Guild Wars 2

Player Character.9467:

wedo.3049:

seems that agg follow ark around, ive also noticed since you lost to EP you don’t run anything less than about 35

wedo.3049:

anyways its fun to watch you follow around ark like a lil puppie dog

wedo.3049:

just keep bringing numbers, all wvw is a numbers game

“Agg why you stick too close to another 25 man group? Now we can’t 80v30 you.”

How does 25 Ark + 35 Agg = 30 people? Or were you trying to say Mag is the 80 side?

No wonder there’s so much kittening about numbers, you guys can’t count for kitten.

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Pinko.2076:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Lenador.1436:

Pinko.2076:

Lenador.1436:

Evalana.5480:

::sarcasm below::

Heey guys! Let’s make a post every time we wipe Agg! 1… 2….. …. …… 3?

Hey! Here’s a better idea! Let’s make a post every time they wipe us!

1001, 1002, 1030…….

Pipe down and play the game.

I didnt mention wiping Agg and i was there, do i get a medal?
look at that AGG PYRO and Ark zerg, beast roaming in their natural habitat of zerg balls

I’ll say it again, but don’t run 50-60 and be surprised when 1 guild calls out your location to get assist from another guild. We all want good fights, but you’re kinda asking for it wandering in those sizes.

Dont deny we didnt have any numbers. if not close to even…they were all dead when i took screens Q.Q

The dead know only one thing… it is better to be alive.

It’s better to have fun and get challenging fights. If you think not dying is better than having fun engagements, then I don’t even know why you play.

FISH ON!! Sorry bud but you totally missed the mark. That’s a movie quote intended to be humorous. I play for so many reasons it would boggle your mind.

Did your parents have any children that lived?

Well, I bet they regret that.

Mister Mustard.7203:

Jinks.2057:

Thread started to suck but now picking up steam!!

Number 1 Thread NA

Xirin.8593:

Aeros.2046:

I’ve actually been saying that it would be better for people to transfer down rather then up. That way we get more variety of fights. Alas, front loading seems to be here to stay.

But then how will people achieve such great accomplishments such as this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/50-Tier-1-WvW-wins/first#post2692329

I stand corrected.

No. 2 Thread NA; still doing good work.

Jinks.2057:

Thread started to suck but now picking up steam!!

Number 1 Thread NA

Evalana.5480:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Evalana.5480:

Wow…. EAT is so kitteny for a conglomeration guild comprised of 2 large guilds that form up a megaguild that they raid with 2 nights a week, because every other night of the week when they run ‘by themselves’ (who am I kidding, you NEVER see them rolling alone!) To roll the bl and compensate for their individual beatdowns…

No trolling, just calling it how I see it (from being on both sides)…

Borlis! We are doing it rong! We must form VOLTRON in order to beat these gaiz!! And then when we do, we must brag INCESSANTLY about doing so!

[EA] and [TG] aren’t large anymore lol. Lucky if we can pull 15 ppl respectively into WvW hence why [EAT] only fields ~25.

You have to find ways to adjust to the bigger servers where you can – not the other way around. We prepare for our matchups against the bigger servers, just because a smaller server is thrown into the mix for 1 week doesn’t mean we stop what we’re doing. We don’t expect it from the bigger servers when we get thrown in with them.

We are hardly Voltron, maybe just the legs. DB’s actual Voltron is only activated when we fight the bigger servers.

Ansorin, you are one of my favorite people on DB, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. That being said, perspective is everything, and until you have been on both sides of the coin you only see what you know. I like to think that xferring around has humbled me a bit. You will never see me bragging and chest thumping about wiping anyone anymore. I have wiped guilds WITH dragonbrand, and I have wiped dragonbrand guilds I have gone against. The amount of disrespect shown from the braggards in the ‘EAT conglomeration’ is absurd and I look forward to watching someone knock the collective down a peg or two. Yay, you wiped Agg. So have we! But we have also been bashed in the face by them countless times as well. No need tto get kitteny about it.

Is it just me, or are we getting really riled up over some trolling?

Can’t we all just talk kitten to each other in peace?

Evalana.5480:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Borlis Pass meet [EAT] , [EAT] meet Borlis Pass…

We hungry and want some Borlis Bags! Allow us to introduce ourselves!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZtBmLBXZc

Don’t worry, this match-up will get it’s own equally awesome highlight reel of it’s own. Come one, come all!

EA/TG forming Voltron to beat up on an underdog server? That’s cute. I am impressed? I think?

We also punch babies in our free time.

Reiko.1560:

Rank 8 server within 15k of rank 5 server… somebody didn’t show up this week.

So when we’re rank 6 and 7 next week, it will be okay then?

I’m actually quite okay with Rampage & Tornado. They fit well with what I try to do much of the time, which is make opponents prone so my buddies can beat their face in.

I prefer to get Tornado in group situations and Rampage in solo, but I work with both.

I just need Elixir X to be instant cast, then I’m happy as can be.

Waffler.1257:

Mister Mustard.7203:

if you were to graph the skill level of individual players on each server, they would all follow a normal distribution…

Here we go… Better run some two-tailed t-tests on server skill Dr. Bell Curve! Make sure to use a 0.01 alpha.

Word.

JakobGW.5730:

Mister Mustard.7203:

You did forget to QQ about nightcapping though, that’s number 1 in the Official Dragonbrand Guidebook! For future reference, #2 is we only zerg, #3 is we’re all numbers, no talent; good job hitting those. 2 out of 3, Meatloaf would be proud.

Well, I just can’t imagine why your server keeps hearing the same criticisms over and over, as you’ve attempted to sarcastically point out in your post.

Maybe if you’re continuously told the same thing, perhaps there’s some truth to it?

Perhaps there is.

In all seriousness though, I think there’s some psychology going on when it’s said. The comments are almost strictly from T3 and lower servers, which we outmatch from a numbers and coverage perspective. When we fight the T1-T2 servers, the conversations are quite different.

It’s really just a natural inclination when you’ve seen nothing but a sea of red names for the past week, especially compared to what you’re used to seeing. I’m not pretending that anyone really cares about the score, I’m just saying a week of being very out-populated can be draining.

One final note: Most likely, if you were to graph the skill level of individual players on each server, they would all follow a normal distribution and look like a bell curve. If a server has more people relative to another, they have more of all of those types of people: good, mediocre, and bad. It’s statistically improbable (not impossible) for certain servers to have a deeper talent pool than another. Much more likely is a streak where you run across an abnormally large amount of good, mediocre, or bad players compared to the normal distribution.

Of course, I could just be talking out of my kitten here.

JakobGW.5730:

Darko.5873:

But I have to say, DB and SoS, you are some classy folk. Not a single /laugh or /dance or anything like that.

Are we even in the same matchup?

Here’s a quick video of just two hours this morning that I made of your typical Dragonbrand players. This is what I had to deal with all week long when I struck gold and actually found a Dragonbrand player or two not zerging. Emotes like /laughing when they couldn’t walk the talk or had numbers advantage, running to guards or behind doors, doing anything to avoid any actual conflict instead of karma grinding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBsuOFojb4A

Trust me, this is just par for the course for this server. I, for one, hope we don’t have to face them again anytime soon.

Oh I almost missed it.

I was wondering when the token Friday Afternoon Everyone-On-Dragonbrand-Sucks post was going to happen. Thanks for not letting us down!

You did forget to QQ about nightcapping though, that’s number 1 in the Official Dragonbrand Guidebook! For future reference, #2 is we only zerg, #3 is we’re all numbers, no talent; good job hitting those. 2 out of 3, Meatloaf would be proud.

Aphs.9528:

A big thank you from SOS to CD for coming out and giving us fun fights and not hiding behind the walls with ACs and are only willing to fight when their opposition are outmanned like 2 to 1 like that full server Dragonbrand does .

Your words say one thing. Your picture says another.

I see one “Dragonbrand Bronze Recruit [NS]” fending off an obvious double team from multiple groups from both servers. Apparently he was too much for the 12 SoS in the picture, and already had one player downed, so CD had to sneak up behind in an attempt to ambush him.

He probably lived through all of it, hence you came here to discredit us in a thinly veiled attempt to hide your own shame. Not on my watch, buddy. Not on my watch.

I would like to see two simple quality of life improvements:

1.) The ability to have the “call target” icon be a color different than red. Whether permanently a different color, or a user controlled option, either would work. The fact that enemy names are red causes this icon to needlessly blend when a large number of enemies are around, particularly in WvW. If the point of it is to call attention to a particular target, does it not make sense for it to stand out as much as possible?

2.) Similarly, can we introduce a color toggle for the Commander Icons?

Neither change I see as absolutely necessary, but both could be very useful and nice options. Would there be some hidden reason why either change couldn’t or shouldn’t happen? Would it be abnormally difficult to code (I can hardly imagine it would be)? Would it eat unnecessary bandwidth? Etc.?

When I played my mesmer, I routinely stole stability from from the various elites. There’s not much of a reason for it to be treated any different than any other boon.

Engi does well in a support role, as others have said. I enjoy playing EG and using the water fields from HT, and I know I provide some utility to my group. But, I do realize I could probably just be a Guardian and do that a lot better and more efficiently.

Does it not strike anyone else as slightly odd that all 3 of the Medium Armor classes are the 3 worst ZvZ combatants?

I feel that the Mediums were probably supposed to bring damage to the large fights. But with how things are, the damage kinda takes care of itself when your side can keep stability and heals up, and keep the other side from doing the same. Since the Mediums aren’t as good as the Heavies and Lights in those roles, I think they fall behind.

Truearrow.3527:

Keep flapping your yaps about Mag, have your fun we really do not care Mag, is the most stable community in GW2/NA we all enjoy playing together, have never and will never have a server-wide wvw meltdown because “guild x” that we relied on transferred out to the latest bandwagon server. We’ll see you in a few weeks when the meltdown occurs, just as it happened with Kaineng, Crystal Desert, SoS,,, kitten it I’m not listing ALL of the servers, I’ll be here all day.

Isn’t PYRO leaving Mag?

Achilles.2197:

Lenador.1436:

PoweredByRice.3517:

DB….. why so many TROLL? I guess if you can’t win, might as well troll in the forum.
I miss the TC/FA/TC thread from last week.

<.<Forums are boring without troll and needed a for a stable and entertaining match-up week long thread life. Q.Q i cry every time servers pat each other on the back over and over…but i do agree TC forums warriors doubles they’re respective oppenents numbers in forums like you stated.

are you drunk again still lol

Fixed that for you.

PoweredByRice.3517:

DB….. why so many TROLL? I guess if you can’t win, might as well troll in the forum.
I miss the TC/FA/TC thread from last week.

I’m offended you’re implying we only troll when losing.

We troll regardless of score, thank you very much.

Kalan.9705:

Every elixir that has a random chance to provide swiftness, including toss skills, should automatically provide swiftness every time, and the random chances should be between good buffs like protection, aegis, vigour etc.

This is what I’ve always wished for.

I imagine they’d consider it slightly OP though for H and toss B to give two boons every use. But maybe not.

lettucemode.3789:

Mister Mustard.7203:

I had just came across this same idea after realizing my current runes were terrible (a hodgepodge of the cheapest-thing-I-could-find).

So, I logged in to check and Pack runes are ~1g10s atm, which was considerably more than I was hoping for =\

I blame this thread for a sudden increase in demand.

Plot twist: I bought out the entire supply below 1.1g before posting this thread! Bwahaha!

Curses!

I had just came across this same idea after realizing my current runes were terrible (a hodgepodge of the cheapest-thing-I-could-find).

So, I logged in to check and Pack runes are ~1g10s atm, which was considerably more than I was hoping for =\

I blame this thread for a sudden increase in demand.

Zikory.6871:

covenn.7165:

Punny.9210:

well with this new match up system.

SoR will be kicked out of T1 this week and JQ will be back to T1.

so there may be some guilds moving again . . .

There are no longer any tiers. I think this should be readily apparent by the fact that the 5th ranked server is in a match-up against #1 and #2….

I use the term t1 is two ways first representing the servers is the top 3 spots (SoR/BG/JQ) I consider them “tier 1” servers based off the older tier system. Also I would use “tier” to describe what group the server is in. For example JQ is in the tier 2 match, Thats not necessarily calling them a Tier 2 server. People are just referring to the groups of servers by tiers. So they technically aren’t wrong, it just not the same as it was before the RNG match making.

There are actually still tiers in the matchups.

“https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvw”

If you look on the far right column, it states which “tier” your server is currently fighting in. This matchup is, in fact, the Tier 1 matchup (albeit with a T2 server involved).

celeron.3469:

LetoII.3782:

There is no such thing as an EST guild or server, such a claim flies in the face of the law of averages.
7est is the beginning of NA time for us working stiffs. Get out of work at 5, drive home, make/eat dinner, make house somewhat presentable… 7 ‘Oclock.
TW starts formation time later than this, since our pacific guys and midwesterners like me also need to settle in for the evening. But it’s no different from any other guild in the game. If there IS a difference, it’s what people do before and after primetime..

Presuming the challenges inherent in living on a globe isn’t universal is silly.

You keep talking about the law of averages as if it helps your argument. Try looking up population density. If the US was perfectly spread apart in population, maybe the law of averages would mean something here. Also I figured you weren’t from the east coast, because nobody from the east coast would ever make such a statement. Especially when they have friends on the west coast. When I go to bed is when my friends log on, but yeah… sure, there’s no difference.

“If there IS a difference, it’s what people do before and after primetime.. "
…and then you say there is. Funny how that works. A guild that identifies itself as EST/EDT can start much earlier than a guild with a more universal US start time. Who woulda thunk it.

Again, you should really break down your server and figure out why this is even a conversation. Even with just your BRs you gain a huge advantage in EST/EDT, not even counting whichever guilds can start at 6-7pm. Try talking to TSym, I know you didn’t.

There is no such thing as the law of averages.

Hi, I’m on DB and I’ve roamed solo quite a bit this week.

I even saw both Yak’s and some Mag’s run away from me in 1v1 and even 2v1 situations.

Saw more than a few run or try to kite me back toward zergs.

Saw almost every one I fought near a tower at least attempt to run into said tower when their health got low.

Somehow, I’ve managed to not project this behavior to the entirety of both servers. Somehow, I’ve also managed to not even project this behavior as necessarily awful. It’s just people trying to not die in a video game; I guess I don’t necessarily want or need folks to just stand there while I shoot them to keep my ego happy.

Evolut.2398:

JaNordy.6149:

Shatterstorm and Calven is right though. You mags are afraid of fights and bad at WvW your server will never be t1. Gulds that run from t1 fights get a big thumbs downyy. All trash lotsa mag use trash bags. LoL thats what we call you on other servers, trash bags cause you guys are trash and drop bags! Magbagma is so blind that their keep in EB was getting stormed by elite DB special forces, fainting a attack on inner water gate. Only they went Cod of Duty Black Carps and hit other side inner gate with 2 stealth rams hahaha mag all was defending a inner door still up near full health when one behind was wide open. DB stormed in stomping magbag in the back, mag players never even turned around lol!!! Its funni too cause mag was all sitting inside their keep refusing to fight on arrow carts. They know they got no honor to meat on field of battle. They then build a ballista outside their own spawn. Draps guild was in EB at that time running around in circles at SM doing nothing. I heard they ran to top level of SM when they didnt even own it, what nubs the cap circle isnt even up there.

Trippin mang,

JaNordy – One of 6 Shadow Stealth Swords of Death aka CAWP

We have people at the pentagon working 24/7 to figure out what you just said.

I think he said something about elite DB special forces fainting. And then something about interbreeding Cod and Carp (not sure why you’d want to), and it not being honorable to eat meat in a field.

JaNordy.6149:

Trippin mang,

Timothy Leary may have more answers than the Pentagon.

zastari.1730:

Congrats DB on another excellent night of PvD. Pretty sad that you can’t beat TC with that.

I know, it’s hard to believe that TC has even better coverage than we do.

And they spend less time complaining and more time fighting than some of the other servers we see.

saiyr.3071:

Calvin.5380:

Deny all you will, fact remains that large mag guilds stop doing WvW when they’re losing. The PPT tells the story… Yak’s are doing an admirable job, and may even overtake Mags.

I feel for people on that server, and a handful of good guilds that still keep fighting despite the odds. I wonder how they put up with fairweather guilds such as DORP and PYRO.

Losing your homeland keeps even though no large mag guilds are playing must be pretty embarrassing!

We’re at that point in our relationship where nothing is embarrassing any more.

Arale.4207:

Lenador.1436:

Arale.4207:

Gellor.6497:

Asudementio.8526:

EnRohbi.2187:

I always seem to forget how obnoxious TC’s forum presence gets when they’re winning handily.

It’s not a good trait.

Well if you have forgotten TC’s be sure to remember DB’s obnoxious forum presence when they were winning handily.

Find it funny that people forget the TC forum warriors came to us saying we wouldn’t win T2 cause we were trash…. Same individuals whined on the forums that our forum warriors were being mean. Big wheel of garbage if you ask me but whatever

However, the mayo comment was dumb that we all can agree on

I still remember. Though, if I had to say who did PvF more, it was definitely DB. I remember a slew of [RE]/[CO] and a few [EA] members talking tons of crap when we were down, too. Well, until that morning we stomped the scoreboard. But before that it was nothing but ’’it’s been fun here gais but T1 looks nice" and “free bags on our way to T1” along with “enjoy another loss this week”. Still, our two weeks of being stomped was well deserved, because of the morons who went into your other matchup thread and talked.

Basically, both servers have keyboard cowboys, and while one of us is winning, the other is sulking, and vice versa. Same goes for population. When we win, they come out, when we are losing, they aren’t anywhere to be seen. :/

I do believe our servers have a fair bit of the same problems.

I want names and address of all those [EA], they will rue the day they spew such slander on these here forums

One I remember off the bat was Lani. A few posts here and there were pretty bad. But I feel that was because of the smack talkers who came into the prior match thread, as well. A few dweebos on our server weren’t helping either. I don’t always see eye to eye with her, but yeah. Most of my example phrases were from RE and CO.

Even I sometimes get annoyed at those posts that go like, ’’hey X, your hills is mighty fine in [color]!" and the like.

From what I recall during those weeks, the forum warring was all of 3 people. One guy was being a real kitten , two others were definitely obnoxious. However, the vast majority of DB posts the weeks we were winning were praising the competition and saying how nice the matchup was. Also of minor interest is none of these three have posted in weeks.

I think our label as forum warring kittens is at least skewed by a very small minority, if not revisionist entirely. By now, whatever offensive comments we did make have certainly been repaid in full. I’ll use your comment about hills being a certain color as a perfect example … Lani says something to that effect once, so in the ensuing weeks we get almost daily screenshots and comments of TC holding our Garrison.

Everyone does it, but for some reason comments made months ago by only a couple people on DB seem to have really stuck in people’s heads.

Jinks.2057:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Slomoshun.6317:

Handin.4032:

Arale.4207:

Excalibur.9748:

How would TC do if it matches up with SoR again? Do you think we could win this time?

No. A lot of TCers who come out in lopsided matchups are fairweathers. Once we start fighting a tougher, better enemy, they will stop showing up. It really depends how many people will stick around after the reset weekend honestly. We should be more competitive next time, but we wont win unless we have more hardcore WvWers who don’t quit when the tough gets going.

Anyone who remembers reset saturday/sunday that weekend knows what I mean. We didn’t have nearly as many queues, and in a lot of maps, we were outmanned. Comparing that to when we had a few maps queued, and a good force on each map save maybe one, and it’s pretty clear what’s going on.

I don’t think that would be as much of an issue if it was a real “T1” kind of fight. So, a fight like TCvSoRvBG(or JQ). When we faced SoR, we had a 3rd server that, because of a massive population difference, just couldn’t be nearly as active against either TC or SoR. This led SoR to focus a lot on us with very little distractions only because we had the popuation. If there was a 3rd server with a more equal population, then I think the match up would be very fun actually! I would love to have a SoRvBG/JQvTC match!

So you guys didn’t like when the server that had more people and more coverage focused on the second place server over the even less populated 3rd place server.

Hmm..where have I seen this scenario before…

- the only way you get better is to fight better competition.

Here’s the thing. TC isn’t better competition……just more ppl.

Ebay is more skilled on average than TC. <—- Fact

If I put “fact” after I say something, it must be true. <——Fact

JudgeD.5673:

This is what it was like down in the south part of EB BL. Good fights, especially from EB. They fight like cornered tigers. :P

That was quite a zerg standing behind you, but yes, it was entertaining. I was hoping [Rekz] would pull it out against your zerg, but that was a tall task indeed. Well, and I was hoping the combined [TG] + [EA] group would do the same, but we fared no better.

Amins.3710:

Would you like me to post the video of us “Huddled” in the corner?

In fact, I could post the hour of us sniping both TC and DB’s 50+ zerg tail and even withstanding both your zergs w/ our measly little 12-15 for a considerable amount of time….

You make the mistake of thinking you can roll over us w/ less than 20 and you’ll find what being shamed really means.

We snuck into the lords room and took out 20 people while both TC and DB zerg’s had it out… and that was just w/ our small group.

We were not “hiding”, in any fashion, but if that’s what your ego needs to tell itself… by all means… we’re “hiding” from your most epic and mad zerg’n skillz….

Amins [GF] – Guardian.

I wasn’t questioning your abilities, you are all quite talented I’m sure. I was simply saying I thought camping our stragglers & rezzers to help out TC (intentionally or not) was lame, and when I saw you all stacked up in the corner, I was happy to see karma dispensed.

Eviator.9746:

I personally believe DB’s normal WvW population doesn’t stand a chance against TC’s normal WvW population. Since our last matchup, when DB was defeated easily, DB lost Agg, while TC has gained RE, some others I don’t remember, and now WvW (where are the vocal Wagonbrand TCers today?). Congrats to TC. Hope you give JQ a run for its money. Nothing against JQ, just the T1 servers are all aching for some matchup variety.

Who is WvW? Where did they come from? How many? What is their primary time-slot? Just trying to figure out when the best roaming times are going to be when facing TC.

TC can definitely put some bodies on the field. [RE] appears to be quite the find; I’ve seen an exceptional amount of that tag the past two days, but that could just be happenstance.

Also, after watching [GF] from EB sit there and pick off stragglers reinforcing Bay in DBBL while you waited for [RE] to do the dirty work, I was very excited to see you all huddle in the corner of Lord’s and get your kitten handed to you.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Nice snag on DB Garrison Mag!

I missed that part, but I was in DBBL a bit tonight, and Mag (led by [PYRO]) made us look quite silly the entire time. You guys were a train of “omfg I died again” tonight, so I’m not surprised one bit you ended up with our garrison.

gidorah.4960:

Eviator.9746:

gidorah.4960:

i mostly just can’t understand how your server defends itself from accusations of bandwaggoning by posting proof you got the transfers while still winning t3. at the same time complainging about all the fairweathers on your server if you cant see the obvious its because you are willfully ignorant

I think you’re missing something important here. Most of us don’t care anymore. We got those transfers 5 to 6 weeks ago and it’s been DragonWagon this, Wagonbrand that in the forums since then. Most of us don’t even care to defend it anymore because the guilds that transfered are here; they fight with the rest of DB because they are DB. Get over it man. DB is what it is, and if it’s too much for you to handle, there’s still PvE.

maybe you should have people on your server stop complaining about all your fairweathers. you recruited well when you where winning and the same people stopped showing up when you stopped winning. its happened like that on every other bandwagon server and it is happening to db. i’m not knocking the transfers just pointing out you arent special and the answer to why you have so many fairweathers is blindigly obvious. the refusal to accept it and still complain isnt going to change that when you recruit heavily to a winning server you arent going to recruit the kind of people who stick around when you lose.

How many fairweathers have we lost, Gidorah?

If you’d like, I can probably pull up posts from every server in the game saying their fairweathers have not shown during blowouts. Or, when they’re winning big, how many fairweathers are out and about.

You just said yourself that we’re not special. But you sure seem to think we are! We make that same comment, and you feel the need to attack it like we ate your children.

The people that transferred over have been out and about since they transferred. They’ve been an active, integral part of the community. So have the guilds that have always been here. Do some casuals not play as much when we’re getting demolished? Absolutely. But I guarantee yours don’t either.

All I’m trying to say is we’re no different than anyone else. We’ve got some die-hards, we’ve got some fair-weathers, we’ve got some new, we’ve got some old. You can continue to drum up bullkitten all week if you wish. But I know I’m getting pretty bored with people talking about stuff they really know nothing about.

ronpierce.2760:

In sPvP minions are also: meat shields absorbing blows by being in the way, siphon hp, provide pressure, and constant utilities sich as Bone fiend/Fleshy snare, and the minions healing. Mm would be ruined without these.

You’re absolutely right about all of that, and I certainly wouldn’t want to see any of those benefits removed.

I just think it would be fine if you had to actively make them happen, and thus they happened reliably and under your control.

ronpierce.2760:

Mister Mustard.7203:

This game has had rather terrible implementation with pet-type abilities across the board.

Ranger pets, Necro minions, even Engineer turrets are all lackluster.

The Mesmer clones and phants are very slightly in better place, because they’re what I think all AI-reliant abilities should be – short cool down, short duration, easily killed & replaced effects.

I’d like to see Minions work more like signets, except when you activate your signet, you get a minion that does something for a couple of seconds before it dies or dissipates.

The overall game design just doesn’t seem to work well with constant pets.

God please no. I main an MM sPVP mm, if they lost no duration minions And it became a shoddy skill that just happened slowly (after a summon animation then the minion locking on) I’d be LIVID, enough to quit.

Mm needs help not a redesign. The bed thing about ANets Necromancers is that they command a horde of dead things not summon 5 second minions that waste 50% of its time trying to come to life and run to the enemy.

But that’s exactly what they do now! They just stand there!

I didn’t spell out every nuance of what I’d like to see because 1.) it ain’t ever going to happen and 2.) I don’t have the time. But that’s actually one of the main points; I think it would be easier to get small, specific events and effects correct and bug free, rather than constant pets that follow you around all day.

Pets are nice and all, but if you can’t fix them after 9 months, I’ll just take what’s easy and works well.

Furiousbeard.7602:

pixieish.9627:

zastari.1730:

Every time someone mentions killing something with larger numbers in DB it includes [Agg] somewhere. So what I’m basically hearing is one guild xferred in and gets kitten done and the rest of you ride on their coattails and/or turn over and die when they aren’t around. Am I missing anything?

You’re supposed to call Agg a bunch of bandwagoners. And then talk about how your guild 10 manned one of their 40 mans. Oh, and don’t forget the backhanded compliments. You need more of those.

Let me try my hand at this…

Ahem..

“Great fights today Agg! Your movements and reactions on the field are lightning quick. Just like when you bandwagon move to winning servers. Must be nice riding the coat tails of NNK non-stop.

Whenever I’m roaming and meet a DB player, he will do one of the following. 1. Die instantly 2. /cry then die instantly 3. Run to the nearest tower and hide behind an arrow cart 4. Join party with me so he can d[e]rp off 5. Alt F4 and un-install

The best part is when I run into your balls of fail and my 8 man guild incinerates over 40 of your top guilds players. I’m starting to wonder if you’re mostly made up of keyboard turning, skill clicking seniors. Maybe if you old diaper fillers spent more time in the garden instead of wvw, other servers would have a chance to get some ppt.

Thanks for the great match!"

Replace DB and guild names. Rinse and repeat in every match up thread.

Well done!

zastari.1730:

Every time someone mentions killing something with larger numbers in DB it includes [Agg] somewhere. So what I’m basically hearing is one guild xferred in and gets kitten done and the rest of you ride on their coattails and/or turn over and die when they aren’t around. Am I missing anything?

Awww man. I’ve been hanging on to [NNK] & [TFV] coattails this whole time! Why didn’t anyone tell me we switched to [Agg], I’m so confused now =\

I guess that’s what happens when you don’t play Mag for a week; you lose all sense of what’s happening on DB.

This game has had rather terrible implementation with pet-type abilities across the board.

Ranger pets, Necro minions, even Engineer turrets are all lackluster.

The Mesmer clones and phants are very slightly in better place, because they’re what I think all AI-reliant abilities should be – short cool down, short duration, easily killed & replaced effects.

I’d like to see Minions work more like signets, except when you activate your signet, you get a minion that does something for a couple of seconds before it dies or dissipates.

The overall game design just doesn’t seem to work well with constant pets.

lani.7431:

Alright so the remainder of the posting will go as follows…

Mag and FA complain about DB’s Sea presence and “night capping”

Mag and FA and DB all accuse each other of 2 vs 1.

Mag and FA accuse DB of just being bad and sucky at everything from zerging to roaming.. etc etc.

Mag and FA accuse DB of just mega zerging everyone including chasing one guy clear across the map.

Mag and FA accuse DB of being completely reliant on anyone who transfers.

Some random DB fairweather players start chest thumping on the forums about how great they are.

Did I forget anything?

Now can we move on…

…. didn’t think so.

I think that sums it up pretty well.

gidorah.4960:

Mister Mustard.7203:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

Here you go.

Noodles made the announcement [RE] was coming over on April 19th, which I think we can agree was the beginning of the wave of folks coming to DB. [rB] had already moved over a couple weeks prior, but much more quietly.

If you were to look at the scores from that week, which ended the day after Noodles’ announcement, you would see Kain sliding and DB gaining, close to a 30 point swing. Give or take a few points in the next week, and DB would have replaced Kain in T2, or only been a point or two behind in rating. Transfers or not.

Your revisionist history is unfounded. Do you have any other theories for us?

are you serious;y saying that db started switching places with kain when kain guilds started abandoning ship and moving to db as proof that you got to t2 without transfers. i honestly cant understand how you think.

It’s quite evident you have no chance in understanding how I think.

Yes, the proof is right there in the post I made. If you choose to not be slowed down by silly things like facts, that’s your own issue.

DB received one guild from Kain, [CO]. Who trickled over the first week we were already in Tier 3. When Kain lost a few guilds and subsequently fell some, yes, DB benefited. Because we were the next server up, not because we absorbed half the server like you want to imply.

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

Here you go.

Noodles made the announcement [RE] was coming over on April 19th, which I think we can agree was the beginning of the wave of folks coming to DB. [rB] had already moved over a couple weeks prior, but much more quietly.

If you were to look at the scores from that week, which ended the day after Noodles’ announcement, you would see Kain sliding and DB gaining, close to a 30 point swing. Give or take a few points in the next week, and DB would have replaced Kain in T2, or only been a point or two behind in rating. Transfers or not.

Your revisionist history is unfounded. Do you have any other theories for us?

gidorah.4960:

Eviator.9746:

We learned some new things against JQ and BG last week. Mostly we learned that our server is mostly fairweathers.

i don’t underastand how you can expect anything else with being the new bandwagon server. it has been the case with every other bandwagon server as soon as the easy wins stop the new people don’t show up anymore. why did you think this wasnt the case with db to make this some sort of suprise?

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

Do you have another theory for us?

Sophtspoken.9062:

loquacious.2915:

Sophtspoken sounds like a kitten and makes his server sound like a kitten.

Yea, BG is currently floating between #1 and #2 because they have kittenty tactics. Right…
From server reset to today, your server has just used kittenty tactics and were crushed. It’s ok. Everyone can’t play here. Don’t worry, you’ll get TC or FA next so you can regain some pride.

BG takes it in the kitten as well from SOR many times, but that’s about it. JS is getting stomped as well. You don’t see them kittening now do you? Because they have something you don’t. Pride.

And I know you don’t speak for all of DB. Just the kittenes on DB.

Pride has nothing to do with this I openly criticize DB in eb because they are super unorganized and have no freaking clue how to make a push, DB is in no way T1 ready only real reason we are T2 is because we have a few really good guilds that get things done like today AGG took our third back in eb in like 15min flat. This week wasn’t all bad though all the recapped we had to do helped me power lvl my guard so thanks for that I guess.

The only real reason we’re T2 is because of forum warriors deriding our opponents all the time, and chastising commanders because the forum warrior knows best. But of course, the forum warrior can’t be bothered to buy the commander tag and show everyone how it’s done.

After all, why walk the walk when you can just spout ignorant nonsense on the forums all day.

I wanted to keep my stamina up as much as possible, since avoiding damage is better than healing it. I thought long and hard about FT vs. Elixir R, but in the end I thought the ae blind + knockback / reflect were preferable. I was also torn between Melandru and Dwayna runes, but I went with Melandru since I don’t have a stun break. I’m just unsure really how effective 25% is in practice.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqel0picX3SrF17IxoHdW0bOkiCbYRKyv+B-TsAA1CtIMSZkzIjRSjsGNa48x8DA

Since there are different ways to enjoy WvW, I choose my rankings on how versatile and successful each class is.

Tier 1: Guardian, Mesmer, Elementalist

- All 3 classes excel at small and large group combat. The Mesmer, after the confusion nerf, doesn’t quite pack the same offensive punch in the large group content, but their utility still keeps them very in-demand.

Tier 2: Necro, Engineer, Warrior

- Necro and Warrior both excel at large group combat, and can do well in the smaller groups but usually require a better player to pull them off. Engineer seems to be the true hybrid class; they can do everything, just not as well as the other classes when they focus on their cornerstone role.

Tier 3: Ranger, Thief

- In small group play, both classes do very well, but I think their role in large group is not well established. Evidently, they are supposed to be the executioners, finishing off out-of-position or critical enemies quickly, but it seems that role either isn’t as successful or as necessary as originally thought.

Having said that, I don’t think any class is terrible in WvW. Certain classes lend themselves to being better suited for a particular play style, but that doesn’t mean you can’t be very effective and have fun playing any class.

Sophtspoken.9062:

Probably gona lose posting privleges soon because the mod on here are a bunch of up tight kitten kittens and have to protect the kittenty kids

Can’t happen soon enough.

Sophtspoken.9062:

Just wish the T1s would stop double teaming a T2 I mean really come on, then again even after your double teaming we still managed to grab SM 3 in a few hours time so I guess you have to double team to break a dragon. Took Fa and Tc 3 weeks to figure that out.

Speaking of conspiracies.

I’ve begun to wonder why there’s a guy with 0-5 lifetime posts asking why DB is being double teamed in every match-up thread.

If my eyes are shifty and I’m looking over my shoulder, it’s because I’m looking for the Doubleteam Troll. And government agents.

Fuzzion.2504:

Finally I get to PWN raw.

I love you anet!

I’m super glad for you, especially if you stop trolling every matchup we have from here on out

Jscull.2514:

Aeon no its not. Otherwise more people would run outside of 15-20+. In Daoc our 8 man used to roll 20-60 people in a matter of 1-3 minutes. Why??? ZERO AOE CAP and no crappy rez system. This game has a ridiculous amount of first time mmoers who don’t know crap about fighting human being players in just about every environment.

Please answer why the 5-10 cut off from a Zerg die every single time in this game? And not “they were hit from behind” = pan your friggen camera.

I have to respectfully disagree.

If we’re going to use sweeping generalizations, players are, by definition, average in skill.

The high use of large groups is a function of efficiency. You get more done by sticking with the pack, plain and simple. You survive longer, you cap more targets, you score more points, you get more loot.

Also, as much as the roamers and small scale fighters refuse to admit it, there is a skill involved in being a good large scale fighting team, the same as there is for small scale. It’s just a different skill set. If it were only based off of who presses 1 the hardest, you wouldn’t see certain guilds or commanders win the vast majority of their encounters.