Definitely, ppt does matter to an extent, but only an extremely small one, to Rallians. SoR simply doesn’t want to ever become past rank 1 servers that got too obsessed getting first.
This doesn’t really line up with what I know of SoR, but I’ll take your word for it, since I suppose you could pick and choose certain posts from certain BG individuals and accuse us of having an unhealthy obsession with being first. As a server, Blackgate has been knocked on its kitten more than twice but I really salute the core guilds who show up day in and day out regardless of the score and ranking. These guilds are the reason why we’ve stabilized in T1 and never went on a downward spiral even when we got pushed down into T2. SoR has not experienced this dip yet, but I do believe the community is strong enough to maintain a good server rank for a very long time.
When was the last time SoR dropped a tier……….my guess would be…….9 months ago? Ya that sounds right. Lets see the amount of guilds that have Xfer’d off in the past 9 months……………..1 guild. Yep our community will be fine thanks for the concern merc.
If you would actually read my post, you’ll see that it is respectful of SoR and its community and wishing you the best.
My bad I just assume all BG are forum warriors and take shots at SoR whenever possible.
Quite a lot of us are actually looking to just promote healthy competition and engaging conversations. Stereotyping in that way is what sabotages any possibility for positive dialogue.
Definitely, ppt does matter to an extent, but only an extremely small one, to Rallians. SoR simply doesn’t want to ever become past rank 1 servers that got too obsessed getting first.
This doesn’t really line up with what I know of SoR, but I’ll take your word for it, since I suppose you could pick and choose certain posts from certain BG individuals and accuse us of having an unhealthy obsession with being first. As a server, Blackgate has been knocked on its kitten more than twice but I really salute the core guilds who show up day in and day out regardless of the score and ranking. These guilds are the reason why we’ve stabilized in T1 and never went on a downward spiral even when we got pushed down into T2. SoR has not experienced this dip yet, but I do believe the community is strong enough to maintain a good server rank for a very long time.
When was the last time SoR dropped a tier……….my guess would be…….9 months ago? Ya that sounds right. Lets see the amount of guilds that have Xfer’d off in the past 9 months……………..1 guild. Yep our community will be fine thanks for the concern merc.
If you would actually read my post, you’ll see that it is respectful of SoR and its community and wishing you the best.
Definitely, ppt does matter to an extent, but only an extremely small one, to Rallians. SoR simply doesn’t want to ever become past rank 1 servers that got too obsessed getting first.
This doesn’t really line up with what I know of SoR, but I’ll take your word for it, since I suppose you could pick and choose certain posts from certain BG individuals and accuse us of having an unhealthy obsession with being first. As a server, Blackgate has been knocked on its kitten more than twice but I really salute the core guilds who show up day in and day out regardless of the score and ranking. These guilds are the reason why we’ve stabilized in T1 and never went on a downward spiral even when we got pushed down into T2. SoR has not experienced this dip yet, but I do believe the community is strong enough to maintain a good server rank for a very long time.
I don’t understand why people are talking about how not caring about the PPT is actually laudable, as if being flippant about the core mechanic of this game mode were the nobler pursuit of WvW. Isn’t this why you fight harder? Isn’t this why balance among the servers actually matters? If your server’s score isn’t up to par, just laugh it off and say you’ll do better next week. To say it doesn’t matter compared to some random pursuit is dishonest and discredits the entire community.
Call BG stacked all you want. But full server status has nothing to do with it. You should be happy, now we can’t “buy” more guilds lol.
Let’s assume that 10% of population playing WvW, and set population planks at Very High = 25000+, Full = 35000+ (we got 3kk GW2 sold and anet set server status by number accounts per server, not by online). So it’s 2500 vs 3500 already. If server winning, ppl come to WvW even more, everyone want some loot/achievements etc. So 5%, 2500 vs 5250, hello 400 ppt, hello full map blobs vs outmanned.
You do understand that’s nowhere near the way it works right? WvW participation isn’t in any way proportional to the server population, so right from there, your math is off.
By your same logic, TC should have been buried under JQ because of the significant lead JQ held. But no, they rallied and may yet snatch victory away from JQ.
Now, now. It is perfectly possible that scheduling intermittent training sessions didn’t cross their minds. Maybe with so many hours sunk into intense training we should expect amazing results next week.
SOR ticking at 80ppt during NA prime time. What happened to playing for the fights?
Playing for fights and playing the PPT game is not the same thing.
Also SoR is “hiding its strength” and playing badly on purpose so we can recruit more guilds to compete with BG, as this is recognised as the most effective method for mass recruiting on SoR.
Xaoc, russian guild is on our way. They should all transfer by friday. Pitty it’s only half of their force which is 300 members
Is this the part where everyone freaks out and creates a rampage in response to your post? Because this is already something that people have tried to do recently. Troll moar.
Yeah, allthough [IRON] (also) in trolling go for quantity over quality i’d give this a 5/10. They should improve soon now Fact’s .gif ban has lifted.
Aaanyway, a stomped SoR is in pain now. Be good to see if the fairweather players that have not shown up this week, will come back next week or they got too demoralized by this week complete humiliation.
Yes so demoralized maybe if you came out of the towers once in a while for a decent proper fight more people would be out doing what we are meant to this week -_-
Its been confirmed by Anet that if BG players try fighting without the aid of arrowcart fire the server crashes for them.
Post of the day. Something on this thread that actually made me laugh.
Because the pot called the kettle an Arrow Cart abuser?
Well i would not expect any less from the SOR forum trolls in here. You call BGs server crap and our guilds crap, and make EVERY excuse in the book….. I only have 1 thing to say to all your comments about BG and coverage and 2v1 and everything you spew forth from your mouths……
You are LOSING by 46 THOUSAND points right now…….. there is nothing else to say, no witty comeback, no snide remark that will get you those points back, no excuse you can use will get you the lead either! If you want to win then come take it from us. Until then you are nothing to us but 2nd place. So use all the excuses you want but as of right now BG is WAXING the floor with you.
/commence the SOR excuses and whining now.
Well to be fair, we have a clearer idea of just how much JQ influenced the match scores. Once the foot was off our neck, we get to really see how tough Blackgate became from the constant pressure week in and week out.
But I don’t believe we’re seeing a completely accurate picture here. SoR’s oceanic and SEA is kitten for some reason leading to the massive point gaps for very long hours. It’s so far off from the neck-a-neck match we just had last week (with a lead that only extended once the match was practically over) that I’m seeing it as more of a fluke until it proves to be a consistent, demonstrated dominance. We have proven that Blackgate is worthy of respect; let’s not cheat ourselves of that by our conduct.
To the others who responded to this post: there have been a number of attacks, personal and server-wide, and vicious, that have been leveled at Blackgate, so you’ll have to excuse the people who feel vindictive.
same could be said to thos who send messages harassing ppl. Everyone does wut they think is best for themselves and there friends/guild mates, harassing them for this is Sad.
They don’t harass them for leaving. It’s they way they left and they way they treated the community. And calling them toxic in that thread doesn’t make it really better.
You can go where ever you want as a guild, but blaming everyone else and taking that for a reason is disgusting
What did they expect to happen? JQ goes “hooray” for WARD/Aco leaving to the strongest NA in T1 without telling anyone?
That “toxic community” supported their pin and group in the bl on that thursday when everyone already knew they will leave.
good luck on SoR with best regards from that toxic community.
Last week I was in SoR and many people already knew about these 2 guilds jumping from JQ to SoR. As I knew it and JQ cant be any longer a threat to BG nor SoR I just went back to BG.
XD
JQ is still a force to be reckoned with. They’re dominating their match, and still can decide whether SoR or BG takes the crown in a classic BG-JQ-SoR brawl.
BG destroyed both servers when there was a lower tier server in the mix, but to show true superiority BG needs to become a King maker. BG needs to choose who becomes second place. Then they will truly put JQ and SOR in their place.
Dominating NA prime time on a NA server is what is actually required. Until that happens…… /shrug
We’re sorry they didn’t make servers for all the other timezones.
BG certainly has the best numbers and coverage in this match-up.
But the score(BG up about 40k at this point) leaves out certain specific details.
DB over the weekend spent a vast amount of our limited off-hour numbers holding SoR bl’s bay keep for several days. Add in the tower and nearby supply camps and dolyaks, and that sapped between 10-15k points from SoR(Assuming SoR had taken and held it generally from reset night onwards).
Second, the bugged SE tower in BG bl along with dolyak deliveries there gives up to 2700 points a day.
Taken together, these two factors would peel roughly 20k off BG’s current lead if neither had occurred.
So while BG would still be in the lead, it would not be quite so far in the lead.
Everything has to be held by someone. If you were devoting your limited off-hour resources in SoR BL, then SoR could shift BLs. And if someone says they couldn’t because of BG, then that would mean their numbers weren’t up to par this week.
SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.
That factors in JQ and Waha. If we want to compare just BG and SoR to each other this is the best matchup to do so, because DB isn’t as “intrusive” as JQ was.
So are you saying JQ interferes more with BG than SOR?
I’m saying that if we want to compare just BG/SoR, then we should look at a matchup where it’s really just a 1v1, thus meaning that this is the best matchup. If we were looking to the BG/SoR/JQ matchup we would have to factor in JQ, but since I just want to compare BG/SoR, this is the best data.
What about all your guilds that for one reason or another are sitting this one out? What about our increased participation due to winner’s momentum?
There’s no “best time” to sample data. Take the whole of it and read the patterns. SoR has SEA, formidable forces, that are simply MIA.
SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.
That factors in JQ and Waha. If we want to compare just BG and SoR to each other this is the best matchup to do so, because DB isn’t as “intrusive” as JQ was.
So are you saying JQ interferes more with BG than SOR?
I don’t quite understand why people are getting too numbers-focused. One server will have higher ticks over the other two and guess what? That server will win. You can’t expect to balance things like an accounting sheet. Furthermore, comparing timezones straight out is comparing apples to hyenas. It’s why EU stacking is more feared than NA stacking.
SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.
People are still failing to realize that WvW is ebb and flow. It’s supposed to be volatile, with the winning server changing every so often. What happens when SoRs SEA comes back in full strength? Will Blackgate still be as dominant? What if next week JQ comes back into our party and decides to play kingmaker?
I despise TW style gloating, but you have to forgive BG this one time. They were specifically called out before your all-call* this morning, as being bad. It’s all in reaction to this and I’m sure some of you understand, given how competitive you are.
*yes, that was an all-call for FEAR. The post in question specifically says it is mandatory if you’re online.
Yes, you’ll have to excuse if some of us are a little too enthusiastic in rubbing this in, but you’re talking about a blatant insult of an entire timezone. Granted it was in your own guild’s page, but I personally have not seen anything as disrespectful come out from our leaders’ mouths even in our private forums. Perhaps this should serve as a lesson to be a little more discreet of what we say, and the way we say it?
Heaven knows these matchup threads could do with a lot more mutual respect. People have become so touchy that even posts that aren’t meant to troll are taken as such. It totally distorts what could be constructive and engaging conversations cross-server. At the end of the day, don’t we all want a healthy, growing WvW environment?
I’ve always wondered how we’d compare to certain NA guilds on SoR and tonight you guys gave us the chance, thanks for the fights.
Fighting those guilds during your hours is a horrible representation of how the guilds compare. Fighting 5-10 members of each of those guilds about 6-8 hours before their prime is in no way a good representation of a guild, this would be like me saying “I fought 5-10 Merc during NA tonight, really shows how they compare to my guild”.
Certain guilds had much more online than 5-10. And for the record, towards the end of SEA prime into EU when we were defending Bay, MERC just had 10-15 online.
I have to say, after reviewing the compression from the bay fight, FEAR and TW went down a notch in my view of them. Bad form on those players from those guilds using ACs and having them shooting in places where they ought not to be able to.
yes, the 10 TW we have online right now changed the outcome of that fight completly.
Don’t you guys field just like 15-20? A lot of posts from other TW members say so. If that’s the case, then 10 is at least half your full force, right?
Or are you saying you have more players than that? This is a serious question, by the way.
It’d actually be embarrassing if you lose anything in a 1v1 when it’s upgraded and sieged up properly.
That’s why we aren’t embarrassed. Our ACs vanished mysteriously, but red circles were reported to be seen where there shouldn’t have been…oh and it was a T2 keep.
When we tick low, people were calling the coroners to put a toe tag on our ‘dead’ server. Now that we’re finally getting into the meta and playing to win, people whine that we don’t take to the field all the time like we used to.
I guess since we can’t please anyone, we’ll just have fun, oppa Blackgate style! hat tip to our awesome Korean guilds
So, uhhh… where exactly did JQ’s [WARD] and [Aco] go? My former guildies are seeing a couple of those tags on SoR, but I don’t want to jump into making any conclusions.
They just transferred to Sanctum of Rall.
Out of curiosity, are you a girl?
Aww, bless your heart.
Seriously, I can’t imagine a guy being this catty. All sorts of people make up the world, I suppose.
So, uhhh… where exactly did JQ’s [WARD] and [Aco] go? My former guildies are seeing a couple of those tags on SoR, but I don’t want to jump into making any conclusions.
lol at the BG defending Waha\ATM, your ppt addiction has no shame.
For the NA folks that never play SEA, just keep the following open at home while you are at work and you can log the full power of BG’s conquest (5 minutes after Waha rolls through).
I guess JQ’s SEA is as misunderstood as BG’s NA is on occasion. It’s really tough to face up to full map zergs, so executive decisions that don’t make sense to a well-watered and solid timezone will be made.
The difference is there are players in Oce/SEA for all three servers. Never mind who has the most or the least: the bodies are out there.
EU, as we have laboriously tried to explain over and over and over, is NOT the same battlefield as Oce/SEA. One guild dropping into any of the 3 servers will make big waves in the timezone. A lot of people have been unhappy with the EU situation, but, if this post is true, is seems one guild or one timezone is completely disgruntled with the imbalance of power and they are intent on ‘fixing’ it.
“This is from a ATM commander: “And those who didn’t get to see my post, right now SEA time only left ATM, FOO (I believe is coming back) and GE as the main forces and we are trying to break SOR’s SEA morale by washing away all their tier 3 keeps if possible and let their kitteny EU forces feel the pinch. We do not know whether it will work or not but we do know we are having so much fun doing that. So bear with us guys, we will continue that until either major WVW guilds joined us or make SOR break up. This is how we did to SOS and hopefully it will work on SOR.”
SOR I look forward to watching you guys crash and burn
So I am confused here, what you are trying to say is that in order to get more guilds to join you, you have to PvDoor more? And that PvDoor is fun?
What he’s saying is that since SoR’s EU seems to enjoy lopsided competition due to overstacking (I’m writing this from the original poster’s perspective), they can expect JQ’s SEA to pay back in kind until something changes: EU guilds join JQ, or SoR collapses enough to make things equal again.
We’ve played against JQ’s SEA a long time and there is a degree of mutual respect, even when we do get focused we rarely complain like SoRs SEA are usually doing on the forums. Let alone PM’ing abuse at commanders on the other side like what has happened about four times this last week from various SoR trolls as well as the consistent emote spamming by HIRE and OCX. Stay classy in-game or you will get focused.
The words “ATM/FOO inc” kept me playing this game. True story.
Tark is right: BG has had it’s share of battles with the formidable JQ SEA forces, and I believe it has strengthened our timezone because we chose to respond positively to the challenge they presented. Perhaps if the SoR SEA will choose to look at it from this point of view, they will find the battles, even the losing ones, an invitation to get tough. I keep mentioning that WvW is all ebb and flow..whatever situation you’re facing now is not permanent, so the smartest thing to do is to let situations build you up, rather than tear others down.
A couple of nights ago we tried to get JQ to 2v1 SoR with us in EBG. It actually seemed to be happening a couple of times but every time we took Jerrifers then went to bang on the Keep, the JQ commander hit Durios, 3 different times. Anyhoo, my point is, 2v1s are going to happen, but not all the time, and they tend to be isolated to certain time zones on certain maps and on certain days depending on many factors. As others said earlier, BG dealt with a 2v1 every single night in EBG a couple of weeks ago. The TSYM commanders love to initiate it on EBG when they smell weakness, and many on JQ love to kill BG (SF and SG in particular – still, much love guys), so there it is.
Cry all you want but the fact remains that we’re all going to get 2v1’d at certain times, and it’s best to just try to deal with it as best you can and wait for it to pass. This goes for my team as well.
I cannot speak for the N/A but during SEA/Oceanic there was a coordinated and not spontaneous 2v1 effort from both BG/JQ which would be fair game if we had the numbers for it. In the end it’s beneficial for SoR as you help us with recruitment advertizing. We need to learn, adapt and recruit during those times to make the game more competitive.
Personally, I think this is good for the server because it will sort or assimilate some of the fair weather players which inherently come with the #1 spot and make room for some wvw organized guilds that love a challenge.
Anyhow, I want to thank you JQ and BG for the good fights and the win this week.!
To make the game more competitive? Did you see how close the score was? That is competitive if you ask me. You are typing all this as if your server suffered such a severe loss that it is going to devastate your community. SoR always has numbers besides at late SEA time.
So many SoR players desire a Vizunah level of win. Where you know that you can’t lose because you always outnumber your enemy. This isn’t a hate-filled comment, it is simply me trying to point out that recruiting again just because you barely lost does not make this match up more competitive.
What this match-up needs is a third server with near equal coverage as the other two who can hold their own ground. That is what can make this 3-way match-up more competitive. And yes, JQ has this potential. They are the ones who should recruit. Not SoR.
Please pay attention, I was talking about specific times where there is PvD, when in doubt always check the ppt during all time zones.
They run more than that too. Recruiting is nothing to be ashamed of, so I wonder why SoR has to pull the whole underdog act…especially since they win frequently.
