Guild Wars 2

I would personally like to hear from ANet on the feasibility of individually tracking a player’s significant war efforts in WvW. Jumping puzzles do not count as significant.

Demannu.2805:

ZaDrots guild is recruiting Russian / English and gibberish speaking players

Apply @ zadrots.ru

And yes everything you read @ this forums is true. By the way we are responsible for US government shutdown earlier this year as well.

Typhoon Haiyan in my country.

Russian superweapons.

It all makes sense now….

Deli.1302:

Neuromancer.2148:

First of all, ZDs themselves scoffed at the use of the word “bought”, as they made up their own mind (even to BG’s surprise) and spent their own coin to transfer. If people still choose to believe that money changed hands in a way that benefited ZDs, that is their opinion which has no solid ground to stand on.

“So with that figured out we spoke with community leaders and yes they supported us gold-wise.” – Champion of Khorne of ZDs

Scroll up and you can read it yourself. Straight from the horses mouth too.

Benefit: they didn’t profit from the transfer.

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

Or you can just look at Tarkus’ forum signature.

I do a lot of pushups that’s how I get a warchest.

Luxon.1389:

Neuromancer.2148:

Reslinal.2359:

magikfox.9658:

True irony is moaning to a server that they are ducking the score to get more guilds, when said server takes a break right before the beginning of season one and… lululul

BG never kept it a secret that our main guilds are taking a break that week so they can get fully rested for the season. It’s not BG’s fault when some people don’t believe what we said and use our performance that week as a measure of our strength and decide their strategy in week1….shrug

This. Other servers were being dismissive about our ability to win the league and now that their prophecies haven’t been fulfilled the conspiracies crop up to deride and discredit the effort Blackgate put in to stay competitive. I thought you guys preferred tough fights over empty towers?

Conspiracies start from evidence given. Forget about what JQ did before the start of the season when they got MERC. True or false though, the screenshot of BG arms race is that real or not? From the looks of that it’s no wonder people can assume ZDs was bought right?

First of all, ZDs themselves scoffed at the use of the word “bought”, as they made up their own mind (even to BG’s surprise) and spent their own coin to transfer. If people still choose to believe that money changed hands in a way that benefited ZDs, that is their opinion which has no solid ground to stand on.

Secondly, the arms race was nothing that JQ and SoR didn’t do themselves. We just gave it a catchy name which apparently is also quite intimidating to other servers. Would “fundraiser” have been more benign to your ears? What about bake sale?

Secondly in most people’s mind that look at the bigger picture, it’s safe to assume that BG’s strength will not be the same after the season ends. ZD’s should leave(they said they would earlier when they first made posts about coming over) and your PVE coverage should drop immensely compared to other servers who have shorter and no queues the majority of the time zones.

So given the above, what will the be said IF you guys happen to start going downhill? What type of “excuses” will we see after league ends? I mean why should a league be the main reason you guys come out full force? Why not bring it all the time?

These are a lot of hypotheses being presented as facts. Can’t do much with this except to say that Blackgate has already endured similar low points in the past. Look into our history, see how our leaders and core guilds behaved at these times. I personally tip my hat to their patience and ability to still work harmoniously together.

Reslinal.2359:

magikfox.9658:

True irony is moaning to a server that they are ducking the score to get more guilds, when said server takes a break right before the beginning of season one and… lululul

BG never kept it a secret that our main guilds are taking a break that week so they can get fully rested for the season. It’s not BG’s fault when some people don’t believe what we said and use our performance that week as a measure of our strength and decide their strategy in week1….shrug

This. Other servers were being dismissive about our ability to win the league and now that their prophecies haven’t been fulfilled the conspiracies crop up to deride and discredit the effort Blackgate put in to stay competitive. I thought you guys preferred tough fights over empty towers?

If someone claims that they can play poorly and still win practically by default due to numbers, they are not playing right, therefore not contributing to the overall effort, and are being carried by the rest of their servermates who are actually winning fights and capping objectives.

That’s right. We good players have to make up for bad players like you.

Demannu.2805:

I just love all that stories about BG ’’buying’’ ZDs. Like i said in other psts if you like to see it that way, so shall it be ! By the way here is our pricelist for Season 2:

ZDs coming to your server with 40 man raid: 40 000 gold
ZDs moving our from your oponent server: 200 000 gold
ZDs players get shot: 200 000 000 gold
ZDs t-shirts, kittens: 15 000 gold per unit
ZDs themed jingle: 3500 (-25%) gold !!!

Cheers

Champion of Khorne

I would like to buy a jingle. Can pay in installments, 1 c per day over the next 35000000 days. Deal?

Warthog.6870:

Maybe something between your screen and your fingers is just too slow to notice the skill lag.

You play hunched over your keyboard with your head inches away from your screen?

rmprodigy.4679:

Why not PM me and call me out

Dat GW2 thugg lyf

morrolan.9608:

Yeah well I agree but some of the trolls seem to want it to happen judging by this thread, the phrase be careful what you wish for springs to mind.

Well, fortunately, said trolls are doing just that – trolling. A lot of misplaced blame is being thrown in the trenches, but the smart ones realize that the solution lies within SoR itself. One good rally will be all it takes for SoR to reverse their fortunes.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks for clarifying. 2 things:

1. IRON leader/commander Wrex is unwell. We really hope that she will recover soon. You know how one person can influence so many, eg Smokee & Jang for EU.

2. Tarkus has tremendous influence over many due to his diligence and success in tactics/strategy. But didn’t Tarkus leave BG because of the long hours in EU coverage? If so then JQ will not have a a strong leader/commander in EU no?

FW

Neuromancer.2148:

Fannwong.3059:

That was the reason why SOR welcomed IRON, BUT when IRON came Jang Gun (my old boss who’s on my friend list) left the game after 1-2 weeks. We were mystified as to why but when Jang left BG EU forces was about 46% less effective. Is that what you meant by PVDoor? I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of the term.

If you move a bit forward in history, you’ll see MERC running past SEA well into EU time. I would log off at 2 A.M (+8 GMT) and Tarkus would still be plugging away, bringing up our PPT to competitive levels and making everyone think that Blackgate had EU coverage.

This is also why I’m puzzled why IRON has been notably absent. I would see hordes of them during my usual raid hours, but perhaps they were also playing outside of their normal time and have now pulled back to raiding during their timezone’s more reasonable hours. Knowing how Blackgate’s phantom EU coverage worked, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case.

1. We wish her well. In-game rivalries are one thing, but real life is completely different story. Get well soon Wrex!

2. Check Tarkus’ signature now. He left BG to avoid having to carry the SEA primetime, and I believe runs the exact hours ZDs does, although I am not sure if he does so daily.

Fannwong.3059:

That was the reason why SOR welcomed IRON, BUT when IRON came Jang Gun (my old boss who’s on my friend list) left the game after 1-2 weeks. We were mystified as to why but when Jang left BG EU forces was about 46% less effective. Is that what you meant by PVDoor? I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of the term.

If you move a bit forward in history, you’ll see MERC running past SEA well into EU time. I would log off at 2 A.M (+8 GMT) and Tarkus would still be plugging away, bringing up our PPT to competitive levels and making everyone think that Blackgate had EU coverage.

This is also why I’m puzzled why IRON has been notably absent. I would see hordes of them during my usual raid hours, but perhaps they were also playing outside of their normal time and have now pulled back to raiding during their timezone’s more reasonable hours. Knowing how Blackgate’s phantom EU coverage worked, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Neuromancer,
4. I talk to some of your leaders like Karp (he’s a standup guy IRL) and he told me that you guys were solid 4 map queued early in the week. Perhaps you would like the correlate your info with him before posting erroneous data.

Elano.2014:

Elano.2014:

Ah, so I get the mindset of a few BG people now. For all those deciding to transfer to BG – please do ask for them to pay 100% of your transfer fees.

@ Kiff: I’m not from NNK or TFV. But stir up drama? If those haven’t transferred here, BG would probably still dominate SEA. I guess that’s what you want, huh? Domination instead of good guilds to fight against.

- I think you completely misread the opinions of the people who have posted here, and overlooked the facts. No guild’s transfer fees have been fully covered. Everyone who moves, moves at their own expense. The community at Blackgate is willing to lend a helping hand and does so in good faith.

- This is a purely speculative point, which is actually easily debunked. SoR conducted SEA training last night and guess what? They easily took the PPT lead, and this is with Blackgate having two of four maps queued. That is a better indication of SoR’s SEA strength, which could easily be at 3.5 map queues.

I was referring to last night, when I was freely moving between SoS and BG bls and noted the higher tick. What I didn’t get to take note of was the duration SoR held the lead, but thank you for the clarifications.

Balefire.7592:

No one is forcing you to do anything. You are free to ignore trolls at your discretion – if the discussions are pointless, simply don’t join in. I’ve been told that’s the best way to get rid of trolls.

I admire the leadership for being able to hold their tongues for the most part, but we have our passionate mouthpieces just like any server. As long as they speak truth, why would that even be a problem?

And like I said, until you come to SoR and verify what you’ve been told, you have no substantiated claims. Have you stopped to consider that you might be misinterpreting or missing information from these “pillars”? For example, rather a war chest, SoR has PvE guilds willing to do dungeon runs with transfers to raise enough money to bring the rest over.

War Chest is simply easier and more iconic way of visualizing things. Basically, you are admitting that SoR does the exact same thing, but is merely reluctant to acknowledge at an official capacity for the sake of maintaining image.

Grab any random part of Indo’s infamous speech and you will see why the WvW public perceives SoR as such.

Elano.2014:

Ah, so I get the mindset of a few BG people now. For all those deciding to transfer to BG – please do ask for them to pay 100% of your transfer fees.

@ Kiff: I’m not from NNK or TFV. But stir up drama? If those haven’t transferred here, BG would probably still dominate SEA. I guess that’s what you want, huh? Domination instead of good guilds to fight against.

- I think you completely misread the opinions of the people who have posted here, and overlooked the facts. No guild’s transfer fees have been fully covered. Everyone who moves, moves at their own expense. The community at Blackgate is willing to lend a helping hand and does so in good faith.

- This is a purely speculative point, which is actually easily debunked. SoR conducted SEA training last night and guess what? They easily took the PPT lead, and this is with Blackgate having two of four maps queued. That is a better indication of SoR’s SEA strength, which could easily be at 3.5 map queues.

Balefire.7592:

JaredKincade.9761:

You failed to read my final paragraph. Its not a criticism, it is a request.

I am not referring to your final paragraph.
Yes, we are currently experiencing population imbalances. That has nothing to with the “facts” you have stated about how SoR treats or does not treat it’s guilds. If you would like to fact check, you are welcome to temporarily move your guild/yourself to our server.
I though we weren’t meant to judge guilds/servers based on the opinions of the few. If that were the case, I’m sure I could find some disgruntled Blackgate members whose posts I could use to defame your server. But I don’t. I am hoping that since we’ve started to reduce the trolling from our end, we can move on from these petty, pointless arguments.

Our opinions are based on public statements made by pillars of SoR’s community, so we are not basing it on a random forum troll who is obviously out to defame SoR. We commonly choose to silently disagree and do our own thing, but we kept being forced into pointless discussions when someone on the other side slings mud at us for guild ‘buying’ (which doesn’t make sense since all parties lose money in the transfer process)

I actually wonder if this is a cultural difference. SoR loved to tout that they had the “best NA” which would mean probably mostly citizens of the USA, who are mostly individualistic and self-reliant, placing emphasis on the value one has in being autonomous and independent, and to their contributions to society. In other parts of the world, community is formed based on furthering the common good, more observable in outwardly socialist countries, but is actually a more universal human ideal than individual ambition.

Different strokes for different folks, sure, but that could be why what we believe to be “helping” you perceive as “buying,” which again, is ridiculous because who sells themselves at a loss?

As I pointed out in an earlier post, TC doesn’t go ballistic when they lose, which makes me certain they’ll be humble if they win.

Reverence.6915:

Titan.3472:

BG can’t be held responsible for SoR failure in league S01.

Get with the program man, we’re responsible for EVERYTHING that happens to SoR

We’ve become SoR’s parents?! All because Karps got drunk one night…

UltraHiDef.4809:

Gilgamesh.7364:

SleepingDragon.1596:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Alright guys, no need to get angry because ZD decided not to transfer to your server. They wanted to fight IRON (which they saw 50+ zergs of at the start of leagues) and Blackgate was the perfect server to do just that.

No jimmies need to be rustled over it.

Wouldn’t ZD get better fights against guilds like GD, RG, VII, Scnd, etc.? But then again, if memory serves me right, they weren’t a match for the guilds I’ve mentioned above…

Probably, probably not. Regardless, IRUN should feel privileged to have the chance to fight ZD’s instead of QQing about it in the forums.

Hope to see them come back from hiding next week.

IKR? Everyone should have the privilege of fighting an 80-100 man guild blob of ZBs + ZDs.

Fight against superior numbers? We’ve done it versus PRX, FOO, ATM, TW, Choo+FEAR, NYS+SAHP. The secret is to not roll over and die at first wipe. Waypoint and try again.

I remember the several weeks Blackgate spent with Tarnished Coast back when tiers were a thing. They had no chance at all against us, but several weeks of fighting built great relations, sportsmanship and in some cases even friendships.

Just goes to show you what the right attitude can do, and how true communities create good things, not toxic spew.

Wow. The trolls are digging deep and frankly starting to get personal.

Kiff.8157:

Kreamciqul.4617:

MagiKarp.8201:

RiSE left to find greater challenges and less zergs, don’t know why they came back to T1, another Irony considering Jarvan has quit the game on SoR.

Hmm, Jarvan has quit the game on SoR? Man thanks, that’s news to me! Know your facts before posting please

can someone confirm this? coz if it is false, that will be very interesting

According to him, he’s just on break to deal with real life stuff.

Arcade.8901:

Rednik.3809:

Arcade.8901:

Same goes to you.
1st. There were no post of ZD’s guild leader in any of the threads within that forum.
2nd. Noone informed us that Iron or any other SEA EU guild on SOR has no presence in 6 hours window we play.

1. Goha, SFR, ZD guild thread.
2. 1+ year on EU and you still don’t know primetime for britain guilds?

Next troll, please.

2nd. First of all lemme ask you, why do you think we would actually ever care where from the IRON guild. We got told we will have an action, but there is no action, but you still whine about smth.

Oh that timezone used to be heavily populated. The forces evacuated about 2 hours after ZDs’ first raid, and I’m barely exaggerating.

Tarkus.4109:

Neuromancer.2148:

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

Because it’s not a simple answer. The tag left. Some commanders left. Some members left. Much of the core remains in BG.

In all due respect define “core”

I should have said “a core”..enough to start up a new guild.

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

Because it’s not a simple answer. The tag left. Some commanders left. Some members left. Much of the core remains in BG.

dragon.8071:

comarade, you have failed to understand sor. i will provide you a letter of recommendation to mag u. you will learn a lot and you will not ask boring questions. your question is invalid. next.

Matchup threads are getting weirder and weirder by the post….

FractalChaos.6539:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.

What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.

I’ve been on Blackgate through many ups and downs – attitude is most definitely a key factor into how well a server plays. Here’s hoping that you get your internal issues sorted out soon.

FractalChaos.6539:

Xenesis.6389:

This probably should be posted on the sor forums, but since it seems sor doesn’t want to care about their server pride at the moment I’m just going to spill it here.

There’s been a problem brewing on sor for some time, it just hadn’t reared it’s ugly head before the season started but it’s something I noticed as the weeks went by, a certain attitude from sor guilds and and sor commanders. Last week “for the fights” mantra I kept hearing really made me disappointed in sor as well. Look, every player and guild has the right to play the game however they want, I’ve been a part of guilds like that, but there is a time and place for these things.

We all have had an entire year to go around to just “for the fights!” and not worry about the scoreboard, the moment we started the season that should have been put aside until certain things happened. When we’re far ahead or behind in score with no chance of the score flipping towards the end of the week, hey forget the siege and go for the fights, no one would have a problem with that.

The first three days of a match up when we’re all fighting to take the lead put your efforts before yourselves and do something for your server, get the points from ppt or grab the orb buff and get to stomp. If you can’t find it in yourself to help your server win a match up in a season then please get off the top 3 servers where everyone went to get the top competition. You can find fights just as well fighting on the other side and arrange your gvg’s as well if that’s your thing.

It’s sad that sor is not motivated by the season, servers like maguuma and sos fought and stayed in gold league while others may have tanked, even though they have no chance to compete in it. I’m glad they’re making a wvw overflow map, a lot of guilds are going to fit right in there, no points for the server, plenty for yourselves, and nothing but fights.

Sor is self destructing because of the guilds, some of them are unwilling to play with others, they pull good players from the server into their guild and then play among themselves. I’ve heard commanders sound disgusted they have too many pugs with them, some will do things to shake them off, some commanders are unwilling to work with pugs at all, which I think is very important to maintaining numbers on your side.

If you are not out there leading whether we’re winning or losing with the pugs they will give up wandering around aimlessly getting slaughtered. But I suppose that’s what you want right? well 12:30pm on a saturday outmanned on a bl, the pugs have already given up and the ap hunters are gone so who’s left to fill the space?

Now you guilds have what you wanted, an open queue and a ton of bg to fight, but the price? There is hurt pride and broken morale all in the name of just looking for fights to fill your bags up, and it’s only week 3 of 7 where we were expected to compete for first, instead what’s left of the season is talk of waiting to 2v1 with jq on bg on week 7, so I guess we should just get the karma train running for 4 weeks huh.

I know commanding the pug zerg can be trying on the nerves, but if you want better players you need to train and lead them, all I ever hear is blame being set on them for anything that goes wrong. Even the week before the season I mentioned in chat that commanders should be out and leading, and yet I got back the “it’s training week for guilds” that attitude was bound to bite us back.

Then I constantly hear well bg has two times our numbers, of course they do they use their pugs, you fight with your minimum numbers and claim to have better skill but unless the lag and skill lag goes away completely, or you have more skillful players than the other side then it means nothing, numbers will crush you and be available at more places than you can be at once. Your pugs will also not get better if you keep throwing them to the wolves, ridicule them, and blame them for everything.

We still have a number of excellent guilds and commanders around, I appreciate the work they do to coordinate us and creating the fun that can be had from wvw. I don’t need to name other guilds or commanders this was in regards to, if you read this and are offended then really ask yourself if it’s true, do you care enough to help the server or not, if you’re not offended then I’ll say keep on fighting please, the people that follow appreciate it, Rally up Rall.

They will not be offended by your post; to them, you’re a PUG, a nobody, and this will be labeled as a troll or a whine.

I was about to say…sounds like elitism runs rather deep here.

Mirsa.1628:

kanderous.7512:

ZDs actually started logging in about Midnight ET, fielding 10 people to walk yaks in BGBL. It’s a big change because this was previously uncontested that a single thief could disrupt supply caravans headed to Garry.

That additional manpower creates a very effective havoc group for that hour, and I admit that they are more skilled and coordinated than any other permanent BG guild.

They’re a great addition to your team, don’t lose them at the end of the season.

“They [ZDs] are more skilled and coordinated than any other permanent BG guild”.

Boom. They will carry BG on their backs for the next 4 weeks.

ZDs apparently runs for 24 hours now.

Haven’t faced SoS in a while, and I’m looking forward to it. Do they still have a strong Oceanic presence?

Skoti.3195:

mallas.9836:

IRON joins SoR – weeks of SoR chest thumping pvd “WE IS BETTER THAN YOU!”

ZDs joins BG – SoR QQs more than a 5 year old girl that didn’t get her Hello Kitty Pez dispenser.

Tables turned = epic QQ

Youy are wrong here. When we came to SoR T1 was unbalanced, messy. 1st matchup in the leagues last week was very close, beacuse T1 became competitive and quite balanced.

That’s the huge difference between IRON and ZD moving to NA.

Oh yes, then SoR stopped bringing guilds over after IRON, I remember that…

…totally did not happen.

Also, I remember my guild totally stopped coming out to play WvW when IRON moved to SoR..oh no wait, we actually fought harder during our timezone to pad points against IRON’s inevitable gains.

WvW is 24 hours. The results are a sum total of the effort of the guilds and players of a server. I apologize for being snide in this post, but using the excuse of one guild to not come out to play is disrespectful. Don’t say it’s just the opinion of one person in one guild….is that one person responsible forall those points SoR is not holding? I’d much rather hear that you guys were on break or that your own population somehow is not there for one reason than another instead of slinging mud at another server that simply did exactly what all T1 servers have done.

And please show up again. We all wanted fights, well here they are.

I’m confident SoR will overcome this slump and come out swinging during reset.

Well, it’s been an interesting week to say the least, and while there is still a full day of points still up for grabs, I am guessing a lot of guilds will choose to rest up and prepare for next week’s matchup. Thanks to all who showed up this week, both friend and foe. I was able to participate in some of the most enjoyable clashes since I first stepped into the Mists.

As much as I enjoy running with our new Russian friends from ZDs, I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t enjoy seeing their red tags on the field. My best memories of WvW are facing up to the then invulnerable hordes of FOO with the only force willing to stand up to them, MERC as led by Amarathy. We would wipe. A lot. But still we would chase them down sometimes, and attempt to stonewall them. We played for fights. The challenge was worth it.

I think the honor of fighting ZDs should be equal to that of running alongside them. I’ve seen the numbers on both sides and with total impartial judgement, the numbers have been equal on several occasions. Only thing left to do is to take the challenge head on. Come clash with one of the best guilds while you can.

Elano.2014:

Neuromancer.2148:

Elano.2014:

May I ask how many people ZDs is running in SoR BL right now? It seems like 40-50, and around 60 with the casuals. Can anyone confirm?

Around 50. SONG and some other guilds were on SoR earlier but I don’t know where they went.

SONG had 15, and while I can’t speak for the other group, I doubt we had more than 40 in total. Unfortunately it’s getting pretty late for SONG and they had to log off.

Congratulations on taking our garrison when there’s pretty much no one defending, I guess. :/

You had just as much if not more than we did. Good fights they were too.

Elano.2014:

May I ask how many people ZDs is running in SoR BL right now? It seems like 40-50, and around 60 with the casuals. Can anyone confirm?

Around 50. SONG and some other guilds were on SoR earlier but I don’t know where they went.

Kalla.4290:

Neuromancer.2148:

Wolbryne.4037:

Demannu.2805:

That forum is like a burning anuss

1. ZDs came to NA to avoid queue in EU
2. We were 15 at best 20 on EU during our prime with 30-40 in queue including 1-2 RL
3. Core WvW players went to slack due to unreal timers on queues
4. No server but BG approached us prior League and invited us in a respectful manner to join their ranks
5. We did not plan to move before the league starts but the Arena’s Net reality adjusted our plans
6. Core ZDs guild which consists of 300 players is on SFR, only WvW department transferred to BG
7. We came to NA BG for a minmum of 8 weeks
8. We play for fun & for server win
9. We never dodge fights
10. Dear IRON, we don’t have to whisper you for fights nor we will since you are the one map jumping from us whole evening, if you want to fight come and fight in game not on the forums.
11. We are thrilled and looking forward to have fun with BULL which is one of greatest enemies we had before
12. IF you have any bloody questions feel free to ask ingame since we are bit busy fighting rather then pouring gasoline on others kitten s at forums

Dear ZD’s.
We are glad you’re where you are. Very happy for the opportunity to fight you guys. Fought you a few times so far and it was great. We wiped you. You wiped us. It’s all great fun. Unfortunately you guys end your primetime only a short time into ours and I wish that was different since I’d rather fight you guys than the megablobs of T1.
We always run untagged and try to avoid getting randoms to stick on us. Iron fields around 30 people during prime. Around 40 on a good day. We never back down from a fight and will clash no matter the odds. I assure you, we have never tried to get away from you, nor will we ever do that. We play to fight, but for the good of the server we also have to respond to calls for help on different borderlands when help is asked for.
Also, yesterday we had a very low turnout. There was 26 iron on the commander during primetime and that number was down to 12 iron mid/end prime time. I dunno what was up yesterday, but I was not a happy camper

Hope to meet you guys in force today.

With high hopes for epic fights
Regards
Pretorian

“All war is deception.” – General Sun Tzu

Actual quote would be closer to “All warfare is based on deception.”

Ah, thanks for that. I took it from his signature and didn’t bother to cross-check for accuracy.

Wolbryne.4037:

Demannu.2805:

That forum is like a burning anuss

1. ZDs came to NA to avoid queue in EU
2. We were 15 at best 20 on EU during our prime with 30-40 in queue including 1-2 RL
3. Core WvW players went to slack due to unreal timers on queues
4. No server but BG approached us prior League and invited us in a respectful manner to join their ranks
5. We did not plan to move before the league starts but the Arena’s Net reality adjusted our plans
6. Core ZDs guild which consists of 300 players is on SFR, only WvW department transferred to BG
7. We came to NA BG for a minmum of 8 weeks
8. We play for fun & for server win
9. We never dodge fights
10. Dear IRON, we don’t have to whisper you for fights nor we will since you are the one map jumping from us whole evening, if you want to fight come and fight in game not on the forums.
11. We are thrilled and looking forward to have fun with BULL which is one of greatest enemies we had before
12. IF you have any bloody questions feel free to ask ingame since we are bit busy fighting rather then pouring gasoline on others kitten s at forums

Dear ZD’s.
We are glad you’re where you are. Very happy for the opportunity to fight you guys. Fought you a few times so far and it was great. We wiped you. You wiped us. It’s all great fun. Unfortunately you guys end your primetime only a short time into ours and I wish that was different since I’d rather fight you guys than the megablobs of T1.
We always run untagged and try to avoid getting randoms to stick on us. Iron fields around 30 people during prime. Around 40 on a good day. We never back down from a fight and will clash no matter the odds. I assure you, we have never tried to get away from you, nor will we ever do that. We play to fight, but for the good of the server we also have to respond to calls for help on different borderlands when help is asked for.
Also, yesterday we had a very low turnout. There was 26 iron on the commander during primetime and that number was down to 12 iron mid/end prime time. I dunno what was up yesterday, but I was not a happy camper

Hope to meet you guys in force today.

With high hopes for epic fights
Regards
Pretorian

“All war is deception.” – General Sun Tzu

magikfox.9658:

Demannu.2805:

That forum is like cold winters night without vodka

1. ZDs came to NA to drink vodka
2. We were 15 at best 20 on EU during our prime with 30-40 drinking vodka in queue including 1-2 RL
3. Core WvW players went to slack due to drinking too much vodka
4. No server but BG approached us prior League and invited us in a respectful manner to drink vodka with us
5. We did not plan to move before the league starts but were intised with vodka
6. Core ZDs guild which consists of 300 players is on SFR, only WvW department came to drink vodka
7. We came to drink vodka for a minmum of 8 weeks
8. We play for fun & for free vodka
9. We never not drink vodka
10. Dear IRON, we don’t have to whisper you for fights nor we will since vodka, if you want to fight come and fight in game or grab a shot glass.
11. We are thrilled and looking forward to have fun with BULL which is one of greatest vodka drinkers
12. IF you have any bloody questions feel free to ask ingame since we are bit busy fighting rather then pouring VODKA on others kitten s at forums

Corn dogs and corn nuts and corn oil?

Wait, are you on NA?

Stealth.8150:

Demannu.2805:

That forum is like a burning anuss
Dear IRON, we don’t have to whisper you for fights nor we will since you are the one map jumping from us whole evening, if you want to fight come and fight in game not on the forums.
11. We are thrilled and looking forward to have fun with BULL which is one of greatest enemies we had before

in all seriousness sor doesnt play for ppt. they only seem to play for fights so you guys should have no problems getting fights out of sor.

I wish that was the case, but I hear there’s a spot of trouble currently that may be causing the lower turnout. If it is true, I really give my well-wishes and hope the situation rights itself soon.

insy.7083:

The most interesting that in just two days you’ve (SoR) lost a lot of points. Not we did it. All BG warriors did it. Think about it pls. Our contribution is not so greate.
We just playing four hours in day, but you lost about 15-20k ppt.

And. This.

Shoutout to the humble Russians!

Kiltor.9362:

Neuromancer.2148:

Kiltor.9362:

so IRON moves to a server where RK and HB are there to fight and then they go inactive and you think you would have the same numbers to fight?

And ZDs goes to Blackgate to fight IRON. I really don’t see what the issue is here. I personally did not complain when IRON came to NA shores, but didn’t agree with the KISS + other EU transfers that took place soon afterwards. So I am really baffled why there are so many EU SoR players that are against ZDs coming over, which by any account would keep EU numbers relatively even.

I thought we were all playing for fights?

where do you see in any of my posts me suggesting i have a problem with ZD xfering to BG. i mentioned i am happy to fight them as long as they want to fight. But if they are here for a week and leaving unlike IRON i dont see an issue with calling them hired guns.

You were jumping into a discussion about EU timezone dominance, which SoR has clearly enjoyed for many weeks.

I wasn’t saying you were complaining, but that I didn’t understand those on SoR who are. If BULL comes to BG, QQ away and I’ll be right there with you. As it stands now, EU between SoR and BG is relatively even and now we can focus on getting JQ an EU guild/s to balance things out.

Kiltor.9362:

so IRON moves to a server where RK and HB are there to fight and then they go inactive and you think you would have the same numbers to fight?

And ZDs goes to Blackgate to fight IRON. I really don’t see what the issue is here. I personally did not complain when IRON came to NA shores, but didn’t agree with the KISS + other EU transfers that took place soon afterwards. So I am really baffled why there are so many EU SoR players that are against ZDs coming over, which by any account would keep EU numbers relatively even.

I thought we were all playing for fights?

dwahvel.7356:

You can’t be serious…..if I recall correctly bg was the only NA server to have ANY EU guilds playing on it. It was a couple also. The bg SEA/EU push would end the sor/bg matchup on day one. 17 straight wins over sor (early 2013).
Iron was the first eu guild to play on sor and we were the third place server at the time.

Then HB went inactive leaving just RK to contend with massive IRON zergs. HB came back although with scheduled sporadic runs and SoR’s EU has been dominant ever since.

Akkadian.7206:

[IRON] has constantly talked about wanting open field fights and GvG and always wiping the enemy and never having any real competition. Well, now you have an Iron Curtain with similar numbers…

I enjoyed this metaphor.

I would much rather that ZDs stay and more EU guilds come into the NA leagues. I won’t make a conjecture as to why, but SoR’s late SEA early EU is usually more formidable than what I’ve been fighting for the last couple of days. When they start stepping up again, then we’ll really have some fun.

Anvil, meet hammer? I wish now that JQ acquires their own EU guild in time for the next clash.

magikfox.9658:

Neuromancer.2148:

magikfox.9658:

MagiKarp.8201:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Keiel.7489:

PPT aside, and I can only speak for Oceanic/SEA time but WTF is up with BG just running away from fights?

Aside from us forcing the fight on you guys (in the keeps) every open field fight is pretty much you taking off in a different direction. The few that we do get it’s pretty much due to you having a wall or something to stand behind. I would’ve said you were waiting on superior numbers to attack, but even that’s not the case.

If your new tactic is to bore the few SoR players that we can muster up in Oceanic time to leave the map so you can PvD, it’s working pretty well.

If you want to see what happened in OCX/SEA open field on reset with BG – obviously only on one map – then settle back and have a gander at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQGQPThIc

I also commanded SoRBL last night for a shortish period during OCX last night. I had about 5-8 KnT and 10-15 militia at various times, and we were deliberately trying to hold the 35-45 SoR force on the map so BG could cap elsewhere. This was part of the cross-map effort to make up for the PPT monstering we received on the weekend.

This did involve teasing the SoR zerg (at North SC, NW tower,. around NW ruins and outside Bay) and then WPing or withdrawing – while BG capped upgraded stuff on other BLs.

So it wasn’t so much a tactic to ’bore" SoR players into leaving the map, it was a strategy to hold SoR players unproductively on a map with the tantalising promise of easy wipes.

what is strategy?

“What is strategy?” – Magikarps 2013

Something something here for the fights something something.

“Some something here for the fights something something.” – Neuromancer on MERC’s forum policy.

Mm. You must be the clever one.