Guild Wars 2

magikfox.9658:

MagiKarp.8201:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Keiel.7489:

PPT aside, and I can only speak for Oceanic/SEA time but WTF is up with BG just running away from fights?

Aside from us forcing the fight on you guys (in the keeps) every open field fight is pretty much you taking off in a different direction. The few that we do get it’s pretty much due to you having a wall or something to stand behind. I would’ve said you were waiting on superior numbers to attack, but even that’s not the case.

If your new tactic is to bore the few SoR players that we can muster up in Oceanic time to leave the map so you can PvD, it’s working pretty well.

If you want to see what happened in OCX/SEA open field on reset with BG – obviously only on one map – then settle back and have a gander at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQGQPThIc

I also commanded SoRBL last night for a shortish period during OCX last night. I had about 5-8 KnT and 10-15 militia at various times, and we were deliberately trying to hold the 35-45 SoR force on the map so BG could cap elsewhere. This was part of the cross-map effort to make up for the PPT monstering we received on the weekend.

This did involve teasing the SoR zerg (at North SC, NW tower,. around NW ruins and outside Bay) and then WPing or withdrawing – while BG capped upgraded stuff on other BLs.

So it wasn’t so much a tactic to ’bore" SoR players into leaving the map, it was a strategy to hold SoR players unproductively on a map with the tantalising promise of easy wipes.

what is strategy?

“What is strategy?” – Magikarps 2013

Something something here for the fights something something.

Butter.3024:

SoR 2013 – throwing since 16k points lead. Its both gonna be sad and hilarious if SoR loses this matchup after having such an advantage

All servers have lost matches that began with them having a commanding lead. I don’t think it speaks badly of the server.

SoR, no matter what happens, we’ll always have last week.

xoxo

Nakoor.1980:

MagiKarp.8201:

Pryan, forever in my heart.

I don’t know how I feel about this.

Inc KarpsXPryan fanfic.

Zero.5034:

Cirus.5748:

And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.

I’m glad to see how little faith SoR and BG have in their own servers =) so what you’re basically saying, is that because JQ is stronger than both of you, that your ONLY chance to win this season is to 2v1 JQ every chance you get

Nope. People are saying because of the SCHEDULE given to us by on high, the only way to make all 7 weeks still mean something in terms of competition is to not allow JQ to score well in a SoR-BG-JQ matchup. Any other result will give JQ an easy win for the entire season one.

The best way to get fights is for the big 3 to actually have proper competition each week. Seriously, these sorts of things need a matchmaker like boxing matches, not Random Number Generated schlock.

Nuked.2360:

Neuromancer.2148:

Nuked.2360:

MagiKarp.8201:

Congrats to JQ on their win by default of Season 1 Leagues, well done Anet!

Enjoy the 3 weeks of pvdoor after this match JQ!

Or it’s simply the fact us being ranked one going into seasons was beneficial same as any sport. The number one ranked team always gets a slightly easier on paper schedule than anyone else.

Instant win matches = “slightly easier”

Someone was going to be upset regardless of the schedule.

And since it’s not your side getting the shaft, you’re not complaining.

I honestly don’t mind that you guys are basically getting a free pass for this season, but please don’t mock the rest of the league by saying it’s just gonna be “slightly easier” for you to win.

Nuked.2360:

MagiKarp.8201:

Congrats to JQ on their win by default of Season 1 Leagues, well done Anet!

Enjoy the 3 weeks of pvdoor after this match JQ!

Or it’s simply the fact us being ranked one going into seasons was beneficial same as any sport. The number one ranked team always gets a slightly easier on paper schedule than anyone else.

Instant win matches = “slightly easier”

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

If you’re interested in history, you might want to consider it a little more widely:
JQ: 19 Gold, 17 Silver, 19 Bronze. Total medals = 55
BG: 14 Gold, 11 Silver, 14 Bronze. Total 39
SoR: 8 Gold, 20 silver, 9 Bronze. total = 37.

And for this week’s match where it’s JQ vs BG vs lower tiered server, it’s just midweek and JQ is 48K ahead.

JQ can’t claim historical victimhood with any credibility.

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Without this weeks’ match JQ has 36% more gold medals than BG. Only in Nuked-world is this almost the same amount.

With this week’s match it goes up to 43%.

Thinking says you’re wrong.

How easy do you guys want your wins to be?

Mediocrity for months from JQ in terms of tier 1 where we had 1 gold in the many months since may and BG had 10+ in that same timezone. You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods. When JQ had no OCX no EU coverage whatsoever. We would hit 90 ppt during those periods. All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night.

You have an interesting way to make an argument.

You take 11 weeks out of a year of dominance and present it as “proof” that you’re somehow a victim, an underdog?

You say “You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods”, when I never said anything at all about that period. Although a masterstroke, what concerns me is JQ’s recent recruiting, such as paying MERC to bandwagon over. It was a strategic masterstroke but the claims of improving competition and balance are cynical PR spin – or complete and utter clueless-ness.

You said “All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night”. What we’re seeing this week is JQ 74k ahead so far and:
> 500 PPT on 8 ticks.
> 400 PPT on 86 ticks.
< 200 PPT on 15 ticks.

In essence, you seem upset that any other server has ever won, or that you should have to fight for anything.

I’ll repeat my previous question, how easy do you want your wins to be?

It’s not our fault that your numbers didn’t show up this week and they did last week. I have yet to see your oceanic show up at all. And you guys have a high oceanic population this was evidenced by the fact that even when MERC wasn’t on map BG still had 20-25 people on majority of their maps. Even without merc on the same map JQ was sporting outmanned in EVERY map during OCX this was even with TKG.

Pssst…we lost last week too.

I think you fail to realize that Blackgate did not have easy victories. When JQ was winning it was doing it while practically asleep on the wheel. We only started winning when JQ stopped showing up suddenly one day, and even then we had a massively growing SoR to deal with. BG is not shamming, we really don’t have the same amount of coverage as SoR and JQ now.

sostronk.8167:

electriette.8952:

Neuromancer.2148:

sostronk.8167:

Pinkus.2860:

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

Ahahaha good lord that gave me a solid laugh. You must be new here.

lololol. Dat awkward moment. I recall us having some oceanic guilds who left for server balance reasons. Can’t remember who they are though :p

No fear, we have trained koalas and a couple of croc commanders to pick up the slack. Said guilds who left shall not be missed when these crack troops get on their feet!

What about platypuses (or platypi? English is hard)?

We will be utilizing the Platypus as our small scale fighters targeting orb nodes and giving us the buffs. We are also looking into getting kangaroos to escort yaks. With this I really feel that we can compete with JQ. But first we must train said animals to log into a PC, which we will get to work on right after we throw another prawn on the barbie!

We tried rounding up a bunch of stray kittens too, but it was pretty much like herding cats.

sostronk.8167:

Pinkus.2860:

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

Ahahaha good lord that gave me a solid laugh. You must be new here.

lololol. Dat awkward moment. I recall us having some oceanic guilds who left for server balance reasons. Can’t remember who they are though :p

No fear, we have trained koalas and a couple of croc commanders to pick up the slack. Said guilds who left shall not be missed when these crack troops get on their feet!

Guide to WvW body counting:

1) If you wipe the enemy, their numbers are yours multiplied by 1.5

Ex: “Our 20 man totally trashed your 30 lol.”

2) If your group wipes, multiply the number by a factor 2 or greater. Add the word “blob” to describe said group. Insert jab about ‘skill’ and ‘spam’.

Ex: “Of course our 30 people will die to your 60 man blob. Any moron in a group that size can mindlessly spam 1 and win.”

Cudz, I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of smiting you with my hammer yet. This must be rectified!

Message edited for a GP friendly rating.

dragon.8071:

come over to sor and feel our power.

Sounds like something said in prison.

Burl.9567:

Neuromancer.2148:

Burl.9567:

Reslinal.2359:

Burl.9567:

Neuromancer.2148:

Burl.9567:

Tajz.9826:

Azure.8412:

Stealth.8150:

Azure.8412:

I really think SoR has the weakest Oceanic now, with HIRE fading more and more.

QQ more about coverage. you guys had no problems with coverage last week.
just admit your na’s got slaughtered today and your oceanic’s paying for it

Can’t even have a proper statement on the forums anymore without any bad trolls like you jumping on it. I’m simply stating facts. HIRE has become more SEA lately, causing there to be a gap in Oceanic. Honestly, even when we matched up only with BG, we never led much at all in Oceanic, simply because our presence is depleting.

You mean this? http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109 :P Make the fact straight. your HIRE may be starting late toward SEA more but your entire oceanic/SEA as a server is still really on the upperhand if you compared to BG, especially since tarkus and his gang packed his bag to JQ.The big lead you get is starting from mid Oceanic up to EU. Yes i do agree that you may have less Oceanic/SEA if compared to JQ now but still far more compared to BG.

I don’t see how your link helps you make your point. BG did quite well on Monday and then gave up the rest of the week. If that’s the point of your post, you made it well. You have the numbers, you just lose participation throughout the week due to your WvW population being more fair-weather than your competition.

So..

SoR falls behind – population imbalance
BG falls behind – fairweather players gone

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

Where did I say any of that? I never stated anything about SoR population numbers. My only comment is that BG has more players than they are willing to admit. They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.

You didn’t in your post explicitly, but you were responding to a post that tries to counter the claim of one of your servermate about SoR has weak oceanic coverage, do you expect people not to put your argument into context?

And you just said in your post again “BG falls behind – fairweather players gone”, or more specifically “They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.”

So when we have this: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109, it’s because BG fairweather players are not playing, and when Sor was losing on Monday its because it doesn’t have enough manpower in oceanic?

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

If I didn’t post it explicitly, I didn’t state it. Simple as that. Don’t attempt to read between the lines on anything I post. There is no hidden meaning in my posts. I’m not trying to get you to eat a cheeseburger at lunch with some subliminal message. BG numbers get fewer and fewer as the week goes on due to fair-weather play. I am saying nothing more and nothing less.

What you say doesn’t make sense. If we rolled on by through fairweather players, then we shouldn’t have lost any momentum. What would make more sense is if you said we have a lot of weekend players who disappear during the week. But you specifically say “fairweather”, meaning people who only show up when we’re winning.

At no point were you winning in the matchup that was posted past Friday…so…

You’re making an absolute statement which means it applies to THIS week as well. We were leading throughout the weekend. We lost the lead, therefore, fairweather?

Burl.9567:

Reslinal.2359:

Burl.9567:

Neuromancer.2148:

Burl.9567:

Tajz.9826:

Azure.8412:

Stealth.8150:

Azure.8412:

I really think SoR has the weakest Oceanic now, with HIRE fading more and more.

QQ more about coverage. you guys had no problems with coverage last week.
just admit your na’s got slaughtered today and your oceanic’s paying for it

Can’t even have a proper statement on the forums anymore without any bad trolls like you jumping on it. I’m simply stating facts. HIRE has become more SEA lately, causing there to be a gap in Oceanic. Honestly, even when we matched up only with BG, we never led much at all in Oceanic, simply because our presence is depleting.

You mean this? http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109 :P Make the fact straight. your HIRE may be starting late toward SEA more but your entire oceanic/SEA as a server is still really on the upperhand if you compared to BG, especially since tarkus and his gang packed his bag to JQ.The big lead you get is starting from mid Oceanic up to EU. Yes i do agree that you may have less Oceanic/SEA if compared to JQ now but still far more compared to BG.

I don’t see how your link helps you make your point. BG did quite well on Monday and then gave up the rest of the week. If that’s the point of your post, you made it well. You have the numbers, you just lose participation throughout the week due to your WvW population being more fair-weather than your competition.

So..

SoR falls behind – population imbalance
BG falls behind – fairweather players gone

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

Where did I say any of that? I never stated anything about SoR population numbers. My only comment is that BG has more players than they are willing to admit. They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.

You didn’t in your post explicitly, but you were responding to a post that tries to counter the claim of one of your servermate about SoR has weak oceanic coverage, do you expect people not to put your argument into context?

And you just said in your post again “BG falls behind – fairweather players gone”, or more specifically “They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.”

So when we have this: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109, it’s because BG fairweather players are not playing, and when Sor was losing on Monday its because it doesn’t have enough manpower in oceanic?

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

If I didn’t post it explicitly, I didn’t state it. Simple as that. Don’t attempt to read between the lines on anything I post. There is no hidden meaning in my posts. I’m not trying to get you to eat a cheeseburger at lunch with some subliminal message. BG numbers get fewer and fewer as the week goes on due to fair-weather play. I am saying nothing more and nothing less.

What you say doesn’t make sense. If we rolled on by through fairweather players, then we shouldn’t have lost any momentum. What would make more sense is if you said we have a lot of weekend players who disappear during the week. But you specifically say “fairweather”, meaning people who only show up when we’re winning.

Burl.9567:

Tajz.9826:

Azure.8412:

Stealth.8150:

Azure.8412:

I really think SoR has the weakest Oceanic now, with HIRE fading more and more.

QQ more about coverage. you guys had no problems with coverage last week.
just admit your na’s got slaughtered today and your oceanic’s paying for it

Can’t even have a proper statement on the forums anymore without any bad trolls like you jumping on it. I’m simply stating facts. HIRE has become more SEA lately, causing there to be a gap in Oceanic. Honestly, even when we matched up only with BG, we never led much at all in Oceanic, simply because our presence is depleting.

You mean this? http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109 :P Make the fact straight. your HIRE may be starting late toward SEA more but your entire oceanic/SEA as a server is still really on the upperhand if you compared to BG, especially since tarkus and his gang packed his bag to JQ.The big lead you get is starting from mid Oceanic up to EU. Yes i do agree that you may have less Oceanic/SEA if compared to JQ now but still far more compared to BG.

I don’t see how your link helps you make your point. BG did quite well on Monday and then gave up the rest of the week. If that’s the point of your post, you made it well. You have the numbers, you just lose participation throughout the week due to your WvW population being more fair-weather than your competition.

So..

SoR falls behind – population imbalance
BG falls behind – fairweather players gone

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

Shinji.2063:

CRO.7658:

Cuddlepie.8109:

I’m glad to know that JQ ticking for over 300 for hours isn’t “boring for all parties”.

If it makes you feel better, BG have been ticking between 270-340 the past 3 hours. Hope your not too bored my friend.

Lets take a look at millenium

JQ ticking at or above 300 from 4am to 5 pm with a small 1 hour hickup to 245 from 2p, to 3pm

BG ticks at or above 300 from 10 to midnight.

We are very bored here at BG, all that pvd we get to do is so dull

Yes, that 2 hour lead certainly shows how extremely powerful Blackgate is. Behold our last place score and don’t let it fool you!

dragon.8071:

Score update…

and bg still trying to recruit during oceanic time? sor needs guilds at this timezone not bg.

You are aware that your screenshot shows Blackgate as last, right?

Fuzzion.2504:

magikfox.9658:

Neuromancer.2148:

Finally gets coverage to compete with other big server.

Both servers take third smaller server’s objectives.

…yep, works as a meme.

If you’re calling BG small…. lol

BG is so large that they have their own gravitational pull

Then JQ has planetary orbits and SoR is a blackhole.

Finally gets coverage to compete with other big server.

Both servers take third smaller server’s objectives.

…yep, works as a meme.

Rigel.3092:

sostronk.8167:

magikfox.9658:

Tarkus.4109:

Cod on Cod.3694:

Tarkus.4109:

Shifty.4985:

Tarkus, go to bread!

NOPE

Quick, Someone make a funny meme or snarky .gif out of this!!!

“Leaves BG because he doesn’t want to burn out doing overtime….”

Commanding in EU usually meant that I would’ve had to have taken militia and coordinate dual hits with HB and RK – staying up to fight them to see how they would fare (tbh they had a low guildee showing) wasn’t because I wanted to burn at both ends and was doing overtime. If you command a lot you often want to see if the guys you usually play with are up to scratch, playing in EU was more because I was curious to see if RK/PLX/HB would smash my group (95% JQ militia) as JQ has been historically weak in EU as it has no current guilded presence. There is plenty of militia in that time-slot, all they need is someone to lead them (cough cough, need EU guilds).

The best fights I’ve had all year have been against the BG ones since we left, as we cut a lot of dead weight from the guild when we moved off. Making a 3rd underdog server that hasn’t been competitive for first place for competitive again is part of the enjoyment you get from leading and JQs community is just as welcoming as BGs was. We are still the only guilded presence that has its prime ~5-9pm AEST as opposed to the previously stacked BG OC which had 3 OC guilds that usually ended in a ROFL-stomp on BGs behalf mostly from the part of them having a large militia and guild presence 24/7. We improved competition by moving as JQ was legitamately the underdog when it came to competition, as having one-sided fights is fun for no-one and moving from the previously Rank 1 server to the previously Rank 3 shifts the meta of T1 so that we get more fights in more timezones as opposed to everyone stacking in their respective timezones.

Thanks for the fights HB, Afterlife, PLX, RK and IRON.

On top of this, I want to remind everyone of the score HALF WAY THROUGH THE FREAKIN WEEK.

This kitten is intense. In the smaller moments you have your 2v1s and those moments of dread where you only have a few things still your colour and everything is paper.

But looking at the larger picture… things are just amazing atm.

Imagine if the larger force of MERC that left had actually stayed in BG. Would the competition be this tight? Who knows. But for now things are looking fantastic.

Why even mention MERC leaving. They had very little effect. TKG on the other hand, had a large effect on the balance of the servers because they are actually good at the game.

Your discounting of MERC and what it did is beyond dubious, it is ludicrous. While it takes the efforts of an entire server (all time zones) to win a weekly matchup, MERC’s performance in numerous weeks had undoubtedly seriously helped BG win some weekly matchups. TKG who?

MERC certainly cast a large shadow in Oceanic and SEA, but would really not be enough to carry Blackgate. The fall of a few other guilds caused the huge dearth of activity that we are experiencing now, which was happening even before MERC left for JQ. On some nights, MERC was able to pull enough people to cover the gap, but the norm would be for Blackgate to be ticking at the low to mid 100s, peaking at maybe 280 ppt.

BG SEA is still in transition, but I would not say MERC was solely responsible for its current state.

Vash.9183:

Smokee.1754:

assasin of warr.9517:

Smokee.1754:

Its great to see so many EU guilds finally joining the NA servers. You are all more than welcome.

smokee

we gonna put a bounty on the head of your mesmers. that portal last night in golantha was awesome. we where like wtf just happend. it was funny kitten dude

Our mesmers are the best, however they´ve been slacking lately so I´d encourage you to go for them. They better kitten get in their a-game again

Not all of you thought it was funny that my 15 guys wouldnt take up the fight. I guess outnumbering the enemy 4-1 is the only fun that some – not all, of you is used to

I hope those of you that dont enjoy massivly outnumbering the enemy is glad to see new EU guilds here on NA as well. I could imagine it have been borring at times, to have an EU guild on NA that fields 40+ and everyone else running around in groups of 15-25.

See you guys tonight for some more fights.

Lol @ that screenshot. Smokee hasn’t tagged up in ages. What blob could that guy even be talking about? Those guys sure do like to whisper spam their enemies.

Yoloswag.

WvW certainly brings out people’s inner bully – intimidating and posturing when they know they how the size advantage on their side.

I will proceed to write all comedy websites on the internet and demand that they punctuate every sentence with lol, or a smiley, or a purple unicorn shooting rainbows from its horn.

(by the way that was also a joke…just making sure….)

magikfox.9658:

pot.6805:

magikfox.9658:

Neuromancer.2148:

magikfox.9658:

Neuromancer.2148:

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

This statement only carries weight if we had options and the skill to execute those options

huehuehue

Thanks for editing my post, but we already know SoR equates manpower with skill.

You’re a bitter bunch, you lot. Your understanding of SoR is equivalent to your ability to count. And also shows that you guys can throw out jokes, but can’t the jandal when it’s thrown back to you. Let the jimmies rustle through you

I remember when you used to lecture others about posts like that one you just made.

I still do, pot And I wouldn’t compare my posts with anything Neuromancer has made. He flat out just said SoR thinks that numbers = skill. A presumption for the large part is wrong. He’s just being sour at the moment for some odd reason. Maybe it was my joke, which I guess is fair, but I felt that poking a but of fun wouldn’t be so bad as a similar situation happened about a page back where an SoR member was accused of taking something too seriously.

The posts/lectures I make I write when I feel a poster in the thread brings about an opinion that is equivalent to the argument of chemtrails. If people wish to challenge my challenges, then go for it.

To say that my reply to Neuromancer is breaking some sort of personal morale code is not really too true.

I did the whole rustle jimmie thing because it’s something I predicted karps to do so I beat him to it

I only do lecture posts when someone is so stupidly wrong that the topic needs my voice. These past few posts were not that. Just having fun

Wait, what?

You posted the troll bait. I merely responded with a jape of my own, to which you post a hilariously ironic reply about not being able to take a joke.

magikfox.9658:

Neuromancer.2148:

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

This statement only carries weight if we had options and the skill to execute those options

huehuehue

Thanks for editing my post, but we already know SoR equates manpower with skill.

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

This statement only carries weight if we had options and the manpower to execute those options

Raven Paradox.1860:

Hows your fundraiser going BG? lmao.

You mean the one our helpful community voluntarily put together for anyone who chooses to participate in an attempt to match the overzealous recruitment of SoR and JQ? lmao.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Mauvelence.6870:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Despite what you may think GE’s leader is still inexperienced in fielding borderlands. His role started to shift from EB to borderlands a few weeks ago. He’s testing out various methods and see what BG does. He’s not used to the 15+ superior carts that BG used last night, and I just offered some additional advice to attack bay (I’m also new from EB, started wvwing 1-2 months ago, glad to know BG’s happy in beating down the inexperienced).

When it comes to fair open field battles you guys didn’t win much, did you.

And hi [Coin], I think I saw you guys in TC bay.

He’s inexperienced in more areas than that, however that isn’t even what I’m talking about in the first place, and don’t assume you have a clue what I may think. We never at any point had even 10 superior arrow carts at any given time, even before you trebbed and then died after rolling over them all, sorry to tell you. Also, what “fair” open field battles? Your full map blob vs our no less than 3 distinct groups running separately at any given time? In addition to the contingency of non combatants in citadel? And 20% of our main force’s group off sentrying our holdings in order to prevent the inevitable ninja pvtower/keep attempt from a handful of tkg/whatnot or occasional attempt from tc? Which of course we would then have to float off to respond to. Do you think you didn’t get anywhere near where you did no thanks to that? Nah mate. At every point after the first breach where you got back in outer it was only because our main force were too busy with our hands tied elsewhere to deal with you.

And don’t get it twisted Vash, I love the new, significantly less effective bulobbage. WOW so blob, much bags.

1) BG kept building new super arrow carts every time we attacked Bay. I didn’t say 15+ super carts at any given time, but the total numbers of arrow carts that were taken down should be 15 from the hours of bashing bay took.

2) The two major parties running in BGBL were FOO + GE + pugs running around to fight. Your Merc + TMD + X guild (forgot what your 3rd guild is) already field more than the major parties, and our pug numbers aren’t really bigger than yours. Thanks for putting beer goggles and really thinking our size is bigger. And it wasn’t TKG running around to cap whatever you have, it was FOO. So whatever fights you had were GE/FOO + pugs.

3) I still like the accusation of map blob, because BG still had the numbers to field JQBL and cap bay/hold on to hills. Not only that, your BG had +150 stats most of the time, and it is amazing how you guys lost to us in straight field battles and had to rely on arrow carts to keep us out. If you guys didn’t need a queue, I call liar liar pants on fire.

Ok, now that you’ve given your perspective, let me share what was going on our side of the wall.

I remember us dropping 5 superior ACs south bay. But can you blame us given that we only had 27 running on the tag?

Yep. 27. We estimated you to be at least 40+ (conservative estimate of the map total since every corner we’d turn it seems we’d run into a separate force as big as ours running independent from the main zerg. I think you would have had at least 70 total in the map). The first couple of times we engaged, we indeed lost. What else can you expect given the numbers advantage? So commander decided to play it smart and siege up…especially since we had to float off to JQ and TC bl.

Yep…27 were holding at least 3 keeps from equal or greater forces. So please tell us again why we shouldn’t drop the carts? Hats off to our leadership for making us seem a lot larger than we actually were. I think that was effective map control and management.

P.S once we had nearly equal numbers, we came out. Guess who won those fights?

dwahvel.7356:

You forgot to put ur weakest timezone in the thread (NA). That is all.

You’re missing the huge title that says we need SEA and EU. If you’d care to look at the last couple of weeks, SoR and JQ vastly outnumbered our SEA forces. NA has actually been competitive between the big 3.

Brutus.5732:

Stealth.8150:

well if you guys weren’t tanking the scores to get more guilds bg wouldnt be in first spot

Nobody is tanking the score, you found another window (late PST) to pad your score and it is the only reason you have a lead. SOR worked all day and took your 12k lead down to 6k then you added 6k back to the lead in 4 hours overnight.

BTW the numbers during late PST and the disparity between BG and SOR\JQ in those stats posted yesterday does seem a bit off.

It’s a surprise for me too. Late PST has traditionally been Blackgate lowest ticking time.

Jedbacca.6297:

Actually, the data is not skewed. While the above example is completely true, you are discounting BG being able to maintain that bloodlust. There are two sides to the equation. The points acquired from bloodlust is a by product of killing the opposing team AND maintaining that bloodlust. That is what makes the statistic accurate.

This is small and large scale combat between the servers. As I stated before, BG has placed priority in sending main team to center ruins in order to maintain this Bloodlust buff. While doing so, any stomps count toward their score. We noticed last night that BG did a pretty kitten good job at holding pretty much Bloodlust across 3 borderlands, as to SoR and JQ were not doing this. For your factual data, this translates in to less stomp points for JQ and SoR yet more structural holding based game play. As a compliment, you can state that BG is doing their best to try and get ahead of the Bloodlust curve and was a great example last night of maintaining that Bloodlust to get points for stomps while the other servers were not gaining points through their stomps.

There’s certainly a margin of error for total body count that will remain unaccounted for, but you have to consider that the factors remain equal for all three servers. At any given time, all servers have equivalent access to bloodlust if they exert the effort to obtain it. The only controlling factor is the two other opponents. If the buff remains with server A, then it’s easy to conclude that server A is effectively controlling the nodes, which in itself means we beat the opposition present at those nodes. If server A’s score has a high percentage of non-PPT points, then it’s also safe to assume that they are making good use of the buff i.e killing in the open field. And contrary to what you say, our main forces are primarily still on PPT objectives. That we have had less holdings this week is actually a testament to how thin our population really is, especially with all the transfers happening.

TL:DR What some of our more enthusiastic servermates are refuting is that Blackgate merely relies on large numbers to knock down doors to gain large PPT that carries us to victory, a myth perpetuated by other zealous posters from other servers, but has dominance in smaller fights too, of which the bloodlust mechanic provides us at least a barometer.

This ‘statement’ is independent of JQ and SoR’s ability to kill on the field as well.

zhonnika.1784:

Cod on Cod.3694:

Jedbacca.6297:

Bla bla bla, my made up facts are better than your made up facts – Here’s something i made up to prove it

Fact: You get stomped, BG get points = you loose on the field, and you loose the match.

Fact: This guy doesn’t know how to spell lose

Fact: This is an international forum, so you cannot expect everyone to adhere to the same standards of language that may be common in your country. You have server mates who commit spelling and grammar mistakes too. Be as courteous to everyone as you are to them.

Tam.3146:

Burl.9567:

I was rather disappointed last night. I was hoping the new mechanics were going to break the zergs up some but it appeared it did the actual opposite.

The lag in the BLs was just atrocious and fights came down to who had more people spamming 1. Hopefully it dies down some and new tactics force the zergs to split up.

Its either super big zerg or pvp style roaming.
There’s still no room for 15~20 team

All I’ve seen today on BG are 20 or 30 man teams all over the borderlands. I haven’t seen large BG zergs except on EB.

KumaTazZ.8054:

Score not from tick.
SoR = 29%
JQ = 30%
BG = 34%

So BG is the worst server to capture towers and play for PPT.

http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=currentscore&sort=hidden_points_percent&ad=desc

Myth busted

Our other new guilds are called Ghost, Unic0rn, Boogieman, Easter Rabbit and Universal Health Care. They’re part of an alliance based on myths and paranoia.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Tarkus.4109:

KayOz.3750:

Clockradio.3257:

KayOz.3750:

Pretty funny to see BG and JQ paying guild to join their servers.
Poor guys.

I have yet to see anything more than rumor and speculation that guilds were ever paid to join a server.

There is a difference between helping a guild (who in all likelihood was going to transfer anyway) get all of it’s members over by donating/loaning gold to them and outright paying them gold to transfer to a server.

How about we deal with facts, supported by real evidence, rather than this crap that’s going around lately?

I’ve talked to a friend. The guild got 100% paid.

If you get a collection of anecdotes it is not fact, just a pile of anecdotes. There are no problems with offering help for transfers if they legitimately want to come over – I also love the implication that if you help people out and not be a selfish kitten it is observed as a negative thing.

It’s one thing to help guilds out to get over to a server, it’s a whole other thing to throw money out and start begging guilds to come over like your server does. Buying guilds does not build a strong community and does not help your server.

Are people still trying to make this bit of propaganda stick?

SykkoB.9465:

SEA Once belonged to JQ, but BG is close and may have more then JQ now , SOR is a little behind in this time zone but thats ok we will work with the great teams we have here. Even this timezone tho isnt as bad as it once was and is alot closer

I really think of all the timezones, SEA plays the deciding factor in most matchups. BG may sometimes be ahead, but JQ dominates just as long and as often, and even SoR rears its head to capture commanding leads for many hours. Last night, we had a tough time maintaining ~200 ppt, and our forces dwindled to a roaming 20-man far before the end of primetime.

I’d say during SEA it’s JQ still on top, then BG. But SoR is just a fingernail behind BG. You really need to see what paltry forces we need to make do with often times while SoR has two maps queued, with a respectable force on a third map.

I saw an old lady throw water out her window and drench an unsuspecting cat below. Poor kitty must have jumped 10 feet into the air it made me lol irl.

Doomdesire.9365:

Kodiak.3281:

And we again see how well JQ (or SOR) holds up in T1 without a third server to hold their hand.

They don’t.

Maybe because BG has the biggest 24/7 coverage?

JQ contests BG’s SEA, SoR contests BG’s EU/NA/OCX. It’s logical. Neither of these servers have the numbers and coverage BG has.

BG get’s matched up with SoR – >>> ticks 350+ for late OCX/SEA
BG get’s matched up with JQ – >>> Ticks 330+ EU/NA/OCX
BG get’s matched up with SoR AND JQ – >>> No more PVD during offhours. Sorry to break it to you, but that’s how WvW works

Give JQ EU/NA/OCX guilds and I’m sure it will be a different story. JQ is one of the best/if not the best servers with their numbers. Being condescending to them because you have more coverage doesn’t make sense.

We respect our JQ as opponents on the whole. No one makes the excuse of “PvD! PvD!” for their off hours and they just play the game.

If you want to talk condescension, the entire GW2 community is well aware of whose trolls are the undisputed champions of smug.

Shifty.4985:

Titan.3472:

SoR is off-topic. Please keep the thread clean. XD
Visit the pve section if you really want to discuss about them.

your guys came to our thread, so were paying a visit to yours

You invoke our name. We show up.

A toxic thread with SoR in it? No, that can’t be…

First you have to take the lead. Then they will come.

Cirus.5748:

I wish PRX came back home to SoS after their European adventure If they returned to a competition, they might not have retired so fast.

Is that really what they were after? It appeared to me that they disappeared just as serious competition (namely, Blackgate and the reinforced SoR) appeared over the horizon.

Not trolling, I’m genuinely curious.

Jahn.7019:

The funny thing about this all is that TKG was headhunted from JQ by BG.

ACO and WARD came over on their own to SoR.

I guess these descriptions are just a matter of perspective.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Sardonia.8196:

morrolan.9608:

FearedbytheGods.8617:

The WvW political climate has switched, JQ SEA focuses SoR now because of IRON trolls and other antics from SoR.

JQ and SoR did support one another at this time, but it is gone.

IRON has become a liability to SoR.

Whats funny is that by doing it Waha completely denies JQ the chance of winning the match up.

This is something I do not understand either. By 2vs1 BG, JQ would have a great chance at winning.

Waha is not denying JQ anything. ATM is doing the same thing that IRON can do to us. Nothing wrong with that on either side. SoR only targeting JQ is stopping us from having the chance to win. It is also stopping them at having a chance for the win as well.

They won’t see it that way, believe me.

No country but Amurica!

Tarkus.4109:

Who has a sudden urge to put all of the forum trolls in a sack and throw them into the ocean if you could?

Don’t forget to load those sacks up with rocks too.

Jahn.7019:

Neuromancer.2148:

Jahn.7019:

Jet.4795:

Jahn.7019:

XxNoahxX.7813:

FearedbytheGods.8617:

The WvW political climate has switched, JQ SEA focuses SoR now because of IRON trolls and other antics from SoR.

JQ and SoR did support one another at this time, but it is gone.

IRON has become a liability to SoR.

exactly. Sorry Indo/SOR, it’s not ur fault, we couldnt help you any longer. Waha has tried extremely hard to soothe JQer since last match-up, IRON was a huge troll even if there is a so called truce front of ppl. it’s like, mate you call us for help and some of your crew bite our butt, what’s going on, what do you really want?? Our NA bros were being trolled again, again and again; Waha announced ’that’s enough; that’s it. sorry Indo….’ on the 2nd day this match-up.

According to Waha, there is no other better/stronger guilds better than MERC from BG( well, I am guessing he is talking about MERC’s SEA force). They are much stronger than ATM in terms of coverage and size. He mentioned a few times he wont be happy to see if MERC left from BG and he believe the match-up will be too bored. Waha/ATM respect them hard and Waha doesnt give kitten to IRON at all.

Oh by the way, ‘IRON you messed up everything.’- this word isn’t from me, I am just a minion of ATM, I heard it from lots lots and lots other JQers, including Waha ATM.

The amusing part of that statement is most of SEA, ATM and MERC spend most of it avoiding each other.

Our SEA has focused SoR for a total of 2 weeks, please ask BG how many times our SEA was all over them. I am not here to argue but come on now, your judging everything based on 2 weeks.

I call it how I see it. Play your game, do your thing.

The problem with how you see it is that it’s just the micro-view of the much bigger picture.

To Indo’s philosophy I reply, with all due respect, that’s a rather immature view of competition. You can be feared but respected by your foes. But in light of some of the rampant trolling that takes place, I guess it goes to show how much influence one guy has on the whole population. The rest of us just have to suffer the noise

Consider the fact that half the BG guilds talk kitten about each other in /map chat regularly. I think Indo’s philosophy is probably the better one.

I’d rather be on the server that has a positive friendly community than the poisonous one where everyone went there just to win and people disrespect their own teammates.

I really wish I could peer into this world of yours that you seem so sure about so that I can understand you better. I really do.

P.S You replied to the wrong half of the quote I responded to I’m talking about respecting opponents and you’re talking about how poisonous our map chat is. I guess I don’t notice all the vitriol because I’m laughing at a drunken Cuddlestrike half the time?

Jahn.7019:

Jet.4795:

Jahn.7019:

XxNoahxX.7813:

FearedbytheGods.8617:

The WvW political climate has switched, JQ SEA focuses SoR now because of IRON trolls and other antics from SoR.

JQ and SoR did support one another at this time, but it is gone.

IRON has become a liability to SoR.

exactly. Sorry Indo/SOR, it’s not ur fault, we couldnt help you any longer. Waha has tried extremely hard to soothe JQer since last match-up, IRON was a huge troll even if there is a so called truce front of ppl. it’s like, mate you call us for help and some of your crew bite our butt, what’s going on, what do you really want?? Our NA bros were being trolled again, again and again; Waha announced ’that’s enough; that’s it. sorry Indo….’ on the 2nd day this match-up.

According to Waha, there is no other better/stronger guilds better than MERC from BG( well, I am guessing he is talking about MERC’s SEA force). They are much stronger than ATM in terms of coverage and size. He mentioned a few times he wont be happy to see if MERC left from BG and he believe the match-up will be too bored. Waha/ATM respect them hard and Waha doesnt give kitten to IRON at all.

Oh by the way, ‘IRON you messed up everything.’- this word isn’t from me, I am just a minion of ATM, I heard it from lots lots and lots other JQers, including Waha ATM.

The amusing part of that statement is most of SEA, ATM and MERC spend most of it avoiding each other.

Our SEA has focused SoR for a total of 2 weeks, please ask BG how many times our SEA was all over them. I am not here to argue but come on now, your judging everything based on 2 weeks.

I call it how I see it. Play your game, do your thing.

The problem with how you see it is that it’s just the micro-view of the much bigger picture.

To Indo’s philosophy I reply, with all due respect, that’s a rather immature view of competition. You can be feared but respected by your foes. But in light of some of the rampant trolling that takes place, I guess it goes to show how much influence one guy has on the whole population. The rest of us just have to suffer the noise