Guild Wars 2

Morwath.9817:

@Nyx (no quote, because of wall of txt)

I don’t understand. You want compete with Thieves in being… Thieves.
I don’t understand why you want to nerf team support (CC/Interrupts), but not DMG.

Mesmers in orginal GW were kings of disruption. They could shutdown someone completly without killing him rendering him useless for certain amount of time. Imho thats proper direction for Mesmers for PvP and probably one of reasons why Mesmer will get Chronomancer soon. I believe reducing Mesmer DPS/Burst in PvP is way to go, while buffing his team support and disruptive abilities so he could have his own role in teams and purpose, not just be ‘another’ Thief.

Mogar.9216
Main diffrences are:
-> Mesmer has better CC/Team support.
-> Mesmer doesn’t need to be engaged into close combat.
= Mesmer is currently Godlike compared to pre-patch Thief.

Its not about competing with thieves in being thieves, its competing in roaming and +1 ing.

Both classes have very similar roles, just different playstyles and different things they bring to the table. Now with this buff both classes are pretty reasonable in their ability to survive and do their job well. Before the buff mesmer was extremely lacking in survivability, especially since thief was all around better. Most mesmers besides those who are good like helseth needed a good team to be able to play well. Now they can rely on themselves more

Mesmer’s cc is very spamable with mantra and the other lockdown traits. I think that could use a bit of a nerf because spamming is not skillful and shout not be part of being a good mesmer. However traits that increase cc’s and throw them back at people are extremely important for mesmers.

Damage should not be nerfed because the class is meant to burst. I mean you could say the same thing about thief. Let’s let them keep stealth but don’t let them backstab. They can blind and immob a foe but shouldn’t be able to instantly kill them….

You shouldn’t try to change their role in teams because that will just ruin the class…more than it was before. It would just be a neutered guardian or engie.

Purple Miku.7032:

Amineo.8951:

There’s no reason to play Mesmer in PvE now that Guardian can apply quickness every 30s (24s with shout trait).

Very much wrong. Guardian may be good for casual runs but mesmer is by far the superior class for optimization. The time to travel throughout a dungeon path is by far the longest part in most cases.

Hm thats really interesting, i always hear people saying that guardian is better in most dungeons except like arah because of portals.

Maybe i should dust off my pve set

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer burst has never nor will ever be “on demand”.

How so?

jportell.2197:

Mesmer condi clear is still worse than its main competitor (thieves ),

Do you even know how Mantra of Recovery works combined with Mender’s Purity and Hermonious Mantras? Thats 10k healing (with Zerker/Marauder) and 6 cleansed condis every 10 seconds, split in pieces and on instant cast if prepared before combat (7,5k then). What is more, if prepared before combat and eaten during it, MoN is instantly free to cast, because coldown is when -cast- not -consumed-.

jportell.2197:

Our CC is not the “best”. We are the most rewarded for interrupts which requires good timing.

KB, Daze, Stun and Moa? Who can compete with this?

jportell.2197:

If it’s a mental anguish mesmer they have to be able to really land mindwrack when the target isnt doing anything. Which happens how often in this spam fest?

CCed targets doesn’t spam.

jportell.2197:

Now there is the argument of the mesmer clones actually making it to the target to shatter.

CCed targets can’t dodge. Also, Ilussionary Persona was granted for Mesmers for free.

jportell.2197:

Mesmer still cant successfully contest a point against a guard, ele, warrior, or necro.

Nor can Thief.

jportell.2197:

So really the only thing you people have to whine about now is that mesmer can FINALLY compete/outclass a thief when it comes to +1ing fights.

‘+1’ by Thief was considered ‘op’ and necessary to compete.
Outclassing Thief in it is clearly reason to whine.

I see plenty of problems here.
While I could stand -premades vs PuGs- issue for long, I can’t stand it together with Godlike Mesmers.[/quote]

Mesmers burst is not on demand because it takes setup. Yes against a glass enemy while in stealth it can be somewhat on demand, it still takes more cds and more timing than a thiefs burst. In most fights it takes a setup of creating phantasms and chaining them.

Condi clear is worse than thief if you play the normal shatter or the lockdown shatter build (in fact lockdown now has worse condi clear) So yeas you can get more condi clear but you are sacrificing a lot. Thief def has better condi clear.

Our ccs are very good i will not argue. I think the lockdown shatter build is a bit too strong atm, however other classes have very good ccs too. If you need condi clear and dont take mantra of distraction cc is actually worse than an engie or a thief since shatter cd, and moa cast time. So unlike thieves mesmers have to give up condi clear to have great cc.

You make it seem like ccs are never ending from mesmers and there is no way to escape them. The only class that needs to evade a mesmers burst is a thief which has enough stun escape. Yes cc’s are strong but that doesn’t mean it works every time. I mean who doesn’t take a stun break or two in a fight. There are a tone of times i set up a chain to kill someone and stun them just to have them break and dodge the whole damage.

Thief holds points better than mesmer. It’s the whole kittening reason behind d/p instead of d/d. With pistol 5 you can blind and stay on a point for bits at a time to make sure it doesnt get capped. Sure thieves cant hold points indefinitely or as well as tankier classes but they do it better than mesmers.

Thieves and mesmers roles are to +1 fights. They both do it equally well now. Before thieves had a good amount of cc and could enter a fight and down someone very fast. Now mesmer can do the same AND ALSO survive much better.

Ccs can get nerfed a bit, but mesmer is in a fine place. People especially thieves just never saw them as any good in pugs before so now they are scared :P

Swizzle.7982:

Kasteros.9847:

Great Thx for answer and it looks like anet is still kittening their players ^^ and thinking of em as cows that blindly bring em money ^^ sorry guys, it is truth that probably every normal player found out over 2 years ago

But didn’t you make this thread because you WANT the white wings? What is this, an illustrated guide to cognitive dissonance?

top kek

MailMail.6534:

Mesmers are only “out of control” because this is the first time in 3 years Mesmer has had any amount of survivability that didn’t include needing to be baby sat by his entire team. lol ….. By the end of next week, we’ll be back to our usual pitiful state. Just be patient!

This is so true. Mesmer feels like it has so much more survivability especially against thieves. I honestly don’t think it’s as overpowered as people put it, the only people I have one shot have been glass and condi builds are still hard to deal with.

Sure some things need a nerf but please don’t pull mesmer back down to where it used to be just because people are not used to seeing them do this much damage.

They changed everything in this game…and yet couldn’t add in bunny ears ;_;

I haven’t played mesmer in pve in a long time. The last time i played it a couple month’s ago it felt really weak and even though utilities were nice it seemed like having a guard was just overall better.

Has anything changed in this patch pve wise? My main concerns are that reflect time was always subpar to guard, since wardens seem to get killed, and that damage was pretty low.

Also have runes/stats changed at all i.e. assassin’s versus berserker’s with ranger vs scholar vs ??

:o this is cool! thanks for the tip

Kasteros.9847:

also new specs sucks

Had to get that in there right? xD

Yeah 24 hr sale sucks. It’s basically just them saying we need money, since for many people they don’t have enough gold to buy it right away.

But they wont stop doing it because people keep buying them…..

That’s really cute, nice touch anet

Scientia.8924:

There is an invite only pro-White guild that has been around for at least a year. For the most part behave themselves out of fear of being banned, lol.

If guilds that promote race are allowed to exist, so should guilds that promote any sexual orientation, religion, etc. Just don’t kitten other people off

Wait wat…..there is?!?!

smh

Dyvim.8293:

Vayne.8563:

You can change that definition without ramifications. There are plenty of heterosexual couples who are married and abuse their kids, or who are married and neglect their kids, or who are married and don’t have kids. There are divorced couples and plenty of single parents. There are kids who are orphans and not enough people to adopt them.

By making marriage more inclusive, increase the number of families out there that might take some of those orphans and raise them in a loving environment. Sure things might change. They might change for the better.

How naïve, of course there are massive ramifications in this case…but yes we agree, change is both good and bad. The equal rights under the law portion of this, IMO, is good. But the use of the term marriage…no. The redefinition of marriage in stark contrast with tradition and basic biology is illogical.

You do realize that marriage is a social construct not a biological one? How many species of animals stick to one partner for life. Marriage can be defined by whatever a society wants it to be, just like a society can persuade people to buy diamond rings instead of saving for important expenses.

Basic biology would also say that being gay is biological so….

Existencex.9712:

Sublimatio.6981:

didn’t try but necro should still be able to do it

this has absolutely nothing to do with my question

i wouldn’t say absolutely nothing…..

Dashingsteel.3410:

The social “justice” warriors are sure giving the op a bad time with their one word vocabulary…. “bigot” Over and over I see that word popping up… A bigot is someone who can’t tolerate another person’s point of view. This would be more appropriately apply to the politically correct crowd. I mean look at the name “politically correct”. They’ve already assumed their intellectual victory and really don’t want anyone questioning their superior intellect. OP has issue that by gw2 posting that it is representing all players in that post….. well all players don’t agree with the court’s ruling… so would the social “justice” bigots quit harassing the op

While boiling everything wrong with the op down to a single word is lazy, it is bigoted to think that the court’s decision is wrong. It’s ok to say i don’t agree with gay marriage or to have a “religious” qualm against it (although if you do you are wrong :p) but to say you think court’s should be able to deny someone’s basic right to anything is the definition of being a bigot. Bigotry is not close mindedness its close mindedness combined with hatred and intolerance. Thinking someone else is wrong and not listening to their POV is close minded, acting upon that and taking away their rights is bigoted. That’s why social justice bigots are not actually bigots -_-, they’re just pushy.

Also Company’s have every right to post something based on their beliefs, or mainly their owner’s beliefs. They have no duty to represent their consumer, Any conservative would tell you that…. :p

XxSmokedatganjaxX.2948:

Fun? I stopped reading right there. Killing things in 10 secs has more active gameplay than what we had before? Lol

I knew someone would say something like this.

I know now bosses will die very quickly and for some of them it is a bad thing, although the new scaling should balance it out since in lower level dungeons like cm and ac the power increase seemed minimal if at all. But for the most part bosses who die super fast do so because of bad design, like destroyer in coe, who are basically punching bags. But lets take alpha, he has some interesting attacks nothing too complicated. the first 20s of the fight against alpha is fun. Everyones trying to pull off their bursts while not getting killed by his aoe or his ground projectile. However after burst are gone its basically just trying to auto attack him to death faster than he gets healed. Its easy at that point because dodging aoe while autoattacking is not hard or skillful. Its analogous to trying to kill a warrior at 10% health in wuvs with heal signet. However when your bursts actually burst the fight is fun and the active part of the fight, deciding when to channel skills when to dodge etc. etc. are all still there, you just dont have to do the boring part. Isn’t that good? I can try to explain it in more detail but you should jsut try for yourself. And after new break bar comes out and ice bow 5 will not be able to nullify bosses it will be even more fun.

Cyninja.2954:

You do understand though that this is only temporary right?

The amount of damage has nothing to do with the viability of specs currently. It’s all due to the fact that we are back to square 1 and nobody has any idea of what is optimal to run.

While I think the patch is great, the changes open up new possibilities gameplay wise, everyone if up and about testing stuff, I’m not as naive to believe this will last.

Eventually things will settle down, best/fastest combos will have been figured out and people will go back to running a certain set of builds/classes.

tl;dr: the current cluelessness is the main reason for the everything goes (spec wise) attitude, not the actual changes (or only partly).

Yeah i get that, but i think its a good sign. The fact that my group managed to do se, ta, and coe at relatively the same speed give or take 2-4 min with 2 condi necros in se, condi necro and condi ranger in ta, and condi necro in coe today was fun. I know optimizations will come out, but I think its a great that the times we are used to can be achieved with what were be ‘bad comps’.

With the recent patch things are amazing. Dungeons have not been this fun in a very long time. And the reason is that #1 more specs are viable(ish) and #2 bosses melt quickly.

Now for #1 basically my friends who play necro in wvw wanted to try condi builds in pve and found that bleeding did a ton of damage. Our kill times were very quick even with condi specs in our group. However the problem i see here is that Anet does not usually distinguish between pvp and pve even though it should. In PvP and WvW condi specs are very powerful now and may be toned down. But in PvE they still don’t match power specs and could use a little more of a buff or just stay the same

for #2 i know a lot of people hate the fact that bosses melt quickly, but let me explain why i think this is good before anyone jumps to conclusions. Anet has a pattern of designing bosses in dungeons and open world content that are not difficult by any stretch of the imagination but are just tanky with huge health pools. With the disparity (not so much now) between class damage this meant that certain comps took a lot longer to kill bosses and even with perfect comp without perfect buffs it would take a pretty long time to kill them. And it wasnt fun for most people because of how tedious it became. Examples of this are HOTW p1 bosses besides cave troll, one who has invuln phases and is tanky, the other one is tanky and has reflect and has prot retal and regen totem. Another example is the ice boss in p1 of COE that you have to lure to electrified pillars. These bosses were tedious and not fun because they didn’t require skill but rather required time. And time =/= difficulty or enjoyment. This relates back to kill times in the new patch because with how fast bosses are melting it makes it more fun for bad comps to fight against these bosses since it wont take super long, and also it may push Anet to instead of trying to nerf speed of kills, create interesting and difficult mechanics that will force people to play skillfully to kill bosses quickly.

With the new break bars that will be coming in HoT it seems they are going in this direction (ice bow 5 nerf basically). Hopefully they allow us to retain the amazing amount of damage we get to do, does anyone not enjoy seeing huge numbers and melting bosses, but create encounters that actually challenge us and make us better at the game.

My 2 cents hoping that nerfs arent too bad. GJ on the new patch Anet

It’s definitely a bug. If you do four hs in a black powder field and then backstab in the air you get revealed debuff and stealth buff at the same time.

Anyways seems stupid. The hard counter to thieves is guards, and condi guards have become super aids with this patch. Guards win now by being able to blind a thief and have aegis up.

Not to say thief isn’t super strong now, just that this mechanic is bad especially for 1v1s. I can see this as somewhat of a balance in team fights, if you miss a backstab you have to get out of there kind of thing, but in 1v1s its stupid.

I was spectating some friends dueling and i crashed twice trying to see their traits. After about 15 min of watching without a problem (not touching traits), I clicked on one of their names to swap cameras and crashed again.

Not sure if it’s just me, hope it gets resolved if it is a problem.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Nyx.7342:

Who else saw this coming?

I think they should come up with something cool to give to people who pay the extra 25 or 50$ in replacement of the extra char slot. Something better than title and a mini but less than or equal to a char slot.

I really think we need to just let it go. You’re getting two slots. You can say you don’t need them, or what them, and while some of you will legitimately not use them, a bunch, maybe even most of you probably will. So quit trying to weasel every little thing out of them and let it be.

xD im not even preordering nor am i going to pay more than 50$ i just mean that as WP and many others have said the collector’s edtitions are not that great for a game and I think anet could make something creative to give to the people who bought them.

Who else saw this coming?

I think they should come up with something cool to give to people who pay the extra 25 or 50$ in replacement of the extra char slot. Something better than title and a mini but less than or equal to a char slot.

Hm i feel like it might be hard to add effects to these. Not to say that they don’t deserve effects, confetti on quip phantasm wouldn’t be so bad, same with iswordsman but phantasms are already pretty glittery so people might complain about adding more effects to them.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

Thing about Dragons Tooth and Comet is:
1. Camera facing, based on terrain you will have to aim either up or down while casting.
2. Walking forward or backwards before casting it.
Basically, aim up/down, walk a tiny bit backwards or forward and cast it. After cast has finished you can move cam back to normal.
Now difference between Dragons tooth and comet is, d tooth has a rly short cast time so you don’t have to face up/down long while Coment has a longer cast time.
So make sure your camera is facing up/down during the full cast then it’ll land in front of u.
Vid if u want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzbaYpIHp2Y

I must say that was a sexy video….Idk why but i really enjoy watching people might stack smoothly

Solo.9027:

typical anet:
1. make a horrible decision
2. let it fester and release no info
3. randomly implement major fix
4. collect praise

i’ll wait till they cave on HoT pricing/features before i reinstall

It does somehow make the praise louder, but after so many repeats its getting a bit tedious :p

Yup id rather not risk taking an engie pug even tho i <3 engies.
Although i do get more annoyed with kittenty thieves than kittenty engies :/

ZZZZ was a simple question since i deleted it like less than 24 hours ago. Not asking they refund me for every piece I’ve ever deleted…..

Just wondering I sometimes delete ascended armor I get from fractals that have useless stats. Just yesterday I deleted two pieces of heavy armor (stats that I dont need) and today i found out that they were allowing us to change stats sometime soon. Does support offer replacements for things like this? I know when people salvage precruors sometimes they can get that fixed or at least I’ve heard and this is pretty similar….

Also why would i want more brahams to cc the boss before i can….

this is……just stupid

Vayne.8563:

There’s ample evidence floating around that Anet has been listening to us all along. That doesn’t mean they kowtow to every demand, however. Listening is not obeying. Just ask my wife.

PvE content is buggy and not great. WvW is buggy and not great. PvP is imbalanced and not great. PvP is getting a non PvP game mode. PvP ladders have not been fixed. Lupicus is still bugged. Fractal rewards have been kitten…..

Look i get a lot of people like this game and heck i do too. But i haven’t seen anything to make me believe that HoT will have better development, that it is going to be an answer to all my concerns/communities concerns.

At the end of the day complaining > not complaining. It may change their minds, it may make them listen more and that’s all the is important. The fact that this many people are astonished at this price just make it obvious that it isn’t the right price or that Anet is doing something, or a lot of things, wrong.

Zefiris.8297:

" are any indication, that’s a bare-minimum loss of $78k,"

Just like the massive steal community boycotting a certain game were PROVING that the company would lose hundreds of thousands in sales!

On day one, all of them were playing that game. Over steam. In other words, they buy it.

People complaining often actually buy it anyway.

This…The problem with this expansion is just that. It’s an expansion. Most everyone still playing will buy the game. I personally do not want to buy the game, but i probably will because i have good friends in the game who i enjoy playing with. And that’s why i feel shafted by this price since Anet knows we will pay it.

But don’t prepurchase please because…well just watch boogie’s video

ivoboon.2034:

This still needs to be fixed.

(Maybe pre-purchasing the HoT ULTIMATE edition will fix it?)

Well since we are purchasing the base game again….can we at least get the bugs fixed in it?

skowcia.8257:

Frightlight.3796:

support the game

Theres no reason for pvper to support this game for the joke balance decisions (buffed engi, mes and thief, nerfed necro into delete state) and poor matchmaking along with removal of soloq and other stuff.

I think it’d be good if Anet would support the game as well … heh

or just lower the price…….

Cerpin.9152:

If bunny ears would be confirmed, I would consider buying the Ultimate Edition …
Without them? Nope.
What use are gems, if you can’t buy what you really want…?

Id pay 20$ more than the ultimate ultimate edition for the collector’s bunny ear’s supreme edition (would not be mad with hipster glasses and cat ears as well)

Mordalus.8146:

Tirien.1326:

Pickles.9436:

So, although people bought gw2 for cheap to get into the game, they could’ve waited this whole time to just buy the expansion and get the core game for free….

Just wow….

As for people who bought the game from the beginning, we basically are buying the whole game all over again.

I don’t think words can express how much of a rip off this is…

Yeah 50$ for a game you played for 2-3 years and another 50$ to get the expansion and the core game as a BONUS.
You don’t even know what a rip off is, young one.

You obviously didn’t support the cash shop. For people that did, this doesn’t seem like such a great value. Anet should discount HoT for cash shop supporters.

2 years ago:
Anet – Guys we need more money from the cash shop to fund LS please pay us. (disclaimer: we still have no subscription fee)

6 months ago:
Anet- Guys we can’t produce anymore real content until HoT drops. No SAB, no bunny ears or aviators, and no LS. But we will keep releasing cash shop content because we need you to fund HoT and keep us alive. (disclaimer: we still do NOT have a subscription fee)

Today:
Anet- Guys just give us 50$ for half a game please….we promise we will deliver more content and balance updates with no subscription fee. (disclaimer: funding from gem store is not and will not be considered as real funding, but please do continue to purchase gems)

Celtic Lady.3729:

Map chat in DR sounded a lot like this forum, actually…

No one i know is happy about the price…then again i game with people who have actual jobs, lives, family, and value money, some of whom have tight incomes.

ArrogantHero.4965:

Nyx.7342:

Just because you spend x amount of dollars on something regularly does not mean you should buy something overpriced. Yeah sure I buy a cup of coffee everyday that costs about 2$. I could buy this chair i want for 600$ and just say, oh that’s only 300 days worth of coffee, but wouldn’t that be stupid especially if the cost of the chair was overpriced?

If you don’t agree with the price of something, you shouldn’t buy it and you have a right to complain about it especially since this isn’t a full expansion and it’s something that for many of us is unavoidable. It’s not like we are new customers who are purchasing a product for the first time. If that were the case then yeah dont buy it. But since we already are part of gw2 this expansion at this price is basically screwing us over….

There is some merit to what you are saying, but a whole bunch of you are being DRAMA QUEENS. You all want a price drop that is like a 20-30 dollar difference. MOST of you PROBABLY spend hundreds, some of you thousands on video games every year. What’s $30 compared to that?!

I spend like 30$ in the gem store this year, that’s it. The only other game i play is cs go which was 5$ when i bought it. So for me paying 50$ isn’t that much in terms of money, but in terms of games it is. I mean who am i kidding, i will probably buy the expac if it stays at 50$ but i won’t do it quietly. The price is just…wrong.

Also a lot of people forget that these 10$ weekend sales have led many people to buy alt accounts since you cant play on both na and eu and you cant wvw on different servers. So for those people paying 50$ for each account is a lot.

Just because you spend x amount of dollars on something regularly does not mean you should buy something overpriced. Yeah sure I buy a cup of coffee everyday that costs about 2$. I could buy this chair i want for 600$ and just say, oh that’s only 300 days worth of coffee, but wouldn’t that be stupid especially if the cost of the chair was overpriced?

If you don’t agree with the price of something, you shouldn’t buy it and you have a right to complain about it especially since this isn’t a full expansion and it’s something that for many of us is unavoidable. It’s not like we are new customers who are purchasing a product for the first time. If that were the case then yeah dont buy it. But since we already are part of gw2 this expansion at this price is basically screwing us over….

50$ without extra char slot…..

better have another sale for just expac

Or how about rewarding fractal content with skins and ascended drops that let you pick what you want?…….maybe then there would be some use in doing them

who wins the balance? engies. Already really strong and enjoyable, now more strong and interesting. Friend told me about 6 months ago that the balance devs were ahem, not smart about changes and turns out even tho i didnt believe him then, i believe him now. Movement changes, buffs to already really strong classes….its like wtf are they doing.

But props on mesmer changes

savacli.8172:

EcoRI.9273:

Ultra casuals play how they want. All welcome groups fill super fast. People that run berserker and are pugging to force people to run berserker, that I don’t understand. It’s better to join a dungeon guild at that point.

^ This

The same LFG folks that are writing a mini novel worth of requirements are the “meta-zerk heads” that have given pugging a bad taste. In all honestly with such high requirements they need to be in a guild rather than forcing that upon the rest of the community.

I do agree though that groups that list themselves as casual or “everyone welcome runs” are generally going to be the best to work with: low pressure, generally positive attitudes, etc. Sure, it may not be done at top speed (gasp), but you’ll walk away still wanting to play the game.

I usually have to pug to get one or two people and the only time i really ask for specific classes if i want the run to be fast or its higher fractals. besides that I just put in zerk since at least it somewhat filters “better” people in. In fact I met most of my friends either through pugging since our runs are usually enjoyable.

Before I met the friends i have in the game i pugged everytime i did a dungeon and usually just joined zerk groups. Rarely have i had a bad experience since the runs are usually pug fast and the people are generally nice. Most people I see post zerk just as a half measure to at least get 75% of the party as full zerk and somewhat experienced.

On the other hand some of the “everyone welcome” parties are pretty bad experiences. Not to say that zerker parties aren’t since the kittens who asks for gear links or are super specific and accuse people when the run isnt going well are much worse. But In the dungeon runs I’ve done with “accepting” groups things end up going pretty poorly if its a moderately difficult dungeon and when it starts taking forever or people start wiping its just a horrible experience.

So not all pugs asking for zerk are bad, and not all welcoming parties are great. As far as my own pugging methods and what i have seen, a majority of people asking for zerk pugs probably don’t care if you are running an easier build or using valk they just want a damage oriented group.

(And ive seen a ton of people from dungeon guilds lfg’ing with zerker requirements and some of them have been real kittens. Obviously guilds dont entirely solve the problem of not having enough members.)

I constantly find myself having to tell friends our party has no more spaces, or that i will play with them later which ends up meaning i dont get to play with them at all since they get busy as well. I feel like for a game that centers around parties and guilds, there needs to be some content that allows for parties up to or above 10 people. I know the whole raid discussion has been going on but this could also be applied to guild missions and to open world maps. It would be so much fun to have your whole guild in one party, or at least manage to get more than 4 guild members in one party with you. Also SW would be way more fun if you could do it with a larger organized group.

im not sure if larger parties/ content catering to them will come but i really hope it does. It would make the game that much more enjoyable

IDK if i agree with all of your points, but i have to say as someone who plays thief mainly the class is really easy mode in most situations. Im not saying being a good thief is easy, just that you can help out your team a lot without much risk.

Panic strike should go away for sure, idk about your other points atm.

Maris.3164:

From my personal point of view: I main a thief, I play pvp (and pve). I have never ever had any trouble against thieves on my thief or other professions (including a power necro). Yes, on occasion a good thief kills me on w/e profession I am playing at the time. Good for them, they outplayed me, just like any other good player with another class could have.

But most of the time thieves don’t even offer much of a challenge, not alone at least. OP why do you think that is? I’m not a super good player, average at best. I think it’s because I know what they can do so I can predict their moves to some degree. And ironically, my thief seems to be the most vulnerable against a thief.

Thief is meant to excell at 1v1, but cannot contribute much in a bigger fight, something the other professions can do. Mobility is the sole reason thieves are even in the meta still, they can turn 1v1 into 2v1 faster than any other profession (aside from a mesmer with portal). Take that away and you will see thieves in pvp no more. Stealth is not invulnerability and neither is mobility, you can still cc them and hit them through stealth.

Thieves contribution to big fights is tremendously important. They can pop in and out and kill other low target or enemy dps quickly without anyone seeing it come. Its ridiculous to say they aren’t extremely strong in teams.

And most thieves suck out there, but that doesnt mean the class isnt broken. Although i don’t think its as broken as TEEF TEEF TEEF TEEF says it is but it definitely isn’t the high skill cap, huge risk, huge reward class it used to/ should be

lighter.2708:

skowcia.8257:

Well the OP mains warrior so its a quite nice buff for him. These changes are horrible and if they make it live all movement skills like rush need to be treated as rtl and give them double cd if they wont hit anything. I am fed up with thieves escaping from a losing fight, now i am supposed to watch baddie war escaping as well? The history repeats itself, first was ele who rtl away to be back within few seconds at full hp, now gs warriors will take that role running in/out at will.

Finally People be able to use mobility skills to disengage!? how unacceptable!
i’m sorry not everyone has 20 weapon skills and each skill have distinct usage so 2x CD on one skill can be less impactful for them.

Mobility skills should be able to disengage, if your enemy doesn’t manage to catch you. However, even at the moment certain classes have an insane ability to run away, thieves, and mainly warriors. Warriors are more of an issue in my eyes since they are tanky, have great damage, and can also escape most situations. It’s frustrating in wuvs or pvp to try and chase down a warrior with condi clears, leaps, and gs skills. This will just make it easier for them to escape.

Its a stupid thing to do. Counterplay to a bad situation was using swiftness and spamming mobility skills to get away. Counterplay to runners was to use conditions to slow them down to catch up easier. Now both are gone.

(the reason i don’t include thieves into the list is because they are squishy as heck so their ability to disengage is in lieu of that)

Laraley.7695:

Nyx.7342:

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

Skeletor.9360:

I agree completely! That is why everyone is a mesmer!

Wait…um no they are not and actually there are not that many….

nuff said.

I beleive we had established no one plays a mesmer because a thief eats mesmers. The competitive players have mostly abandoned mesmer because there is almost always a theif. You see some still compete in tourneys. Helseth looked pretty good today but helseth is well… helseth.

Yes, mesmers are horrible, that’s why one is going to WTS.

I’m not saying mesmers aren’t good…

You’re just suggesting no one plays them. It’s not like the class is not viable, it is.

Its viable but its one of the hardest classes, if not the hardest class to play. Which is why not that many people play it competitively. Helseth plays like almost no one else which is why he can handle it in WTS

I cannot agree with that. I’m not saying mesmer is easy, but I wouldn’t say it’s the hardest thing to play. Imo, it’s thief even though the class gets so much kitten on forums. But if you talk competitively, then thief has a very hard time against every meta spec. Then again, people play it, so it’s probably not because it’s hard to play.

Hm i play thief and mesmer only. Im extremely mediocre at mesmer, but i am/ used to be pretty good at teef. Yes teef has a hard time against meta specs but that is because a teefs job isn’t to 1v1 except against mesmers and other thieves. They are supposed to plus one fights and burst down on low targets. They are extremely good at that and in those situations being a thief is not that hard. You can easily jump into and out of fights and you have stealth any time you want in order to peel off. Mesmer on the other hand has the exact same role, yet is not as good at it because they have a harder time peeling off and don’t have nearly as much stealth. I will agree thief is hard in 1v1s against meta builds and that against some classes mesmer can 1v1 pretty well, but in competitive play mesmer is definitely a harder class to pull off. Honestly in general mesmer is a harder class to pull off since out of most classes in this game. I dont really care if it is scientifically proven that mesmer isnt the hardest, but from my experiences trying to relearn mesmer, it is definitely one of the hardest classes ive played, definitely harder than thief.

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

Skeletor.9360:

I agree completely! That is why everyone is a mesmer!

Wait…um no they are not and actually there are not that many….

nuff said.

I beleive we had established no one plays a mesmer because a thief eats mesmers. The competitive players have mostly abandoned mesmer because there is almost always a theif. You see some still compete in tourneys. Helseth looked pretty good today but helseth is well… helseth.

Yes, mesmers are horrible, that’s why one is going to WTS.

I’m not saying mesmers aren’t good…

You’re just suggesting no one plays them. It’s not like the class is not viable, it is.

Its viable but its one of the hardest classes, if not the hardest class to play. Which is why not that many people play it competitively. Helseth plays like almost no one else which is why he can handle it in WTS

Nice job!

I love seeing mesmer skips, and portal tricks!

Or crafting! its not as good as it used to be, but you can get like 20 something levels from 3 or 4 crafts for 20g or less