Or am I destined to be poor every time I return to the game as I do not enjoy spending hours in a farm loop.
If you don’t convert gold to gems, you won’t be poor. Nothing in the gemstore is anything people need to play. If your THAT casual a player, you should be in that group of people that don’t even care about what’s in the gemstore.
Depends how much your REAL money is worth to you. It’s certainly fair if you don’t want to spend your real money on the game.
I agree, out of all the classes guardian is most defensive. But it doesnt feel like a whole hearted attempt to be a defensive class.
Your perception is correct. It doesn’t feel like that because the impact that being defensive has in PVE is less tangible than being offensive. I don’t think it’s half-hearted; It seems that the aim of the devs was achieved when planning out the class and it’s tools; it feels like a good balance for the class itself.
I do agree it falls a little flat because PVE is focused on killing stuff and every class has enough of their own support/heals to be able to play without reliance on ours. I think where the Guardian really shines with their toolset is if you are engineering your PVE teams so all aspects of defense and offense are covered in the whole team make up. In that case, Guardian can bring many things that free up other classes skill bars/traits with better goodies. That still leaves us short on DPS in some cases but … that’s how the class is defined.
^^ I typically see this and faceplam … you’re inability to efficiently source your materials is not a reason to make it easier to get them.
For example .. you needed Cayenne peppers and you ran around for HOURS getting 2? Do you realize that you could have made the 9 silver they cost to buy off TP in a 15 minute round of Orr trash farming? The problem here isn’t that there is a lack of nodes dropping peppers ….
Of all the classes I have played, this is the class MOST designed to be defensive and protect others. There are ways to do that other than holding agg and being a meatshield like olders games tend to do.
^^ You missed his point completely … the price is going to go down. It’s only expensive if you choose to buy your mats to make your armor ASAP.
Gathering 10,000 silk scraps would take an insane amount of time. Like I’ve said before I’ve been accumulating them for months ever since it became obvious that ascended armor was coming and what the requirement were likely to be and I haven’t got even half of that.
His point still stands and is valid. You can wait for the price to come down to something more reasonable, and it will.
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I was having a think on this one. I love/hate it: I get you are stacking symbols for max damage potential and supporting boons. It’s smart. It’s a busy build and doesn’t make use of the mace multiplier. That’s unfortunate.
I question the spread of stat categories on your gear. Is there any particular reason you split your trinkets and Armor across the different stat categories? It’s not wrong, but I’m wondering if you have a practical reason.
Personally, I would have grouped all my zerker in trinkets and made some or all of the zerker armor into clerics. Why? because trinkets are ‘more expensive’ and therefore, I don’t like swapping them as much between builds. Armor tends to be more fixed for a build, especially if you use runes. I would probably tried to group something more like this:
Weapons: Clerics
Armor: Celestical, Clerics
Trinkets: Zerk
I probably would tweak your build to something more like this to suit me:
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I presume it was removed because there are too many stickies ATM. The guide itself was full of awesome information.
This thread is like a timewarp to when RPG were on disks and C64. Don’t like something? Edit the hex code.
^^ You missed his point completely … the price is going to go down. It’s only expensive if you choose to buy your mats to make your armor ASAP.
^^ Exactly … that’s why it’s silly to think the devs didn’t read this thread simply because it’s not moderated and assume the devs don’t care about the class or what we have to say based on that.
Personally, I would prefer they don’t post and solicit us … so I don’t feel like “WTF happened there?”
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Best for Damage I’m assuming? Without the big math explanation, the best damage will simply come from full zerker gear. Assassins might be close but the overall damage loss due to lower power on it is higher than the damage gain from the extra precision. The only argument to mix zerker and assassin is to proc rune/sigil effects more often, but even then, it’s not that significant an increase.
This might not be directly related to your questions but it’s a good read if you are asking yourself how to balance your damage output between Power and Precision. I think this might help you out if you are able to follow the math:
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On this we can agree. If people just stick to playing with groups of like-minded players, threads like this would be considered ridiculous.
2 totally different ways of playing the game.. both of which are valid but it is rude to waste people’s time If they are not of the same opinion as you.
Equally as rude to rush people, degrading their game experience if they are not of the same opinion. It works BOTH ways.
I feel the same, but some people post here with the ultimate in sensational nonsense (Devs do care about the class, Guardian is not a ‘broken’ class by any means, etc…). That never helps anything.
What we got in return is what no one wanted and what the designer said wasn’t going to be good enough. So how does one digest that? Not well I’d wager. I’m sure you have or maybe have a great memory, but go back and read the post, then follow up suggestions.
I agree, but what I’m pointing out is that devs aren’t obligated to post and it’s a fallacy that devs aren’t paying attention to players just because they haven’t taken action on the forums. It’s easy to conclude we are being ignored but it’s never done on a whim … there is a reason they didn’t implement our ideas. They have a direction they feel they have to follow. That’s their job.
What about stuff like “We’ll have a discussion about the damage of shattered aegis soon” and then nothing? How does that play into your line of thought?
Devs decided to not do it? Their agenda changed? Someone got hit by a bus? That’s pretty much my point … any dev presence you see here isn’t a requirement … it’s a courtesy. They don’t need us to do their job.
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What we got in return is what no one wanted and what the designer said wasn’t going to be good enough. So how does one digest that? Not well I’d wager. I’m sure you have or maybe have a great memory, but go back and read the post, then follow up suggestions.
I agree, but what I’m pointing out is that devs aren’t obligated to post and it’s a fallacy that devs aren’t paying attention to players just because they haven’t taken action on the forums. It’s easy to conclude we are being ignored but it’s never done on a whim … there is a reason they didn’t implement our ideas. They have a direction they feel they have to follow. That’s their job.
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There are things for sure broken. That’s not debated. But to claim the class itself is broken .. in a TEAM environment, where it shines? Please.
The only error is that you didn’t get silk when it was worthless for the last 3 months that we had advanced notice that Ascended armor was coming.
But GS is superior even if 2 and 5 won´t hit multiple times. GS+Sword rotation is still the best.
Sword AA is only about 5% better then GS AA + WW + Symbol + bindig blade (can hit multiple times) the sword alone can´t be better.
Can anyone with the excel damage calculator confirm is GS+Sword is still the top damage now that sword damage multiplier is 10%?
^^ Really? Can you tell us what is broken about Guardians when teamed? I’m not sure that’s an objective statement.
While I agree with the overall sentiment of the thread, it’s unfortunate that this has lead to a stagnation of the deficient aspects of the class that would make it more fun and engaging. Spirit weapons for instance.
The point of my comment is that the fact that this thread hasn’t been closed means it hasn’t been read.
That’s a poor assumption. Devs can read bad feedback and not ask for the thread to be moderated … Again, they already know people are unhappy with changes. It’s part of their job. Why would they bother with yet ANOTHER thread like this one? They don’t need to.
I get your play here … convince people that Guardians are ignored because devs don’t ‘interact enough’ with us, start a revolution and then ???. That’s just not a rational approach. Think about their livelihood and what it depends on … then come back and OBJECTIVELY tell us they don’t care. Sounds foolish now right?
A more realistic scenario … their isn’t actually anything of value in this thread they need to respond to. People are unhappy, end of story. They aren’t paid to surf the forums and respond to all the vitriol.
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If a group of these non-zerker builds were to do the same dungeon tour my guild does, they would finish hours after we finished.
… and so?? You see the problem here is very fundamental and is based on an unreasonable exception by a certain group of like-minded players. I will waste my time trying to explain it to you because I think it’s worth it at this point, but I don’t think you will buy into it:
Everyone gets value from playing the game. Everyone is different so everyone values different things when they play and by different amounts. It’s common for a group of people who share values to ‘attract’ each other and play together. The problem starts when Group A try to assimilate Group B with non-compelling arguments that Group A’s values are morally superior to Group B’s. That falls apart when all players, regardless of their values STILL get the experience they are looking for from the game. That’s what is happening here.
No one will ever be able to convince a person that doesn’t value efficient runs that the way they play the game is ‘wrong’ when that person can still play and feel accomplished regardless of their gear. It’s the most absurd concept in gaming I’ve ever seen. I can only assume it’s some throwback from people migrating over from WoW. GW2 isn’t WoW, it doesn’t cater to competitive PVE’s AT ALL. If it bugs you that much that ‘amateur’ players cramp your style ingame by extending a dungeon a few minutes, you should really re-think your motivation to play entirely.
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Probably because it needs neither. This might be a crazy concept some of you but … Anet doesn’t actually NEED to communicate with the players and likely thinks Guardian is right where they want it, despite some of the shortcomings of the class. This is evident by the miniscule changes we seen in the last patch. People have to learn to read between the lines when it comes to MMO development and Dev forum posts.
Free lesson: Devs not posting here != hate for the class.
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Even with +5 stats for a choose stat … It’s pretty weak. Think about what 30 of anything gets you for the cost. 30 precision is going to raise your crit chance 1% for example.
There were some database items linked to a scavenger hunt that I seen in a data mining release but that’s it. I’s enough though … seems their is some work on it.
They are also not punished because to new players, 4 logs per plank IS the norm. If anything, it’s more a punishment for old players.
Is it just me or is this “Zerker only or leave” thing only on official forums?
Almost 1000 hour total playtime and no one has ever asked me to ping my gear.
Weird.
Pretty much, because it’s the only place that gives competitive PVE players a voice. Gear matters little when it comes to successful PVE encounters. We all know this.
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You’re not the only person in the game that isn’t a pro player, despite how easy some people will tell you it is to avoid damage. The bottom line is that the stat jump from exotic to ascended armor isn’t even really worth the trouble anyways.
It’s enough time to make you realize you are wasting your time crafting it.
No reason to complain here. If you don’t like the small increases, Anet has made it REALLY easy to convince you to not make it.
However you cut it, the Ascended gear that makes a difference is accessible to everyone, even very casual players. There isn’t a valid complaint here. This might offend some sensibilities but … it’s not about what is fair. If your level of play only allows you to outfit yourself in a lower tier of stuff that’s not the game’s problem or Anet’s, it’s yours. People need to stop setting themselves up to blame gear for their failure or lack of success.
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Why are you acting so entitled? Why in the world would you think that you should be able to have Best-in-Slot gear by the time you reach level 80? /s
He didn’t say that at all. Seems like you are looking for an argument. I get his point but even as a casual, it’s not hard to deck out in Ascended trinkets and over some months, a weapon as well. Armor will likely be out of reach though.
Maybe that’s a good idea but … if people actually looked at the stats increase over exotic, maybe they wouldn’t be cluelessly crafting it for WvW to begin with or even care if you could transfer it between characters on the same account. IIRC, the stat difference is pretty worthless.
In no way does the method for obtaining this armor punish ‘dedicated’ players. Silly.
Someone forgot you can do stuff in Exotic armor. It is YOUR choice to gear up any number of characters you want. You aren’t being forced to do it. In fact, the idea that fractal level is account wide is a BLESSING for people with 8 characters.
Seriously … OP complains it’s too much cost but then complains about time gated mats … which FORCES you to wait and enables you to get more gold to solve problem #1 … What a serendipitous coincidence :/
Entitled much?
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If that was the case, why did he even approach the community asking if ‘his child was ugly’?
If I had to guess I’d say just to get a pulse. If the code was set in play or the patch it may have been too little too late with too much data (our response, thoughts, ideas, comments, or feedback) for them to actually do anything.
That is about the only thing I think could have possibly happened. Ask a question, take the pulse, then collect the data and review it. It may take time, but at least they have it and may use it down the road. I don’t have anything else. I mean I went back and read some of the initial discussion in his post and most people flat out said bad idea why not think of X, Y, or Zed…
I guess my response to that is … getting a pulse is a none-to-weak approach for collaborative development.
I already expressed my opinions the first time I seen those changes proposed over a month ago … and Anet was listening at the time as well.
Seems …. worthless increase considering the cost to craft. I’m assuming you can put infusions in them at the very least?
If that was the case, why did he even approach the community asking if ‘his child was ugly’?
Not like I’m going to get it, but I would love an explanation/summary of what they did with the feedback we gave them because it didn’t seem to influence changes for this patch … even though we were DIRECTLY solicited for that feedback with the guise it could change things going into this patch.
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Traveller’s runes ftw.
Unfortunately, anet have said they want to diversify builds via runes and sigils.
Eg condi guard may want to use runes / sigil of torment.Nah.
It’s funny they want to diversify builds but do the opposite by making specific weapons preferred for certain builds.
The best use I found for mace is not something commonly discussed. I know it’s not popular or cool to do this but … mace is great for farming Orr trash. In fact, I think it might be not far behind GS for that. You get upfront symbol on good recharge with decent speed and damage from #1 using a strong build focused on farming trash with it as well; 10/30/20/0/5.
The important thing for trash farming is how much damage you can bring at the beginning of the 3-4 second fight. Mace isn’t the highest damage but it can do that better than any other weapon we have.
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^^ I hate to say it but, yeah. Especially since Anet made a specific effort to get that feedback for Rad 20 sword buff thinking they were going down the wrong path with it. I can’t really understand why they would do that.
I guess a good question is … did they change any of their ideas for other professions based on player feedback? If not, I don’t feel as let down but if they did …
His point is valid … what is the value in playing in groups that don’t all help each other out? If you aren’t, no buff or different SoS is going to matter. Changes to SoS are actually good because they ENCOURAGE good group behaviour. In otherwords, it separates people that know what to do from people that just mash buttons. It’s a skill-separator.
I’m not thrilled or disappointed with the changes … we knew about them for months. But …
Dear Anet,
You had reservations for increasing to10% damage increase in Radiance 20. YOu approached the community, which offered an honest discussion, yet in the end, you just implemented the original idea in the first place? Can you provide some closure on why ideas that even you question as useful are being implemented for this class?
Sincerely,
Confused over weak decisions.
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I do craft them because I have no choice, that doesn’t mean I support the lack of options.
Your dodging the question … You can craft, you can raid or you can decide you don’t need ascended weapons. What other option or choice do you want to see that isn’t ingame yet?
Anyone can complain but how can anyone take you seriously if you haven’t thought of what you would like as an alternative?
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We are asking for reasonable options not free stuff.
You have options. They aren’t unreasonable just because you choose to not like them. You need to quantify this statement to have any chance of being taken seriously.
Again, what are you willing to do for an Ascended because apparently, crafting and raiding are unreasonable?
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I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff
No-one is demanding free stuff.
It’s as reasonable an assumption as suggesting to make crafting unnecessary. My problem with these threads is this … the option of raiding to get an ascended weapon is inline with crafting it, yet you are saying it’s not an option to raid for one and you don’t want to craft to get it.
Are you willing to do anything to get an ascended weapon considering what is needed to get it through the already established methods?
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You seem to be not understanding a fundamental aspect of the game. There are lots of gear choices because nothing in the game is limited by what gear you have. Full exotics is more than sufficient for everything. So if someone isn’t willing to work with the existing methods to get ascended gear, the solution isn’t to remove a massive part of the game and demand to ‘just give me what I want’, the solution is that you go without those things, still being able to complete content as you did before ascended was available.
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Um, the concern doesn’t make alot of sense … I PREFER to craft my gear instead of being forced to do other content to get them. I think the situation as it is now makes alot of sense .. you can craft OR do dungeons, etc.. to get things, including ascended.
Not effectively cause the drop rate is too low plus the fact of getting the stats you want. I want choice and the situation now is effectively no choice at all.
Unless you have some numbers to back that up, it’s subjective. The fact is that you DO have choices in this game for gear, LOTS of them.