Guild Wars 2

only in hearts of the mist, wherein you cant commune

however in PvE maps, you can still commune under stealth

uhm i think i remember that the actual range of the short bow is 1100, i forgot what thread it is in

HELLruler.4820:

If I got the idea, you want more kits for each weapon. That would be great imo, won’t happen though
Btw, Granado Espada has that system just like the pic showed us

yep granado espada is the name of that game, wherein the elementalist is a formidable foe with an insane amount of stances given to a single weapon

can i equip this items in this scenario?

ettin band + ettin band (infused)

(i know that two items of the same name cant be equipped)

thanks for answering

i think there are several threads like this already, nevertheless i plea for consideration

i do want to have consistency in my stats in land and in water,

BlackhawkSOM.6401:

What you can do is infuse one of the rings so you can use both. In the mean time you can just save up for another ring. GL

really? i did not know this, meaning if i have two ettin band rings, to use both, i should infuse the other one to equip both?

indeed, BV + lyssa, is a good utlity combination, for escaping and for assaulting enemies,

but i really do hope BV is insta cast,

i have another outlook/pov about BV, i use it as a God mode buff using runes of lyssa,

i tried to follow one of the guides here, and it is quite nice for a change

Burnfall.9573:

To begin, I’ve always asked myself Why would a Thief use Stealth in this game? Thief doesn’t Stealth. Why would they? . I can not find any Mmo’s where a Thief uses Stealth abilities. The Only Class which fits that Profile and Attributes is Ninja a.k.a Nin.
I found an interesting info. about Ninja Stealth.
http://www.cart-white.co.uk/ninja/stealth.htm

Ninja fits your Profile and Attributes Perfectly except with the Nerfs.
So if you are concerned about Stealth being Nerfed or Crippled after this patch, why Not Ask For A Ninja Class? or to be Replaced by a Ninja Class?, Than you can have all the Stealth’s etc.. you want.

with itching curiosity, i did a little research (with the help of my friend google) about the word “stealth” and its etymology

the word stealth was originally used to define “as the act of thievery/stealing others’ priced possession”, in 13th century

so in that regard, stealth + thief + steal is in perfect harmony

XMUFFIN.6532:

This new change adding 1s to revealed has really annoyed and ruined my rotation then made my thief unplayable.
My thiefs only last hope, trying to find a new build where I have almost endless dodge.

endless dodge is somewhat attainable, if you will invest in certain traitlines and add a signet that will return your full endurance

specially if you will gear towards condi damage and utilize superior rune of the adventurer

so no more 10 laurels even if i finish my pvp monthly today?

can you change this to work like sb#3 that doesnt need an enemy to leap backwards

and to top it of add an evade feature to it, thanks

Burnfall.9573:

To begin, I’ve always asked myself Why would a Thief use Stealth in this game? Thief doesn’t Stealth. Why would they? . I can not find any Mmo’s where a Thief uses Stealth abilities. The Only Class which fits that Profile and Attributes is Ninja a.k.a Nin.
I found an interesting info. about Ninja Stealth.
http://www.cart-white.co.uk/ninja/stealth.htm

So if you are concerned about Stealth being Nerfed or Crippled after this patch, why Not Ask For A Ninja Class? or to be Replaced by a Ninja Class?, Than you can have all the Stealth’s you want.

just to answer if there is an mmo that makes thief stealth, one of the old games, ragnarok online

when ever i think of stances, i only think of one game

maybe the op wants this to be implemented in gw2 as well (i really like it also to be implemented)

in this pic/game the sniper using a bayonet and has 4 stances, each stances has 5 abilities

first stance is a standing shot where blinding and knockbacks are the main

second stance kneeling shot wherein you cannot move, but has a precised strikes

third is defensive bayonet wherein most skills are melee range

last is assassin stance wherein you lie on the floor using stealth tactics so you cannot be easily targeted

im not really a fan of glowing things,

can they make a simple yet sophisticated weapon skins,

(its like they are making us to have a skritt like mentality “ohhh shinnies”)

Dragikitten20:

but did you look at what we gained with the hidden nerf every attack is a bleed effect now

i have not seen it yet, so you are stating that no more positional requirements?

now im trying to utilize

p/d + d/p combo

with the build 0-30-0-25-15

to have a lot of initiative pool and regeneration to maximize #3 skill of both weapon set in and out combo

(i really dreaming not having cooldown on weapon swap)

i did remove SA totally, i guess ill stick with this for a while and to get the hang of it

i thought they fixed the glitch?

wow, really? really? how about daily pvp?

i think people hate other individuals because they cant impose their standards and values in life to others,

its one of the facets about life that we should deal with

its like a childs play observed in a day care facility, often with grouping ang playing
*scene 1 : i dont like you because you dont belong here
*scene 2 : i hate you because you dont do things the way teacher said
so on and so forth.

i think/conclude/hypothesize: that laika hates other thieves because they dont play like “how laika wants them to play”

since this is a hypothesis, you can refute, nullify, or retaliate the premise stated>

uhm lets not deviate the discussion about “what if’s”

i have another idea to top of my what if we dont have stealth,

what if all our dual skills ignore block, like what they did to the first hit of flanking strike

i would rather not as well,

im trying to learn d/p as well, and its #3 skill is useful in chasing down enemies to move and hit in a melee range

Irie.7149:

Still have just TA armour, but is pretty enough. Hope it doesn’t matter. :x Am gonna go for T3 once I get my shiny shiny rainbow shortbow.

i should change the title, since TA is technically a leafy armor nice color anyway

since everyone hates our class because they dont want to battle hidden enemies…

if im a programmer and works for anet,

thieves would go this way,

i would remove stealth ability on weapon skills, but in return all skills would require positional requirements,

eg, backstab will always land a powerful damage at the back only without stealth damage is reduced to 50% when a thief hits the enemy at the front
damage is reduced to 25% when a thief hit the sides

pistol skills will have more damage when facing directly facing the opponent eye to eye, less damage when facing the back

sword will always daze for .25 secs when hitting the sides only of the opponent

shortbow every fifth #1 will immobilize opponent

since no more stealth skills we be available in any weapon sets, a little tweak will be introduced to Shadow Arts Tree

grand master tree :

X:thieves initiative: gain initiative when you dodge

XI: (insert name) when a thief stands for more than 5 seconds without moving he will gain stealth and breaks stealth when he moves (like the ash legion spy kit)

XII: thieves paradise : when two or more thieves are running together (radius 360)they gain regeneration

and other tweak to traits that utilize stealth

In short: our access to indemand stealth will be only from utility skills.

this is my idea

i just thought of something,

what if we implement block like one of the single player games, you can only block where your shield is facing the oponent,

so that we can also implement that if you block/miss/evade backstab regardless of stealth, the thief cannot do backstab anymore.

Lavadiel.6231:

>hit shadow step twice ….

some bad habit… hmmm …. 22222222222222

ahahaha this!!!

(funny)

stinkypants.8419:

Nope. The window for stealth is too small. Backstab requires positioning and stealth to accomplish. Backstab is “spammable” for 3 (or 4, 15 SA traited) seconds, then requires initiative (6) for CnD or a utility skill to get back into stealth, then positioning again to land the backstab. I seriously doubt you’re showing us your backside and standing still so we can land the next backstab.

Plus ANet is already changing the Stealth/Revealed mechanic… in what appears to be a nerf.

So yeah, sit back and wait before asking for more thief nerfs please.

indeed, wait for the changes first before suggesting any nerfs, one more week to go, hold your horses…

*thread closure request please

Daecollo.9578:

Oldgrimm.8521:

SilverWF.4789:

Sifu.6527:

To summarize this thread:

Anet – You will get reveal debuff everytime now when leaving stealth. We did this because it is imbalance in WvW although we said we weren’t going to make balancing decisions based on what happens in WvW. Suckers!

D/D Players – wtf man, this nerf will hit us hard! kitten you Anet!

S/D Players – Oh stfu D/D players, learn to play.

D/P and P/D Players – Who cares…

P/P Players – Where the kitten are the buffs you promised me!!!

Until next patch…

and only D/D reliable for WvW.
S/P – PVE-stuff. Who will stay under #3?? Only mobs or noobs
D/P – too: who will stay in the #5? Only noobs or mobs.
P/D – condition thief, very rare and nearly useless for WvW
S/D & P/P – semi-PVE builds, rare too

So, they hit to the most popular WvW builds. Great.

How about just remove endless protection and regeneration buffs from the D/D Elems? This will be much more useful

dont forget about the boon hate, we can use their boons to our advantage

1% extra damage per boon vs protection (33% Damage reduction after all damage is calculated.)

we are not yet sure about boon hate mechanics, but at least boons have a counter when it is implemented

SilverWF.4789:

Sifu.6527:

To summarize this thread:

Anet – You will get reveal debuff everytime now when leaving stealth. We did this because it is imbalance in WvW although we said we weren’t going to make balancing decisions based on what happens in WvW. Suckers!

D/D Players – wtf man, this nerf will hit us hard! kitten you Anet!

S/D Players – Oh stfu D/D players, learn to play.

D/P and P/D Players – Who cares…

P/P Players – Where the kitten are the buffs you promised me!!!

Until next patch…

and only D/D reliable for WvW.
S/P – PVE-stuff. Who will stay under #3?? Only mobs or noobs
D/P – too: who will stay in the #5? Only noobs or mobs.
P/D – condition thief, very rare and nearly useless for WvW
S/D & P/P – semi-PVE builds, rare too

So, they hit to the most popular WvW builds. Great.

How about just remove endless protection and regeneration buffs from the D/D Elems? This will be much more useful

dont forget about the boon hate, we can use their boons to our advantage

maybe we can discuss this further when stealth changes is in full application,

regardless, we cant apply stealth either when you dodge block and evade

Shemsu.8721:

Atticus.7194:

mixu.4281:

So, I happened to stop by the GW2 State of the Game stream just in time for their discussion on thieves. Apparently, ANET plans to change stealth so that it applies the revealed buff, regardless if you hit something or not.

Discuss.

Good change, also prevents thieves from having infinite stealth inside forts and castles and running around untouchable for 45 min.

100% wrong. The D/P “Perma” stealth build is not affected by this change since they never have to leave stealth. Only the patient CnD using thieves are hit by this

yes, indeed, also i saw a post somewhere that a combination of blinding powder + cluster bomb used hijack towers and keeps, two thieves were at play in this scenario and they are in perma stealth,

seldom thieves use s/d as a boon removal, its unreliable

but for the upcomming changes i will gladly welcome boon hate,

i will target anyone with boons to amplify our damage

yep, i agree with this one,

i like a unicorn theme set,

i want to try this concept

superior runes of the adventurer
+
superior sigil of energy
+
primal reflex (IV skirmishing)
+
vigorous renewal (IV WS)
+
natural vigor (minor trait WS)
+
Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew (food)
+
lightning reflex

with a proper rotation how many dodges can i execute? did someone use this setup already?

with this upcoming change, i hope no more QQ will be made,

since we cannot tail the zerg using cnd to hide, and with the upcoming culling issue that will be fixed

i really hope that they will stop whinning about the thief,

(in the worst scenario after stealth nerf, they (baddies) will ask to nerf our overall damage like backstab damage)

stealth on other games is better that gw2,

eg ragnarok, where you can stealth and attack and NEVER be revealed unless theres a hunter to use detection skill

eg wow, only flares and other stuff will be the only utilities to make stealth seen

etc etc,

just in comparison to other games, perma stealth is permanent because theres a dedicated class to make them revealed

gw2 stealth is limited because theres no dedicated class to reveal them

i remember that the devs cant adjust something drastic in PvE because it will affect WvWvW

maybe a split skill would suffice to balance things out?

on the other light of the matter,

why did the devs made thief so weak in PvE?

is it to justify that they made thieves powerful in WvWvW or spvp?

its like….

“DEvs: oh im gonna make thieves weak in PvE… but to compensate, i will make them powerful in SpVp and WvWvW” – is this called balancing?

Sebrent.3625:

For my Mesmer to reset, I have to blow some cooldowns. Often two against fast opponents (most anyone not a mesmer, lol).

Elementalist ride the lightning, blink, mist form. 20+ cooldowns.

Warrior is a different animal, i’ll give you that I can make a warrior pretty darn hard to stop … unless people are spamming cripple/chill/immobilize on him.

Thief simply stealths and is done. Thanks to Shadow Arts, Thief stealths and now they are removing conditions, gained might, healing, and maybe moving +50% speed.

The Warrior and Elementalist have speed but no stealth.
The Mesmer has stealth but no speed.
The Thief has both stealth and speed.

i would like to comment on this one

warriors have speed and STABILITY but no stealth

elementalist have speed and invulnerability (mist form and ride the lightning)

thief has stealth and speed but no access to reliable stability for running purposes

nevertheless, if people claim that thieves has a lot of survivability and such, mobility and such, why do people discriminate thieves in dungeon also?

it has a seemingly disconnect between two occassions, and in both instances thieves are unwanted

we suck at PVE,

and they dont want us in their group most of the time (they hate us in their group)

we excel at world vs world,

and they want to nerf our damage and such (they still hate us in WvWvW)

now, if we are nerfed on two occassions, what will be left from us?
(no matter what occassion whether PvE or PvP or WvWvW they still hate us)

Astralporing.1957:

pricer.5091:

I have a watch that cost £1600 and a watch that cost £150, both of them keep excellent time. Is one better than the other? Only in my mind. To someone who is not into watches, one of them is a neccesity, the other is a pointless piece of self-indulgence.

Now, would you buy the £1600 one if they weren’t equal except for the price, but the cheaper one was actually a better watch? Because that’s what we have now.

for the sake of luxury, i will still buy the 1600 watch even if it does not function well, like a vintage watch that does not tell time,

that is what t3 armors are for a bling bling to show off how expensive your character is.

hmmm what about racial armors, what will happen to that item when you race change?

(if its implemented)

what if guesting will need 50 gems per guest?

Sol.4310:

I tried to make build that would cover these problems but yeah, I am forced to change my build none stop to be effective, I personally hate roaming with a bunker build in small roaming groups due to fact we have little damage output, I do tend to run the 0/30/30/5/5 for both Zerging/roaming i carry 3 sets of armor that I can get to work effective under them traits.

x-30-30-x-x build is good enough for multiple type of armors and builds,

eg.
1 set for glass cannon
1 set for condition trapper

its sooooo painful to see that mesmer standing and casting stuff,

i think most players are used to old mmo, maybe they think that they cant run or dodge while in combat, (maybe because of faulty introduction/or no tutorials in the beginning of the character creation)

nevertheless, “internet english” so to speak is evolving, as long as they understood what you meant its okay,

also, just to take note of english parameters/syntax/grammar,

more often than not, they dont know the difference between “than” to “then” and they use it interchangeably,

also simple past present and future form of the verb is misplaced everywhere,

like play = played
say = said (most of them use sayed)
pay = paid (again most of the use payed)

although i heard and read somewhere that english rules are not use in some countries like japan,

because most of the playerbase are not english native speakers

or do not know how to use plural forms of nouns

like the plural of knife = knives
half = halves

thief = thieves

but in reality,the stats of t3 isnt that good even if the did make it exotic,

eg. t3 human medium, rampagers set, (i would not use that stats even if they will turn into exotic quality)

likewise you can use the reasoning for legendary weapons, only a few will use p/v/t stat, and will transmute it into something else