Guild Wars 2

Creslin.1758:

Aeneasx.1589:

I could care less about being outnumbered. Fighting the DR zergs can be very fun.

What ISN’T fun is seeing 15-20 people refusing to come and fight 4-5 guys.

Tonight I had more greens /sleep or /laugh from a distance or even atop a tower that we chased them into, than people who engaged. We fought outside that tower for 20 minutes, then you guys come out, drop ballistas on the bridge, and still wipe? How do you even keep playing after something like that?

Yep, that seems like how it always is.

One thing I would like to know is who the freak sits on DR’s tower siege stuff like ALL day. Anytime I go to a DR tower, there is someone up there on the siege just waiting. They don’t ever come out, they just wait and then fire their siege weapons.

Are you guys hiring low wage workers from third world countries to do this?

You know a lot of these complaints swing the other way as well. :P

Ferg and Kain both have huge 20+ zergs that roll us all the time and if we go any where near an enemy tower or keep we take cannon and ballista fire. And I always ask the same thing that you just asked. Who in the hell are these people who sit on seige all day just hoping to hit someone once or twice with a cannon?

Creslin.1758:

Scyte.2801:

So yeah today I discovered something pleasant.. People in Kaineng are using hacks! First I saw a Sylvari Necro fly away when I was kind of owning him, and later on I find several other flying Kains. Also I have had the issue of not being able to finish people off. 1 of those was a fly hacker so I’m almost certain that that is also a hack.

Sad to see that you guys have hackers on your side!

I saw the same Necro. I tried to do us all a favor and report him, but apparently, there is not an option to report hackers/exploiters…which makes no sense at all.

I asked Habib about this and he actually directly replied.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Bots-in-WvW-3/first#post923768

dank.3680:

Oozo.7856:

Hackers exist on all sides. And that isn’t 20 people. That’s just a minion necro and a couple of mesmers.

You might notice that every “defender” has a different guild tag and none of them say “beast”.

No way, man. You can clearly see an Illusionary Berserker and a Shadow Minion manning the ballistas. Check your eyesight.

TLDR: It was a joke

Hackers exist on all sides. And that isn’t 20 people. That’s just a minion necro and a couple of mesmers.

Durzlla.6295:

Oozo.7856:

Durzlla.6295:

Actually, the reason Mesmer does so well is because a lot of people that are regular RPG players can’t seem to grasp how to fight them, ALL of my friends who picked up GW2 as their first rpg have no issues finding the real mes and killing it but all my friends who have played WoW and other such games for freaking ever can’t even lay a finger on the real mes… so idk why that is, especially since some of the experience RPG players are better players overall.

No, the real problem is that they can run a build with 4 different stealths and 2 different ports. where almost every utility breaks stun. If a mesmer doesn’t run with this kind of escapability then they don’t know what they are doing. Those are the ones that die. Stealth acts as a target reset.

I don’t run with that much stealth and i kitten and pillage in my 3k armor, so you clearly don’t play mesmer at all…
And btw, if they have 4 stealths that means they have torch, 2 utilities, and an elite set for stealth, therefore they can’t HAVE 2 different ports, and they’d only have 1 stun break, so stop talking out of your kitten

You do realize that a mesmer can weapon swap, right? Torch for one stealth. Two utilities to stealth. Elite to stealth. One utility to port and (what you are forgetting) staff to port.

Decoy stealths you and breaks stun. Blink breaks stun. That’s two stun breakers right there. You can get a third stun breaker with Mirror Images, but would have to give up one of the stealth options (Veil) to do that.

For someone who plays a mesmer, you don’t seem to know much about your own profession.

I’m not entirely set on my build yet, as I’m trying different things out. This is what I ran with tonight. But this could change after I examine the footage I have.

http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-7s-Bx;0NFk40G3NG-90;9;5EJEJ;10;048-0;019c

The only things I consider a must have at the moment are vigor on critical, stability on virtue of courage, and refresh on virtue of justice on kill. The other points I’m shifting around and trying different things.

The builder doesn’t help with my WvW gear. I’m using a mixture of beserkers, knights, and valkyries. My stats are roughly as follows with food and stone:

HP 17000
Armor 2500-2700 (hammer/mace/shield dependent)
Attack 3000-3200 (3400 for 30 seconds after a kill with hammer)
Crit% 33%
CritDMG 85%

Durzlla.6295:

Actually, the reason Mesmer does so well is because a lot of people that are regular RPG players can’t seem to grasp how to fight them, ALL of my friends who picked up GW2 as their first rpg have no issues finding the real mes and killing it but all my friends who have played WoW and other such games for freaking ever can’t even lay a finger on the real mes… so idk why that is, especially since some of the experience RPG players are better players overall.

No, the real problem is that they can run a build with 4 different stealths and 2 different ports. where almost every utility breaks stun. If a mesmer doesn’t run with this kind of escapability then they don’t know what they are doing. Those are the ones that die. Stealth acts as a target reset.

Xsorus.2507:

Oozo.7856:

People have to tear you down. You see, when someone does well with a class that they complain about… it says something about them, not you.

I fought a melee based ranger the other day 1v1 and was quite impressed. Very good health regeneration and evasion. It was a solid dueling build. It was a human, so no pain inverter to explain away his success.

I do alright, but just because I do alright doesn’t mean the class doesn’t have trouble.

I mean hell, look at any number of Thief/Mesmer video’s you see of them owning groups…Very rarely do i own a group, most of the time i’m getting smashed pretty hard as I can’t go invisible to take a breather in the middle of the fight.

So i don’t understand why anyone would take offense to my video’s

I do get why some people complain about me using Pain Inverter though, cause i imagine being the other races it’s like a swift kick in the nuts to be so close and yet be so far away.

The reason why thieves and mesmers can beat groups of people is because of the escapability, survivability, and availability of stealths and ports.

I have a lot more respect for someone engaging and winning 1vNs without thief and mesmer cheese than I do for any of the mesmers and thieves putting out those movies. They would not be able to do it on another class. And, they shouldn’t be able to do it. Anet doesn’t seem to have the balls to fix this rather obvious risk versus reward inbalance.

People have to tear you down. You see, when someone does well with a class that they complain about… it says something about them, not you.

I fought a melee based ranger the other day 1v1 and was quite impressed. Very good health regeneration and evasion. It was a solid dueling build. It was a human, so no pain inverter to explain away his success.

Gryph.8237:

It does not matter, most people with a brain can quickly ascertain that the 14 represented the day (as there are only 12 months in a year, even on the korean calendar) and the 12 represented december, the month we are currently in.

Yeah, man. But what if the patch was on December the 12th. Then, it would be really really confusing and we wouldn’t know whether the first 12 stood for the day or the month. Ditto on the second 12.

ClausLars.1724:

Love the videos, only watched Templanos and the one in the Started Playing a Guardian Thread so far. What armor are you using, stuff looks great?

EDIT: Looked over the heavy armors to try and answer my own question, I’d say Draconic.

Yeah, the models are mostly draconic. I’ve since mixed in some of the karma gear from Fireheart Rise – which actually looks fairly decent given the ease of which it’s obtained.

New movie: 12/4/12 5vN

Guild versus Guild fight.

New movie!

12/4/12 5vN

Zizanzi.4678:

We should talk Oozo if you are planning on moving. Would love to get something together with your group, PM me if you are interested.

Stylii Elementalist (Staff)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader

Most of us are loathe to move. We lost a lot of work on our guild by moving from Dragonbrand and we lost a lot of players, so building up the guild is not so easy anymore. We finally have a few nice things here.

Last night was actually pretty decent for finding good fights. We had the outmanned buff quite often. I can’t figure the dynamics of this grouping out.

Here is a nice fight against mostly NP from last week IF YOU EVEN CARE.

Yeah, I used mace and focus last night to do the same. The burst is really sweet against glass cannon types when you get crits.

I do miss the shield for helping on revives though. I wish the shield cooldowns were a bit shorter. As is, it feels way too situational.

The only things in this game that provide true escapability are ports, leaps, and stealth. Swiftness, stunbreaks, and condition removal are great when coupled with the above but won’t save you by themselves.

The two classes that I play (necro and guardian) have very poor escapability. They do have good survivability, but that really only prolongs your death unless you are able to survive long enough to retreat into friendly units.

Guardians shine in small group engagements where lack of escapability isn’t a huge issue. They aren’t so hot for fighting zerglings, however. It’s going to take them awhile to kill you if you play well and you might down a few while they are trying, but you will eventually go down.

I’m okay with that since I’ve always been more interested in killing than worried about dying. I’ll let the sissies play the classes good at running away. Guardian is a class for men.

Your overall roaming WvW philosophy is spot on. Great job putting it in words.

I’ll work something up to answer those questions later on. That’s what the reserved space is for.

Last night was horrible for the most part. DR zergs in every map pinning people in at their zone. We came to DR right after Kaineng won, BTW.

We didn’t sign up for this crap. :P

We are voicing thoughts of moving. But, maybe it will be more interesting if DR moves up and gets crushed.

Oh, and here is a new entertainment style movie if you EVEN CARE (passive-agressive attack ENGAGED).

Reserved for possible future usage

Reserved for possible future usage

Hello,

I’ll be using this thread to compile a library of roaming WvW gameplay from a guardian point of view. The content will be solo, duo, and small group footage. The movies will be done in two different styles. One style will be for entertainment. Expect moderate to heavy editing for those movies. The other style will be mostly straight-up unedited footage with some music in the backgrond.

NEWEST: Mag/BP/DR Montage

Edited Movies for Entertainment

Templanos 1: Death by Cleavage
Templanos 2: Guardian’s Got a Temper
Templanos 3: Mag/BP/DR Montage

mostly Unedited Movies

12/1/12 – 3v10+ Supply Camp Assault and Defense
12/4/12 – 5vN Guild versus Guild
12/9/12 – 4v10+v10+
12/13/12 – 3v15ish Supply Camp Defense
12/16/12 – 6vN
12/22/12 – 8vN
12/23/12 – 5vN Supply Camp Defense
12/26/12 – 4vNvN Open Field
12/31/12 – 7vN Greenvale Defense
12/—/12 – AD&BSty
1/4/13 – Insane 3-way Supply Camp Fight
1/4/13 – Some Guild versus Guild Fights

The reason why I put the (keyword here) on personally was to stress that it was just an anecdotal observation. I see that you decided to ignore that and waste your time tearing down your strawman. Just like when you ignored the usage of the word “some” to bolster your argument.

In-combat stealth in this game is far stronger than in WoW or DAoC. If you can’t see and acknowledge that then there really is no point in arguing with you since you are either dishonest or ignorant. Out-of-combat stealth is weaker. That’s it.

Kurow.6973:

Oozo.7856:

Generalization in what way? Do you understand the meaning of the word “some?” It has a different meaning than the word “all.”

Stealth in GW2 works nothing like any other stealth I’ve seen.

Just because he alt+f4s doesn’t justify why he plays thief. I’ve had guardians alt+f4 on my ele. Yea…explain that. Must be cause he doesn’t like dying. He should have rolled a thief instead of a guardian by your logic.

Good point. Stealth is stronger in this game than those other games due to the frequency of it’s in-combat usage.

Most (look up the definition of this word) of the ALTF4s I’ve personally (keyword here) encountered have been mesmers and thieves who ALTF4 in stealth to try to hide their lameness.

Generalization in what way? Do you understand the meaning of the word “some?” It has a different meaning than the word “all.”

Some people play thieves because they don’t like dying. This guy falls in that category since he admits to ALT-F4ing.

I played rogues in vanilla beta and infiltrator in DAoC. I know how big an advantage stealth provides when soloing in the open field.

Kurow.6973:

Oozo.7856:

So, a class that already has the best solo survivability and escapability in the game ALTF4s and then ridicules players who don’t have anywhere near his survivability and escapability for running with a team.

And, people defend it. Amazing.

Oh…is that so…and here I always thought my ele had the best survivability & escape routes. =\

Arguable.

Would you be happier if I said one of the best? There is probably a reason he solos with his thief rather than his necromancer.

New movies:

gamefreak.5673:

Great videos as always. I just wish that whole alt f4 would stop happening on 1 vs 1 fights i keep running into but 1 vs 30+ feel free to alt f4 to save yourself that pointless repair.

No, if you ALTF4 out of the game because you die for whatever reason, you are a punk IRL.

So, a class that already has the best solo survivability and escapability in the game ALTF4s and then ridicules players who don’t have anywhere near his survivability and escapability for running with a team.

And, people defend it. Amazing.

Attic.1562:

I thought about “Devona Pests” or “Devona’s Pestilence” but I didn’t think they were very catchy.

To be on topic. So how about that one fight with the people at the thing where we totally owned just now?!

Actually, Devona’s Pests is pretty good.

The fight by the tree? Next to the rock?

De-moan-a’s Rest? Or…

DePROna’s Rest? *Said with extreme disdain and a sneer, of course. That shouldn’t be a problem for roleplayers.

Guardian was my first level 80 and was the class I played in beta. You might have seen some of my movies from beta. I needed a change of pace and switched to necro which I levelled to 80 and geared in full exotics.

Recently, I decided to dust off my guardian and take him out to WvW to see how things would go. Despite being rusty on the guardian (which I literally hadn’t played for months) and having some green and yellow gear, I was pretty kitten effective. Definitely more effective than the necromancer in small scale fights, which is pretty much the only thing I enjoy in this game.

I’ll be putting out solo and small group videos on my guardian featuring even number fights or fights where we are outnumbered.

This is a sample. It’s unedited (except for the song) footage of a 3 man assault and defense of a supply camp against many enemy players.

It’s because of your build and their build. Most thieves play horrible glass cannon builds that are really only good at killing people preoccupied with fighting someone else.

Draygo.9473:

I do not recognize either of those guilds. Perhaps they are transfers trolling our tier?

Most likely. I wasn’t calling Kaineng out, BTW. Individuals should be held responsible for their actions, not entire servers.

Ashlov.3819:

Every time this cat gets downed, he Alt-F4s. And I don’t mean once in a while. I’m talking ever single time he gets downed or realizes he’s going to get downed.

That’s fairly common with people who play stealth classes since the reason they are playing a stealth class to begin with is to avoid dying. However, you really need to bring some video footage if you are going to make that charge against an individual.

Dynnen, Kollmann, and myself got seperated from the DR zerg and got lost. We found a supply camp to cower and hide in while we called for help. But, the DR zerg never came. Tragedy ensued.

:(

There were porting and flying hackers playing on Kaineng the other night. Their guild tag was AAA. I posted a movie of them porting around earlier in the thread.

Not sure if they were involved in any tower or keep turnovers, but yes… they were definitely flying around.

Habib Loew.6239:

If you see a bot anywhere in the game the best possible thing you can do is report it using the in-game report feature. Reporting bots gets them into our system and helps us not only to find and ban them, but also to learn how to better detect them automatically.

So, if you see bots please report them!

Habib,

How should we classify people who are using teleport/flying hacks? There doesn’t seem to be a proper classification to report them under.

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We are Anonymous Defender [AD]. We enjoy and seek out smaller scale WvW fights. This is a collection of our movies.

NEWEST: 1/4/13 – Some Guild versus Guild Fights

Guardian (Solo/Duo Entertainment)

Templanos 1 – Death By Cleavage
Templanos 2 – Guardian’s Got a Temper

Necromancer (Solo Entertainment)

Shroudstomp 1
Shroudstomp 2
Shroudstomp 3
Shroudstomp 4

(mostly) Unedited Roaming WvW from Necro PoV

11/7/12 – Necro/Warrior/Engi/Guardian Open Field 4vNs
11/9/12 – Necro/Warrior/Engi 3v4 Supply Camp Assault
11/17/12 – Necro/Warrior Open Field 2vNs
11/21&24/12 – Necro/Necro/Warrior Open Field 3vNs
11/24/12 AD versus Zerg

(mostly) Unedited Roaming WvW from Guardian PoV

12/1/12 Guardian/Guardian/Elementalist 3vMANY at Suppy Camp
12/3/12 AD vs. h4xOrz
12/4/12 5vN
12/9/12 – 4v10+v10+
12/13/12 – 3v15 Supply camp defense
12/16/12 – 6vN
12/22/12 – 8vN
12/23/12 – 5vN Supply Camp Defense
12/26/12 – 4vNvN Open Field
12/31/12 – 7vN Greenvale Defense
12/—/12 – AD&BSty
1/4/13 – Insane 3-way Supply Camp Fight
1/4/13 – Some Guild versus Guild Fights

Good fights, AAA!

Attic.1562

By moving to FC we limit ourselves to only having to compete with the DR zerg and have more allies (or at least ‘people who can’t attack us’) that we can play off of. No guild is an island after all.

It’s not an ideal solution, but it’s what was available to us.

Yeah, being on the zerg server makes it difficult to find good fights but not having enough population to break up the enemy zergs is just as bad. FC is the best server for running small groups in this matchup ATM.

Yeah, mesmer can do stealth stomps with invulnerability from distortion. :P

When you are checking for ways to stomp look at what instant abilities are available to the build since instant abilities can be used during the stomp channel.

haccks, I haven’t played my necro recently. I’m switching to my guardian (which was actually my first 80) since it’s far more effective for small scale fighting with my friends.

Zizanzi.4678:

Tiglie.5834:

Thanks for the well wishes Noobler. It’s just keeping us fresh, and giving us something new to fight. Our intention is for a short stay. I must say, I was impressed with just everyone overall last night, much much tougher fights than normal. And this was also against Devona’s that usually arn’t that big of a threat to deal with, ontop of the Kain’s to fight. I tell you that group of AD guys with the PRO legendary warrior and a few others tagging along was just beyond frustrating.

Beyond that, the “kain” drama is just overhyped by 2 or 3 people on this board. I think it’s more of a combination of some diehard trolls and people clueless to the fact that it’s really not that serious. Does anyone REALLLLLLLLLLLY care about the virtual scoreboard?

Ya, enjoyed fighting AD in the gully yesterday too. Couple times they had just destroyed randoms before NoQQ came in. I could tell from all the dead bodies on the ground. AD you run a really strong coordinated group, keep up the good work since this is why I like to WvWvW to meet groups like you.

Stylii Elementalist (Staff)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader

Thanks. Yes, we were having fun there til you came in and tipped the scales. We got caught in a really bad spot fighting you on the ground and taking flak from the cliffs above by the rank-and-file. We hate your elementalists, BTW. Dynnen, in particular, starts cussing like a sailor when he sees them. :P

dank.3680:

Oozo.7856:

dank.3680

lol we ran into those AD guys.. 3 hammer knockdown specs 2 guards and a war or 2 wars and a guard I can’t remember. We did beat them with even numbers, but it was definitely annoying.

There were four of you throughout the entire fight. We killed your ranger almost immediately, which left a mesmer and a thief. We got the thief to low health, he then stealthed and ran away to get out of combat to heal to full and come back later in the fight. That left you. Being a mesmer you were able to stealth and port kite us until the thief and an elementalist (probably d/d – aren’t they all?) showed up. Your ranger came back from respawn towards the end of the fight.

You are all good players, but the TLDR message here is that you won basically because of mesmer and thief stealth mechanics. It must kind of suck not knowing whether you are winning fights because you are good or because of horrible game mechanics. That is why most of us in AD totally avoid the commonly used cheese builds that the best players use. When we win against superior numbers it is because we earned it.

Dynnen was using a hammer and staff (I think). He usually uses greatsword. I was playing my guardian using hammer, mace, and shield. Madra was a warrior using greatsword, axe, and warhorn.

If you were getting knocked down a lot it’s because you kept running into rings of warding (which I trapped you in at the start of the fight). Guardian hammer doesn’t have as much targetted knockdown CC as a hammer warrior.

Your thinkin of the wrong fight. I was playing my little d/d Ele. And there was no prior battle between the (3) of us running into you. It was 3v3 for the entirety.. Then we caught a couple of you separated shortly after.. Then I played around with 1 of you and like 4 other randoms leading them on a goose chase after that.

Oh you did trap me in bubble though, but I lightning flashed out of it without getting knocked down by it. I was getting KD’s mostly by the hammer warriors jumping attack.

But, about your story here. I’d like to know how mesmer+thief+ranger = 4 people in entirety.

I assumed you were an asura mesmer from TRx. Should have looked at your signature. The mistake is because I honestly don’t remember any other fights that you could be referring to. I don’t remember losing any 3v3 fights last night. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, though. Just don’t remember. I usually fraps most small scale stuff and didn’t see anything like that in my footage.

We don’t have a hammer warrior BTW. The Guardian mighty blow looks like the adrenaline warrior hammer move but it doesn’t knockdown. You probably got knocked down by something else and mistook it because of the animation.

edit: The fight I incorrectly mentioned was against a mesmer, thief, elementalist, and ranger in it’s entirety.

dank.3680

lol we ran into those AD guys.. 3 hammer knockdown specs 2 guards and a war or 2 wars and a guard I can’t remember. We did beat them with even numbers, but it was definitely annoying.

There were four of you throughout the entire fight. We killed your ranger almost immediately, which left a mesmer and a thief. We got the thief to low health, he then stealthed and ran away to get out of combat to heal to full and come back later in the fight. That left you. Being a mesmer you were able to stealth and port kite us until the thief and an elementalist (probably d/d – aren’t they all?) showed up. Your ranger came back from respawn towards the end of the fight.

You are all good players, but the TLDR message here is that you won basically because of mesmer and thief stealth mechanics. It must kind of suck not knowing whether you are winning fights because you are good or because of horrible game mechanics. That is why most of us in AD totally avoid the commonly used cheese builds that the best players use. When we win against superior numbers it is because we earned it.

Dynnen was using a hammer and staff (I think). He usually uses greatsword. I was playing my guardian using hammer, mace, and shield. Madra was a warrior using greatsword, axe, and warhorn.

If you were getting knocked down a lot it’s because you kept running into rings of warding (which I trapped you in at the start of the fight). Guardian hammer doesn’t have as much targetted knockdown CC as a hammer warrior.

In beta, the trait used to give you stability the entire time you were in DS. That is most likely why you can’t initiate stomps and revives while in DS now. IMO, they forgot to take a second look at whether you should be able to stomp in DS after they nerfed that trait. It would have definitely been OP when you had stability for the full DS.

You can DS revive. I’ve done it alot and I believe its in two of my movies.

I’m still not sure how they are going to come down on this one. DS stomps and revives have an advantage in how frequently you can enter DS and the ability to absorb damage while you are vulnerable stomping and/or reviving.

With mark of revival, Necros can bring a lot to the table in managing downed states during fights. If that is taken away, I’ll just stop playing the necro since it’s a major draw for me when playing with my friends. I’ve already started playing my Guardian again and he is set up to protect stomps and revives with block and stability.

If you don’t have a way to help your group secure stomps and revives, you are actually a detriment to your team.

I can see it being more reliable in sPvP since the control points are flat terrain. It’s a nightmare in WvW though. Unusual out of range and obstructed messages are sometimes caused by a person strafing a projectile.

IMO, this ability is far too important to be wasted so many times. Aesthetics is fine, but functionality is more important IMO. It needs to be instant probably.