Guild Wars 2

I’ll leave the pre-filtered comment to the imagination.

But, I want to point out that kittens say “mew” not “meow.” That is what distinguishes kittens from cats.

Here is the recruitment thread.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Notice anything about Maguuma and Kaineng in those matchups? That, along with the fact that about 80% of humans are kittenes pretty much explains everything.

wads.5730:

Oozo.7856:

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.
Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Very true. Kaineng surely has good players on it. It’s just hard to stand out at the moment.

BTW, my comments are generally comparing rank and file PUGs versus the rank and file of other servers. Maguuma has impressed me the most for their general level of competence. Kaineng is carrying A LOT of deadweight, however. And those players will be taking up your queue slots. This is the kind of thing you don’t realize unless you fight your own server.

Maguuma’s popularity might cause it to have similar issues with respect to deadweight players. And again, Maguuma had nothing similar to the mobile zergball guilds that Kaineng has. That would be my primary concern if I was Mag right now.

I honestly can’t think of a counter to them unless you run the same exact thing. Of course, I’d personally rather quit the game before piling up and running with a zerg like that.

more people would probably need to run support and control builds, like staff ele, consecration guardian, glamour mesmers etc. which requires more organization in general i’m sure.

halting the momentum of the zergball definitely a key to stopping it.

You’d have to try to fragment them, but they are probably going to be carrying a lot of group stability. Since they are clumped together they will spread out and mitigate AoE. AoE damage will be practically useless against a zergball.

Zergballing reduces nearly everything to nothing more than a numbers contest.

They are a little vulnerable when they stop to gather the collective. At this point they are typically trying to set up a mesmer portal or group stealth (speaking of WM here, mainly). This is a good time to try to crash them with gap closers. Still though, you are going to need similar numbers to have success.

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.
Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Very true. Kaineng surely has good players on it. It’s just hard to stand out at the moment.

BTW, my comments are generally comparing rank and file PUGs versus the rank and file of other servers. Maguuma has impressed me the most for their general level of competence. Kaineng is carrying A LOT of deadweight, however. And those players will be taking up your queue slots. This is the kind of thing you don’t realize unless you fight your own server.

Maguuma’s popularity might cause it to have similar issues with respect to deadweight players. And again, Maguuma had nothing similar to the mobile zergball guilds that Kaineng has. That would be my primary concern if I was Mag right now.

I honestly can’t think of a counter to them unless you run the same exact thing. Of course, I’d personally rather quit the game before piling up and running with a zerg like that.

Too much pride, I guess.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Please come to Fight Club when we host it Its a great PvP style event for every one. PvP skill wise, that is where we can showcase everything, but to win in WvW, numbers and coverage, those are key elements, sorry to say but 5-15 PvP experts can not win against 30+ man zergs in WvW.

PUG zergs, yes. Guild zergs, no. If we cared about server ranks we would have left DR a long time ago. We want balanced fights and although you aren’t personally responsible for the crap we’ve been getting – I’ll take it out on you, nonetheless.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comparable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Foss.4830:

Taras.4367:

well at this moment Kaineng just zergs because they outnumber all of the opponents. i dont know how they will do in higher tier i don know thou that they have good coverage of all time zones

My guild does alot of small group stuff. Mainly defending camps/dolyaks right now.

Guild tag is?

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

I’m guessing a lot of people here haven’t tried fighting a guild zergball of 30-40 people while being outnumbered before. Who gives a crap about unorganized zergs. The problem are the organized zergs that exploit the weakness of AoE.

These zergballs are the future (and the death) of WvW if Anet doesn’t get a handle on things and quickly.

Congratulations on your 40man guild group zergball transfers.

Calae.1738:

Oozo.7856:

Calae.1738:

AoE needs to be nerfed hard. Really hard.

All you need is 1 commander and a bunch of lemmings following the commander closely. Everyone in the group is required to use weapon sets that deals AoE damage on the move. What this creates is a lawn mower. You know what a lawn mower is right? You know that device with rotating blades on 4 wheels that you push around that cuts grass? Yea that.

WvW is a pathetic zerg fest. A bunch of skilless lemmings spamming their auto attacks running around like a swarm of bees.

You are so wrong. The reason that it’s turning into a zergfest is because AoE is too weak not because it is too strong.

The reason its a zergfest is because the map is not designed to make zergs ineffective. The map is designed to make zergs effective. A zerg running around like a lawn mower can effectively attack and defend Eternal Battlegrounds assuming thier home towers and keeps are fully upgraded.

Map design is also part of the problem as Dynnen mentioned.

Calae.1738:

AoE needs to be nerfed hard. Really hard.

All you need is 1 commander and a bunch of lemmings following the commander closely. Everyone in the group is required to use weapon sets that deals AoE damage on the move. What this creates is a lawn mower. You know what a lawn mower is right? You know that device with rotating blades on 4 wheels that you push around that cuts grass? Yea that.

WvW is a pathetic zerg fest. A bunch of skilless lemmings spamming their auto attacks running around like a swarm of bees.

You are so wrong. The reason that it’s turning into a zergfest is because AoE is too weak not because it is too strong.

Let’s take the following situation:

A group of 5 engages a group of 20 in a close quarters fight. The group of 5 has all of their AoE spread out and mitigated by the 20 since there is a max of 5 hit per AoE. The group of 5 takes ALL of the AoE from the group of 20.

Now make a change. Raise the cap such that 15 people can take AOE damage. The inc damage to the group of 5 remains the same while the group of twenty now takes much more damage overall.

The current AoE code encourages people to zerg it up.

What really gets me is that Anet talks about people exploiting AOE without recognizing that the biggest exploit of all is running zerg balls to spread out and mitigate the damage.

Is that the game that Anet wants? 30+ people running around in tight balls impervious to AoE?

StormWolf.7645:

Mag’s also took 2 weeks to get through this Tier. We won’t.

There is a huge difference between then and now due to the paid transfer announcement. DR is a dead server now and will probably end up in T7. BP also lost a ton since that first matchup against Mag.

Smitten.3076:

I actually enjoy this match up more than the Mag one. Mag’s zerg was organized , we only were able to bust maybe one group before the mass slammed into us.

Amen to that.

When you replace the word “quality” with “quantity” in some of these posts they start to make much more sense.

osif.8673:

Plok.6145:

Jscull.2514:

Havent run into any impressive BP 5 mans…do they exist?

You want 5 mans go play structured.

Actually, tournament play usually doesn’t see many 5v5s either as objectives are capture point based and rarely have a whole 5 man team rolling together. Those teams that zerg tend to lose.

Yup, the only way to have a chance for an impromptu (the best kind) of pure 5v5 is in WvW. The randomness and unexpected things that happen is what makes roaming in WvW fun.

sPvP is stale and boring.

Hopefully, you guys run across [MAN] at some point in time. I’m really interested how a matchup against WvW Roamers and tPvPers would play out.

StormWolf.7645:

Oozo.7856:

However, at the moment, Kaineng’s rank and file are generally very weak at open field fighting when compared to the other servers we have faced. I (being on DR) have never been able to judge how well DR did in open field fighting. So, it was hard for me to tell how good (or bad) DR was. Was it all population advantage or did they have some actual backbone when it came to fighting open field?

Now, I have my answer. DR was full of fairweather players who rode a population advantage to victory and once that population advantage was gone and things were no longer easy… they folded. The same might happen to Kaineng if you don’t get your rank and file into shape.

Not wholly true. I fought you guys in T8 and it was all numbers there…again…you had the occasional star 5-man and individual, but that was really all.(though honestly none of your Commanders has yet to impress me, no offense Morningstar! A Commander thinks of Server first, individual Pride second…and an alliance between DR and EBay has not even been -TRIED-…That to me is poor leadership. At least failed effort is still effort!)

The difference is…when I fought you on NSP. After the couple Tiers up, and fighting new people…DR had a LOT of Guilds step up their game and impressed the hell outta me. Your PUGs on average were a lot more organizable…but they still had the same weakness of Commanders being the source of your strength. If a Commander is killed…your Zerg usually followed. And again…I still wasn’t and am not impressed with DR Commanders. But your “Average person” is much better than they -were- in T8.

I’ll defer to your assessment since your viewpoint from being on the other side of the fence is going to be more accurate, IMO.

StormWolf.7645:

Dynnen.6405:

Over 350 kills in 3 hours. Thanks for the bags blue zergies!

Oozo.7856:

The people who gloated from DR are long gone. Turns out that they were typical fairweather players.

You missed one!(Don’t know what else to call that other than “Gloating”…I suppose you could say ‘Sarcastic Thank-you’…but that’s still a form of gloating when doing so publicly like this.)

I’m talking about the people who gloated over which SERVER was winning in a game largely determined by population and coverage. We never gloated over anything like that.

Killing people is entirely different.

lcc.9374:

And about all the stuff about Kaineng having no skill now?

Don’t read too much into what is being said. Obviously, there are skilled players on Kaineng as there are on every server.

However, at the moment, Kaineng’s rank and file are generally very weak at open field fighting when compared to the other servers we have faced. I (being on DR) have never been able to judge how well DR did in open field fighting. So, it was hard for me to tell how good (or bad) DR was. Was it all population advantage or did they have some actual backbone when it came to fighting open field?

Now, I have my answer. DR was full of fairweather players who rode a population advantage to victory and once that population advantage was gone and things were no longer easy… they folded. The same might happen to Kaineng if you don’t get your rank and file into shape.

I think Kaineng will do better on the way up than DR due to having more internal strength (and coverage) due to WM and SoS, but that is only going to carry you so far. You could end up in a good place, but whether you stay there or not depends on whether your fairweather players ditch you when and if you stall.

edit: The good news for you is that you might not hit that wall until after free transfers are gone, which will make it harder for your deadweight to get off of the server.

Draygo.9473:

Oh the delicious irony from the DR that for 9 weeks won our matchup in t8. Including spawn camping, dancing on enemies when you killed them 10 on 1, and posting smack on how awesome you are on the forum at every turn.

It would only be more delicious if Dred didn’t leave your server so he can post his excuses on the forum.

The people who gloated from DR are long gone. Turns out that they were typical fairweather players.

Yeah, they are kind of funny. 30-40 people running around together like a small man.

Lot’s of extending, looping, and flanking. Portal drops. Mass invising. They get high up on hills to try to hide to flank. They hide in nooks to try to lay ambushes. They definitely try to take advantage of stealth and culling with their numbers.

None of this caught us off guard since these are tactics that small groups use to fight when outnumbered. What’s funny is that they flip it and use the tactics to fight people they outnumber.

zastari.1730:

Maguuma strives to be finest zerg server!!!!!!!

Take heed that you are far better than Kaineng. Fighting Kaineng zergs is ezmode compared to Maguuma and it has nothing to do with numbers.

Jscull.2514:

Havent run into any impressive BP 5 mans…do they exist?

We only ran across one group who considered themselves a “5-man” from BP, but they transfered to Maguuma.

WM’s movement isn’t botting or something mysterious. They move like a small man group: extending, looping, and flanking. You just have to pay attention. They are fairly predictable and as far as I can tell they are carried by numbers.

This is an entertainment/humor style montage from a Guardian POV, but anyone interested in solo, duo, and small group WvW might find it interesting. For each of the movies I’ll be posting to this subforum from this point on I’ll try to add a main topic of discussion that is of concern for the small scale guys out there.

The main feature of the movie is the opening fight against a dagger/pistol thief. It bothers me that some classes have such good mobility that they can chose to disengage to get out of combat to get to full health and then re-engage whenever they want to.

What this means is that they have a very high margin for error and can basically just keep trying until they get it right or their less mobile opponent makes a fatal error. The risk versus reward with these high-mobility builds is totally out of whack in my opinion.

The thief and I discussed this and he, naturally, disagreed. If you are interested in that conversation, you can find it here.

If you are looking for more movies along these lines check out the follow playlist.

[Anonymous Defender] Playlist

Shadowkx.2738:

Oozo.7856:

Ninya.3942:

Oozo.7856:

Here comes honesty. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry.

Kaineng “zergs” have been the easiest to handle in terms of just straight up killing. That goes all the way back to T8 and judging from last night, nothing has changed there. There are just more zerglings to deal with.

Maguuma “zergs” have been the hardest to handle since they have some leaders and scouts that people actually listen to, are on voice together, and act cohesively.

There was nothing honest there, straight up opinion. And as for the spawn campers, most of us wouldn’t do it. We can’t control everyone :P

Me saying that Kaineng zergs have been the easiest for us to handle is a statement of fact. I did not say that Kaineng zergs are the worst in the game. That would have been an opinion.

To summarize:

Me: Our favorite color is blue.
You: That’s not honest, that’s just an opinion!

Some people apparently have trouble with what is and what is not a fact. Your subjective opinion is that Kaineng Zergs are the easiest to kill is not a fact. You would need to post some kind of objective measurement and allow multiple samples before you could indeed say it is a fact. If you think it is indeed easier to kill Kaineng zergs i truly hope you guys come out in force. I need something to do.

It is a FACT that Kaineng zergs have been the easiest for US to kill when compared to other servers we have played. Are you dense? I think we are perfectly qualified to state as a fact what has been easy for US to do and what hard been hard for US to do.

Hint: What I am saying is not the same thing as saying that Kaineng zergs are the easiest zergs to kill in the game.

Words: They mean stuff.

Kaineng Strategy:

Step 1 : Engage enemy

If win, proceed to Step 2.
If lose, add 10 more players and return to Step 1.

Step 2: Move to next objective
Optional: Post about how you outplayed your opponent

Return to Step 1

Junkpile.7439:

Stability, dodge, dodge maybe

In reference to my comment? You can check to see if they have stability before commiting and people don’t dodge a JI/SoA combo since it’s all instant. You won’t see it coming. Chances of some getting knocked off of the wall is pretty much 100%.

HRALP!!!wwwwaaassssssssMESMAR IZ BACK
EVRYON RUN 2 TOWERRR

Or just simply bypass the kill zone. I would have popped stability, JI’d to them and knocked some of them off the wall with SoA. Epic fight is over at that point in time.

Maladon.5760:

Wow, a zerg with exactly zero gap closers. If only every other zerg in existence played like this.

Yeah, we (and a lot of other small guilds) fight against numbers like this all the time but we are always having to deal with people pushing into our backfield which makes the fights far more challenging (and thus fun).

Then again, almost all of the “zergs” we fight have some kind of guild presence in them to coordinate some kind of push. Running across zergs that have zero guild or group presence in them is really kind of rare.

ghtchill.7613:

Ninya.3942:

Oozo.7856:

Here comes honesty. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry.

Kaineng “zergs” have been the easiest to handle in terms of just straight up killing. That goes all the way back to T8 and judging from last night, nothing has changed there. There are just more zerglings to deal with.

Maguuma “zergs” have been the hardest to handle since they have some leaders and scouts that people actually listen to, are on voice together, and act cohesively.

There was nothing honest there, straight up opinion. And as for the spawn campers, most of us wouldn’t do it. We can’t control everyone :P

Does Oozo follow us from match up thread to match up thread…or is it just me? Perhaps there are several Oozos.

I agree on the spawn camping. It’s a waste of time and resources and not at all interesting. I hope all of our Commanders eventually frown on it, but then every server does it.

It’s just you, heh. I have never dropped into a matchup thread to “stalk” Kaineng.

And, if you are talking about this matchup thread. Well, we are on DR… durr.

Ninya.3942:

Oozo.7856:

Here comes honesty. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry.

Kaineng “zergs” have been the easiest to handle in terms of just straight up killing. That goes all the way back to T8 and judging from last night, nothing has changed there. There are just more zerglings to deal with.

Maguuma “zergs” have been the hardest to handle since they have some leaders and scouts that people actually listen to, are on voice together, and act cohesively.

There was nothing honest there, straight up opinion. And as for the spawn campers, most of us wouldn’t do it. We can’t control everyone :P

Me saying that Kaineng zergs have been the easiest for us to handle is a statement of fact. I did not say that Kaineng zergs are the worst in the game. That would have been an opinion.

To summarize:

Me: Our favorite color is blue.
You: That’s not honest, that’s just an opinion!

Here comes honesty. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry.

Kaineng “zergs” have been the easiest to handle in terms of just straight up killing. That goes all the way back to T8 and judging from last night, nothing has changed there. There are just more zerglings to deal with.

Maguuma “zergs” have been the hardest to handle since they have some leaders and scouts that people actually listen to, are on voice together, and act cohesively.

BP is in the same demoralization spiral as DR. Will be interesting to see how this matchup plays out. It could be a pretty even match.

Cats and dogs living together.

My dad told me people were being mean to someone else’s dad and told me to tell everyone here that it makes him feel sad.

He said, “Son, this makes me feel sad. Tell everyone”
I replied, “Okay, dad. I will.”

Rhoto.8791:

basically…AD had claimed they rolled us… and no one from OG had ever seen or heard of AD. Thats what sparked this “fued”

That really doesn’t surprise me. They got caught so off guard and flatfooted and died so quickly that they probably didn’t even realize they were being killed by a guild group.

And, now for some more truth. That can happen to any guild group. It can happen to us. The initial contact of a small group fight is extremely important due to the extremely fast TTK in this game if you are caught unaware.

PAXA is a good small-man that we traded win/loss with in the previous matchup. Take a look at what happens when we set up a good ambush on them at 2:55.

Your problem is the attitude of some of your members. That’s what really started this “fued.”

I was very sick so had a huge backlog of footage to go through.

This was a really fun fight against Maguuma. Just speaking generally, the coordination displayed by Maguuma PUGs was pretty impressive (and thus frustrating) at times. I think that is what really seperated Mag from BP and DR and any other server I’ve played against for that matter (including when I was in T2 on DB).

Smitten.3076:

I sometimes run my Power necro for group PvP. =D

What’s the command for deguilding someone? YOU MUST PLAY CONDITIONS!!

Sol.4310:

Oozo.7856:

wads.5730:

Oozo.7856:

Sol.4310:

Ranger vs AD = Ranger win’s.

I’m seeing dead Rangers in this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsOy0YAj13s

I can’t wait to leave this Tier, I’ve taken hole week and bit off WvW to PvE new char to lvl 80 and get more items. Sorry say it but WvW is boring atm and the forums are full of smack/trash talkers.

You mean like some of your guildmates? Oh wait, you are the same guy that criticized others for running FOTM builds the day after Bunzy put out a movie with OG running two DDEs and three thieves. LOL.

and there is good chance you won’t be facing Mag for long time enjoy Tier 6, while we enjoy an more active tier.

Ranger Out…..

GL to you and your egos.

looked like a 10v4, then a second 10v4+guild claimer. bad positioning and initiation by OG. this is why you use voice chat

It is a 10v8. They try to stealth rez their ranger who got caught out of position and end up losing two early because of that. As I mentioned in my first post of this movie and on the youtube page, they made errors in positioning at the start of the fight. The supervisor had 3-4 minutes on the buff.

OG has proclaimed themselves to be the best roaming WvW guild out there, so they should have won this fight. I’m pretty sure the best roaming WvW guild would have beat us in this situation. We really aren’t that great. So, I’m going to have to assume that maybe OG is not the best roaming WvW playing GW2?

I hit a nerve didn’t I, so does AD continue to refuse a team challenge vs OG, surely your tactics and comms should own us seen as we are a BAD GUILD.

Or you going to sit on forums like always talking garbage……

I never said you were a bad guild. I actually think OG has a lot of good players. See, here is your problem: you care too much about whether people think you are good or not.

You expect to make posts about how you destroy everyone you run across (when that is not the case) and proclaim yourselves to be the best roaming WvW guild without catching some flak? Seriously?

dreztina.4820:

Oozo.7856:

But, you don’t hear us making a big deal out of other people running “FOTM” classes because of that. We do recognize that DDEs, Thieves, and Mesmers are by far the best 1v1 dueling classes in the game, however. We aren’t going to hypocritically call others out for running FOTM builds when people in our guild run some of those builds themselves.

Necros and Guardians aren’t underpowered for group PvP. In fact, they are quite good.

Actually, I’m pretty sure some of your guildies are doing just that. And ya, that was kind of my point regarding necs and guards. Eles, thieves, and mesmers may get the attention, but it’s not like you guys are running weak characters either. I have yet to see you run a group of 10 rangers or anything like that. I’m not even sure if I’ve seen any rangers or engis in your guild. Maybe a ranger.

Yeah, we aren’t good enough to run those 10 man ranger squads that the other good teams are running. Good point. Or not.

We have engineers. We have rangers but don’t typically run them since they are lacking for group PvP in our opinions (for pretty much the same reason I don’t run my power necro for group PvP).

Sol.4310:

Oozo.7856:

dreztina.4820:

Although, it’s not like AD doesn’t run thieves, eles, and mesmers as well. Killed enough of those last night. The fact that you run some unfortunately hugely underpowered classes like necros and guardians doesn’t exactly put you on a high horse when it comes to class picks.

But, you don’t hear us making a big deal out of other people running “FOTM” classes because of that. We do recognize that DDEs, Thieves, and Mesmers are by far the best 1v1 dueling classes in the game, however. We aren’t going to hypocritically call others out for running FOTM builds when people in our guild run some of those builds themselves.

Necros and Guardians aren’t underpowered for group PvP. In fact, they are quite good.

“We do recognize that DDEs, Thieves, and Mesmers are by far the best 1v1 dueling classes in the game” you don’t duel much do you, Mesmers might be but I wouldn’t say Ele or Thief’s are…

A good DDE or Thief can disengage and reset combat (and thus health) via mobility if they want or need to. That, alone, is enough to win pretty much any 1v1 against a class that can’t match their mobility.

dreztina.4820:

Although, it’s not like AD doesn’t run thieves, eles, and mesmers as well. Killed enough of those last night. The fact that you run some unfortunately hugely underpowered classes like necros and guardians doesn’t exactly put you on a high horse when it comes to class picks.

But, you don’t hear us making a big deal out of other people running “FOTM” classes because of that. We do recognize that DDEs, Thieves, and Mesmers are by far the best 1v1 dueling classes in the game, however. We aren’t going to hypocritically call others out for running FOTM builds when people in our guild run some of those builds themselves.

Necros and Guardians aren’t underpowered for group PvP. In fact, they are quite good.

wads.5730:

Oozo.7856:

Sol.4310:

Ranger vs AD = Ranger win’s.

I’m seeing dead Rangers in this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsOy0YAj13s

I can’t wait to leave this Tier, I’ve taken hole week and bit off WvW to PvE new char to lvl 80 and get more items. Sorry say it but WvW is boring atm and the forums are full of smack/trash talkers.

You mean like some of your guildmates? Oh wait, you are the same guy that criticized others for running FOTM builds the day after Bunzy put out a movie with OG running two DDEs and three thieves. LOL.

and there is good chance you won’t be facing Mag for long time enjoy Tier 6, while we enjoy an more active tier.

Ranger Out…..

GL to you and your egos.

looked like a 10v4, then a second 10v4+guild claimer. bad positioning and initiation by OG. this is why you use voice chat

It is a 10v8. They try to stealth rez their ranger who got caught out of position and end up losing two early because of that. As I mentioned in my first post of this movie and on the youtube page, they made errors in positioning at the start of the fight. The supervisor had 3-4 minutes on the buff.

OG has proclaimed themselves to be the best roaming WvW guild out there, so they should have won this fight. I’m pretty sure the best roaming WvW guild would have beat us in this situation. We really aren’t that great. So, I’m going to have to assume that maybe OG is not the best roaming WvW playing GW2?

Also you can’t dodge out of a root once its on you

The root on ranger root pulses. Perhaps he is saying that you can time your dodge right at the pulse in that split second where it refreshes. This might be possible, but not tested by myself personally.

Sol.4310:

Ranger vs AD = Ranger win’s.

I’m seeing dead Rangers in this movie.

I can’t wait to leave this Tier, I’ve taken hole week and bit off WvW to PvE new char to lvl 80 and get more items. Sorry say it but WvW is boring atm and the forums are full of smack/trash talkers.

You mean like some of your guildmates? Oh wait, you are the same guy that criticized others for running FOTM builds the day after Bunzy put out a movie with OG running two DDEs and three thieves. LOL.

and there is good chance you won’t be facing Mag for long time enjoy Tier 6, while we enjoy an more active tier.

Ranger Out…..

GL to you and your egos.

Yeah, was reading through the thread.

We’ve picked up some activity, so have been fielding 10-15 quite often which helped against the larger T5 zergs. Might be overkill if we drop back down. Not sure what we’ll do to fix that.