Guild Wars 2

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Pre-purchase HoT and we promise to fix the lag “soon”

" A free character slot, we all should be happy now!"

Sorry but as stated this is only if you pre-purchase! If you buy at or after release you wont get it!!!

We dont know what we are getting with HoT, and Anet expect us to throw $50 at them?! Sorry but you must be either really dedicated to Anet or just easy to get money off.

And dont forget all the pennies Anet makes from HoT wont be used to update WvW as much as we want it to.

More reasons to not buy it!

tbh I think Anet have made things worse for themselves.

Yes a lot of players just wanted the character slot to play revanant, and now in order to get that they have to pre-purchase at $50.

So what happens when HoT is finally released and the content isnt what they thought? What if what we’ve seen so far is all we get for at least another year? What if the PvE is still terrible and WvW’s new map becomes EOTMv2? What will happen then?

VOLKON.1290:

castlemanic.3198:

I just hate how anti-consumer this prepurchase deal is. buy the game early without any proof that it’s going to be well made/well balanced.

Don’t get me wrong, i look forward to heart of thorns and will purchase it, but publishers are not looking our for the consumers when they force preorder/prepurchase deals.

The same exact argument was shed when GW2 first offered it’s pre-purchase. Same exact thing.

Players has a lot more trust with Anet then. Players enjoyed GW1 and were eager for GW2 that they were willing to spend on pre-purchase.

With HoT we havent seen much of the content, the little content there is, Anet have alienated and angered almost everyone, and now some players are not willing part with their money so easily.

Its not the same thing when players have lost the trust.
For instance whilst I was writing this the original thread was merged into this one, so had to write it all down again.

kitteng.1920:

are you seriously asking for a literally “free” character slot? The new character slot bonus in the prepurchase is now in favor for veterans that don’t want to delete a existing character on their account for the new class.

And what if I am a veteran who doesnt buy it until after launch for one reason or another?
Oh wait there goes the so called favour!

I want an expansion and a free character slot as well.

But instead we’re getting a feature pack dressed up in marketing BS to make you think it’s an expansion, and the character slot if only free if you order now!

OK no I dont want an expansion, I want WvW content updates which are more than once every 3 years! (Remember ye olde white knights I said content, not QoL)

Dont worry surly some of that HoT money will go to improve WvW servers……….right?

Entenkommando.5208:

Orimidu.9604:

All comes down to the cost:content ratio. Therefore I will not be prepurchasing since there is nothing to show how much content will be in the expansion.

It’s not about cost:content ratio, it’s about cost:playtime ratio

Yeah, and seeing how bad the PvE is in the current game, I have not seen enough to show that this feature pack will produce anything better.

As such I have mainly been a WvW player, the matchups right now are very stale, lots of people arent playing much any more; just a couple hours peak time then off to other games.
This pack brings one new map, which thankfully we can play on without buying HoT. But what else will we get? How long before the new maps become EOTMv2?

For a WvW player the content and playtime still dont justify the cost.

One character slot only if we pre-purchase before launch.

Sorry still not good enough, the price need to be lowered! HoT still does not have enough content to justify the $50!!!

The ups and downs of GW2

So how about it, why not publicise the number of copies sold in the first week for the GW2 beta pre-purchase and this week’s total for HoT?

Or are the numbers that disappointing they wont?

No it’s not about the character slot.

Yes we all expect the character slot, but for me it’s the neglect WvW received. I am not paying them $50 to ignore the game mode I like to play for yet another 3 years!

And second it’s about the content, the content information we so far have received does not warrant this being called a full expansion seeing that half of it’s about changing the mechanics of the game. Who the hell would pay for that?!

sevenDEADLY.5281:

Actually you’re not. But by all means, get a lawyer and take them to court if you truly believe you are. Let me know how that goes.

I guess we have someone who takes things too seriously.

People like you are the ones who are saying we claim to be entitled, and now you are saying we should go get lawyers…..

Come on already, how many times are you going to come up with excuses for Anet’s total lack of management?!

Don’t waste money on lawyers and such. It’s not worth it. Just vote with your wallet.

Exactly, if I am to pay the extortionate $50 I would feel entitled for the game mode I play to be updated as regularly as the rest. But it didnt and as such I will not pay for this feature pack.

Seem a lot of those who are supported Anet are throwing around the word Entitled.

Well guess what I am entitled!
I am entitled to new WvW maps, WvW bug fixes, WvW hack fixes, banning of WvW hackers, new WvW content, new WvW features etc etc.

If I am to pay $50/£35 on HoT I want more than just one well delayed and untested WvW map with untested features et al!

And based on past performances and level of content WvW has received, we are entitled to more!

Unlike some we know what our dollar is worth, and so far what we’ve been presented with with HoT’s content, our dollars are worth more!

So yeah we are entitled, but we also know when not to spend our money on an inferior product; and HoT is an inferior product!

I would only consider it an expansion if they added a new continent, not just one zone!

“Oh look they added a new tree” – Expansion confirmed, now pay us $50! And expansion has to be above a given amount of content, and HoT doesnt meet that limit.

Every expansion with GW1 came with character slots, yet none on this. But again that is just one of the issues.

Minae Iss.7054:

3 people mention that a ‘payed/bought youtuber’ can not be trusted yet the first thing he says is explaining that he is not under any contract to say certain stuff and this is his honest opinion. ( Same with WoodenPotatoes btw, he has never been afraid of ranting about things Anet kittened up) . He makes a lot of valid points. The community has overreacted to a miscommunication from Anet wich was ment as a gift towards new players.

I disagree with him that a character slot wouldn’t solve it, I really think it would. That or 800 gems extra for ALL editions.

So if any of them came out saying they hate Anet for such a ridiculously priced feature pack being sold as a full expansion, where existing players are kittened right over is just a greedy money grab they think they will get away with, but it’s just blown up in their faces.

Do you think they would still pay to fly him over and test stuff?

It’s not an expansion, it’s a feature pack.

LMAO, he starts off with saying Anet fly him over to his offices to test out new stuff, as well as support him. So why should we listen to what he says now? Everything he says will of course be to please his masters.

Submit a support ticket and ask for a refund, then pre-purchase HoT

If Anet refuse to give us who already have GW2 a cheaper upgrade package for HoT, do you really think they will do so in the future?
But seeing the bad response from players at the prices, if Anet do not change it there wont be any future expansions.

One new area, which is on average 3 new zone maps; and in this instance each will have 3 levels.

How much content each level will have, we do not know.
How large each map zone will be, we do not know.

No new dungeons or anything like that.
One new WvW map which is way way way overdue, in which WvW players have already complained it contains too much PvE content.

When I pre-ordered the expansion for GW1 I got 2 free expansion slots with each one I think.

Yet with this we arent even getting a real expansion and not even 1 character slot.

Even if Anet add a slot to the £35 Standard HoT copy I still will not buy it, because this feature pack is not an expansion!

It’s a feature pack, not enough content for a full expansion!

You can still ask for a refund via a support ticket.

In-game purchase has been added via the latest build, its still £35 and includes the core game O.o

No no no no no no and no.

3 years of lies, 3 years of neglect, 3 years of being ignored, 3 years of infractions and silence.
Sorry but as a WvW player I feel even more ripped off here!

Kain Francois.4328:

The pricing is unethical, but come on. We’ve been waiting 3 years for this expansion. Is there any hard core GW player who isn’t going to buy this?

Yup, me!

CrimsonDX.4821:

It is all idiotic bluster. All the free content we have received since launch easily covers the cost.

Tell that to WvW players!

Supply and demand?

Well the demand is lower prices, so they’ll have amble supply when noone buys it at these inflated and delusional prices!!!

It’s not worth it at all!

A lot of people have said now and in the past they are only willing to pay $20 for the expansion with a character slot.

Just look at the forum here now, Anet have just kittened off everyone!

Standard version includes the core game as well, which is good news for new players

But way too expensive for those of us who already have the game.

And definitely way too expensive if Anet wants current WvW players to buy it as well as trying to get the hordes of players who left the game back as well.

You need to rethink this Anet!

10% isnt much, 5% isnt much, even 1% isnt much.

But when you put two identically evenly skilled players together where one has the ascended gear, the one with the ascended gear will always win.

It’s not much, but every little helps when it comes to any fight.

So if you have the gold and mats craft your ascended gear. If you dont exotics are fine but expect to lose some fights.

As usual

1) Anet want to make a big change
2) Anet do not test the change like they should, but then even they know EOTM is a failure. But still wont do a temp test in WvW.
3) Implement change anyway.
4) WvW must live with it.

Oh wait this isnt the thread I was looking for, I was expecting people to say ACs are OP enough, increasing condi stacks will just make WvW ACvAC.

lmao, the only way you are going to kill a golem in citadel is if you leave it well away from a legendary defender! And if you did that then what were you doing?!

Even with a zerg, the defenders aoe one-shots will have you all dead buy the time you even get near a golem.
Even if you mass invis, right up to the golem, you’ll only have a second to attack it before you die, meaning you would have to come back 50-100 times with your zerg to kill a golem defended by a legendary defender.

It’s usually the phrase “If it aint broke dont fix it”

With Anet it’s the opposite “If it is broke, ignore it”

WvW has been broken since launch, dont expect much on fixes.

1) Dont expect much from Anet, they have done very very very little to fix or update WvW. 3 year and finally we are getting a replacement map for WvW.

2) As FrouFrou said, if you dont like it, then it sounds like it isnt for you. WvW is about playing as a team, though thanks to Anet’s views and lack or balance, it’s all about playing as a massive zerg and outnumbering your enemies, especially when they are asleep.

Some players like playing in a zerg, others like fighting in their smaller group against the zerg, some like to protect their towers, others dont give a kitten cos they want fights and will only defend if they will get a good fight out of it.

So the biggest part of WvW is communication, if you are not on your server TS, then you are the one cutting yourself off, map and team chat are less than half of what is going on on the map.

Yes you do not get any rewards for scouting a tower, blame anet’s laziness and neglect for that, but it is still a vital part of WvW. If you dont want to hear what your scouts are telling you then again that is your problem.

So are we now allowed to post about hackers in the forum????

zhonnika.1784:

I will definitely check out EU! Where would EU players suggest that I visit first? Also, remember I am a little lowbie so that I can move this account around without killing myself in gems.

I would recommend Gunnar’s Hold.

It’s stuck in the middle of silver league and is now almost always fighting 2 german servers.
If you dont know the infamy of german servers, then Gunnar’s is where you’ll find out.
It’s the perfect place to see how quantity is better than quality in WvW. And how avoiding fights (by the german servers) shows that the scoring mechanism is just messed up.
And they cannot get out of it seeing as they have 3 german, 1 French and 1 Spanish servers above them, and 3 german and 1 French below. All of whom play the well organised, highly unskilled method of zerg PvD and running away when they see the enemy “zerg” of 25, even though they outman them 3-1.

ArchonWing.9480:

Although speaking of no white swords and PPK, it seems like PPK was well received and white swords much more mixed.

That’s why I said originally. Although I am not a fan of PPK myself as it allows players with spy accounts to just kill each other, and we even had people posting videos of guild members on rival servers just running back from spawn to allow themselves to be killed; it was beneficial to those servers who like fights rather than PvD.
But my point from that was that we got something no-one asked for, and when I asked where they got the idea from, they didnt reply. Of all the problem WvW has, the devs somehow managed to grasp those two things from nowhere and claim we all wanted it.

Remember how EOTM was supposed to be the WvW feature testing ground, how one thing many want from EOTM is to have tower champs to become stronger the more players there are attacking it? We still dont have that.
And EOTM has become such a Ktrain that even Anet knew they cant use it for WvW testing and that’s why they had to do the white sword removal and PPL in actual WvW matchups.

Well for now all I’ll say is at least these two players actually spend time in WvW and in the WvW forums; even though they are both in the gold league.

So they should know what to expect and can handle it already.

But just remember a lot of players were not happy when all the Adopt-A-Dev scheme got was white swords and PPK, things many did not want or ask for originally based on the responses on the forums. Let’s hope we get something we want out of this.

Oh and good luck.

All I’ve taken from that is:

zhonnika.1784:

My first report on WvW went out last week,

And you did not consult anyone by creating a new thread to get the latest opinions from the community….

Reading through random thread is one thing, but you wont get all the info. Bes thing to do is follow the CDI structure, ask which topic ppl want to discuss, then get people to vote on one, then create a new thread about it so players can post all their views into it rather than what they normally post, which isnt always the full picture.

Bah! Back stab thieves! I have no love for them!

We all know anet doesnt really care much for WvW, we’re still complaining about the lag since launch.

We basically have to live with what we got, and be quiet about it.

But if you ask me HoT is, as OP also said, going to make things worse, it’ll become an even worse zerging mode where the main objective will be to defend the mega Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon which can destroy all gates of all enemy towers slowly and without a need to be at their gates.

I have a full ventari staff ele using it. Of course I have me ele set as a main water ele.

Problem is that going for a healing build means you get less tags, which in turn means less loot.

Players want loot, so you wont get very many players using it.

lordkrall.7241:

Can people name a single thing in any MMO that is more than a week month old that is challenging?

GW2 – Creating a Legendary.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

style.6173:

@OP:

Personally, it is just nice to see someone from ANET posting in these forums.

I second this

it was quite nice f you!

Yes but when first it’s a thread there any one else would post they would be infracted, and second it isnt what people want to hear; it’s kindda annoying.

We still havent got an update from Steve regarding the lag issues.

This is what a kittening hate!

Anet staff do things we are not allowed!

This is a matchup thread, they were banned LONG ago! Why has a staff member gone and started a matchup thread?!

Best way to remove zerg is to change WvW completely.

Even without a tag, players have map chat ans TS, you just tell everyone where you are, and a zerg forms.

Guild groups who dont want to zerg start off small and untagged, but eventually, either becuase you cause orange swords or pugs run into you, you end up creating a zerg where pugs refuse to leave you alone.

We were hoping the new HoT map and changes would help, but so far things has gonnen worse where the new maps seem more like EOTMv2 and the changes mean less defending and upgrading required.

And another thing we’ve all complained about is that with megaservers, server transfers are now solely for WvW players.

The costs do not match the WvW capabilities of a server, rather the full WvW+sPvP+PvE population of the server.

We’ve all complained that this is unfair and yet still no acknowledgement from anet.

Deli.1302:

Coming up to 2 months and still hasn’t been fixed. What’s up Anet?

It’s simple, the cycle has begun once again!

We will not hear anything for another 6 months where another mod/dev will appear to say they will help and look into it, only for them to disappear as well.

For 3 years we’ve had this cycle! The answer is therefore they cannot fix it! Yet they lead us on instead of admitting the truth.