Guild Wars 2

Wow many drama you found here Pyro

Just a question, my latets steup is ment for wvwvw as it involves food etc. As its orientated for a specific part of gameplay is it still of interest?

It uses old shatter Cat heavy,s hoelbrak runes for might stacking and less condi uptime, centers around might stacking with food, runes and interupts, high toughness, pu and power based dmg. The mightstacks give a condition preasure bonus. It also involves capability to with 1 change of a trait and swap GS for staff to be more survival based and give mobility for solo roaming.

Build name: Hidden Cat
Originator name: Osicat
Link to build thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-WvWvW-Pve-Shatter-Cat-2013-12-16/first

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@Adri, What would I do without you ppl read thru what i pst and tell me when I fail. I got al im my head but when I try to put it on paper it kinda… gor corrupted lol.

Ofc Torch not pistol Ty alot. Also the berzerker accesorys stuff suppose to be +18 vit, also I was planning to press some valkyre in on a few spots. But just as you say, im no big fan of vitality normaly, especialy when the condition removal is high like in this build.

About easter and veil, sure, the builds I post is only “how I like to do it” but what work for me not nessesery need to work for others.

/Osicat

PS, Build is now called “hidden Cat” its just so chessy name I could not help lol.

Added this build today to my guide , been tetsing it sens I came back. Its Using:

Holebreak runes (might+condition defense)
Might Stacking
Chavaler and knight gear with a few Berzerker
Energy regain = high
Might on dodge food.

GS/sword+torch

With mightstacking up your dmg go skyhigh for a PU roamer.

Direct dmg PU Cat

Update

New build

Direct dmg PU Cat

3.2 – Direct dmg PU Cat

A high dmg spec who aloso have high toughness plus PU? Yes it can be wery effective in terms of roaming and also fill a role in a bigger scale fight. It’s effective in small groups and solo play but also in bigger teams of 10-15 man. As your clones don’t need to survive to do dmg Or help your team with cc you can go rather deep into the fight. The spec also use shatters as a burst tool
High pressure with sudden spikes of crit dmg from shatters and phantasm dmg make this spec capable of down most enemy’s.
Might stacking and clone generating fast due to double force and might on dodge.
This is manly a for wvwv but work well in sPVP non tournament. When I have backup I use GS, If solo I often use staff.
Runes in the build and sigils:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Hoelbrak
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Perception

Food:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Orrian_Truffle_and_Meat_Stew

Base is to keep high power and crit, use the Heavy’s gearsetup for 1800+ toughness and stack might for give pressure dmg. Especially the GS setup have a superb might stacking capability.

Characteristics:

Use sword in MH .
Use OH torch with trait for condition clearing and short cd.
Staff for defensive gameplay GS for offensive
Mightstacking, high dmg and high survival
Geared for passive defense but still with high dmg output and burst capability
Gear and Build: http://tinyurl.com/Hidden-Cat

ENjoy!!!!!

Wooops, well perplexy it is

sorry

/Osicat

@Debuti: http://tinyurl.com/Condition-cat-3-0

/Osicat

My Updated build.

Notice the thief fights:

Update

New build : Condition Cat 3.0

Enjoy

/Osicat

Same time as if you play PU a good thief will simply not fight you as its close to impossible to win 1 vs 1 for him/her.

I completely updating the builds starting with heavy cat 4.0 and condition cat 3.0

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@Krispera, why I linked this vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1afZXOD8fE

It show how to by use the dodge roll fish for the BS,s as a shatter mesmer. Ofc a PU condition build is alot more efefctive versus a BS thief as it basicly disable the thief but kittenter you need to be smart and take controll of the fight.

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@Dakota, As I said in my previous post I remaking al builds after latest patch’s. At the moment no of the updated builds I have use any of the runes you mention.

As a side note, when the builds was made (Mist 2.0) the air burst was totaly woth the proc, best hit I had by that time with the proc was ~7k. That took 50%+ of a GC thief. But again, its not important as I atm remaking al builds.

Only 2 builds currently in the Shatter Cat guide is Condition 3.0 and Heavy 4.0, neather fully tuned and still under construction.

/Osicat

For shatter builds This is still my “how to” way of handle burst thiefs:

/Osicat

Hi.

This video after 3.20 show how I usualy fight thiefs in both sPvP and wvwvw using Pu.

Updated version of this build will soon be avable in video, this is old 2.0 version:

Condition Cat 3.0 Build:

Roaming and group combat: http://tinyurl.com/Condition-cat-3-0

Low populated roaming (Aka early mornings) and dueling: http://tinyurl.com/Condition-cat-3-0-duel

Heavy 4.0 incoming after, will look more or less like this.

http://tinyurl.com/Shatter-Cat-Heavy-4-0

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Uppdate and Message to the guide folowers.

Hi all.

I had a looong brake from the game. Played semi casual and not had time for any gaming last weeks. Now I play to start play GW2 some again. Will also put soem energy in update the guide.

This will force me to cut hard in the builds as they not al viable of optimal in some cases,

My first update is to polich and sort Condition Cat as its my capital build atm in wvwvw.

New build is called…. Condition Cat 3.0

Video will come in some time. mabye 3-5 days.

Roaming and group combat: http://tinyurl.com/Condition-cat-3-0

Low populated roaming (Aka early mornings) and dueling: http://tinyurl.com/Condition-cat-3-0-duel

Next step is sort 1 shatter build. Will most likley delete several wvwv builds thu.

/Osicat

OK, Hi ppl.

Been a while. I been taking a brake, even smurfed a little and atm also pve rading in another gaem. Still, might bump in some in the comming. Will read tru ppls post and try answer some questions in the coming days when I have time.

/Osicat

PS:

Sad to hear mate, have my condolences.

/Osi

@Hesy Ra, Wvwvw a gift from God, Pve a close to usless rune set.

@Dognuts, in a team yes, solo roaming I think its to squisy. For Pve its fatntastic.

@My Sweet Lily, Its a extremly interesting rune. Still its to complax to say if its betetr than any other set without proper tetsing. Its not better than perplexy for a deep condition set. Its not better than holbreak or a tanky set. Still mabye its a better alternative for a semi bursty 20-20-0-0-30 alt 0-20-20-0-30 build.

@CyberMurmeli, Viable, yes. Best build, depends on what you going to do. Still for overall wvwvw i feel Condition cat 2.0 or shatter cat Heavy 3.0 be most flexible and fill most roles.

/Osicat

PS, I dont play as much atm as I used to atm. Some ther things have got in between including testing a pve MMO atm. I keep you updated.

@Cerebi, dosent matter the minor i ullusion is in differetn order, as you have 30 p in illusions you get em al anyway, if i had been 20p thu I would needed to update it.

The Heavy 3.0 dont use domination idd. It absed on maximice power and condition thru might while have hight survival. The spec cause of this have a little rampuptime before max dps but its dps is extremly good in relation to its survival.

Worth see. My burst shatter tutorial.

/Osicat

If you need any help Im awable aswell. This seems like a awsome community project.

I can offer.

-duel tipps
-duel partner
-wvwvw roaming and 10~ppl team gameplay input

/Osicat

Thing is Jayster, if you realy want a thief proof build, a build who fit current pvp meta in terms of survival and dmg then you look at PU 20-20-30 builds. You specificly asked around the fact you was in a 20-20-0-0-30 shatter build. Problem is that in the contest pvp meta we see atm the pu mesmers are rather weak as point cappers. We both kill close to anything we run into and survive in 1vs x as pu.Still fact is pu 20-20-30 is a bad class for cap and keep points as the builds core is stealth.

The question for good theifs is harder in vids, alot due to as soon somone lose a duel vs a PU mesmer he is seen as a bad player. The build simply make players look bad.

I can for sure thay this. I play 20-20-30 both in duels, wvwvw and spvp, Im aroun 95-98% win rate vs thiefs in the spec in both wvwvw duels and unexpected fights. I duel alot.

Many duel servers banned PU builds even as they seen to effective.

I add 2 vids from the spec.

After first fight you see how it work vs a bs thief in a duel. The named thief destroyed alot of ppl in fights before. Tbh when defenses are up and a duelist its not realy anything he can do. I can outsurvive, outmobile and out dmg him

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aL7wd_cJkxY

Second fight is not specifly a Thief vid. Instead its coop wih a thief but as you asked for good mesmer kill rate compared to thiefs here you go.

http://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=up56e1v2#/watch?v=VpqP_AHb7p8

/Osicat

Gave you a like for the LOS leap, a often missed moves by mesmers.

/Osicat

Im amused of how this kind of threads always get directed to the thief forums, when we accualy have another class who have a extreme amount of stealth. Even better if i team up with a thief as we support eachothers.

Just feel thiefs get a target for al this stealth nerf shouts when they accualy not is the only stealth abusers.

Now I think there is ways to counter stealth and no need to nerf thief stealth. It would demand a total rework of the whole class.

/Osicat

Can alo add that If i been triggered that stealth trap I muts likely would had died as my mobility is ar lesser and based on boons from stealth. But any good players also is blessed with some luck

/Osicat

@Cerebi, Hi.

As my rotations, guides and builds exist in tutorials on top sticky in this forums I wont re write it all. I will thu give you 3 options for build.

Survival frontline shatter build, high toughnes WERY condition resistant. Hard to kill, superb dmg output but with rampuptime (after 20 sec fighting its dmg potensial is max)

Name: Shatter Cat heavy 3.0

Extreme condition dmg build. Praktikly unkillable in wvwvw unless you do a mistake.

Name: Condition Cat 2.0

Insane dmg build. A bit glascannon ~1400 toughness.

Name: Shatter Cat Phantasm hybrid

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How to video connected to the shatter cat guide.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1afZXOD8fE

/Osicat

Many good tipps here. As this is a common question I get in mails or in my guide I made a " how to" guide a while ago. notice boon timing contra immunitys. Also how to aim your dodge to get a thief revieled an mess with hes positioning.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1afZXOD8fE

/Osicat

Ps, you can also spec Condition cat 2.0 and just make him dead. The spec dissable thiefs

@Malakin, solid singil and a good option.

@Sarkonis Cheers for feedback.

/Osicat

Shattered conditions is a EXTREMLY good shatter ability, the positioning as a grandmaster in the phantasm tree is due to this eather a extremly bad joke or a extremly bad knowledge of how mesmers work from Anets side. The positioning as a GM in phantasm tree make it close to usless as phantasms players need to drop al their accual dps to use it and a shatter player cant get the trait and still have a viable deep illusion shatter build.

Its just like they would place the 25 pt in inspiration (%dmg to phantasms) as a grandmaster in illusions and the domination % dmg as a gm in domination.

/Osicat

As mesmers have a problem in meta vs conditions I would not mind if AT and Mantra of clear condis would be merged. It would buff mantra builds, make al shatter builds more punishing vs conditions and give a shor cd condition clear. Would also open some interesting 30 domination builds.

/Osicat

We have several superb roaming builds. I generaly focus on roaming when I play. My favorites are:

Condition Cat 2.0:

Shatter Cat heavy 3.0:

Shatter Cat Mist 2.0:

Enjoy

/Osicat

We have several superb roaming builds. I generaly focus on roaming when I play. My favorites are:

Condition Cat 2.0:

Shatter Cat heavy 3.0:

Shatter Cat Mist 2.0:

Enjoy

/Osicat

Here is another woth watch, Its about how to fight condition resistant classes with the Condition cat 2.0 build. First dight is a duel versus 2 legendary using Guardians.

/Osicat

@Snizzle, Depends on your build. Standars shatter my best tip is to use staff and generaly lose him/bail. Its not a good counter to that build. if you condition you use pistol phantasm + scepter block, tag him and cast scepter beem while he stelathed (as it channels) and he be dead alot before you. Hes biggest weakness is that he rely on 1 condition mainly for dmg, bleed. A standard 20-20-30 condi build clear bleeds 2 times with torch only, add mantra of clear the condis and you basily fine.

/Osicat

@All,

So here is a vid, about how to handle condition resistant classes.

/Osicat

I not minor your question, but to be fair. Warriors, and even stun warriors is probobly one of the classes we mesmer are best to counter. Other classes have TONS of problems with the perma stuns but no other class have the amount of stunbrakers we have. Sword leap, staff 2, blink, decoy etc al brake stun or move us out of it.

Just keep range, kite and you can have a coffie while kill him. Ignore the stability, just kite around while hes have that uff, stealth some, leap some, blink some. kitten soon its off kill him. Not found more than 2 warrior that I had to work to kill in the last 5 months.

/Osicat

3:0 thats a stomp

/Osicat

I would say a mesmer + thief playing together make a rather interesting roaming team. This as traited for it both benefit of eachothers, synergy of stealth and vulnebility etc.

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@Moca Cocu, I have a “how to”video about this mate. Have not posted as I would like to let enougth ppl first see the team vid. Can you wait 1 day and you will have the answer in videoform?

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@Overlord, this is why I use sword+ pistol / scepter+torch for the condition cat 2.0 alot of the time. It give both proxy clones and ranged clones, appply vuln for mate to use and other conditions to preasure. I again reccomend to see the video I linked in the post 10 mins ago Note dmg spike at 2:06

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For shatter direct The shatter cat 3.0 build offers 60% less condition uptime. Its a build I find I can dela with necros in. In the condition cat 2.0 Its just silly, necros melt.

Trick ALWAYS when fight a necro is to use the fact they benefit from fight proxy to you. Deny this, counter with bursts and range to disable them. this work ALOT better in wvwvvw than in spvp ofc. In spvp I simply pick condition build and kill them instead.

Condition Cat 2.0

Heavy 3.0

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Overlord. Have a look at this setup, note dmg spike 2:06 and later in:

/Osicat

Feel free to have a look in my guide. The condition Cat 2.0 with pistol is amazing. Se dmg spike at 2:06 in first vid:

/Osicat

@Kingcragus, Tbh condition mesmer are pretty strong atm. Confusion as you say is indeed not a 1 trick pony that you can kill anyone with. If you instead use confusion as a bonus and controll stats, kill with bleed,s torment and burn you have a perfetc roamer setup.

@ All. I dont understand whay anyone would think mesmers as weak for wvwvw. Sure for special task like run in a mele bal press nr 1 its worse than warrior but that is no al the game is about for all. Ppl play the game in many ways and for alot of them mesers are a most needed class.

For group play Mesmers are a must to be effective due to weil, and other utilitys.

For roaming mesmers are a extremly compitent class who is in a good position vesus al other classes in a 1 vs 1 and most oth the time can bail any fight he/she not want to fight.

/Osicat

Ok I feel obligated to answer your post now that I somehow ended up post a message in it

For Pve fractals a common DPS spec is wery effective. 20-20-0-0-30 with a GS / sword+focus, feedback, nullfield, timewarp is a good build. The daze shatter + feedback giev the team a superb burst of dmg aswell.

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Im sorry, I posted my answer in a PM to somone om my phone. No idea who it ended up in your thread. Serius bugg lol. Sorry.

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@Zarfin, core thing is: You dont trait for stats, you trait for power.

So what do I mena with this. I mean that the differens between 20-20-0-0-30 or 10-30-0-0-30 is not the stats. Its te traits who totaly affect the gameplay and style. The 20-20-0-0-30 biggest benefit in a shatter build is that it let you stack 20-25 vulnebility with daze before you do a mindwrack. this give 25% extra dmg. The dueling 30 is taken for one of the GM stats most common alternative to fit in pistol trait and sword in same build.

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@ <GuM> and Dei Veien, I lift my hat for you guys. Some serious good fighting spirit in you and was a pleasure to meet you in the field.

/Osicat

Il ask my guildmate To post hes build in here. He do it better than I do.

Glad you liked the synergy setup. Its extremly fun to play and it feels like you can drop armies of enemys if yo just play it correct and as a team.

/Osicat