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@Pyroatheist, have yoy tetsed veil as a utility for the setup? With the change to a woring light field it might be effective with iDuelist for this build? I use it in the condition build I use in sPvP. As your phantasm attack dont debuff your stealth a veil + sumon iDuelist is a rather effetcive combo to stay undetected and preasure at same time.

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@Zarfin, a core of the setup is that alot of your dmg id done by your clones and phantasms. If you for example run iduelist+ sword you want to start attack in stealth by summon iDuelist, swap to torch /scepter. Hit torch still in stealth while your duelist attack the target who by now take dmg without even know wher you are. Go close to him, summon a image and start septer nr 3, this add 8 stacks och confusion, ~3k direct dmg + tortch burn. You now rewealed, but as enemy conuter attack hes hevay preasured by confusiona nd conditions, if he attack you block and apply torment, then swap to sword and do a 2 sec immunity and blink away, hit massinvis or decoy + summon a new iduelist as soon its off cd.

This is just a example but a often use tactic when you have pistol. Staff need another aproach as you dont wanr revealed but have better defense.

Also remeber, leap thru veil for chaos armour.

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You do put alot of your own oppinions in as facts thu. The " fact that our condition builds are lesser than other classes " are your own opinion and you use it as a fact. I dissagree on this and say a condition mesmer kill a condition necro, and most other classes with exeption wery good engis. A necro is better at keep a point thu and this is the issue for current meta. If you just want to hotjoin and be able to kill any other class while having fun 20-20-30 pu is the best condition build ingame in my opinion ( see what i did there (: ).

I also of the opionion that if you let somone put aoe bleed on you untill you died you did misstakes that could been avoided. So far only burst have been able (burst of cc+ conditions or cc and direct dmg ) to kill me and this is burst from several players. With pu you can anytime stealth and whithdraw, let enemys hit your clones and heal up yourself, use clensings if needed and jump back into combat when you in better condition.

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@Zarfin, Its not the best for tPvP as its use alot of stealth, but my spvp build so far destroy anything i fought in hotjoin. Feel free to have alook in the spvp section of my guide.

spvp s c build

If you are eu, /w me to friends add and you can spectate some if you want to see some more.

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@Runic, Hi mate.

What you need is to make up your mind Eather you need to dedicate to shatters, drop the 5 points out of dueling and get IP in Illusions and focus on shatter more. If you do this you lose the need of try stack phantasm, instead thye be like hellfire misiles Release and forget. You send a phantasm away, wait a little and use him as a bomb. For this type of gameplay you DO NOT want pure condition build. You want a hybrid setup.

Here is my hybrid shatter setup, it do almoats the same dmg in power as a glascannon buiuld, it also have bleeds tick for 100~ / tick and survive almost anything you throw at it.

If you rather want the phantasm to be a backbone of your dmg, shatter only in desperation and do more condition dmg purly. Well then you want to dedicate to this. Drop most shatter focused abilitys, make sure you have atleast 20 dueling and 20 chaos for survival and clone production, clone to do dmg on death + bleed on crits.

Here is my condition build:

Enjoy and if you curious about builds etc have a look in my Guide.

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@LeDiabolique, Its a viable rune, not my at first glance favorite. Alsoits lost ALOT of its usfellness with the confusion nerf. Still its al up to how many stacks they apply. If its 1 stack for 10 sec, its mehe, if its 5 stacks its woot

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The sword is not there for direct dmg, its there for sword clones who die close to the target in mele range every dodge. Also for the cripple, immobelice and 2 sec immunity.

For Pve Idd Rampager is good stuffs, but dont forget the bleed stacking scale on toughness preci condi gera better (critts = bleeds, toughness = condi dmg)

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Also never be afriad to ask And challange me al you want, If Im wrong somewere and somone point it out its just good. This is why I test and retest everything before I add it to the guide.

@All

Shatter Cat Dmg & Support have been updated to be effective in the new wvwvw meta. More dmg,more burst and mightstacking. Still wery high crit dmg, better condition clearing in terms of condi uptime + the new buffed nullfield (32 sec cd in this build for clear condis on you, boons on enemys and apply blinds on enemy)

Enjoy.

@Moaning Marv, itsa troll spec good mainly for 1 vs 1, just dont give him hes fight. If you in the condi build I use latley he will flee thu.

@Azo, I have to apologice, I dont realy get al you ask here. I try my bets answer what I get thu

1- Support build dont have any points in chaos, so neater are relevant. If it had used any thu I would used illusionary defense due to any GS build need ALL suvival it can get.

2 – I prefere try max crit, both ways are valid but for the support build I want crita s high as possible, this as Im not after constant dmg, im after burst on already wounded tagets in a group fight. Im about to update the build thu in the comming week and we will se more might on the setup.

3- Sorry lost me, Melandru is valid setup thu. GS builds always will be a target for anyone after a easy kill.

4- Dont get this one, sorry, I do shower thu form time to time

5- Dmg&support not suppose to be in frontline, it suppose to be in a group and let your mates defend you.

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Think thats where the problem is in sPvP Daishi. The current spvp setup with area on ground where you HAVE TO STAND to cap/defend is wery bad for some classes who use movment and acctive defense. If I have to care about the point I have a big disadvantage versus a necro who can put a field of mines on the cap part + focus hes dmg in that area.

I just dont give a crap about the point when face a necro and then I can kill him. In tPvP this ins not a valid option and here comes my question to arena net.

WHY do we only have 1 type of Meta in tPvP, 1 kind who give stable area controlling calsses big benefits and forces them into a few builds. I would like to see some capture the flag modes, defuse the bomb etc. Then suddenly more setups and playstyles would be viable.

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Tbh, have not found one in spvp eather that I culd not destroy with 20-20-30. My guildmates I duel call teh specc troll specc. Its the stealth + clones that do it in combo with steady preasure. I simply stay on the move in stealth and pop clones and phantasm on them and when I pop up I use immuitys, sealth + blink. I dont get the big barrae of condition landed on me and some usage of the heal, + torch cleaners keep my health up.

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Tbh 20-20-30 destroy necros in spvp and wvwvw. The stealth combined with constant preasure from clones and phantasm condition applying drain their health and leav em emty. Just make sure not drag on a revealed buff without have a shatter nr 4 or blink ready.

/Osicat

@My Sweet Lily, I would use Dmg&Support or Heavy 3.0, both bring something to your team + alot of controll.

/Osicat

Why cant we see some other game modes than the single “cap a point and place a bunker on it”. The current setup is unrewarding for any class who not based around stable controll of ground/area.

Just 1 more gamemode would make the classes that today is less interesting (classes who base its survival/combat around mobility) more viable. A capture the flag mode for example. I find the fact a setup of players build tanks who al is based on survive without move out of a ring on the floor or deal dmg to be the most rewarding for a team rather silly.

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My critizism is not on the mesmer class cause we dont bring things needed for the current meta who consist of “be best at root you on a point” etc.

I say that the current tPVP meta playstyle with only 1 game mode, stand in the ring and survive", is not only silly but rather booring. IF the meta had some other modes “capture the flag”, “defuse bomb” or “bust enemy base” we would see totaly other setups viable.

Suddenly a high mobile class with stealth would be amazing. I cant understand why they made the game META tPvP like it look now.

Current tPvP meta closes the door to several classes/setups.

/Osicat

This said, in a pvp situation with clensing etc going on I personaly only going and would reccomend “cheap” condition duration. Cheap condition duration is Food and synergi trating (traits you pick for you want them and get the % duration as a bonus). Rest runes and sigils are expensive duration sources. For this you gain more in dmg by go for dmg+ alterantive + applicance of conditions.

A 10% + bleed time sigil > bleed appliance alternative condition dmg stacking.

For spvp its different as you know your stacks will stay up al time.

/Osicat

@all

One of my best fights latley. Impressive enemy playskills and teamwork.

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Well I guess I am the wrong person here as I se this form a whole other pair of glasses. My critizism is not on teh mesmer class cause we dotn bring things needed for the current meta who consist of “be best at root you on a point” etc.

I say that the current tPVP meta playstyle with only 1 game mode, stan in smal cirkle and survive, is not only silly but rather booring. IF the meta had some otehr modes “capture the flag”, “defuse bomb” or “bust enemy base” we would se totaly other setups viable. suddenly a high mobile class with stealth would be amazing. I cant understand why they made the game META tPvP like it look now.

Any eSpoort who accualy work and that is not that compaly pour money on it. Its teh fact its fun. Current meta is not fun for most players and I dont se a future in it. Biggest playerbase is not even in the sPVP area, biggest organiced player pvp base you find in the WvWvW and sanboxing GvG atm or player created dueling guilds/clans.

I dont see a problem with mesmers current state, we destroy in most game areas if we just pic the right team/playstyle for the situation. I see a problem with current tPvP meta who not only are booring, it closes the door to several classes/setups.

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@All, sorry for late answers here. I just started work again at the ambulance after my summer vacation so Im off longer shift form time to time. I will keep answer thu but sometimes it take a day or 2. Sorry for this.

@PH Law, Hybrid still a viable build just as Ash say, if it was not I would not have it in my build list. It do thu remain as a glascannon alternative and even if its survival is a bit low it teamed up with another player do serious burst. I do persnoaly prefere it as a pve instance build and find Shatter Cat Heavy 3.0 do alost same dmg but have 3 times the survival.

For Shatter Cat heavy 3.0 its dmg is INSANE in balance to its survival. Its based on the mightstacking emcanism to reach even higer power+condi dmg than the glascannon specces. Swap portal for mirror is vaivle. not only for its extra dmg but also for the stunbraking. I prefere portal thu as this give another “oh kitten” button. I often roam for 1-2 hours solo on morning without die, this is only happening due to portal as it let me bail if outnumbered or my attack was suicidal.

@ArmageddonAsh Good post, cheers for adress how to necro with GS. I have anotehr way to fight encros and rarley use GS so good that you input your experience with the setup here. For solo condition builds I dot run into alot of em eather. Last week I was the only meser I saw roaming with the setup, but jesus I had fun. Last run I had 25 stacks on my wep al ONLY from player kills did a 2,5 h roaming run, downed and killed 30+ ppl and never died/ got downed. The spec is a killer. in combat I have 2000+ tougness 2100+ condi dmg and a kittenload of stealth.

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<3 to the PSY Warrior and Guardian who offered a good fight last night beside the camp in south west. Nice skills, I do understand why you fleed when your mate died thu.

Might put the movie up laters

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@Helios, build you can find eather in the top sticky on this forum or the shatter cat homepage:

http://osicat.weebly.com/guide.html

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@lowenhigh, I do a fair amound of gvg, I sualy play the gvg in 10 vs 10 but done bigger numbers. For the fights I play tanky shatter with focus on utility usage. Nullfield in attacking enemy path, veil, timewarp are all core abilitys. Also focus is almost a " have to use" as if you can pull some low hå players away from a heal gathering it can turn the tide.

The spec I use is Shatter cat heavy 3.0 and even if this not is gvg its about same playstyle that I use in the gvg,s.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6LTsGl5cVXU

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Been thinking

Gandals just took the wrong option in the creation screen. If he picked a mesmer instead of ele/mage…

@Trooper, alot due to the tortch blast. I often use the torch to stealth, cast its phantasm and then move close to a enemy in a combat situation hittin scepter nr 2,s block. This Often ressult in they hit my block in stealth get the tormen applied just as the burn hits and the image condusion tock. After this I swap to s/p to utilice the sword nr 2 immunity while my revealed buff is up, as soon its away I stealth again and cast a iduelist in stealth.

This combo put a extreme preasure on a enemy players from seveal differen conditions and the only few sec he accualy can hit back I have a immunity up.

Also this give a good set of defensive / offenive gameplay. Torch + scepter give you condi removal, block and stealth, I use this when I in agroup situation is preasured. Swird/pistol is a stunbarker, a stun/interupt + immobelice. I use this for offensive gameplay.

I also always in wvwvw when about to fight 3+ players alternative a camp swap the sword/pistol to staff. As stealth is so easy accesable in the build its easy to swap depending on what you going to fight. but pistol is and remain a lesser alterative for gourp fights as its primary dmg is single target. For a 1-2 vs 1 its pure gold thu.

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OK.

I Tweeked my condition build some now for wvwvw. Ressult is silly good. Dmg is exact where I want it to be and toughness is over 2k.

Enjoy.

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PS @The KidHenry, The dmg gaind from the clones is absolutley worth the condi dmg. You also get dmg form otehr sources aswell. A side effect aswell is that alot of ppl cats things that due to stealth and autotargeting lan on your clones. Its a nightmare for necros for example.

Its not a extremly good capper idd for sPvP, but the fun factor make it worth it. Tbh I not a big fan of he current sPvP setup with capping points as only game mode. The best class in game would be a freking tree with protetcion and retaliation who cant and wont move. I would like to se game modes who give mobile classes a jobb, capture the flag etc.

All

Update.

New video, tweeked the condition build a little and will update the build in the guide in the comming day/s

Enjoy the ressult, Extrem condition dmg roaming build.

/Osicat

Well I would deffo say you can do decent damage without a slight breeze killing me

Enjoy some shatter cat Heavy gameplay:

/Osicat

Ok here we go, 20-20-30 spvp with bleeding, clone spammer and s/p + scepter/t. So far Im happy, seen 17 stacks of bleed at bets so far, could prob be higer but ppl tend to die alot so hard stack more.

So far I must say deuling is not only usable for condi builds, its a CORE tree to dig into nomatter if you go staff or not. The clones and phantasm bleed applying is one of the best dmg sources, with staff iven better. For PvP to be able to spam clones and saty in stealth while things die around you is pure love.

/Osicat

Hi mate.

Glas you enjoy wvwvw and solo romaing, I myself enjoy this part of the game alot.

I suggest 2 builds for you to look closer into in my guide. Both tested and proven effective for what you want to do.

1- Shatter Cat Heavy 3.0:

2 – Non shatter Condition Build

Have a look in my guide in this forum top sticky and ask any quetsion in the guide. I answer meserm related questions every morning.

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@Stimulant, I find S C Heavy 3.0 as the bets overall build atm as it do well in so many areas, this said Its not the best build for every single area, its just wery flexible and let you be good at alot of things. The more specialised builds will ALWAYS be best in their “speciality”.

Example, a pure dueling Phantasm build will always be best at duels, but it be lacking alot in other areas, same a GS glacannon zerg build will be best in this area but eaten alive if trying to raom with it solo.

So If u want to do seveal tasts in wvwvw, gvg, smal/mis/solo roaming etc 3.0 is fantastic, it even a good support build if u get the “signet of share the might”.

If you thu want to specialice in solo romaming or roam with 2 thiefs then Mist 2.0 is faster and better for this.

Another build you might look into for roaming solo or with thiefs is in fact the stealth builds you mention. WERY WERY effective in wvwvw. I play this alot with 2 thiefs and we can destroy big numbers and troll whole zergs.

/Osicat

So I updated the guide and it now have a own sPvP section.

Also first sPvP video is up.

Enjoy:

/Osicat

Reserved for guide

Reserved for guide

sPvP section for the Shatter Cat Guide

As the original guide lack of room this is where I will post any sPvP related updates for the Shatter Cat Guide

1: sPvP Builds:

1.1*Non Shatter High condition build*

Video:

Based on stealth and high toughness for survival. Dmg source is a combination of power and conditions with burning and bleeds as main dmg. Deliver high burst with combo of torch blast + bleeds and blade flurry. Torment give situational pressure.

Amulet: Rabid + gem

Weapons : Sword+Pistol / Scepter + torch

Build: http://tinyurl.com/sPvP-shatter-Cat

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Judge up for gvg,s this week, we are normaly a 12 man guild our gvg,s best played 10 vs10.

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all

Must ask, is there any interest in a vid where I show my spvp build and gameplay?

I use a rather different gamestyle and setup for this, sure somone else play something lil simmilar but so far not seen any other mesmer in the games I play with this setup.

Or you rater want the vids to stay on wvwvw?

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I use 20-20-30 in wvwvw, I do in sppv some aswell but even If I do alot of spvp I cant say I like teh current way the spvp is build. i missing soem “capture and deliver teh flag” etc. Some otehr modes where not a bunker standing on 1 point is the key.

If the spvp had some other modes we would see more interesting builds. Like speed move builds for run with flag, burst builds to kamikaze into flag carriers etc.

Well the 20-20-30 build I use is in my guide, here is a wvwvw short vid:

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In wvwvw I feel I can controll adn down every necro I faced so far in a 1 vs 1 situation on 2 of my builds. Shatter Cat heavy with 60% condition downtime handle them IF I range juke. That mean, go in, deliver a burst and get out. Dont what ever you do stay in close combat exchange blows versus a necro.

They take dmg, they turn on green bar yes it feel like u have to kill em 2 time but take your time, never stress a fight versus a necro and NEVER fight in close quarters.

Duels in smal area is doomed, you need to juke + stealth 2k~range around alternative use different hights in terrain and line of sight, this way you can go in, do a burst, immune if needed and get out. after 2-3 of this bursts they turn green and you keep preasure + juke out, in the end they die.

Other build I feel i can handle em on is silly but ist the latest “non shatter condition build”, Simply preasure + stealth and so far it worked.

Spvp, if 1 necro I try untill I know if I win or lose, if I lose I stealth and bail. If 2 necros u need a army to take em down, totlay different situation in spvp than wvwvw atm. This alot due to burst is stronger in wvwvw+ lemongras.

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@ArmageddonAsh, yes wery good point and ty for point this out. Idd The shatter cat heavy is a tanky build, it survive ALOT of hammering but its weak spot as al mesmers are condition. To cure this I needed condition lowring runes, Eather Malanru or Holbreak. As its a power based dps spec with conditon preasure and might as its dmg source Holbreak filled this spot.

So, yes Might is a core, tbh in Shatter Cay Heavy with 25 stacks I had 6k nr 2 sword hits on camp guild claimer, this I have not had in any other spec than the Shater cat Phantasm hybrid wh is my core dps build.

So Heavy do almost same dmg as a GC build, it also have extreme good defense versus conditions and high survival versus direct dmg. Its one of my most sucessful builds and feel it corver most areas, only speed is a little low but as it uses focus it have that to.

@Harris, cheers gl and post that film.

@Ixyix, the BS thief I fought today. kitten you realy are a good BS thief :;D Good fights. made my day.

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@Eldenbri, run into it, stand in it and let u phantasm and clones do dmg. Jump up and down like a mainiac and u get a second stealth.

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Hi. If you invested into the 30 points chaos its absolut worth it, the extra boons and stealth is you best friend, and as a group tool its lovely. Every veil can be used 2 times so its alot of ticks on defensive boons while your enemy fight your clones.

If you want have a look at the build I use with the setup.

solo

group

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@Shadowraith, Its totalt possible to escape a loosing battle on S C Heavy but it involves save up soem defenses. When you feel, o kittenhis will hurt, stealth staffblink, blink and then chain massstealth. Drop a hidden portal and try get los. In open terrain this is hader so look for good terrain, as soon staff 2 on cd again staff leap. Often by now u so far away ppl drop interest in folow or just lost you. If u had a friendly fight with you he probobly getting nuked instead as hes a easier target aswell.

Shadowraith, its persnal, easy to apply the new buffed nullfield instead of say, portal if you want better condi clensing. pesonaly I feel its enouth as loong you juke in and our of range so the condi applyers cant apply al time on you.

@Harris, Some thief builds and even some mesmer builds when on Heavy 3.0 just not cut it for solo, this is the price we play with great flexibility. Its not ment for a pure Solo/duel buil, it work as one thu but specialiced solo builds in a 1 vs 1 situations have a advatage. Still same builds are ineffective whener you still wery effective, in smal duo or mid size group fights.

Still neraly every thief I run into on 3.0 I feel dont have a solid way to get me down while my dmg scare hi of or down him. Its a bit of practice but just as u dont realy have a good condi clearer they lack stun and imobelize braker. Try nail al your cc,s even if he stealth hes imbeliced in stealth so a sword nr 2 will hit. Not sure “keep the distance” is correct aswell. Try preasure him, change playstyle a little, shatter less and leav a phantasm up. Use the focus for slow + controll.

See if u can find the player u mean and duel him several times. Mabye film it to look what u did wrong. I often look on my fails to try find things to correct.

/Osicat

I like Thief but but hate to stealth, I love ele but hate to change attinment, I like necro but dont like conditions… see where Im going?

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Hi mate,

Cool looking build, love the power.

Understand this is a support build for group play right? Looks intersesting, and how it work depend on the team. A 12-15 man guild smal cluster mele focused will take you close to enemy and into their ranks, for close range combat I think you might lack a mele alternative, tested focus/sword?

Runes Melandru would give the best defense as you have alot of direct dmg survival thru stats. STill your team also is a defense. Should consider Centaur or Air, have a feeling you have hard keep up with the team if u ever get a little behind your group.

I guess your team already have a portal mesemer in the front line using shatter survival so then portal is not needed.

This is my support build. As you see I am a little more fragile in stats, focus in on buff teams speed, blind enemy with glamour , reflect projectiles + enought dmg to add some burst. Effective in mele and long range.

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@ Rinzler, Wvwvw or spvp stick to em like glue, its basicly practice, nail your leaps and cc, The gs lose alot of its strength as soon you keep close to em.

If its spvp duel and you taking about a Phantasm specced GS messmer thu its not alot you can do with a shatter setup. Its unbalanced atm but phantasm mesmer is paper who brake rock in terms of spvp duels versus shatter. This advantage they lose thu as soon its spvp with more numbers or wvwvw. In wvwvw a phantasm spec is chunky and uneffective at best compared to a less phantasm relying spec.

/Osicat

@Mad Rasputin, wc to the mesmer side of the game

Staff s/f is my personal favorite game setup fr mesmer and 2 of my builds use this setup. They gera a little different but the core is the same so if you not sure witch of them who apply most to you feel free to start get the gear who is used in most builds Chavaler accesorys.

The two builds I think you would like is :

Shatter Cat 3.0

Tanky dps build with massive preasure and wery hard to kill. High dmg direct and condi output.

Shatter Cat Mist 2.0

Bursty high shatter spec with strong survival abilitys 1600+ toughness but serious dmg dealer. The fastest roamer setup for mesmer.

Both can be found in my guide, top sticky on this forum.

/Osicat

Hope this help.

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@Seccond Pyro, I also of the oppinion that 10% crit chance on 1 skill < 3% dmg/ clone (9%dmg with e clones) to al skills.

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@Serhend, TEsted before I ended up use battle and I find battle more usefull. This cause to get maximum effect of strenth you need to be dps al tim to fully use the 2 sec internal cd. By use battle I can instead swotch do defensive gameplay, run away formenemy and let phantasm + clones dps while I regain health in stealth ect but still by wpe swap gain might.

Feel free to test what work best with your playstyle thu.

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Well tbh Staff is a core of al my Power builds, used it in power builds tbh sens september last year. Cant say its “condition wep only”. I think ppl just look to the nr 1 pure dmg to much, why GS seen as a better directdmg wep. As a shatter setup your dmg come first and most from shatters, this is powerbased. The staff generate clones and move you on the field + keep you alive.

Latest Power build use staff:

And a old favorite, cant see why this would be a condition setup, 9k kits ftw.

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