Guild Wars 2

I party enemies a lot, but it’s usually people I want to talk with and add to friends list.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

kerona.3465:

We actually take out all of out jerkiness on forums. In game we’re angels.

Please tell that to the nice Maguuma folks who felt it was hilarious to Knockback me out of the jumping puzzle entrance immediately after I jumped in and was on the ground.

I understand the chest having blueprints means it’s valuable to enemies as well as your team, so I don’t cry foul very loudly. Except when someone says “we’re angels” and your server has their share of . . . mmm, not-nice . . . behavior.

Like any other server, really. Mind you, I’ve been having a blast dying a lot in WvW so far on this matchup. Sometimes even CD gets a turn killing me along with yaks I’m escorting

We’re nice, but killing in the JP is normal and should be done. Sorry, but you are not entitled to blueprints.

Maladon.5760:

Nozzie.2067:

JaironKalach.4938:

Nozzie.2067:

JaironKalach.4938:

Get the job done with yaks, so we can move up. Seems likely we’ll have something for you.

It’s not DB & SoS that are stopping Mag from moving up to T3. If the majority of Mag seriously wanted to be in T3 then they would have had a Rating lead over YB by this stage of the week. Instead it seems that a lot of Mag players are more interested in screwing around in T4 than putting on their big boy pants & earning the points to force their way back up to T3.

Sorry, I’m looking at the score in our matchup and the score in in your matchup and having a lot of trouble taking your post seriously. Seriously, right now at the standings, Yaks is projected to gain another 32 ratings points…. And they may yet overtake SoS by the end of the matchup… As long as SoS keeps giving Yaks inflated ratings gain, Mags won’t be able to gain enough against these T4 teams to compensate.

There was a 3.3 rating divide between YB & Mag at the end of last weeks match, & that was the week when SoS entered T3 & had the most points to lose (& YB to gain) from their overinflated rating. Mag players in last weeks T4 thread said that they had made a concerted effort over the last 2 days of that match to get back to T3.

This week, while SoS’s rating is still inflated, it is not to the same extent as it was last week. If Mag could close the gap to 3.3 pts last week when conditions were more favorable to YB, then why has the rating gap increased so far this week? Two reasons would be that YB has performed much better this week (especially our off-peak players), but also that many Mag players are more interested in farming badges/roaming than capping points.

If Mag was serious about returning to T3 sooner rather than later then they would have put the same effort into this weeks match as they did the last 2 days of last weeks match.

Last Thursday Mag was within 0.5 points of YB but lost ground on the last night of the match. They were also within 4 points this week but now that margin has ballooned at just the right time to keep them in T4. I don’t suspect any shenanigans because they tell us all the time they prefer to fight outnumbered and are bored. I guess the math is just screwing them over at the perfect time each week.

I’m tired of Mags conspiring to have CD roll over everything as people sleep.

It’s really interesting reading SBI’s old t5 threads and then these ones.

Never has a server talked so much about uneven fights and turned down every single attempt to organize even ones!

Just saying all of this you zerg we’re skilled stuff is usually solved by organizing fights! Maybe we can do another FC tonight and some of the sbi forums warriors will actually show up.

JakobGW.5730:

zastari.1730:

When I brought in a group to skirmish on your BL yesterday we were holding our part in SE with the outmanned buff for the first 30 minutes. I prefer fighting outnumbered, however I always end up with enough people on me after about an hour that it turns into a steamroll no matter what.

I’m curious.

You claim that you “prefer fighting outnumbered,” but you’ve posted multiple times that you always have a zerg after about an hour after you turn on your Dorito.

This begs the question: if you truly prefer to fight outnumbered then why turn on your Dorito?

It seems to me that the answer is pretty obvious. You truly prefer to command a zerg in-game, but you claim on these forums that you enjoy fighting outnumbered adding that players just flock to you, all in a vain attempt to justify your numbers advantage with excuses.

Here’s a hint: If you really want to skirmish outnumbered, don’t command and don’t encourage puggers to come assist your small numbers.

Ta da!

This is a hilarious post considering who you’re talking to.

eithinan.9841:

luniprincess.3162:

Mag is better than SoS.

if Mags could get over themselves and their “We hate large scale battles, We only like to roam” thing, I believe this could be true. But when you mix in organized large scale groups like TSYM and a few others who have given us trouble you guys are lacking. I HATE how vulture like your tactics are(Everyone I have spoken to about this have been cut off by you while trying to get to the inner of a 3rd party keep, sometimes you come in and wipe the 2 teams capping it and cap it yourselves if they have weakened each other….) but they are solid tactics.

Mags embrace large scale combat. please.

Wait, what’s wrong with taking advantage of two servers fighting to steal their keep?

Johje Holan.4607:

Perhaps if Mag forum warriors did not post such jerksish posts more would be willing to fight club. But I can only assume that if one acts like a jerk on the forum, one will act like a jerk in the game.

Please link the post that makes you unwilling to PvP against another human being.

Krash.9486:

zastari.1730:

NevirSayDie.6235:

I’m not sure why Mag commanders are wishing that CD and SBI would play less well. Isn’t it more fun to play against a better opponent?

I’ve enjoyed playing against several SBI groups, and I wish they would keep coming back because they are solid. Unfortunately, there’s this trend where SBI has a ton of people on our BL and we’ve mostly abandoned it, I pop on my tag and get about 2/3 SBI’s numbers, wipe SBI once, wipe them with even numbers next time, and then continue wiping them with more and more players following me until Mazergma either has a queue following me around the map or SBI gives up.

Some of the confrontations have been extremely interesting. I enjoyed SBI’s pushes on Mag BL tonight, but it gets quite boring when SBI leaves and then sends “havoc squads” to flip camps and waypoint back to spawn as soon as they see an invader coming after them. SBI, much like CD, seem allergic to PvP.

Hmmm well that has not been my experience or perception at all. when you focus our BL it is always with large numbers that is very hard to defend against. We have sent small groups to havoc MAG BL and which I enjoy doing because for awhile at least we get more even battles. That is until you pull all your forces and out-man us 5to1 and zerg us down everywhere you can find us. Even with greater numbers we have put up some really good fights IMO.

Other posters here like to focus on our mistakes like the failed portal placement that put 10 of us in the middle of 40 of you…was a bad mistake….but completely fail to mention the 3 portal/push attempts by your forces in front of bay’s south gate that our smaller numbers wiped with no problem.

The groups I run with look for open field fights and enjoy them. But from my perspective Guumbas seem not to feel comfortable in PvP unless they have much greater numbers. But I am sure it seems different to you. We must seem rude when we don’t line up for your zerg to roll over I guess. o.o

I’d like to know when you thought we were 40 strong. Using yesterday on SBI BL when we just wanted fights as an example, it was 10-15 and grew to precisely 20 at the SE camp climax. I know that because the commander was keeping up with /supplyinfo to check.

We do outnumber you when you touch our BL with any decent sized numbers and attack a real target. Mag takes defense seriously, and when a waypoint contests or someone says golems, you’re going to get a lot of people switching borderlands to end whatever is happening very quickly.

We are very comfortable fighting open field outnumbered. We have more people than you because we’ve dropped to t4, so it might not seem that way. All I can say is I wish SBI would take our offers (I’ve whispered either you or other SBI commanders) on fight clubs when they’re running. We have a lot of players/guilds that love to get better in 1v1/5v5/10v10 and jump at any chance to do so. One of the reasons I love mag is that the vast majority of our players care about getting better rather than posting recruitment threads.

Random fight club at mag BL south south. Come join in~

Insignia.6345:

All that over a simple re-supply.

If it wasn’t clear, mag really isn’t on SBI for the points. We just run to the swords!

kRAVen.4195:

The action in SBI borderland the last 2 hours has been the most fun i’ve had. The three way zerg battle for bluelake was just phenomenal.

CD cheated and relied on siegerazer.

This trait/gear interaction with carts did not exist until recently. It existed after a change was made to a specific profession. There was no mention in the patch at all about siege now sharing gear/traits.

I don’t know how anyone can see that sequence of events and think it was intended. Then again, most people are coming into this thread, posting factually incorrect word vomit, and then leaving.

I think it’s disgraceful that Mag is double teaming both CD and SBI at the same time this week.

Deathdom.8250:

Pinko.2076:

Murderin.8269:

Pinko.2076:

CD is t4 until their AUS/SEA magically disappear.

Barely seen any of the good late night CD guilds so far in this matchup. Normally there are multiple coordinated guilds running at night.

Looks like they gave up or transferred or something.

Your server almost or did hit 500 PPT during SEA time today and reset 2/3 Mag BL keeps 3/3 SBI BL keeps.

It was actually the entire Mag BL too. Found this screenshot on our server forums. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8F0vtU1YYOA/UUcwAHpvLSI/AAAAAAAACHA/Rqo4EGBErKc/s1600/gw155.jpg

Yeah I must be remembering some other night where we held East. CD still regularly resets all of our stuff. CD’s NA crew needs to start talking to CD’s night crew~

Why does everyone have the urge to theorycraft some terrible plan instead of talking about the cost benefit of 30 supply plus this trait? No one in this thread is saying it’s some unbeatable wall.

Murderin.8269:

Pinko.2076:

CD is t4 until their AUS/SEA magically disappear.

Barely seen any of the good late night CD guilds so far in this matchup. Normally there are multiple coordinated guilds running at night.

Looks like they gave up or transferred or something.

Your server almost or did hit 500 PPT during SEA time today and reset 2/3 Mag BL keeps 3/3 SBI BL keeps.

CD is t4 until their AUS/SEA magically disappear.

Serophous.9085:

I wish some classes in this game had skills to reflect projectiles.

Is there some competition to post the highest amount of factually incorrect stuff? Carts aren’t projectiles to be blocked or reflected.

People actually think you should have to spend 100 siege to kill a single 30 siege cart. A cart that can be placed outside of LoS of a treb very, very easily. Is this some bizarro world?

Vv W.7821:

And just for arguments sake it’s just bad style to ask the opposing viewpoint to find a second situation with the exact same issues. Five people with any form of fast recharging aoe cc are trouble if they can out play a larger group, in this case there’s just less play and more red circle dodging.

This isn’t true and you’re lying to yourself more to try and make it fit. 2 guys 100% immobilize on 50 people. Your 5 aren’t going to dent that because of cooldowns and aoe limits.

Vv W.7821:

I don’t see an issue with it, take a group of anything cc wise and it’s OP. Warriors don’t have a whole lot going for them in large sieges (besides this and jumping off walls over and over with the falling trait on) so all it currently means is you have to take out the arrow carts before getting in arrow cart range… something most people try to do anyway.

No, taking anything isn’t as OP as two carts with warriors, because carts cap at 50 target limit and not 5. The pulsing nature means it’s a 100% uptime immobilize. Give me a scenario similar where you’re bringing two guys who are immobilizing 50 people with 100% uptime.

Anyone saying it isn’t unbeatable are entirely missing the point and don’t understand how to approach balance.

Slamz.5376:

Sounds like a bug/oversight.

No other “on hit” trait works with siege weapons. Can’t imagine they made this one work differently on purpose.

Actually all on hit traits work with siege weapons in regards to cripple/bleed chain effects. It happened in the same patch that changed something to do with engi’s conditions affecting something of theirs. This means that condition damage and duration also affect carts.

Did no other servers notice when their 2k condition guys were getting 150ish bleeds from carts?

Orikx.9671:

Zikory.6871:

Sorry for the semi rant but this is getting old. There is always going to be something a different class has that seems OP! Why cry about it? I think getting 5+ necros together and putting all their marks down is OP, it makes necros awesome for holding choke points, anet should take out marks because no other class can do it like they can…As for the Arrow Cart your saying that its broken because you can’t stand in it and just take the damage? A 1 second immobilize is game breaking? I think not, you can easily realize whats happening and move out of the area heal up and try again. Or instead of trying to PvDoor something build counter siege and take out threats prier to banging your head against the door.

While I think its very helpful while trying to defend a objective, I would take a small organized group over a arrow cart traited for a 1 second immobilize any day. IMO we should nerf team work, thats the real issue here.

You are so right. It’s no different then every other class trait that applies to siege….oh wait.

There are other traits that work off of this, it’s just that leg specialist makes the best use of it.

Wake up, make golems.

kerona.3465:

Stability and dodge rolls?

Invisible mesmer portal past choke?

Immobilize goes through stability because it’s a condition. The pulsing nature makes condition removal impractical because the reapplication is a second or less.

It’s definitely not unbeatable, but determining what’s imbalanced in this game isn’t about unbeatable, just cost benefit.

Tallis.5607:

It is not ‘over and over again’. The AC #2 has a CD of 9 seconds, so it’s not like you’re constantly stunned.

It is over and over again. The cripple is a pulse that applies about 5 times meaning 5 seconds of immobilize with a 50 person cap. Any more than one cart (and coordination between the two) is a permanent 50 man immobilize.

Did this just in? I thought it was known since the patch that altered engi’s traits/stats interacting with turrets or w/e that was.

Gravy.7589:

What can I say, I get around. I will say that you had a tough group running around your own BL’s last night. 30 strong that were smashing the SBI we had running around. I actually saw some tactics from this zerg, like mass invis and good movement. Wish I remembered the commanders name. It was the best I have seen from Mag in bigger numbers.

It was our maguuma mumble group led by razi.

Gravy.7589:

Re-read and comprehend a bit better. I didn’t say all of my time. If you read an earlier post, you will see how I was in our own BL and still fighting a double team from you and CD. Was also with kiwi havoc last night that was flipping your camps on MG BL. I do fine with finding the fights I want, but thank you for the input

I like that you are saying you smash paper zergs, then post about running with Kiwi. Interesting.

Gravy.7589:

Pinko.2076:

Gravy.7589:

Yeah, we just don’t have the numbers to repeatedly beat off your zerg and deal with golems, while going on the offensive. I have been surprised at the amount of times you all use golems. No offense but it really is comical, as I have played in tier 1,2,3 with SBI and I have never seen one server use them sooo much.

Anyway, some really good fights on EB this weekend, while running with Bannok (DC) and with Berm and (BSW). Its frustrating having to deal with Mags zerginess at times but we hold our own just fine. CD generally just pokes us here and there at ogre’s, then runs away.

It’s comical to us as well, hence why we’re doing it. If you have a bunch of bored mags that aren’t getting fights, we’re going to do silly stuff.

This has to do with the failure in the points system used by ANET. We move down one tier and have a big numbers advantage over other servers and wvwvw gets boring. We stay in this tier and both Mags and Yaks have numbers over us. BTW your boredom is giving us repeated entertainment and badges. Plz continue :P

We’d both be entertained if SBI would just come to fight clubs instead of avoiding fights at all costs behind walls.

Gravy.7589:

Yeah, we just don’t have the numbers to repeatedly beat off your zerg and deal with golems, while going on the offensive. I have been surprised at the amount of times you all use golems. No offense but it really is comical, as I have played in tier 1,2,3 with SBI and I have never seen one server use them sooo much.

Anyway, some really good fights on EB this weekend, while running with Bannok (DC) and with Berm and (BSW). Its frustrating having to deal with Mags zerginess at times but we hold our own just fine. CD generally just pokes us here and there at ogre’s, then runs away.

It’s comical to us as well, hence why we’re doing it. If you have a bunch of bored mags that aren’t getting fights, we’re going to do silly stuff.

Please send Dave the Brave to Mag.

Insignia.6345:

dreztina.4820:

This forum feels so dead lately. Doesn’t seem like anyone cares enough to post anymore, myself included. Not just this matchup thread either.

I love you guys, just sick of you at the same time lol :P

If you ever want fight clubs instead of open field just PM some of us. I like fighting NAGA~

If SBI guild was the one leading the SBI main group of Mag BL, we had a fun time playing back and forth games with you on mag BL. You have many hammers which Paralda would appreciate.

Are you sure your hate your oceanic presence and not your ex-NA that transferred because they dropped a single tier?

Akitsuki.6803:

It seem that SBI and Mag are teaming up against us. They never seem to attack any of the SBI Keep… Is it just me or does other people see this too?

Everyone hits everyone’s BL. The weakest one gets run over. SBI has been running on our BL all night with very large numbers, but we have the people to hold them to just tower/camp.

dreztina.4820:

This forum feels so dead lately. Doesn’t seem like anyone cares enough to post anymore, myself included. Not just this matchup thread either.

I still care enough to post, but CD/SBI don’t really give much to work with.

Fighting with SBI on mag bl is fun today.

santi.7516:

GuardianOMS.8067:

santi.7516:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Look’s like Maguuma’s attempt to go up a tier failed. As someone who plays mostly during oceanic prime time, I can’t say that I’m upset about it.

So that imply that all this time Maguuma was playing serious against CD and SBI?! LOL

No, I’m talking about around 5pm on Friday. We attempted a big push to go into T3. Jeez.

So now you are implying that not all this time Maguuma was playing serious against CD and SBI… but Pinko says otherwise, hmmm one of you guys definitely is lying!, hmmmmmmmmm i wonder who… hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There’s a difference between throwing a match, playing normally, and making a big effort.

santi.7516:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Look’s like Maguuma’s attempt to go up a tier failed. As someone who plays mostly during oceanic prime time, I can’t say that I’m upset about it.

So that imply that all this time Maguuma was playing serious against CD and SBI?! LOL

Do you think we’re throwing the match or something?

GuardianOMS.8067:

Look’s like Maguuma’s attempt to go up a tier failed. As someone who plays mostly during oceanic prime time, I can’t say that I’m upset about it.

Not so sure t4 is as bad as some NA think. SoS is apparently no threat during NA, and a 1v1 with DB doesn’t sound as fun as cd/sbi’s NA. SBI brings out a lot of bodies during prime time nightly for us to enjoy.

My only complaint about t4 is the very infrequent fight clubs. Don’t be shy to come and participate, mag doesn’t judge and we’re very polite at fight clubs. Except when Paralda gets bored.

After seeing how much DB gets in PPT during NA afternoon-prime time, I’m not convinced t3 is the harder NA match compared to t4. DB are great and bros, but 500ppt at 5pm?

I doubt SBI/CD will read this like every other fight club post.

Fight club! We’ll be waiting at south camp Mag windmill from 9pm EST/6pm PST.

Your post is assuming people care about winning. The truth is that the first place server typically has a larger defender’s advantage meaning all real locations of meaning are far more effort. The average player gives zero kittens about winning, but instead just logging on to have fun. Because the 3rd place usually has paper objectives, the second place will start picking on them.

Anyway, when and where is fight club tonight?

~Fight Club~

Let’s do one tonight. Official time 2ish hours from now 9pm est/6pm pst. Maguuma BL south camp windmill. I’ll probably show up early and you could as well!

If you want 3v3/5v5 or higher feel free to ask. I know PYRO at least would be willing to do higher numbers, and random Mags usually will team up for 3v3/5v5.

Waffler.1257:

Pinko.2076:

Murderin.8269:

Insignia.6345:

Murderin.8269:

We are gonna end up in 3rd this week if people don’t stop zerging one map at a time on CD.

Hard to do when we cant even fill 1 map let alone multiple.

True. Hopefully we get a less lame matchup next week.

Sorry to say, but you’re getting us, yaks, or someone else from t3 til the end of time. Are you saying you prefer Yaks over us?

Not necessarily, trust me, I’ve been running Monte Carlo simulations on this stuff. Borlis Pass is taking the lead in Tier 5, and it’s only a matter of time before EB and DR lose motivation to play WvW and give BP massive point gain (+BP will gain lots of fair weather players). This launches BP into Tier 4, and the fair weather effect on SBI due to smashing Tier 5 will likely last long enough for them to overtake us soon, meaning CD will go to tier 5. That will make a CD/EB/DR match which will be extremely balanced, although they will likely still complain about night capping.

You’re relying on a lot of hypotheticals. The biggest one being that CD’s night presence is still enough to essentially lock you in this tier unless you lose all of esf/awe.

Murderin.8269:

Insignia.6345:

Murderin.8269:

We are gonna end up in 3rd this week if people don’t stop zerging one map at a time on CD.

Hard to do when we cant even fill 1 map let alone multiple.

True. Hopefully we get a less lame matchup next week.

Sorry to say, but you’re getting us, yaks, or someone else from t3 til the end of time. Are you saying you prefer Yaks over us?

I think both SBI and CD are beautiful and we should all love/respect each other. Also note that Johje isn’t even in this tier from what I can tell so you should prob. ignore him

Yes. The major factor with ascended items is that crit damage is increasing by 1/3rd on ascended gear while other stats are very minor. This means that all builds, pure damage and hybrid, and becoming burstier at an alarming rate.

I haven’t said whether this is a good or bad thing, because I don’t really care, but the crit damage stat creep on ascended gear is a major increase and shouldn’t be overlooked.

Any fight clubs going on?! If not, we should get one going.