Guild Wars 2

Nacur.5284:

Pinko.2076:

Nacur.5284:

Please, just stop whinning.
During the reset in MGBL we stayed with your Hills for 8 hours straight…AND we used no more than 10 AC, 2 Cats, a Treb and people willing to die (if you think 10AC is a lot to defend a whole keep, go back to Age of Empires, where u can storm a castle with archers…).
Ohh, yeah, we called reinforcements (we are a team after all) when you came with your Omega Golems, 3 Trebs and a 40+ zerg against 15+ defenders in hills…it was marvelous to see u jumping from the cliff not to get wiped:

Impressive. I’ve heard east keep is a really difficult keep to hold.

Well, we took it from you…=P

It was home borderland, which means you should have had it shortly after the maps came up. @@

markic.4359:

there is nothing wrong with the patch and AC buff

its sad to see how many people are crying because 100 of them cant mash 1 on reinforced doors and capture it in 2mins anymore

finally you have to use strategy and brain to do something but i guess thats to much for some people

im from Gandara and yesterday we lost Bay from AG (Guilds DAWN and NP or NR hmmm)
anyway they did it briliantly…they got outer gate before we even noticed it….then treb inner walls….we couldnt stop them so we built lot of siege inside lords room and they knew it….so they just portal bombed us and wiped easy

game finally gets more then just 100 people following 1 commander and pressing 1 on the doors

There’s not a game requirement that you must be outmanned to use an arrow cart. Now you’re happy because you can either a) get rolled or b) turtle forever.

If only 1 vs 100 can do that, what do you think is happening in most tiers when it’s relatively even odds like 30 v 30? The death of fights. It’s a war to see who can throw down the cheapest strongest siege in the game, and then stare at each other.

Every fight on reset, the opposing side was choosing to turtle forever. I don’t think that’s a good direction for this game to go.

Avenge.1478:

Id agree with you bro, but in higher tiered servers, the queue times would be much longer :c

1 free transfer for all accounts. It’s worth it for the health of the game to not have dumb skill lag.

Arrow carts are killing this game. Getting any fight AT ALL is not really possible. Side A wants to fight, side B puts down 3 carts. Side A backs up, Side B moves up and puts down 3 carts.

It’s turning into Cart Creep wars and it’s just not fun. The thought that this helps low numbers of defenders is true, but it’s also helps higher numbers of defenders, and they can drop more carts and carry more siege.

Actual group fighting is one of the few things in WvW your players enjoyed, and this is killing it. Defending keeps isn’t what’s going to make a healthy game, having an active group fighting community is.

If you are running those numbers, you aren’t t5-t7 and are going to be very bored unless you like rolling through people. Either transfer to Ebay and push it to t4, or SoS and push it to t3.

Nyx Xox.3540:

zastari.1730:

Caephire.5238:

JudgeD.5673:

Sorry, PYRO, no RE but we did have CNB, led by Sano the Great. Hope that worked too.

His nickname is Might Stacker Sano! Get it right! :P

If only CNB had some way to stack toughness or vit they might last for more than a microsecond in an engagement.

Well aww thanks for your concern? Actually this is something we are working on for our members. Regardless never been in a fight where we dropped right away, we are mostly taking on zergs much larger then our own (to train harder on coordination not numbers) and either we win or we take a large number of you down with us. Although yes we are working on toughness and Vitality for all of our core WvW members. Some people don’t realize you can get your damage from stacking might therefore when running in a zerg or larger group you should tank up, regardless of your class. Anyway we as a guild no we have work to do and we are using this time in T3 to train and become better with the small amount of members we have (: So any guilds who would like to GvG with us to help us train or any criticism for anyone who goes up against us is VERY much appreciated (: Honestly. Contact me anytime in game by mssg or whisper. (:

I don’t really agree with full PvT in general. You want to have each role geared appropriately for what they’re going to be doing. I wouldn’t say any profession should be full glass (except for ele which can make it work), but full PvT is also a common mistake. Basically be as beefy as you need to perform your role without dying, so a front liner is going to prioritize different than a back line conditionmancer for example.

Tobias Steele.2071:

TallDan.6350:

Pinko.2076:

TallDan.6350:

Zerker gear is bad for roaming full stop any half decent thief or ele will dps you down in 3 seconds. But I guess we are heading off topic.

All the classes have viable builds and specs for WvW saying any is better than another is entirely situational.

The consensus is that rangers and engi’s are bad in WvW but any good Ranger or Engi will tell you a different story.

I love rangers that spec full bunker and think that it makes them good in WvW, then list off the number of specs that “don’t count because they’re OP” that beat them 1v1. In group fights they’re a non-issue, and in zergs they simply don’t fill niches that are needed.

All rangers should say they’re bad, because they need a lot of alterations, especially to utilities/spirits.

I suggest you go watch this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv96A4jbIE

Firstly that build only works because he’s using a racial skill, secondly confusion was nerfed yesterday lol so even that wouldn’t work even more…

Sorry, but there are better players for every profession than what you’ll see on youtube. When someone links a video it means they are out of ideas.

TallDan.6350:

Zerker gear is bad for roaming full stop any half decent thief or ele will dps you down in 3 seconds. But I guess we are heading off topic.

All the classes have viable builds and specs for WvW saying any is better than another is entirely situational.

The consensus is that rangers and engi’s are bad in WvW but any good Ranger or Engi will tell you a different story.

I love rangers that spec full bunker and think that it makes them good in WvW, then list off the number of specs that “don’t count because they’re OP” that beat them 1v1. In group fights they’re a non-issue, and in zergs they simply don’t fill niches that are needed.

All rangers should say they’re bad, because they need a lot of alterations, especially to utilities/spirits.

I don’t really care what the siege meta is, but it’s moving to treb wars. If that’s the case, I think there’s two main things to change that makes that meta tolerable.

1. Fotified walls – Sieges take way too long with fortified walls. Reinforced is enough of a buffer to get bodies in and ready for if it falls. Fotified just leads to a lot of sitting around by both sides. Consider changing this upgrade for something else.

2. New autocast treb ability – Trebs will still require a body to man them, however, add a 5 press that autofires your last used percentage on 1. I don’t know if it’s possible, but it would really help out. The pain of manually using a treb for 2 hours is real, and it’s not fun at all. At least let us watch a movie while we play this boring meta.

When players are using AHK to mimic a single action, that’s usually a sign that the action is extremely tedious.

wolf.1895:

Miss this Tier I can’t roam around in solo or even in a group of 10. “About 10 DB capping a camp” “WELL, BETTER THROW 50 kittenING PEOPLE AT THEM” Fun stuff..

Also no one seems to want to fight club in this tier either. I’m jelly

It’s not all roses. Kaineng is losing quite a few NA bodies. What was a really, really good match on reset and weekend has become bleak.

I like Kaineng, but if their population stays at this level, then I would say don’t push yourselves to play longer to stay in t3, because you’d probably fit better in t4. WvW after all is 95% about population and coverage, so just roll with it.

Yeah that’s our daily leveling train. Also, props to yaks for learning the elusive art of mounted door rams.

It really depends on what you’re doing. Roaming is probably still thief/mesmer/ele, 15ish vs 15ish group fights are probably necro/guardian/ele.

I think a tier reset is objectively needed. It will suck a lot in the short term, but it’s required after the first 6 months of transfers. The gaps between tiers are kind of artificial because the lack of tiers adjusting to large population shifts. There’s gulfs in several tiers that are getting just as impossible to bridge as NA t8 used to be.

You could always do a soft reset where not all servers are reset to 1500, but instead are placed based on current rankings. IE: t8 1100, t7 1200, t6 1300, etc.

This doesn’t change waypoint function and is strictly a buffer for people to get started on a keep before a server responds, unless they sit people everywhere on every map.

It does favor zergs strictly because a zerg has a much higher supply budget and makes more use of 30 seconds. It also favors upgrades (waypoints) MUCH more than before, because they’re effectively an early warning system now.

A server that’s already winning is much more likely to have waypoints, meaning this is not only a karma train buff, but a green server buff. Both an offensive and defensive boon for the already winning team~

Kind of a PvDoor day. I get kaineng losing a lot of bodies, but Yaks usually has a good EST pop. Maybe PvE hit you guys hard!

Vash.9183:

Volkon, I’m thinking this update was more focused on the small teams. This way, they can have 30 more seconds before a zerg might notice what they’re doing…

Stop crying.

Vash, this helps zergs MORE than small groups because zergs will have a higher siege budget and make larger uses of 30 seconds.

This is a terrible, terrible change. Now groups will flip towers before contest even pops up. Zergs will be on your inner before contest pops up.

To everyone saying this is fine, you probably have people scouting for you. As in you AREN’T one of the 5 people babysitting a home BL relying on contests to see movement and report. This change is a NERF to scouting and a BUFF to zerging.

If this change was made to deal with contesting waypoints, then just make players not able to damage gates. Wow! We just nerfed the zerging everyone dislikes, didn’t kick scouting in the face, and dealt with waypoint contests in one move!

JudgeD.5673:

ghtchill.7613:

JudgeD.5673:

Ouch, I feel the squeeze from Mag and YB. Only KN on EB and KN BL and a struggle on both to fend off Mag especially.

Want some Advil Judge dude? Is it that real pinchin squeeze in your side that soon moves to a massive headache due to the spike in your head? The devil it is!

Nah, I think it’s me about to throw in the towel and let Mag have EB…NOT!!!! :P

There are mag that play on EB?

Pendragon.8735:

Where did Mags late night numbers come from. Left over from the bandwagon? We’ve been getting pummeled pretty good late NA the last two weeks. Last time around, I remember YB had the stronger late night and overnight crew.

Even against DB we did pretty well late night. Most of our people are west coasters that go to bed way too late.

wookie.8934:

Issues.5789:

Wick.1280:

So FA should go to T3? Fair enough. We will do our best to see that you do.

And when FA is there you can blame guilds like [ONI]

You do realize that ONI is a TC guild right LOL? Continue posting you’re making yourself sound very intelligent.

There are actually a few members on FA, although they may have originated on TC.

Jus’ sayin’.

They did not originate on TC or FA. <3 to ONI guys, still miss you from ioj vs mag and tc vs mag

Suralin.3947:

I miss the fights with [PYRO] & [D|ERP} already. Unfortunately, we won’t be able to fight you guys anymore unless you move up to T2, which is unlikely, because from the looks of things, we’ll be staying here in T2 for a long time.

elorei.6251:

ChapDev.7650:

elorei.6251:

I would have already bailed to a lower pop server where individual skill level matters.

It is just as zergy in lower tier games just to a smaller scale skill level matters the same where ever you go mate, I’ll be back eventually to you lot because I miss teasing Joxri.

Smaller scale means less zergy. A zerg of 25 is not a problem. A zerg of 70 is. Are you telling me that tier 8 servers have 70 man zergs running around?

I haven’t seen 70 man zergs from KN or Yaks, no. The vast majority of NA fights we are finding are 12-20ish.

On the other hand, this thread is not for NA at all. We are explicitly asking for oceanics, because our very few oceanics want some people to play with.

New opponent, same 7am ppt~

Pizz.3698:

Creepy Silent.9801:

Tier 5 is a very different game, especially with Ehmry in that tier. It’d be nice to see SF in that tier.

To be honest, we’ve heard that at every tier.

The population and coverage jumps get exponential between tiers. t5 is when you will start to see it. I don’t know of a server that’s come from <t5 and made it past that besides Kaineng.

eithinan.9841:

Troop.1369:

So, tell me… which DB guild has the most skills on the field? Who should we fear the most? BP?

This is drama/troll bait all day long.

Im in [BP] so i might tent to agree with this. but Lanii would believe [EA] and Warsock [rb], and noodles [RE] and lokii [NNK] and Sumira would think [TFV] or Kirrene and [WE].

We would all have a great discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of our guilds,maybe even learning something and improving on it, and then agree to disagree.

^^This is how members of the Dragonbrand community would deal with this topic IMO.

You must have gone out of your way to not list the best DB guild for GvG.

Calvin.5380:

Zephyrus.9680:

Off to the races… Here’s my predictions for the next few weeks, if not months:

DB 2.0 will become solid T2, rising one position to be 3rd just behind FA (they won’t drop back to T3).

Kain will be the new leader of T3 though Oceanic/Asia power, though by a smaller margin than DB 2.0.

YB will widen the gap from SoS to remain in T3.

Mag might be initially excited by new blood in T3 but is essentially the same as YB in coverage and since everyone needs to sleep/work/school/live or at 2 out of 4 of those, we’ll still stay at the lower middle of T3.

Um, DB2.0 is a not accurate. I wish we got that many people from transfers. Not a debate point, just saying what I’m seeing.

But anyways, on to my predictions for the next 4 weeks:
- DB and Kain will flip-flop between T2/T3.
- T2 will become more uneven, with TC decimating the other two servers
- T3 will remain uneven, with even battles during NA prime time, but uneven during SEA time
- Mags/YB will remain in T3, though SoS will mount a serious, but unsuccessful challenge to get to T3

This all depends on the time frame for transfers. DB has been getting steady transfers even since SoS took their NA and you were fighting back from t6. DB 2.0 is pretty accurate if we’re counting from SoS’s population sap, and DB 3.0 if we’re counting from launch til now.

Darius Glazkov.9750:

i was told i should read the forums more

somehow i feel like i’m in the wrong place

are you rotund like an eggy dog?

ykyk.2740:

GuardianOMS.8067:

I think you know, because just about every server has done it.

I mean, I understand people do it when they do particularly well or an opponent does particularly poorly and they want to rub people’s noses in it, but hasn’t this been happening for like every single day in this tier for the past n weeks?

Happening for months for DB. Their asian coverage has always been amazing. Hopefully TC can match their pop~

Basically what saiyr said. NA loves t3, night time mags are not. In t3 we will always be facing either DB, KN, or SoS. All 3 scenarios means we’d like to get our oceanics more people to play with so they can enjoy the tier as much as the NA people do.

We’ll get Kaineng most likely.

ErlendR.6107:

I wanna return to maguuma, but it seems like always … and wait, U R NOT LOSIN THE TIER … holy kitten glicko

By all prospects we will be t3 til the end of time. That’s a good thing – when we were in t4 it was very boring. We’re just too big for that tier anymore.

Necros are the best at their niche. If you’re playing them inside of that niche, they’re great, but if you try to do things like solo roam, you’ll feel the urge to roll something else.

No americans ty.

Here’s some older raid footage from kitten vs YB. This is a stream by kitten member he’s got a nice overlay.
http://www.twitch.tv/defult/c/2157300?t=97m00s

I don’t think there’ll be a 2v1. Likely we’ll just play our normal hours and say goodbye to DB after this week.

Maybe Kaineng won’t be as large/tryhard (some kn guilds were doing 12 hour shifts on 100% bl’s…) as the last time we fought them.

I’ll be sad to see some DB guilds leave. [TG] are probably our favorites. Good at pvp but still just plays for fun. We should get some good fights in on our last week together~

Isaac.6041:

Pinko.2076:

Isaac.6041:

Well Dragonbrand does have some nice guilds. But I don’t know why you guys EMP are spending all this gold to get a challenge that doesn’t really exist.

Maguuma and Yak’s Bend are very weak servers compared to DB. I suppose you would be trying to push DB to T2 status then and then maybe T1 status.

While you were on JQ, I’ve seen you post recruitment messages for specific timeslots/timezones (and excluding others), so I guess you’ve grown bored of JQ dominance and now the challenge seems to be pushing another server to T1 (with your help). DB does seem like an ideal fit. They have some Taiwanese guilds (like JQ) but they don’t have as much NA which I suppose you would be adding. Anyway, there’s no need for you to share your “master plan” with everyone. People will speculate here and there. DB didn’t bribe you did they? LOL. Well, even if they did, no big deal. JQ could use some change.

Actually, yaks/mag are perfectly fine with DB. The NA hours, which are the hours that Mag/Yaks play in, DB is usually 2nd or 3rd the entire duration. However, there are good fight during NA all week long. t3 is a very balanced tier in the NA catagory.

To people that just read mos and like to play armchair commander, yes, DB dominates. They have insane coverage during Mag/yaks off hours and it leads to a very inflated score. This game is coverage, nothing more.

I hope DB enjoys t2. They have some fun guilds like [TG] that we’ll miss fighting against. Hopefully Kaineng will match up similarly in NA coverage so t3 doesn’t become another terrible slog. This transfer (and ones that will follow) really does make me sad to be losing a balanced match.

We already knew DB’s NA was their weakness. But they stomped YB and Maguuma by over 100k last week, so yes they did dominate. There was no balanced match there. JQ in Tier 1 only beat 2nd place by about 50k. SoR and BG wouldn’t say the match was balanced.

I really don’t know how long EMP is planning to stay on DB. Some of their members have already said they will stay loyal to JQ so it sounds like it’s a split decision. If they get bored and return to JQ, then you can have balanced match again.

I’m sorry, but I play WvW for the PvP part. I guess if you care about scores, then yes, DB dominated. In the PvP part of this game, it was balanced for the 8 hours of the day that yaks/mag were playing.

Thank goodness that the world of t1/t2 will have another number that is similar to current numbers. If the numbers are not similar, then who knows what could happen.

Isaac.6041:

Well Dragonbrand does have some nice guilds. But I don’t know why you guys EMP are spending all this gold to get a challenge that doesn’t really exist.

Maguuma and Yak’s Bend are very weak servers compared to DB. I suppose you would be trying to push DB to T2 status then and then maybe T1 status.

While you were on JQ, I’ve seen you post recruitment messages for specific timeslots/timezones (and excluding others), so I guess you’ve grown bored of JQ dominance and now the challenge seems to be pushing another server to T1 (with your help). DB does seem like an ideal fit. They have some Taiwanese guilds (like JQ) but they don’t have as much NA which I suppose you would be adding. Anyway, there’s no need for you to share your “master plan” with everyone. People will speculate here and there. DB didn’t bribe you did they? LOL. Well, even if they did, no big deal. JQ could use some change.

Actually, yaks/mag are perfectly fine with DB. The NA hours, which are the hours that Mag/Yaks play in, DB is usually 2nd or 3rd the entire duration. However, there are good fight during NA all week long. t3 is a very balanced tier in the NA catagory.

To people that just read mos and like to play armchair commander, yes, DB dominates. They have insane coverage during Mag/yaks off hours and it leads to a very inflated score. This game is coverage, nothing more.

I hope DB enjoys t2. They have some fun guilds like [TG] that we’ll miss fighting against. Hopefully Kaineng will match up similarly in NA coverage so t3 doesn’t become another terrible slog. This transfer (and ones that will follow) really does make me sad to be losing a balanced match.

Archer.1658:

So t1 will be happy because JQ will be less stacked. However, not sure why they would switch to DB of all teh t3 servers..DB is already winning..Bandwagon?

The thing about whenever a t1 guild transfers for a challenge or whatever, is they always pick a server that is already primed to move up without them, and already has coverage opposite of their play times.

Basche.2305:

Great battle at Bay Keep in Mag BL. Though we had out-manned with only about 15 of us Yak’s defending the Lord’s Room, we held off the 20-30 Baguma and the 30-ish some Bagon Brand for a good 10 or so minutes inside the inner keep. Oh, and you have NO idea how happy we were when Maguma finally decided to accept our invitation to come into Bay, we were literally begging you to come through the downed wall.

The thing about 3 way fights is it’s never “my 1 held off 2 servers!” it’s more “there were 3 servers so the attacking 2 played cautious”

Therane.3846:

Pinko.2076:

santi.7516:

Therane.3846:

Rifle/GS Warrior from WE in DB BL at NN just now. Good duels, I am glad you finally left the safety of your guards the second time

Also; Yaks.. you can keep fighting for second all you guys want. You will still end up in T4 within a month. But by all means, keep trying to side swipe mag

Maybe we don’t have Mag’s numbers and coverage, but who cares?, Yak’s Bend has demonstrated his skill level at every reset night. that’s enough for us, the score during the first 6~7 hours of reset night when even DB’s SEA guilds like TFV and NNK are present is at least a semi-accurate sign of skill, the rest of the week is just a coverage game.

Good night.

This is what Mag has been saying for months. Total score doesn’t really show anything, which is why we usually look for even fights or GvG instead. I don’t know why t3 suddenly cares so much about the total score so much.

I was thinking about it the opposite way. There is a reason why the matches are a week long, and not a day long.

There’s a reason why everyone hates how long the matches are whenever the subject of 2 week matches comes up. A system being in place does not mean that the system is good.

santi.7516:

Therane.3846:

Rifle/GS Warrior from WE in DB BL at NN just now. Good duels, I am glad you finally left the safety of your guards the second time

Also; Yaks.. you can keep fighting for second all you guys want. You will still end up in T4 within a month. But by all means, keep trying to side swipe mag

Maybe we don’t have Mag’s numbers and coverage, but who cares?, Yak’s Bend has demonstrated his skill level at every reset night. that’s enough for us, the score during the first 6~7 hours of reset night when even DB’s SEA guilds like TFV and NNK are present is at least a semi-accurate sign of skill, the rest of the week is just a coverage game.

Good night.

This is what Mag has been saying for months. Total score doesn’t really show anything, which is why we usually look for even fights or GvG instead. I don’t know why t3 suddenly cares so much about the total score so much.

mekkanic.4759:

Pinko.2076:

mekkanic.4759:

nice…DB BL is the only map that is queued up right now I WONDER WHY?

What’s there to wonder?

I just thought that EB was the place to be on reset night, not some boring BL…

;/

That’s an odd perspective, because the vast majority of Mag thinks Eternal is the boring one.

Gellor.6497:

Why is DB BL the only one queued

Because people went there. That’s what the queue means.

mekkanic.4759:

nice…DB BL is the only map that is queued up right now I WONDER WHY?

What’s there to wonder?

Mag are all soft and kind like babycats, you just need to get to know them.

Lion’s Arch Score Update

Score update time EST timezone

Iruwen.3164:

Pinko.2076:

If mesmers gear specifically for con. damage, you can get around 2300.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/62321/gw001.jpg
That’s with full exotic rabid gear (condition damage major, minor toughness) with runes of the undead (condition damage), 30 in illusions (300 condition damage), exquisite chrysocola jewels (condition damage major) and chaotic transference trait (5% of toughness added to condition damage, not in illusions but in chaos tree btw). Weapons: +condition damage major.
Will be slightly more with ascended gear.

With tuning crystal und veggie pizza, it’s ~1600 condition damage. Didn’t pick the most expensive versions but the second highest one, the difference is negligible though.

With 25 stacks from sigil of corruption, it’s 1850 condition damage.

From there, at least another dozen of might stacks is required to get to 2300 condition damage.

Is some of the condition damage not displayed correctly in the stats window or what exactly will I have to do to reach 2300 condition damage just by gearing “specifically”?

I made a build on a pve calculator just now that’s 2350ish. Ascended gear can be used in PvE. Plus 10% from Undead + chaos, food, utility, stacks. I don’t know what you’re doing wrong, but I can link you if you want.

My point was still that the condition damage cap is way, way above 1700, and engineers go much farther past that than mesmers because they can maintain 25 might stacks on their own.

Calvin.5380:

Vi Au.8341:

Calvin.5380:

Elano.2014:

Pinko.2076:

You were so eager to be right that you just made up a Mag guild. Zav is on FA. Also, he wasn’t telling NNK to leave…

I laughed, I really didn’t notice he wasn’t on Maguuma. Sorry for that.

But on the other hand, are you 100% sure there isn’t a SU on Mag?

Also, his hypothesis is based on NNK leaving, and in order for him to prove himself right, he would want NNK to leave.

No point giving logic to them, Elano. They’d have stopped arguing otherwise. Initially, it was NNK, TFV, then EA, then TG, and now BP. Maybe KUZO will be next.

They do this, while I’m running with an excellent EA commander, capturing their own BL, with a few others from NNK, KUZO, TFV and a few other guilds who constitute our server.

They still think of us as individual guilds. Maybe this is how they play, and why they don’t capture maps completely during NA times.

They come here to preach us about tactics, team play and what not. I wonder why they’re in 8th place if they knew so much. Keep giving excuses, and you’ll never learn. We’re seventh, and may soon be an undeserved 6th. Keep the inputs coming.

you do know that rating in wvw is all about coverage and not about tactics right?

You do know that coverage is about multiple guilds coordinating on a server, instead of a single guild, right? Logic. Again, you prove my point.

What? Coverage is not about coordinating a server.

We don’t have players on right now. I’m not on right now. It’s 10am. You’re vastly outnumbering people and then posting about it.

I don’t remember insulting any of those guilds listed except for BP, because you guys keep posting here about how you can do anything or whatever. The only things we’ve posted about TG/kuzo/tfv is that they’re good and we enjoy fighting them.

If you’d like for us to stop complimenting DB guilds please say so.