Guild Wars 2

Speaking as someone that plays (primarily) defense on my server (unless its mid week and I just want to get some WXP and loot bags) I have to say I feel your pain…mostly.

Sure people need to not be rude, but this is a game…online…with people. There tends to be rudeness, even from server mates. That being said, Anet isn’t (or doesn’t seem to be) all that concerned about making WvW very defense player friendly since your time spent (as well as gold and karma) on defense isn’t rewarded nearly as much as joining a group of roamers or a zerg. Unfortunately the other aspect of the game that hurts those of us that like some defensive play is that even if you singlehandedly got everything up to T3, the moment you log off, some group of 3 with a golem are going to paper it all over night, and you’re out all that time, gold and karma.

For those weeks that you know your server is going to get rolled hard, don’t worry so much about defense. It will only bug you out. And if you see people on your server making a like of ACs out in the field, chew them out for not manning up and fighting a proper open field battle.

Yeah, I know. Still sucks a bit though that you caught that much hell over nonsense. Say hi to [BS] for me!

King Amadaeus.8619:

Elochai.1280:

The only purpose this thread serves is to complain and publically announce that you think they are an unfriendly server.

Please explain why rain is wet master.

BWUH? Wait, so [BS] moved to Magz? Miss ya over in SF dude, but i understand.

silentnight warrior.2714:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

I have no idea if this was covered in the 6 pages, but I’m just going to throw this out there as food for thought (disclaimer, I don’t main a war, but have one at level 80 kitted out with clerics gear)

I mention how my war is armored for a reason that i hope will be clear as it pertains to this thread. I run banners (3 including elite) with wider area and healing, with LB and sword/axe/WH. WH does the removal of condi for ppl and my banners cover a nice area for regen for the zerg with a handy group rez when things get hot. Between them and my signet/adrenal healing and a few judicious dodges I can talk A LOT of damage. Ad to that the blind from the bow and its fairly hard to hurt me most of the time unless I get REALLY focused down, and in a zerg that’s kinda hard to do sometimes. Here’s the thing though. On my guardian, i can spec for some great healing and support, but i will be doing crap damage at best with some moderate crowd control. If i spec him for damage, the support will suffer to some degree. On my war, with the signet the way it is, and then bolstered by my banners I can spec to heal a ton of damage, but i am also able to dish out a fair amount of it. In a large group I can be a double threat just by using that signet and its passive heal.

With guardian you can provide better AoE healing, better area denial, better group dps by giving might and retalliation to allies. Warrior stands in a middle ground, not that great for AoE healing but better damage.

I agree 100%. My point is that I can still spec my War to do some pretty decent large area healing over time while still being able to put out respectable damage without having to spec for said damage, whereas the guard (although they can spread around some might to people) does some pretty BS damage on their own in their support spec, and one of the main reasons for this is a war’s signet that is almost a set and forget passive heal.

I have no idea if this was covered in the 6 pages, but I’m just going to throw this out there as food for thought (disclaimer, I don’t main a war, but have one at level 80 kitted out with clerics gear)

I mention how my war is armored for a reason that i hope will be clear as it pertains to this thread. I run banners (3 including elite) with wider area and healing, with LB and sword/axe/WH. WH does the removal of condi for ppl and my banners cover a nice area for regen for the zerg with a handy group rez when things get hot. Between them and my signet/adrenal healing and a few judicious dodges I can talk A LOT of damage. Ad to that the blind from the bow and its fairly hard to hurt me most of the time unless I get REALLY focused down, and in a zerg that’s kinda hard to do sometimes. Here’s the thing though. On my guardian, i can spec for some great healing and support, but i will be doing crap damage at best with some moderate crowd control. If i spec him for damage, the support will suffer to some degree. On my war, with the signet the way it is, and then bolstered by my banners I can spec to heal a ton of damage, but i am also able to dish out a fair amount of it. In a large group I can be a double threat just by using that signet and its passive heal.

He got a lucky shot with a cheese build set up. Chances are someone in that same zerg ate him alive for standing there taking the shot. Keep moving and reflecting as you go. It will help mitigate all damage anyway. Nothing to see here.

@Cain, i don’t know who in CoSA it might have been, but I’ll ask around.

Yeah, that’s pretty standard for stealthy-CD/backstab thieves. Actually, its kinda low. I’ve seen them hit WAY harder (around 12-13K). I was double teamed by 2 of them once and could only stop one of them from hitting me at a time with my guard and they just burned right through my protection and aegis. They are nasty, but nowhere near as bad as they used to be.

Sniping Dolyaks and escorting them are beyond crucial to WvW IMHO, but here’s the big problem. Let’s say you have a great server that mobilizes and gets those yaks safely to your keeps and towers and upgrades them all, and then…you all basically go to sleep and have no coverage. Then mini night crew zerglings come in and paper everything you work toward building up. It makes those of us that like the idea of playing defense feel like its pointless in the long run, or worse yet, it makes it harder for us to sell new WvW players on it since joining in with the zergs is far more appealing in an excitement/loot gain way. If defending was as rewarding for both PPT as well as loot gained from it more people might be apt to do it. Right now, its not challenging or rewarding for many people.

I think a lil from column A and some from B. I know i had fun roaming in a small group in DH BL last night. Finally snagged that north tower after 3 tries.

Fricken LA and Claw Island can go sit and rotate. mutters I just recently started falling back in love with GS and S/D combo although for fun I go shortbow and dual axe with feline and canine pets. Definitely move from the bows if you are getting mobbed or are really good at getting away from damage.

I’m honestly not trying to be a pain here, so please bear with me. I take it from your post OP that you are one of those long time since beta weekend War for life players, and that’s fine. I’m speaking as someone who has logged a tons of hours as every class with all of them (save one) at level 80 with lots of time in both PvE and WvW. I main Guard, so this will be from that perspective, but I can say with some clarity that I have experienced this with my other toons as well (even my War).

In WvW, I have found myself on more than one occasion running along and found myself facing down with a hambow or hammer/mace+shield warrior. In each of those fights those warriors overcame my aegis, dodges and stunbreakers with enough CC to keep me from effectively healing or escaping the fight. It didn’t matter that they didn’t put out a TON of damage in 2 seconds flat. They didn’t need to. All they had to do was keep rooting and interrupting me and i was dead. In the few fights that the war was new and still didn’t know what they were doing they were still able to out strip all of my defensive abilities eventually and wore me down. To date the only of my toons that has avoided this has been my engie, and that is only barely. Had another of their server rolled up on us during that fight I would have gone down easily. The reason why so many say that Warriors are OP in this way is because they are the ONLY class with so much CC that you cannot conceivably spec a character to overcome that CC while still being a viable asset in other fights. Basically this means you can either spec to try to beat out a warrior’s CC and be horrible at everything else, or spec to do most other things and get facerolled by the warrior CC. Remember that I am just accounting for a single warrior’s CC and not the additional damage and CC from others that might be traveling/attacking with that warrior. Note: I also had the same issues with how broken the perma-stealth/near insta-kill that thieves had for a while because there was simply no real defense against it, let alone if 2 thieves and any other class got to you in open field. For instance, I am a semi decent warrior from my time playing them, and one day I was running around with my mace/shield and longbow set up in WvW. I came across another warrior that was in full run away mode and i was still able to CC him enough to make his ability to run away pointless. The only reason he lived through the encounter was that he was able to get close enough to his tower that some of his buds saw and came to his rescue. That (to me) is a crazy amount of CC on one class.

PowerCat.5738:

It’s not a problem, it’s a feature.

You sound like a person who’s dealt with their fair share of developers.

i think we need to get Sav an award for how many times he’s seen the ban-hammer in these threads.

Are you planning on just playing PvE or doing WvW at some point?

Tomasmxmf.9403:

Scoobaniec.9561:

DylanLucas.6058:

They should nerf warrior more. Just chased a warrior for like 10 minutes around with 5 people and he stayed alive, outran us only by using his skills, its kitteng ridiculous

Wut..did he used some kind of aggro shout that forced ur char to chase him? Also 5 ppl chaising one player in WVW..yeah sounds to me like 5 noobs that doesnt know how to play wvw by any means. Do a favor to ur server and stop taking place, someone might be more useful.

Sounds like 6 ppl that didn’t get the memo if a warrior has a lead he’s gonna keep that lead haha

Kinda reminds me of the time i was trying to get all the JPs and spent about 10 minutes running around the enemy map with 4 guys on me chanting “LEEME ’LONE!” while running away and laughing as they continued to chase me. Good times.

Anet could care less about making sure guards are good at what their class was built for. I have fun with my guard in zerker gear, but i accept many deaths will come to me that way. I have a decent time with his boons for dayz support build, but if I’m out there by myself, oh well…death. On the other hand, my engie can provide support and damage as can my healing banner war, and they do so far better than my guard. :/

Someone on my server has a sylvari engie called “Twigger Finger” I loved it. heh

As others have stated, if you give me the option to name the pet, AND the option to have 30 different pets, then take the time to make sure I can either save the names or don’t give me the option to name them in the first place. Its rude and frankly pointless.

Dirame.8521:

Yamsandjams.3267:

Dirame.8521:

Shaogin.2679:

Was looking for a damage build, and static discharge builds are nothing more than a cheap trick to kill glass cannons. SD involves sacrificing all defense just in order to tick someone off and make yourself an easy target. The damage output does not justify the sacrifice of survival.

Have you tried; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8jc3xtHxU

I’ve updated the build since then but it still works. You’re not necessarily the hardest target to kill but you’ve got a few escape options.

I could never get into this build because I just really don’t like bombs, but it’s a nice alternative to an SD for bursting people. Of course, I feel this one is a bit more reliant on the enemy not having stability in order to really work properly, whereas SD just DGAF.

Speaking of bombs, I don’t know if people are still using those silly BoB-elixir X combos. Pretty sure those were just a fad.

Over the course of playing the build I learned other ways of landing the burst. For instance; place BoB first then immob immediately after, then jump shot. The pull is only if they are far off and you don’t want to get in the danger zone.

Another build you could try is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmW__JFzDOQ&list=TLf07Hf8N_GGrU99ttQPKNBSgW_crtR92O

I’ve modified it several times. Right now it looks more like this; http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIqyaX3SVF17IBoH19u4V0jKTZH/pAdB-ToAgyCuI0SplTLjWStsaN+YuA

It’s quite hard to get your head around in the heat of battle but when you get there it’s quite a formidable build.

Honest question: Why are you traited for removing condi with elixirs if you don’t run elixirs on that build?

Just my two cents as someone who mains a guard but also has a support/heal war (and mind you, this is JUST from my experience, so take it with a grain of salt): In a group support roll, Guards can do more than just keep heals up in a large group. With my boons and boon up time along with my staff I can literally turn a group battle to my side’s favor just by popping walls and reflects while keeping people’s health up. Since I also heal every time i hand out a boon, as long as I’m in a group I’m kitten near “unkillable”. That being said, I run my war most of the time with full cleric, 3 banners (one of them being the elite), one shout (depending on the situation), and my healing signet. The amount of heal over time I can put out in an area coupled with the emergency group revive and extra regen one of my banners can put down on top of the regen its already putting out I can keep a large area of people alive even if they get spread out some on the battlefield. Add in the warhorn and conditions aren’t too much of a bother. As others have stated, even with that load out i can still put out better damage than my guard (hehe longbow). So yeah. play whatever you feel fits best with your play style.

I have a level 80 of every class except for Mes (which i re-rolled a while ago). For ease of play, war is def the way to go to get your feet wet as messing up won’t hurt as much as it would with the other classes. Regardless of what you play, this game takes skill to stay alive, and you will have to unlearn things you were used to from other MMOs.

the JPs in WvW are fine, and they give WvW specific loots, so its all good, but yeah, no more mobs that can actually affect WvW gameplay.

I have to say I’ve been fairly absent from this week of play. I only got to jump in there a handful of times early on and was tired of trying to heard a lot of new to WvW players through the map on an internet connection hell bent on flaking out on me more often than not. I was really looking forward to some good fights, but locking up only to find that i was rolled over by 5+ people as the new guys scattered was disheartening and frustrating. I hope this next week will be more fun for me, but since I will be missing reset because of work I have no idea if i’ll even get to play this weekend.

Not to mention when you look at that entire exchange you do a total of double the amount of damage that the guardian did sooooo… what are you complaining about again?

Arius.7031:

ghost.3208:

Arius.7031:

If you guys had 2 maps queued (EB/SF BL) then you definitely had 2.5, because there was a large zerg in our BL right from the get-go. And didn’t you take a keep in ET as well?

If memory serves me right, at reset there was no queue for EB. I remember this because it’s usually the first map that gets queued along with our BL, I arrived like 15 minutes late for reset and got a surprise seeing there was no queue

Of course, as time went on we eventually queued it, but at least for the start of the matchup there was no queue in EB.

Interesting. An SF person said in the previous thread that it was queued, so I assumed it was.

I can say with some certainty (as the majority of my playtime is reset nights) that we have few to no queues in most borderlands this past Friday, and as Manoa said when there was one it was for a few minutes if that. As a comparison, about one or 2 matches ago, I came home after reset started, and i was in a queue until 2am EST. Our turn out for this past reset was WAY low, and i know for me at least i had horrible lag reset night/was bounced from the game about 5 times with a bad connection (all on my end, yay comcast). DH has definitely stepped it up some this week so kudos to them (although to the war i was 1v1ing last night that had to drop back for your 10+ to come in and save your bacon, for shame).

Its been fun the few times I’ve gotten to play though.

Face 1, but modified a touch and with the spike/thorn hair cut.

My connection to the game has been horrible this week, so I just threw my guard in there last night in his zerker gear. Figured if i was going to go down lots anyway, I might as well maximize the damage while i was standing. It was fun. The life stepped in and i had to log out again.

simply put, a good engie will ruin my day if they sneak into a battle mid-way or run unchecked in WvW. As an engie i’ve held off up to 5 people for at least 5 minutes while an objective was protected/taken and bought enough time for some others on my server to come in behind and wipe them even if they eventually got me down. Simply put, we are a threat as engies since we have such versatile builds. We can cover all ranges with a variety of skills/utilities AND we can spec for some fairly useful defensive and mobility boosts while keeping some decent damage trait specs in tact. In short i think we are the most well balanced/well rounded of the classes which in turn can seem kind of OP at times to others. If we are ignored, then the battle shifts in our team’s favor, so if we see an engie we tend to focus them down.

Yeah, as someone who’s been having more fun with their engie lately, you DO NOT want to be a guard in melee/bomb range of me for too long because I will bomb and tool kit you down pretty fast. If I’m rocket booting to close the gap, then you know I’m not going to hit you with grenades, which is a plus, but I’ve been running with the elixir gun in that slot lately too for those that go to put the distance bewtween me and them. Engies running perp runes are jerks.

this is going to be a fun week.

I could def offer some of them a home with my small guild. maybe our tag would get some recognition and not be considered PUGers.

Had some fun last night protecting hills and re-capturing water camp and lake tower in SF BL. You guys in [OBEY] are a tenacious bunch, even when you got wiped in the lord’s room. Finally got your treb down in the ruins. Gonna file that one away for future use.

Sad i had to miss fight night. Had to do some cooking for a pot luck at work today.

Oh Syde, how I’ve fallen to your warrior in the last week. Seriously. I was out to get the jp the other day in your BL and I’m fairly certain i ran afoul of you or another war from your guild. Either way, good show. thankfully i was outmanned and had no armor repair.

For me right now I’d say guards might be easiest for me as I main one and know them the best, so I know the tricks that lots of them use to stay alive.

Mezzies still wreck me though. i can never keep track of them after a point so i have a hard time keeping up the pressure unless I’m on my condi thief.

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

That is an awesome shot.

hehe, well, i did have some fun with it last night. Got some masterwork apoth gear from the TP and threw them on there and went out into WvW to get some Yaks/find some roamers. Was definitely fun those first few times they came at me and realized too late that I was running perps. Granted I was only running the mace/shield with bulls, and stomp and had a longbow for some condi trolling instead of hammer, but it was still neat. Became more fun when i met up with some other servermates and really confused some people (pun sorta intended).

haven’t had much time to play except for a few runs here and there and some late night camp/yak hunting. Was fun running around in HoD BL grabbing those camps and yaks. I don’t take my ranger or warrior out into WvW much so it was fun practice.

OK, yeah, that’s pretty much what I was thinking. I might just grab some dinky armor off the tp and throw them on there and mess around for a bit.

I was all geared up in my head to throw them on my warrior for the lulz, but I just can’t bring myself to use them. They are just SO cheesy that I am having a hard time justifying actually using them on a stun set in WvW. I’d honestly feel bad for using them.

Should I hold off to see how Anet changes them or just bite the bullet and make me a set of armor with them for the laughs?

Seriously want to know what other long time warriors feel/think about these runes.

Am i the only one that tends to run into 3 stun lock wars and their d/d ele friend in WvW when trying to use tomes?

I only got a chance to skim a lot of these, but am I the only one that would like shield 5 to have both reflect and impassable barrier (like the hammer skill)? This way I can justify that CD on it and have it be something that can delay an attacker while i revving someone, etc.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Can’t even play this game anymore because everywhere I run some sad little SF zergling is sitting on cannons. I have seen this behavior from three servers, BP, IoJ and now SF. I never really understood the appeal…

the appeal is that they are probably new to WAvW/uplevels that are first learning about defense (and keeping eyes out for invaders) so they can report it to the ground troops. I think it works well insofar as it both bolsters our defenses while allowing people that are squishier to contribute without incurring tons of armor repair costs. They eventually move on to ground zergling, then if they have still stuck around, roamer. i also like to jump on siege if i know i have to get up to deal with one of my daughters by going afk for a few secs.

Banzie.5248:

Oh man I cant wait til I get back into the lower tiers again after this league crap.

Miss you too. I by miss you I mean goodgoditsmendandi’minthewrongbuildtoohwellfudge…respawn.

;)

Seriously, every time I see you all coming I’m out in an up-level or zerker gear trying to kill yaks and then bam…gotta get me some armor repair.

irishhaf.1692:

welp so much for the PVe numbers push… if Hod didn’t chase ours away… SF sure is.

I hate you SF… I was on the AC in bay just now… seconds after I died a steel chest dropped at my feet…I hate you.

I’ve lost count of how many bags and chest Iost for that same reason. Hell i know of a few times that some members of [Yarr] were responsible for that very thing happening to me (much love ya’ll). Just part of the game.

Mattargul.9235:

“Guards: Symbol of Swiftness: This skill now applies 4 seconds of swiftness per pulse, rather than 8 seconds if you have no swiftness and 1 second if you have swiftness.”
That’s a sucky change. Not only are you not “fixing” the addition of swiftness from the symbol if you already have swiftness, you are reducing the base swiftness applied?

How is this helping your stated goal of “We do feel that damage guardians are not as powerful as they could be.” An extra 4s of AOE swiftness would have made them OP? Biggest issue for damage guards is in-combat mobility. Adding more damage isn’t helping you if you can’t catch what you are trying to hit.

If at least the 4s would stack additively for the duration of the field it would still serve some support roles, like speeding up yaks.

I think you misread it. They are saying that instead of 8 seconds of swift or one additional if you already have it, that it will now give 4 secs of swift per pulse, so if you stay in it for 3 pulses you will get 12 secs of swiftness.

Jesse.4631:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

that group you guys just had in our BL that gave us the outmanned buff was pretty big there FC. Made running into the middle of the group much more fun. I stayed standing for a whole 5 seconds.

Thats it!? What a noob. 10 seconds in the middle of a zerg get on my level

Well to be fair, I was using an alt that was an up-level. hehe got a few knock downs in before getting crushed.

that group you guys just had in our BL that gave us the outmanned buff was pretty big there FC. Made running into the middle of the group much more fun. I stayed standing for a whole 5 seconds.

I’m just sad i had to log off abruptly last night due to some at home nonsense and then couldn’t get back in due to queues. That being said, there were some fun fights on SF BL when I was on and the fighting over Bay was definitely interesting. Moreso because I saw some of our recent growth last night (not numbers, but in strategy/skill) and that made me happy. I look forward to more fun through the week and maybe even some 1v1s while roaming if it becomes feasible.