Guild Wars 2

In my opinion MF is useless, since it only counts on mob loot and you can always use food to boost your MF. It affects loot tables the same way everywhere, open world, dungeons/fractals.

Wearing MF in more difficult dungeons/higher fractals is very selfish and I would be pretty kitten if someone isn’t contributing as much as other people just because they want personal gain. In easier dungeons/lower lvl fractals, I honestly don’t care what people are wearing.

I’m actually going after Sunrise myself, since I already have the precursor and I prefer the “paladin/knight” look with my T3 human set more, than the dark and gloomy twilight. Twilight seems to be a bit overdone aswell, so a bit of variety is always nice. I’m in the painful progress of gathering charged lodestones from CoE and getting 100g for runestones at the same time. My next goal will probably be the Volcanus as my bloodlust GS.

Also GS > Axe any day if you run glass.

Condition damage amulet? Õ.õ
Otherwise looks like pretty much standard “balanced” dps spec. Will work in hotjoin.

/signed
Noone cares about the clipping.

Mind blown, you have totally reimagined warrior builds and gameplay.

Recently.1043:

He said in 15 seconds without taking damage. You won’t kill chieftain with just the endure pain. You would have to equip a ranged weapon in your 2nd weapon set, and whirlwind out of range once hb is done, then ranged fight him to take no damage. Never tested myself if that would be 15 secs or less, since i don’t use rifles in sPvP, but probably would. I don’t know how any of that is related to skill though. Fighting an NPC is always easier than fighting another person.

Signet of Rage+Healing surge (for full adre, but isn’t really needed)→Bladetrail→dodge chieftain axe→whirlwind→frenzy+bull’s charge for KD→100b→swap to axe+shield→shield bash→eviscerate=Done.

No skill needed for this and you don’t need a ranged weapon. Trials against live persons would be better indeed.

That aside, will be looking forward to videos and your progress in this.

I support this thread.
Also add preview to TP.

+1
Previewing was so convenient for deciding the final look for my alts without having the need to swap chars or just to see even what someone else got as a drop when they linked it. I fail to see the reasoning on why they removed it.

Ooo a e-p*nis competition, I’ll bite.

• I crit CoE p3 destroyer for 29k+ 100b, 20-24k+ is constant against most mobs.
• My gs auto crits up to 5k+, whirlwind 10k+ is normal, I constantly proc quickness, get bleeds from arms tree trait and increase overall dps further.

(And I’m 99% glass, I have some non berserker jewelry and runes aren’t full damage)

Thief can spike, but warr will outdps you and at the same time buff party’s overall damage aswell from FGJ, vulna stacks and fury.

Come at me, bro.

Negativity.5801:

Redscope.6215:

Negativity.5801:

Just because Anet says it doesn’t make it true.

LOL@Bolded text.

Anyway, I’m not jumping on any bandwagon. Its just annoying to find that the ‘may need help’ phrase is only found in the warrior’s philosophy. It would just be nice if they put a ‘may need help’ section on everyone’s philosophy since that would lead people to believe that certain classes have holes which can only be filled in by teamwork.

Warriors are very balanced. The philosophy is not. Think about that for a minute.

I haven’t gone across another forum and saw any overabundance of content for a class. Honestly, every single class forum is filled with posts complaining (whether justified or not) about the class. Don’t think anyone has any illusions that their class is completely self-sustaining and without its faults.

If you want Anet to add a weakness section for all the classes in their philosophy, I can at least see eye to eye with that, but I don’t think people are gonna draw conclusions about the class based purely on what the philosophy says.

@Coaxial

Put the pitchfork down and relax. This isn’t an aggressive discussion, it was a satirical jab at the posts complaining that warriors may need to gear, trait, and use certain utilities to accomplish certain goals as if other classes don’t and I’ve already made posts explaining accomodations warriors can make to deal with their weakness in condition removals and Schwahrheit also made a similar post further including other ways warriors can cope. No need to get all Gung Ho every time someone makes a joke, even if it is a bad one.

We as warriors are excellent in blowing someone to pieces with ONE build in right conditions. It is a fact that we can’t hold our own against equally skilled players in 1v1.

(Schwarzheit uses a basic build that is very effective when you’re being supported hard by teammates, so that’s not relevant.)

My main grief is that why do we need to be babysitted? Warriors can be effective, but it also requires to build a team around us.

@Sami: Powerbuild (aka high tough/vit/pow) is supereffective in hotjoin against 99% of players, but it falls really short in more competitive play. In there you’re pretty much forced to give your two slots for stability, frenzy and of course the 3rd for a pindown skill. We can’t afford the luxury of signet of stamina or any shout in pvp.

Truth is, if I see another warrior going rampage against me in spvp (very, very rarely) or in wvwvw, I’m 99.9% sure I will win that fight. I’m pretty sure all the other warr players feel the same.

Schwahrheit.4203:

@Psybunny
Again, learn to play. If you’re glass, know how conditions connect (I.E, dodge approach Marks and Traps) and kill them before they get the full condition combo on you.

For a different kind of build that focuses on sustain: Permanent Vigor (Making use of it by knowing how conditions connect), Signet of Stamina, Rune of Water, Warhorn 4/5 are enough to deal with conditions if you want to tank certain condition classes such as Necros and Rangers, soak up condition damage for the team and convert conditions for others every 16 seconds. Also another thing is before you heal, MAKE SURE YOU CLEANSE POISON. THAT IS IMPORTANT.

If you say you main Warrior for months, at least don’t show signs of low-skill on top of pessimism. Seriously you claim you know everything about a class yet still can’t find a sliver of potential at all.

This is what I believe that’s destroying the Warrior class; people who claim their “good” but would rather succumb than pierce through. Not to mention lack of team-work knowledge and synchronization is just that bad.

My dear brother in arms, let me introduce you to the patch notes if you haven’t read them.

“Free and Paid tournaments now have a new build-locking feature. When the countdown timer completes, players will no longer be able to change weapons, armor, skills, or traits until the match is over. This will prevent players from abusing build-swapping between fights.”

Are you suggesting for me to go warhorn for that all and mighty condi cleansing instead of shield? I know I’m pessimistic, but that might be more due to for me having noone to back me up anymore in pvp. If I would be playing in NA, I’d probably enjoy a lot playing together with you. Atleast I’m still having tons of fun in PvE/WvWvW.

(Btw regarding this and a post from the other thread, I alt a necro and I’m pretty solid on making any bursters day a nightmare. That’s why all the questions about counters.)

Btw what are your thoughts about the new ele bunkers, what I’ve felt for now is that they are A LOT harder to bite through.

snip from Braxxus

Helpful and I can totally connect mate. I might give it a go for fun, played quite a bit of ranger in BWE1.

But is it worth it? I mean breakstun + only 2 conditions removed if you go SiO for example.

Negativity.5801:

AlBundy.7851:

You do understand that when you trait and gear yourself for condition removal on a warrior it limits you to doing just that and pretty much nothing else right? You pay such a steep price for it.

Warriors are not well rounded in high lvl competitive spvp. They are playable in wvw and pve but that’s not what the majority of the playerbase or ANET is talking about.

Saying having traits or gearing for condition removal limits you to just that is such a blatant exaggeration it isn’t even funny. Even if you swapped out all your dps runes for soldier runes, you’re not losing stats, you’re trading them for slightly more defensive ones. Soldier gives 90 vit and 35 toughness + condition removal on shouts, even if you just run FGJ and SiO you now have 2 active condition removals both on short cd (Untraited 25s) and SiO now removing 2 conditions instead of 1 on top of breaking stun. A trade like this for a significant gain in defensive utility in stats and condition removal can hardly be considered a “steep price”

I’m not saying you should have every single trait and utility for condition removal, I’m saying warriors have plenty of options to accomodate the weakness and don’t need support from other classes to accomplish it.

Redscope.6215:

Anyone else notice that bolded part about asking friends for help is not listed in any other classs ‘philosophy’?

Yeah. Would be nice to know that Warriors aren’t the only class designed to need help from others in certain areas.

Stop jumping on the bandwagon. Warrior is one of the most well balanced classes in the game. They aren’t in a bad place and it’s not like other classes are so amazing that they don’t need help from anyone. Just because Anet says it doesn’t make it true.

Do you even lift?
Seriously, have you even played warr once in tpvp. We should go shoutbuild to handle conditions and lose those little things like stability and quickness?

CoaxialMazer.9140:

Psybunny.8906:

If you want to be useful in buffing/keeping party alive run lbow and shoutbuild (banners as 2nd choice) like 99% of whatever warriors in dungeons. In wvwvw run something hard to kill (20/0/20/10/20 for example with P/V/T gear) and if you have a solid group with our best lovepartners guardians, then go full glass, let them babysit and keep you alive and go 100% glass. You’ll come all over their pretty guardian faces for the perma protection/regen buffs and they’ll cuddle you for the 24-28k you’ll hit in return in dungeons.

I loled for at this (not insulting, just funny how warriors feel unwarrior like)

Sad, but true.
If anyone got the wrong idea, then lbow isn’t main weapon ofc, that’s only for might stacking through combofields. You can easily get near perma 25 stacks of might with a fellow hammer/might on crit guardian buddy.

Braxxus what are you using with ranger? Is it really better than thief or the rare mindkitten dps guard in tvp? I’m ashamed to say it, but I’ve tried so-so hard to make warr work., but I guess at this point it’s my own lack of skill to make him work. Some people can make him work with superiour teamplay, but I no longer have the team to back me up, since others have moved on and I’m pretty much alone atm (team plox?). I don’t want to ditch my warr, but I don’t feel like being subpar. For the usual superhuman warrior scharzheit (sorry don’t remember the spelling), I no longer have a team to carry me, so any of your usual “do mace+shield chainstun” strategies are out of question, but any other advice except pure dickery is welcomed.

Atleast Fast hands fix is a godsend and we still rock the hell out of everyone in PvE/WvWvW.

If you want to be useful in buffing/keeping party alive run lbow and shoutbuild (banners as 2nd choice) like 99% of whatever warriors in dungeons. In wvwvw run something hard to kill (20/0/20/10/20 for example with P/V/T gear) and if you have a solid group with our best lovepartners guardians, then go full glass, let them babysit and keep you alive and go 100% glass. You’ll come all over their pretty guardian faces for the perma protection/regen buffs and they’ll cuddle you for the 24-28k you’ll hit in return in dungeons.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Psybunny.8906:

Solid gameplay and enjoyable music/editing (the XX ftw). Looking forward to seeing more stuff from you.

A few questions regarding your team composition:

• What role does the other warrior fulfill and what does he run?
• How do you deal with not using Mobile Strikes? I can’t imagine running glass without that trait.
• What compositions do you run on other maps (excluding the current necro meta)?

Any tips against wellnecros and shatter mesmers guarding a point? I have the most problem with them.

You don’t know how to deal with a non-stun break Necro, yet you mained Warrior for months? Khayn just proved it. It is a learn to play/pick/build around issue and is NOT for low-skill cap players. And sorry to say, but I’m beginning to believe even more that the people who complain about Warriors being “bad” are just low skill.

LEARN TO CHAIN STUN BRO WITH A MACE. LEARN. Activate balanced stance the moment you land a stun so you don’t get feared off and try to dodge marks while approaching. In-fact, you don’t even need to show yourself you can just gank them from the top of the roof. Daze them with a mace, force them to dodge, catch them in the end of the dodge.

Even better when you have someone to immobilize for you, immobilize + chain stun = NECRO DIES even with a stun break.

Would like to visit EU one day because of people like you Khayn, keep up the good work.

And you obviously haven’t fought any good necros.

http://www.gw2db.com/items/54232-runic-scimitar

I believe it’s a drop only weapon. Your best bet is to check the TP. Try to find the lowest lvl exo that has that skin, shouldn’t cost you that much.

Solid gameplay and enjoyable music/editing (the XX ftw). Looking forward to seeing more stuff from you.

A few questions regarding your team composition:

• What role does the other warrior fulfill and what does he run?
• How do you deal with not using Mobile Strikes? I can’t imagine running glass without that trait.
• What compositions do you run on other maps (excluding the current necro meta)?

Any tips against wellnecros and shatter mesmers guarding a point? I have the most problem with them.

WvWvW is and is meant to be casual, it’s more about army vs army than individual players. If you want personal pvp and more of a skill vs skill not the chaos/imbalanced fights wvwvw offers, go structured pvp.

*I’m hoping to see a lot of bugfixes. I’m crossing my fingers for warrior (fast hands/vengeance doubledeath first plox) and necro mainly.
*Some slight buffs to some of the ranger skills, slight adjustment in ele traits.
*Hopefully a small nerf to shatter mesmer and a better fix for culling and that the ele downstate doesn’t reset hp.

That’s my realistic thought on what’s going to happen. Unrealistically, I’m hoping I could play something else than gs glass warr, better condition options in both removing and applying and more viable builds for everyone, especially warr and ranger.

Must be cultural differences. Here in nordic countries we celebrate holidays by bathing in the blood of our enemies.

Take a passport picture of yourself, you’ll get same results in real life.

I believe we have a bit more experience and we’re just trying to help you in a constructive way. Most of us have tried to find anything else viable and I know that this is your build and it has a special flavor to you. Truth is, there is nothing up to bar with pure glass 100b with 2nd set ?/shield. If you’re EU I can show you the flaws of this build in practice and I don’t even play that much pvp anymore.

We’ll be ready to help you in a week or so to build the best glass for your playstyle once you meet a couple of decent playing shatter mesmers, kiting eles you will never touch, instagibbed by thieves you cannot punish back or chain cc’d by engys and our favourites condition necros.

On the other hand you can also continue like this and we’ll have less “warriors are OP” threads in ranger forum.

Scotto.3609:

What part of go hard or go home do you lot not understand. 10k evis 7k tornado highest crit… almost 3k tremors, over 1k fire proc from sigil, 1.5k-2k axe #4 and 2k auto attacks. You guys enjoy living that little bit longer and ill continue melting peoples faces off.

Let’s see…whirldwind or dodge your eviscarate, shield bash your tornado to put you on CD. If you breakstun follow up with bulls+frenzy and dead triple axe warrior, if not, melt stunned warr with axe auto+frenzy. When warr wakes up, finish off with whirlwind. Stability for secured stomp.

If this were BWE2 and eviscerate still had it’s 10-12k+ damage guaranteed on every swap, this would be a lolstomp build against bad players like it used to be. Atm it’s just bad. I just showed an easy counter from the most classic and well known build to yours. Both are pure glass builds, the other one does it’s job better though.

Reality is, everything positive this build has, other glass warr builds have it also, but they have none the negative. You rely only on one skill to set up your kill (mace 5).
Axe+mace works in hotjoin and it’s hell fun to play with, but it’s more effective in a sturdy build, because it lacks any sort of mobility and it needs synergy from the 2nd set (either sword+shield for mobility or mace+shield for stuns). You benefit nothing from axe+axe since axe auto has bigger dps than axe 5 which is interruptable btw.

This build doesn’t have:

• Any way to mitigate damage
• Capclosers
• Mobility to escape against bad odds
• No burst except eviscerate (auto without frenzy is slow and axe AoE just sucks)
• No synergy between weapon sets

Don’t take this personally, but this is nothing new or some new secret killall build, it’s even underpar to what we have currently. If you want to go big and hard, then go pure glass. 20/30 in arms and cross your fingers you catch someone off guard.

If this were about explorable mode, I could relate, I found that quite difficult at first also. CM storymode is a total faceroll even after the buff a while ago. This is caused more likely due to lack of experience and maybe a way too one dimensional approach to your class. It will get A LOT easier once you’re more familiar with dungeons overall.

As someone else mentioned, I leveled my alt necro from 33-80 purely on dungeons aswell and swapped armor two times because being a cheapass. Once on 35 and once on 55 (AC and TA rares). Was a bit more difficult later due to the downleveling, but nothing very noticeable.

Dolan.3071:

You are allowed two signets, two, any more and you’re cut from the team.

I run 3 :/ (2 shouts/signet of might, rage and healing)

I have the same love for all the guardians who stay in melee range with me in dungeons. Your buffs make me feel like I’m a pretty girl who is being showered with flowers.

I got a ring on my first try, most of my guildies on 2nd, some still haven’t gotten it.
RNG is RNG, no need for threads like this.

This thread made my day. Thanks for the laughs.
I’m 100% sure that ranger condition remove skills work.
What is happening most likely is you not noticing the caltrops field, removing the conditions while standing inside the cripple/bleed AoE and instantly getting new bleeds on you. On the 2nd screenshot you posted you’re actually getting bleeds from mesmer illusions.

And the 50-60 hits you have on screenshots are from bleed ticks not direct attacks, they can’t be avoided after applied, only cleansed. I’ve had a deathscreen with near 300 hits from bleeds when I used a tanky build with loads of condition removals.

For the thief build just kite the LDB thief and range him down. That build has horrible mobility and you as a ranger should have no problem facing him.

Hate to say or use this term, but a pure example of L2P issue.

Much appreciated Dru, got another step closer to my legendary and around 450k karma spent. I’ll be your servers visitor for a week now.

Cheers from Gandara.

Warr’s have excellent survivability in PvE. :P

What’s your mainfocus ingame, PvE/WvWvW/sPvP?

If you want to avoid being a glass, then a low crit/high power&toughness build should be suitable for you. If you want to avoid gs, then the definite choice is the mainhand axe.

If I misunderstood you and just want some survivability paired with high damage you can achieve that aswell by not going full glass and getting a few pieces of survivability stats, that way you’ll get decent base critchance (around 30-35%), enough toughness so nothing would onehit you (1.3-1.5 is totally fine) and okish HP (you should aim around 20k with a crit focus damage build).

You can pair your axe up with various offhands:
Shield: for a good fast stun/interrupt and some damage mitigation from block
Mace: extra vulnerability stacking and an awesome frontal direction line knockdown
Warhorn: vigor/swiftness buff, weakness on enemies and removes some conditions from you
2nd Axe: kinda useless fury buff (we get it from everywhere), but a good AoE option from axe 5 and good looks from running dualwield.
Sword: doesn’t really complement the axe that well, but could have it’s uses from block/adrenaline gain.

For 2nd weaponset use whatever feels natural to you and what you feel that you’re missing from your main set. Go to Heart of the mists (top row sword icons), buy all the different weapons you can use from the pvp weapon vendor (they’re free) and just equip and play around with them on the golems to see what you feel comfortable with. Great place to try out your future planned build aswell.

For PvE all you need to survive is basically adrenal health on full adrenaline and healing signet on passive. Will make you lazy though.
Mending is a great choice in condition heavy fights and vs unexpected burst. Thanks to the recent changes to healing surge it’s a very good option aswell. You really can’t go wrong related to PvE/dungeons, just take what feels comfortable for you. I’d suggest always carrying a ranged option with you though. Even if it just sits in your bag. It’s good to be able to adapt to the situation on the go.

Rifle is a strong single target/direct damage (bleed on autoattack is just a bonus) weapon, while longbow shines more with it’s combofield/finisher and AoE damage (not so good as main weapon, but a very good 2nd set).

Utility wise: shouts/banners/some signets are all good choices, but stay flexible and make sure you have enough choices to adapt to different needs. Bolas are one of the must have CC skills to unlock imo.

This is all from a PvE viewpoint and we’re very strong there.

For WvWvW the exact build/setup doesn’t really matter either, you’re just required to have a bit more toughness/vitality gear and a ranged weapon in your bag atleast.

sPvP is a totally different subject and there are some good discussions about the state/viable options for a warrior in this and spvp section.

Anyways, I hope you’ll enjoy warrior playstyle and we’ll have another fellow comrade in our ranks. Feel free to contact me or other people with questions ingame.

Axe+mace is an awesome damage set and one of the sets I enjoyed playing the most. Especially if you have the immo on cripple trait and after the on the move tremor cast change it was even more awesome, but sadly I found it lacking in tournas. Since I lost the mobility from gs and while trying to compensate with sword+shield I just felt like I was g i m p i n g myself further from avoiding the gs.

Could go gs/axe+mace, but I could never see myself dropping shield. :/

nakoda.4213:

What do you mean that warriors cannot condition?

We have bleeds (swords), burns (bows), and poison (radiation field). What other conditions are there?

We also apply weaknesses (warhorn), stuns (hammer), cripples (axe), and immobilize (one of the off-hands that I can’t place at the moment) … (not to mention all the stuff i haven’t mentioned).

Would you please clarify what you mean about warriors not being able to condition?

Sorry, should have been more clearer, atleast the guys below you got what I meant.
What I meant was that condition build (bleed in this case) warrior is useless in the terms of competitive pvp (doesn’t include wvwvw, doesn’t matter what you use in w3 honestly).

To clear few things up:

• Radiation field is a racial not a warrior skill (actually had to look it up, because I was dumbfounded when someone implied warriors have access to poison).
• Immo is from lbow 5/sword burst, not from any offhand and has nothing to do with condition damage.
• Any other condition you mentioned besides bleed&burning is offtopic and is irrelevant to the direct vs condition damage discussion. I can’t really use only weakness to kill someone can I? Would be lovely to see someone die from spamming warhorn though.

Haha totally this

I’m snarky cause I care and have dumped, and continue to dump my resources and efforts into this class as my ‘main’, because I want it to be. However in TPvP I have played every class and recognize entirely how the class I would like to play falls short in comparison to the classes with real gamechanging power in PvP

Deathspike.1870:

You’re not an off-tank if you can’t heal. The damage you soak up is irrelevant if you have enough regeneration to recover it. We can get up to 4 permanent regenerative abilities and shout for several thousands of health every few seconds. I use a tanking sword/shield build with bow as ranged weapon. I have Signet of Healing, Adrenaline Heal, Runes of Dolyak and Banner of Discipline Regeneration (-20% CD). I am build on healing and condition damage, and I rarely get downed (save the 1-shot kill abilities I fail to dodge at times). Be sure to grab Shouting Healing, +90 toughness with a shield and Defy Pain in case of oh-kittencenarios.

Swap out dolyaks (only 30hp/s) for something else (melandru, soldier or earth are good alternatives) and it’s an excellent support warr.

I recently respecced from pure damage to a bit more survivability because of the higher lvl fractals and the extra need for some group support:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARTnkOk8YzDSBxEhAAfwKThi0HgL9gM0SD;TgAg0Cto2yslYLrMutkbB

Can’t play with PvP calc as accurately as ingame. I run with my Pow/vit/tough tankset, zerk weapon&amulet, emerald/beryl accessories. 26774 hp, around 1.5k toughness, 21% base crit chance that is bearable thanks to high fury uptime. Non crit damage took quite a dive, but 100b still hits 10-12k+ on crit in fractals. Shouts heal for around 1.3-1.4k per one.

I wouldn’t feel the need to use a high survivability set in any of the older dungeons, full zerk with a bit of balanced dps build works totally fine anywhere else. Get Pow/vit/tough armor for W3 though, full glass isn’t smart there.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Christ. Can I just show you what I mean in-game? Its hard to put it in words. I dunno add me in your tourny or something.

P.S You don’t have to blow everything to initiate.

P.S2 Who the hell said anything about the Toughness tree? I don’t even use that.

I know what you mean, I just have a different opinion&playstyle I guess.
I never stated my way is the only correct one, it’s just what works for me.

Endure pain/Balanced stance passive traits are in defense tree, that’s why I brought it up and to cover them both utility/traitwise.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Balanced Stance and Endure Pain guarantees you can live long enough do anything after initiating. And please tell me if you actually tried this set-up.

Every warrior carries Balanced stance, you don’t leave home without it. If you blow your two utilities when engaging you’re doing it wrong. Fact.

Endure pain trait is useless since the nerf to 3secs and having to go 30 to defense tree (also refer to my previous posts about the “Balanced GS” spec, I thought the build setup would be obvious to what traits are used). It only acts as a little crutch to let you live a few secs when focused, none if CC’d and pumped up with conditions.
In addition Last stand is buggy with the internal CD and not reliable from that traittree, so not really a wise investment.

Sacrificing a utility slot that could be used for extra CC/stunbreak/condition cleanse for a high CD short lasting invulnerability that doesn’t stop conditions and is CC’able when used alone is again not a smart move. If you want a panic button damage mitigation you grab a shield. Endure pain only works in a close call 1v1 situations, but blowing a long CD and kittening yourself for the next fight is not worth it. Even more if that invulnerability is easily countered by stealth or heavy cc or kiting.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Long Bow is situational if you have a good Necro who times epidemic well. Of course burning shouldn’t be your only condition if you’re doing Long Bow. Bleed + Confusion is a counter-pick for classes that don’t do well vs. chain CC and bleed stacking.

Also.. stun-break baiting as a roamer you say? Never heard of Mace + GS/AxeMace/Rifle before? Sure it doesn’t reach targets well but so what? The comps, incentive, plays, and the possibilities are there. You’re going to ask what is Warrior’s role as a roamer. Obviously an initiator, easily. If you haven’t figured that out then I don’t know what to say to you.

Also.. stun-break baiting as a roamer you say? Never heard of Mace + GS/AxeMace/Rifle before? Sure it doesn’t reach targets well but so what? The comps, incentive, plays, and the possibilities are there. You’re going to ask what is Warrior’s role as a roamer. Obviously an initiator, easily. If you haven’t figured that out then I don’t know what to say to you.Like if you honestly believe Warriors hurt team compositions then you are god wrong. It isn’t exactly hard to make this class useful. And I just don’t buy it, you spent that much time on Warrior and you haven’t figured out how?

Do a bit of editing, hurts to read a bit. If you wanted to suggest going mace+shield or axe+mace for the extra stuns/kd’s for GS combo then read up a bit about the builds I’ve used. Axe+mace/mace+shield combo is preferred for the shared damage traits. :P
Axe still melts people with frenzy.

As I’ve noticed with your posts, then I’ll just say that you don’t have to get to a personal level like always. I didn’t say it hurts team composition, warriors have their different role as roamer, but usually thief/mesmer can fill more roamer roles and bring more utility to the table.

I disagree with your view of a roamer, in my opinion roamers should not be the mass fight initiator. That equals you getting focused and killed. Your role is either purely cleaning up a point in a 1v1 or most likely in warr’s case you rotate between points, help and keep pressure where it’s is needed and pick off key targets and move along.

@Deathspike: Warr’s can’t condition, here meet my friends: condi engy, condi mesmer and condi necro. :/

Schwahrheit.4203:

I hate giving out hints but the true way to play Warrior is mastering Long Bow, Rifle, Mace, Sword, and GS. The true problem however as to why Warrior isn’t cutting it lies within what I just said. You won’t figure out the true problem either if you actually didn’t try to get good with bleed + confusion builds or landing HB without bulls charge.

Longbow in pvp, seriously?
I’ve been playing warrior since BWE1, I spent all the betas pvping, I have around 900h in PvE and I’ve been casually doing free tpvp and some hotjoins for the past 2 months. I’ve tried numerous builds in pvp and I carry loads of different weapons with me in PvE/W3. I’d say I have quite a good understanding of the class and good experience with it in all areas.

Warrior bleed builds have been useless since BWE2-BWE3, rifle/swords shoutbuild gimmick only worked in pvp in BWE3, when every 2nd warrior wasn’t running shouts in PvE/W3 and people didn’t bother to carry condition removals with them.

Axe+mace/mace or sword+shield works wonderfully in hotjoin and is a strong build, but in tournas, we’re outperformed by other classes who do powerbuilds better. Mobility and AoE options is awful when choosing mace+shield for the CC chain/confusion instead of sword+shield and you’ll feel very useless and easily kited in every situation that doesn’t involve you sitting on a point with a true bunker. Great counter against any kind of thieves though. Easily killed when focused though.

Formerly popular balanced GS builds (20/0/30/0/20 for example) lack in tournas from both spectrums (damage vs survivability). Again other professions fill those roles better going more survivability is just not worth it, less damage for a bit more seconds being alive. Getting a knight jewel or a variation in runes does that job better.

Reality is, currently a warrior has two viable roles in pvp, either a powerbuild who is being babysitted by other bunkers and does a bit of lockdown to targets (either by hammer or mace+shield), that is not so needed in the current meta or the purest and most extreme glass gs/axe+shield for pure burst/roamer duty. Though the roamer role is outperformed by thieves and mesmers since warrior needs a lot more stunbreak baiting and constant pressure to pull off his burst, unless heavily carried by his team. Spend a bit of time playing roamer as either a thief or mesmer and you’ll know what I’m talking about.

But that doesn’t mean I’m thinking of dropping my warrior, I chose this as my main months ago and I plan to stick with it. I’ve accepted that we just have to push a bit harder than others.

Besides, warrior is very strong in any other area that doesn’t concern competitive environment.

True that Sonnet, but that is caused by the lack of viable options warriors have in pvp. We are pretty much forced to be the one trick pony and we have to bait the opponents so hard to use that trick.

All this is from a pure PvE/W3 standpoint, tPvP is very limited for us.

You can go either pure powerbuild with high toughness and a high steady damage weapon, it has low crit but good survivability and decent damage or glasscannon build with power/prec/crit gear or a balance between those two.
Not counting condition builds atm.

Ranger pets will become pretty useless “tanks” in later lvls.

FYI sword is mainly a mobility/condition damage weapon. Commonly people use GS or MH Axe for melee damage, rifle or lbow as 2ndary ranged set and hammer or mace for CC.

Good utility weaponsets:
High mobility – sword+warhorn, gs
High AoE – gs or axe&axe/lbow
High single target – gs or axe&offhand/rifle
High CC – hammer/mace+shield

Common builds and a lot of variations of those (copy-paste link if you get “bad link”):
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARUjkOJvNP6OMxBAjiiA68gKmaSpot6A;ToAg0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1soYAB

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAneSnkOk8YzDSBxEhAAfwKThi0HgL9gM0SD;ToAA1CtoyyklILbWuskZtoYAB

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARTjkOJvNP6OMxBAkCrqyooIgUPaDO5A;ToAg0Cto4ywlgLbNOuk1soYAB

Warrior: 2 Full sets+jewelry, gbackpack, 11 weapons
Necro: Full set, 4 weapons

Enough potential exotics to gear up my current alt with suitable stats.

But won’t matter anyways since I’ll have to start switching out my current gear to ascended on warr now. I’ll get it and if needed grind for it, just utterly disappointed for losing so much time/g on current gear, that is all. Oh right, gonna need some g for fine transmute stones to keep my current look. :/

Pff, stop trying to bunker condition builds, kill it with raw power. Glass GS or axe+mace powerbuild will rip through unicorns with ease.
That type of thief has high toughness, but is still a squishy due to very-very low hp.
Stay mobile, dodge his dancing and make him waste his iniative, if you have a shield use it to block his spam DB que and then stun and retaliate. Unicorn build has horrible mobility and enough CC will kill it. You can dodge through the caltrops without getting conditions. Don’t panic with condi removes, let him do his dance and then cleanse. If you want a direct counter then mending, shake it off, signet of stamina. Grab a high auto attack or bursty weapon and stun+frenzy them after they’ve used their dance.

GS is good against that type of build or thieves general, because it has a lot of capclosers and whirlwind is amazing against shadow refuge/evading/burst combo finisher. Time your skills to his rhythm. Bait out his stunbreaks and then burst him hard.

Never stop attacking or moving when he stealths. You can check if you tagged something from the combat log.

In my opinion that’s a horrible build for 1v1 and it’s only suitable for trolling or getting some bleed stacks going in team fights.

Copy-paste the link, gw2 forum has a problem with long links.

Try something like this maybe.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAnZTjkOJvNP6OMxBA8BrMPKKoh0MaDOA;TsAg0Cto2yslYLrRutkbtoYMyECA

(This is after a 4-beer build and in theory should be viable, I’ve ran axe+mace in pvp, but as a total power/tank build)

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