Guild Wars 2

Mystogan.4157:

Can i join? im on devonas currently working on my first 80 acc… I’m at 53 should be there soon though im in a random guild right now…. no ones active though =/

Of course, I’ll send you a PM with some helpful information to get you invited ingame.

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

We’ve finally found some real competition in WvW so come join us for some fun!

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Rin.1046:

The solution is really simple. When you destealth, you cannot restealth for 3-4 seconds, regardless of whether you attack or not. ANY destealth applies the debuff and perhaps the debuff could be increased by a second or two, if it’s still an issue. Calling for the removal of stealth (a core mechanic of the thief) is just so overboard it’s obserd.

I do not agree that stealth stomping should be removed, as it is not that much different from stability stomping. But seeing as how stealth can be applied so frequently by the thief, something should be done to fix it that does not effect the mesmer. The only solution to this is to make Cloak & Dagger only work on targets that are not downed. That way the theif has to pop a utility skill to accomplish this, just like he mesmer does.

Best solution so far. I agree the only real way to handle thieves popping in and out of stealth is to add a debuff that blocks stealth for a moment.

It’s part of the game mechanics that swords only offer main hand. I know at least for thief if we could dual wield swords we’d be the best multi-target melee class in game. Imagine hitting 3-6 targets with just your auto attack, yummy.

Polaritie.4851:

There’s a cap on siege deployed at a time (Because lets face it, 20 arrow carts beats almost anything).

Without it despawning, you’d end up with people being unable to deploy anything. To say nothing of the issues with people trolling by dropping rams in the middle of nowhere.

This is why they have the timer. Nothing annoys me more then running through a forest and seeing a random flame ram by a tree. Next time don’t waste your time and money since you need defenders to work siege anyway. Who knows, these places your putting siege on are probably trading hands a few times as servers assault them. It may not even be despawn related.

We’re working hard on getting our new website in place, I’ll post a link here once we have a little more to show then just a forum.

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Last night was amazing. We not only routed numbers twice our size multiple times but we smashed both enemy servers as they were sieging each other. Overall an epic night even with our rocky start. We’re getting a good fight out of our enemies this week.

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

Vail.1065:

I don’t see why people are so against ground mounts. Mounts bring a whole new dimension to an MMO. Who doesn’t like to collect cool looking mounts? Gives you something to work towards, something to look forward to. And can also bring Anet some money with buyable mounts that just look unique.

I would agree with the way pvp is in this game I would not have mounts for in those instances. I haven’t tried WvW yet so I dunno about that.

This world is huge and beautiful… But again, huge. Waypoints are a nice option but can really get in the way of the mmo feeling.

I for one love mounts, I love collecting them too. I hope they come up with lots of cool and unique creatures, not just horses.

I personally dont have much problem with flying mounts but I’d be fine never seeing them in this game.

Pretty much my feeing in regards to WPs. It makes things to easy sometimes and I often find myself walking through LA rather then porting around. We have mini pets to collect so why not mounts? Give them 25% move speed increase or nothing at all, I’m willing to take cosmetic mounts rather then nothing.

Good day,

I run an actively casual guild on Devona’s Rest and we’re always looking for more players interested in joining our ranks. We have weekly events, such as dungeon runs and WvW, but we’re also the spontaneous type that will decide on the hour to do something. We’re very patient and all adults who are just interested in a fun gaming experience.

You can find our guild posting here:
The Burning Eden [TBE]

You can always contact us in game if you’d rather have a conversation and get a better feel for what our guild is about. Feel free to add me to your friend list as I’m on every evening.

~Meri Shadows

mavet.3047:

@kenshinakh,
Who knows, perhaps a lot of the gaming companies are in league with the gold farmers and split the profits??? Would explain a lot of the apathy that goes on…

I’ve always figured the asian MMOs own their own gold selling companies, thus creating a large ring of money laundering for the gaming mafia which NCSoft presides over….just kidding NC…or am I?

Third this idea. Once again when it comes to the guild system I’m very curious to see the transcripts of that meeting on what is needed.

Runiir.6425:

Raine Akrune.8416:

Runiir.6425:

Raine Akrune.8416:

Runiir.6425:

Thieves don’t need stealth. Honestly…take every stealth off your bar, ALL of them. Now go fight. I destroy people just as easily without stealth as with it. It truly and honestly is not needed. Even pve…it is not needed.

The GW1 assassin also proved they can balance things without stealth.

If stealth is so loved that people cannot concieve of a game without stealth, fine. You get hit in stealth and you become an outline/blur that is now targetable. Get rid of condition removal from stealth (the heal and the trait) to remove the griefer skills from the class. The thief should be wholly dependant upon others for their condition removal, all classes need a few crutches and this should be the thief’s lacking point, that once they get a bunch of condition stacks they have to kill the person and hope, or run.

I’m not even raging about it…as an engineer I find the flamethrower is perfectly suited to turning thieves into piles of charred flesh.

So the thief loses stealth, condition removal, regen healing, and still has the lowest health pool? What’s with the want to nerf thieves to the point no one will play one?

People would still play them.
I would still play mine.

They are thieves, they should be totaly reliant on others for condition removal, there is no reasonf or them to be able to do it. They are thieves, stealing what they can. You NEED condition removal? Make a trait so you remove a single condition when you successfully steal from something then.

Go to GW1 and play assassins ometime…it’s a thief without stealth. You don’t need it to be successful, already in GW2 the thief class is fine without stealth (yes you can build to not have stealth).

I played GW1 and I have a Sin. I found the class to be over powered and boring since an Assassin should strike without warning. Instead I’m just running around in plain view. If you want to talk naming semantics then lets ask ANet to switch the names between the two games. My thief will be known as an assassin and the question of it’s ability to use stealth will be over.

My thief is not built for multiple stealths, I only have my main and SR as a group stealth. If you want to complain about a thief being able to move in and out of stealth then look at the extra options that allow it rather then the core mechanics the class is built on. Change trait abilities or weapon skills, not something that’s constant across our class like our main stealth.

Stealth is not the CORE mechanic of the thief.
Initiative and the ability to steal a skill from an enemy are the CORE of the class. Stealth is just a tak-on. It is easily removed or replaced without altering the core of the class.

And I beg to differ…

Stealth is the core mechanic for thieves to move in and out of combat on THEIR terms. Before you come at me with dodging, evade skills, and using shadow step those only break combat for the moment. Stealth is the way to remove yourself from a situation you otherwise had no ability to.

The same way mesmers play mind games with their clones a core mechanic of the thief is the mind games we play by jumping around using our stealth and shadow step abilities. Stealth IS a core mechanic.

Second the bump since it is a must for guilds to run smoothly.

Could be a nice addition to the cooking craft if anything.

Runiir.6425:

Raine Akrune.8416:

Runiir.6425:

Thieves don’t need stealth. Honestly…take every stealth off your bar, ALL of them. Now go fight. I destroy people just as easily without stealth as with it. It truly and honestly is not needed. Even pve…it is not needed.

The GW1 assassin also proved they can balance things without stealth.

If stealth is so loved that people cannot concieve of a game without stealth, fine. You get hit in stealth and you become an outline/blur that is now targetable. Get rid of condition removal from stealth (the heal and the trait) to remove the griefer skills from the class. The thief should be wholly dependant upon others for their condition removal, all classes need a few crutches and this should be the thief’s lacking point, that once they get a bunch of condition stacks they have to kill the person and hope, or run.

I’m not even raging about it…as an engineer I find the flamethrower is perfectly suited to turning thieves into piles of charred flesh.

So the thief loses stealth, condition removal, regen healing, and still has the lowest health pool? What’s with the want to nerf thieves to the point no one will play one?

People would still play them.
I would still play mine.

They are thieves, they should be totaly reliant on others for condition removal, there is no reasonf or them to be able to do it. They are thieves, stealing what they can. You NEED condition removal? Make a trait so you remove a single condition when you successfully steal from something then.

Go to GW1 and play assassins ometime…it’s a thief without stealth. You don’t need it to be successful, already in GW2 the thief class is fine without stealth (yes you can build to not have stealth).

I played GW1 and I have a Sin. I found the class to be over powered and boring since an Assassin should strike without warning. Instead I’m just running around in plain view. If you want to talk naming semantics then lets ask ANet to switch the names between the two games. My thief will be known as an assassin and the question of it’s ability to use stealth will be over.

My thief is not built for multiple stealths, I only have my main and SR as a group stealth. If you want to complain about a thief being able to move in and out of stealth then look at the extra options that allow it rather then the core mechanics the class is built on. Change trait abilities or weapon skills, not something that’s constant across our class like our main stealth.

Fair warning, trolls incoming.

This will forever be a heated topic for some odd reason and while I understand not wanting to have players moving 100% faster due to the horse they bought or w/e it could always be banned from use in WvW and sPvP.

I don’t care how dumb of a mount system would be incorporated, even one that gives no extra run speed, so long as I get my Asuran a moa to ride on.

Also, if someone can spend 100g in game and become a WvW Commander just like that then why can’t we have a designated mode of land travel for the areas that are not WP friendly?

urinfamousr.7631:

Soeki.9643:

Let’s say I accept your argument (though you forgot to tell us why it should be removed). Please suggest some new traits/skills that replace the current ones associated with the stealth mechanic.

thieves in AION can stealth and are quick killers without havin to pop stealth every 4 sec… so it can be done properly

Well I’m glad we’re playing AION and every thief plays their class with the same exact cookie cutter build…oh wait. Maybe use a successful MMO for a comparison, not one that crashed and burned within months of being introduced to the real MMO market.

Runiir.6425:

Thieves don’t need stealth. Honestly…take every stealth off your bar, ALL of them. Now go fight. I destroy people just as easily without stealth as with it. It truly and honestly is not needed. Even pve…it is not needed.

The GW1 assassin also proved they can balance things without stealth.

If stealth is so loved that people cannot concieve of a game without stealth, fine. You get hit in stealth and you become an outline/blur that is now targetable. Get rid of condition removal from stealth (the heal and the trait) to remove the griefer skills from the class. The thief should be wholly dependant upon others for their condition removal, all classes need a few crutches and this should be the thief’s lacking point, that once they get a bunch of condition stacks they have to kill the person and hope, or run.

I’m not even raging about it…as an engineer I find the flamethrower is perfectly suited to turning thieves into piles of charred flesh.

So the thief loses stealth, condition removal, regen healing, and still has the lowest health pool? What’s with the want to nerf thieves to the point no one will play one?