Guild Wars 2

Atherakhia.4086:

Rawr.5930:

First, thieves useless in wvw?

Is this some kind of joke?

Thief meet yak.

Dead yak.

Against a proper good thief, even 5 escorts may not be enough.

That said, as much as stealth is broken, thieves really are pigeonholed into stealth heavy builds kitten much of the class synergy is built around stealth, it’s more a blame the game not the player situation.

I don’t know if I’m biased because my other characters are an Ele and Ranger, but I’ve never had a problem killing yaks or taking camps solo. ever.

And even if you had a point, do you really expect people to be proud that they play a MMO with large scale warfare and sieging and all they do is kill cows all day and attack a gate on an unguarded keep? These are tasks you send the uplevels to do. This isn’t something you’d design a class’ sole role in groups to be.

A decent server isnt going to have unguarded yaks or camps……

Atherakhia.4086:

Rawr.5930:

People will defend their crutches to the death when their egos depend on it.

Until it hits anet in the pocketbook they arent going to bother.

When thieves complain about no roamers and endless zerging, they only need to look at themselves.

And the whole spiel about useless in wvw?

What an utter load of tripe, supply is incredibly important in wvw, and there is NO class better at sniping yaks than thieves.

A really good thief can only be stopped by an excess of 5 players or in many cases more, this is exacerbated by the plethora of neutral and AMBIENT mobs near yak paths.

It’s utterly ridiculous.

How can a class be worse at killing yaks… You target a yak, you attack. If you kill the yak the escorts despawn and every class can soak up the damage. But even if they can’t, Rangers and Mesmers are still infinitely better at taking camps.

And do you really expect players that play a game built around siege warfare to get enjoyment out of killing cows and triggering swords on unguarded keeps as their sole value to a group in this game?

I understand people hate thieves, but don’t be naive…

Do you even wvw?

Yaks are incredibly important, and thieves are the best class at sniping them bar none.

On one hand you have complaints about thieves not being useful in wvw, but when that argument is invalidated, the counter argument to that is that yak sniping is boring?

Really?

Yaks are possibly the most important objectives in wvw at any decent level of play.

1 decent thief can effectively shut down upgrades to any keep in the game, 3 can shut down supply on a map, requiring at least 5 human players on each yak to try and stop him/them and that isnt OP or valuable to the overall effort?

It’s not about killing the thief, it’s about stopping them taking the yaks.

I do not main a thief, but i do have one, and im the first to admit im a terribad thief, but even then i can reliably snipe yaks with 3 or more human escorts, only really having problems with 5 or more escorts and the npc guards.

Thieves are by NO MEANS useless in wvw, that argument exhibits a very shallow understanding of the overall meta.

First, thieves useless in wvw?

Is this some kind of joke?

Thief meet yak.

Dead yak.

Against a proper good thief, even 5 escorts may not be enough.

That said, as much as stealth is broken, thieves really are pigeonholed into stealth heavy builds kitten much of the class synergy is built around stealth, it’s more a blame the game not the player situation.

People will defend their crutches to the death when their egos depend on it.

Until it hits anet in the pocketbook they arent going to bother.

When thieves complain about no roamers and endless zerging, they only need to look at themselves.

And the whole spiel about useless in wvw?

What an utter load of tripe, supply is incredibly important in wvw, and there is NO class better at sniping yaks than thieves.

A really good thief can only be stopped by an excess of 5 players or in many cases more, this is exacerbated by the plethora of neutral and AMBIENT mobs near yak paths.

It’s utterly ridiculous.

Actinotus.6410:

Jereme.1840:

Actinotus.6410:

Let’s see here. this weeks match up
DB 1,927,906
MAG 1,760,681
YB 1,560,784

Mag always has to face someone with 1,900,000 or higher week after week , which usually outnumbers us 3-1 at the least.

This is what makes it funnier

TC 2,025,177
SOS 1,747,918
FA 1,867,443

The way I see it it should be TC/FA/DB = SOS/MAG/YB

The system is horrible.

This score is all about coverage. Score in NA “T1” is pretty close because all three can cover most maps most of the time. TC will likely win the current “T2” match because they have more people playing in WvW and can cover more borderlands with more people.

SoS is getting used to playing against bigger numbers recently and we have some smart commanders who know exactly how to counter some of these zergs and mess with their heads a bit.

Last night in EB it was pretty awesome between SoS FA and TC. Those crazy battles (even those nasty surprises from TC).

When you play DB 5-6 weeks then you will understand lol

We’ve played TC for five weeks I think and DB for one. TC is stronger than DB. DB does the PvD with the asian-timezone people (a bit like JQ with FOO back when we were in T1).

The only way these population/score imbalances are going to change is for players to destack to other servers to spread the population, and/or Anet impose some reduced caps to player numbers per map (which could include taking out or remaking the borderland maps).

The last matchup TC beat DB by over 100000 and there seems to be complaints coming from TC about the boredom coming from imbalances so maybe the movement will come out of TC (as I really can’t see any of the NA top three servers imploding).

Wishing implosion on your competition is classy as always.

Just another reason why everyone loves you.

Andy.9137:

Hickeroar.9734:

Andy.9137:

Hickeroar.9734:

Andy.9137:

You’re being very unreasonable. There isn’t an report option for people glitching/exploiting and also how the heck is he supposed to know what their intentions are when people are suddenly on the other side of the gate?

For all he knew the guy running up the stairs could have been a mesmer with an entrance portal already set up. Do not make him the bad guy here, you’re straying from the point. You can’t report all the right people, it all literally happened in just over a minute and whoever gets reported that did nothing wrong has nothing to worry about.

He reported an EP necro who accidentally glitched in, then ran straight up the stairs and over the wall.

The reporting happened before the portal was opened. The portal was opened by an unguilded TC “Recruit.”

Unlike you watching the video over and over again so you can analyze everything, he did not have that luxury because it was happening in real time. I can be hard to tell what is going on and who is doing what, so if I were you I would drop your argument because it is just silly.

Jerrifers.

what?

Ever wonder how a T3 flips with no rams, catas, trebs or golems?

That’s what.

To be fair it’s just 2 posters who wont let this go, and continue to paint broad generalizations and fling poop.

Well done.

What i havent seen is any kind of remorse or integrity about glitching into green towers from blue.

Contrast that with what green cmdrs have attempted to apologise for a single instance, as opposed to multiple examples of mischief from blue.

Instead of coming onto the forums and kittening and moaning about Jerrifer’s the typical green response was a shrug and an eyeroll, but i suppose some egos need an excuse why they are better and others always have to “cheat” to win.

When throwing stones, dont live in a glass house.

Jerrifer’s.

Imnotwinninghavetonerfotherseeverplzthx.

The moment people stop looking at the almost completely meaningless cumulative ppt, and concentrate on having fun, the less qq on the forums

The moment people stop looking at the almost completely meaningless cumulative ppt, and concentrate on having fun, the less qq on the forums

Half this thread is 1 dude with his tin foil on full….

Just play and have some fun, why is it so impt to tar and feather, speculate on anecdotal evidence and as a result drive wedges between people?

Good luck and good fights all around, ignore the stupid scores and play for fun.

If you dont have enough to stack more than one map, stack that map and make the other servers pay.

Remove cumulative ppt from being visible in game.

Would help address the morale issues when “losing”, and half the battle is participation.

Fix that and you have a base for more contested matchups for longer

Nerf the other guy so Icanhazwinplsthx.

It’s a game.

If you aren’t having fun…

You’re doing it wrong.

Somebody has absolutely no idea what the op was about.

There should be a limit to keep lord banner rezing.

But, those insane chain rez outmanned banner fights are probably the most fun and exhilarating fights in the game.

Live a little, move on.

Play for fun.

Fun =/= winning.

Stack just one map if you only have numbers for one, since zergballing is the current meta.

Kinda ridiculous how there were no tears when people are doing the rolling but almost non stop whining when being rolled.

Wxp is complete bs anyways in it’s current implementation.

Grind 2 win just stinks, and especially penalises those who run alts.

If I ran only 1 class in gw2, id be bored out of my mind.

Well if it’s real.

Rangers got pooped on.

Rangers being smacked so heavily with the nerfhammer does make one ponder the veracity of said notes.

So much stupid.

Shazirah.8350:

Chris.3290:

I sometimes wonder if this is what happens when a bad mathematical experiment meets a bad psychological test.

I will say there is one thing of value in all this. Each server is learning what it’s made of, and knows who will be there when rockbottom hits.

Er, except for TC. I’m busy playing Dishonored. I think I’ll go back to Civ 5 once I’m done with this though. Hmm. Maybe I’ll read…. a book.

Matchups like this one tend to bring out the worse in TC, we get lazy, and the misfits come out to pull some unsavory crap.

I’m sure there will be more than a little schadenfreude when TC gets ROFLSTOMPED by 2 T1s next week, if the typical patterns hold true to form.

Spawn camping is not ok and not fun for those on the receiving end.

But it’s one thing to have 3 exits camped with excessive siege and another to have a few misfits throw down a ballista and mess around.

On the whole as a server, spawn camping in any form is strongly discouraged in Map/Team, but we cannot CONTROL what anyone does.

There’s a HUGE difference between something that’s stupid and spur of the moment and an organized attempt to grief.

Wow that went downhill fast.

LOL.

This is going to be interesting.

It’s ONE guy who cant help himself dont be baited.

The entire tenor of the thread has been derailed because someone needs to come and make backhanded compliments by the bucketload.

YES, NOBODY should be telling what ANYONE else SHOULD be doing.

But, sometimes people like to be helpful and perceive themselves to be nice about it, unfortunately in the medium of a forum post, often the message can be misconstrued as condescending and arrogant.

It’s one thing to for some to offer suggestions borne of good intentions but perhaps delivered suboptimally, but entirely another to routinely bash another server for their playstyle and “poor” players.

Statistically, it’s extremely likely the distribution of player skill is fairly similar between ALL servers T1-8 (regardless of how tiers are irrelevant now), but if it floats your boat to only want to look at a subset of the data and draw conclusions, go right ahead.

Furthermore, “losing”?

It doesnt matter a whit anyways…..

Just chill and have some fun.

bravoart.5308:

SykkoB.9465:

to many ppl think like this hard match PVE TIME. Should look at it as a challenge and do ur best winning means nothing loosing also means nothing if ur having fun doing ur best

“Having fun doing your best” – Getting steamrolled. Ok great definition.

Honestly I wish CD could vote “No Contest” and get locked out of WvW but gain 5-10% server bonuses. It’d be a better strategy to deny the other servers loot and badge opportunities than anything else we’re doing.

So if 51% of a server votes to screw the other 49% of playtime it’s ok?

Aieo.2815:

PAGamer.4072:

Bunny! Bunnies everywhere!

I hope you don’t find bunnies like these!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

I got pwned by a bunni once.

True story.

T’was a sad day.

PAGamer.4072:

I saw a bunny. He was cute and fluffy. Had a little cotton tail. Saw him wiggle his nose, too.

Stopped to scratch his ears.

Was a Bunny. Bunny. Bunny!

A WvW Bunny! And he loves me. <3

Did you know bunnies count as kills for weaponmaster?

Bunnicide time.

Le Rooster.8715:

LOL at TC chest thumping, keep it classy i miss SBI.

Dunno which thread you are reading but there’s AT LEAST as many posts from Sos and CD thumping too.

Pot meet kettle?

This ALWAYS happens when it’s a blowout, coverage and populations are what it is, and when players feel control of a situation is outside their control they get frustrated, often they come onto the forums to vent.

And well you get the thread in the state it is.

I could go back and count the posts from each side which count as chest thumping, but frankly anyone who’s is objective and observant can see ALL sides are equally guilty.

Rose colored lenses and all i guess.

Shrug.

LOL.

All winning servers have players who have no skill and are just a horde.

I mean didnt everyone know that already?

Seriously, get over yourselves, nobody is really better or worse than each other and EVERYONE hides behind carts and ballistas (here’s looking at you Sos at umber 3 hours or so ago), it’s THE GAME.

Are your egos so brittle that “losing” actually means something?

What happened to having fun?

Please DO NOT reward “winning” servers disproportionately until populations are more balanced.

It will only further incentivize “stacking” and bandwagoning, it’s an extremely bad idea.

Furthermore, this is likely only going to breed further resentment from the smaller population servers, as coverage is not something they can control.

If you remove control from the players – they quit.

Sol.8341:

Let me give you another solution :

Let the weekly matchup draws be only possible for :

Tier 1 & 2 (Alpha League)

Tier 3 and 4 (Bravo League)

Tier 5 and 6 ( Charlie League)

Every 4 (or more ?) weeks, the top scorer of each league advances up one league and the top loser goes down. Sort of WULD but modified.

This means that a rank 7th server like Magumma gets to try Alpha League and if unsuccessful, goes down to Bravo League.

you do not need glicko to know that the 3 Tier 1 servers belong together in matchup. But they complain it was stale and they want to beat up new faces. Well, let them have their cake : feed them Tier 2 servers rather than Tier 3 and Tier 4.

That’s a good starting point for a discussion, if only anet would listen.

They do seem hell bent on using glicko tho, so good luck on getting them to listen.

Sol.8341:

Rawr.5930:

These aren’t suggestions to improve wvw for all, it’s for the benefit of a few.

Have you considered how lowering caps or imposing a tax would affect full servers with large pvx guild populations? .

Why would a WvW tax affect PvE population ? Does WXP give PvErs uber loot ? Outmanned buff is only present in WvW for your information. Anet can easily separate PvE population and WvW population.

What has WXP got to do with the enjoyment of pvx guilds who already have made a home and an investment on their home server?

By taxing participation in wvw – which pvx guilds enjoy, you are PUNISHING them for no reason other than being on the server.

Does that seem fair?

Will it encourage those players to stay in gw2 or go somewhere else?

Understand basic psychology, you DO NOT PUNISH people for taking actions deemed reasonable and rational post hoc.

Such silliness DESTROYS the playerbase.

Separating Pve and wvw is possibly an avenue to explore, BUT then wvw wouldnt be server based then, would it?

Sol.8341:

Rawr.5930:

They would be effectively excluded from wvw, and asking them to move and rebuild influence and membership just because some other players would prefer what they perceive to be more balanced matchups is extremely selfish..

Spoken like a true bandwagoner ! I guess WvWers are very concerned about guild influence. It’s so important and no 1 concern that guild leaders have sleepless nights deciding whether to lose all influence to go to restart on Tier 1 servers.

Again will the silly ad hominem?

Building upgrades for a guild is NOT trivial, especially now with guild missions and the commendations that come with it.

Would YOU move your guild just because ANET says so at the behest of someone else who isnt enjoying the game?

Do NOT expect others to suffer for your benefit.

Sol.8341:

Rawr.5930:

Aparr from a couple of blowouts the new matchup system does appear to be able to both distribute glicko by allowing what was previously very unusual – cross tier play.

When enough cross tier play has occurred a tightening of the variance in matchups should foster far more balanced matchups..

When the lower ranked servers realise that they are being used as punching bags for higher ranked servers, they will transfer to Tier 1 to enjoy never experiencing the possibility of facing servers one Tier above.

It’s already happened.

Deal with it.

Sol.8341:

Rawr.5930:

So far Sos and mags have just had really bad rolls, and it is a little unfair and unfortunate for them to bear the brunt of the volatility, but calling for PUNITIVE measures on higher population servers is selfish, short sighted and frankly – juvenile.

A little ? SoS and Mags players, please send your thoughts to this TC bandwagoner.

You’ve been unlucky?

So what?

The issue is that you are proposing something DESTRUCTIVE to the playerbase at large, and it’s just because YOU arent having fun, that’s the definition of selfish.

More tiers are balanced and becoming more balanced as glicko better reflects coverage and population, in the short term you do get the ridiculousness like the CD-TC-SoS matchup, but that SHOULD even out within a few weeks.

Instead of actually understanding the dynamics of the system you instead lash out with a poorly thought out “solution”, and name call when you cant address an argument.

Mike.4618:

The solution is glaringly obvious but it is also painful for some people. Restrict wvw numbers to even for all realms…

If you are on a stacked server you can choose between massive queues or going to play on regular servers and building them up. You know like the rest of us?

The lack of population controls is at the heart of the mismatches, in fact it is the only consideration in determining who wins. We regularly thrash the enemy zerg v zerg when only slightly outnumbered cos they’re not good! But later on we get 2-3 onto our 1 and of course we cannot win.

Force the stackers to endure huge queues and you may well filter the population out a bit, right now it is a disaster and wvw is complete garbage. Who knows with FORCED EVEN NUMBERS in wvw we might then get rankings that mean something???

Even numbers should be the way to go, but punishing players for actions they’ve already taken is just going to drive them away.

You think NA prime on SoR is enjoying the queues?

They had those queues for months, and the guilds havent moved?

Making the problem worse is more likely going to drive people from the game rather than having people “destack”.

Dont try to unfry an egg.

Matching servers with similar population profiles is the way to go rather than attempting to FORCE a population shift.

You’ll just engender a ill will and betrayal amongst the player population.

Sol.8341:

There are a few steps in problem solving :

Step 1 : Recognising there is an issue.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Server-Match-up-is-TERRIBLE/first

17,721 views cannot be wrong. It is not for benefit of a few, Mr Rawr of TC, tier 2 server, lucky matchups so far ? Look at Magumma, ranked 7th server, best of Tier 3 ? Do you think they enjoyed their 3 weeks so far ? Rank no 1, 2 and 3 server will always have normal conditions (matchup against each other) or better (matchup against lower servers). They will never experience getting trashed by a much superior server say there was a rank 0 server before rank 1. This also means that transfers to these 3 servers will keep continue because GW2 is a game and bigger zerg = win win win. Ultimately, it will affect everyone WvW or PvE players on these 3 servers it is overloaded. The population gap between Tier 1 and 2 will also increase because there is no stopping transfers.

Lol, really?

You’ve address nothing of the content of my post, instead attempting to paint me as a bandwagoner?

Resorting to a needless ad hominem is such a tired cliche.

First, number of views is meaningless, cat videos are amongst the most viewed on youtube.

You dont keep players playing by punishing them for actions they have already taken, it’s as simple as that.

Sol.8341:

Bandwagoners have the most reason to oppose a tax since they spent a large amount of gems to enjoy zerging behind the actual WvW players to earn easy WXP / rank and level up low characters. By imposing tax on WXP gains to very low on high WvW population, you separate the bandwagoners and the actual WvWers that care more about fights than ranks. Fairweather bandwagoners will transfer off servers quickly if there was a -80% WXP gains compared to low population servers and serious WvWers enjoy shorter queues and less frustration.

To appease the bandwagoners, just give a period of free transfers for higher ranked servers to lower ranked. Say a Magumma bear (rank 7) wants to jump ship to become a Yak ( rank, it is free.

Step 4 : Finetune the changes.

E.g. -80% WXP no effect ? Fix it to -150% etc.
Or -80% WXP caused a ghost server ? Fix it to -50%.

There are 24 NA servers. If by design, WvW is balanced for High WvW population, then Full WvW population = penalty and Low WvW population = buff.

If no action is taken, 3 to 6 (Tier 1 and 2) servers will continue to swell with WvW transfers at the expense of 24 – 6 = 18 servers. That is a lot of hardware capacity wasted.

A silly suggestion like this is only going to drive players away from the game, so unless you want to have 24 small pop servers go right ahead promoting what is beneficial only to the few, and not the many.

Like it or not there are more bandwagoners than there are people like you, and they pay the bills.

On principle i agree that matching servers based on coverage and populations is the way to go, but attempting to “balance” coverage thru punitive measures is almost certainly counterproductive and destructive.

mikefmc.5961:

Rawr.5930:

mikefmc.5961:

One post from devs on this issue…really? You have a decent portion of the games community upset and we get a tiny response pretty much saying oh well deal with it were not changing anything right now. Most mmos tend to hotfix or patch stuff thats wrong with their games. I dont know if i can speak for everyone here but i can say that wvw is literally the only reason i play this game. dont force me to go somewhere else.

Because 5/8 tiers are in decent matches, and Mags frankly has just been REALLY unlucky?

The RNG gods cant possibly have it in for you guys a fourth time right?

I find it hard to believe that it is only affecting 3 tiers either way thats still an issue.. a system that makes wvw almost unplayable for 3 weeks at a time is ok for you?

The short term volatility is expected due to the size of the variable factor, Devon Carter already posted on this that as glicko gaps narrow and tiers become more balanced LESS variance will the goal.

Mags thus far has just had REALLY CRAPPY LUCK.

But the issue isnt systemic, you guys just have REALLY CRAPPY LUCK.

Mattimeo.2146:

Rawr.5930:

Mattimeo.2146:

solution: we actually play Maguuma :p

Throw in FA, CD or any of the mob currently fighting in t4 and it’s got the potential to be quite a nice match.

Dont underestimate FA, their fairweather pop is rather large too, if they build up a head of steam early on, they can steamroll.

Also, they have a strong oceanic which counters yours.

But it would be an interesting regardless and likely more balanced than this current match.

‘Quite a nice match’ with FA conditional on SoS and Mag working together well enough (and playing to each others coverage strengths) to stop FA building up that fairweather momentum over the weekend :p

Of course, that might not even be possible, but it would be fun to attempt at least.

Haha yeah.

But let’s just say i have a feeling Mags wont be cooperative or enjoying that matchup heh.

Perhaps Ehmry Bay?

mikefmc.5961:

One post from devs on this issue…really? You have a decent portion of the games community upset and we get a tiny response pretty much saying oh well deal with it were not changing anything right now. Most mmos tend to hotfix or patch stuff thats wrong with their games. I dont know if i can speak for everyone here but i can say that wvw is literally the only reason i play this game. dont force me to go somewhere else.

Because 5/8 tiers are in decent matches, and Mags frankly has just been REALLY unlucky?

The RNG gods cant possibly have it in for you guys a fourth time right?

Mattimeo.2146:

solution: we actually play Maguuma :p

Throw in FA, CD or any of the mob currently fighting in t4 and it’s got the potential to be quite a nice match.

Dont underestimate FA, their fairweather pop is rather large too, if they build up a head of steam early on, they can steamroll.

Also, they have a strong oceanic which counters yours.

But it would be an interesting regardless and likely more balanced than this current match.

Le Rooster.8715:

JakobGW.5730:

Waffler.1257:

Quite funny to watch, but I can’t wait to get back to mid-tier fights where 5v5 to 10v10 fights are relatively common.

I hear ya there, brother.

I miss mid-tier.

Consistently winning by 100k in T4 does suggest SoS is too large for mid tier tho.

So punish the servers with large populations so you can “win”?

Get over yourself.

For guilds to leave they lose everything, buffs influence, the gem cost is high etc etc.

5 of 8 matchups in NA are pretty close, and anyone with a cursory understanding of wvw can see a shift in servers in 2 of the broken matchups would even things out quite nicely.

T8 is unfortunately quite borked.

But sure sacrifice potentially 7 of 8 balanced tiers, punish players for doing the rational thing (have fun), just because you arent having what YOU think is a balanced matchup.

Selfish much?

These aren’t suggestions to improve wvw for all, it’s for the benefit of a few.

Have you considered how lowering caps or imposing a tax would affect full servers with large pvx guild populations?

They would be effectively excluded from wvw, and asking them to move and rebuild influence and membership just because some other players would prefer what they perceive to be more balanced matchups is extremely selfish.

Aparr from a couple of blowouts the new matchup system does appear to be able to both distribute glicko by allowing what was previously very unusual – cross tier play.

When enough cross tier play has occurred a tightening of the variance in matchups should foster far more balanced matchups.

So far Sos and mags have just had really bad rolls, and it is a little unfair and unfortunate for them to bear the brunt of the volatility, but calling for PUNITIVE measures on higher population servers is selfish, short sighted and frankly – juvenile.

Forzani.2584:

Atrophied.8725:

I hope CD and SoS are taking this week to learn from TC so they can improve, not just sitting back and letting the score run out.
From what I saw while commanding on TCbl last night:
Wear more bunker-type gear. If you’re dying, add more pvt.
You stack well, CD, but then you don’t move! Mean, I appreciate you standing in all my AoEs, and your retal stacking kinda hurts, but it doesn’t win you fights.

lol yea, there are definitely things to learn from Trackstar Coast. Just watched as 20+ TC were pounding on LV doors. 10+ SoS show up and start buffing up outside keep on other side. TC takes off running…and leaves 2 or 3 behind to fend for themselves.

/golfclap

Edit: and you are correct. TC is generally more tanky. Whenever I find one solo I have to chase them across most of the map as they run away. They absorb a lot of damage.

another

/golfclap

You do realize that scenario plays out with EVERY server in the game, yes?

And EVERYONE on all the leet servers are pvp gods no?

Anecdotes like yours do nothing to but foster negativity.

Le Rooster.8715:

Rawr.5930:

Le Rooster.8715:

sinthetix.8765:

CD has loathed TC way before they took some of our guilds so it’s only natural CD is a little bitter/angry. TC has the reputation of being a little bit, uh, tryhardish.

To the guy that said the rest of the CD guilds should leave too…. why? CD has been doing great despite having lost a significant number of large WvW guilds over the past few months. We finished in first two weeks in a row. We hold our own and our morale has not been better.

To the guy that said we should learn something from TC… what? Buy out more guilds, have so many numbers that you outman the host server in the host server’s borderlands?

To be fair, good for you TC. I’m just saying don’t flatter yourself too much. You have a good thing going but don’t get kitteny.

Anyway, Crystal Desert 4lyfe. I love this server and I love the recent morale we’ve had the past few weeks.

We’re a T4 going against T2 since we did so well against the T3 servers last week. It’s a big jump for us but we’re going to hold in there.

We might not win this week, but it only matters that we fight the good fights.

Could not have said it better myself, people often wondered how the t4 thread was so respectful in contrast to the other threads and one of the main reasons was that all three servers had something similar, they went through an exodus of WvW guilds and came out strong. So there was mutual respect in that regards that the people/Wvwer’s/guilds we were vsing were strong enough to try to make the server work instead of just jumping ship when someone shows 20k g to help you transfer (blackholegate).

It’s largely reps from 1 server who have been stirring up stuff in this thread btw.

The meta is coverage, and will always favor the higher pop servers, it is what it is, doesnt make the smaller ones more or less skillful.

Although, numbers are a quality of itself, but to be blunt, zvz against T1 guilds is VERY different from T3/4.

Take what you will from it.

But what would you classify as a tier 1 guild anymore, many of the SoS guilds have plenty and plenty of experience in tier 1, more then the majority of TC guilds but you would classify those guilds on SoS as tier 3,4 material wheras you would classify a new recruit to say SoR as a tier 1 guild but it makes no difference. When we both vsed SoR last week yes the competition was tough, but as a guild we were still competitive occasionally wiping OCX,HIRE,IRON zergs maybe with more numbers maybe with less but to say that a tier 1 guild is superiour to a tier 4 guild just based on what server they are in is insulting to the many who decided to stick it out on SoS and CD to try to make it work. I would much rather have the guilds that are in SoS atm then MERC or ND again.

I knew you’d take it the wrong way, does everyone have such a thin skin?

Different does not mean better or worse.

Also, the zvz meta is constantly in flux, what was relevant before may not be now.

When numbers are even, apart from some exceptions the honest observer will say fights are usually won by the group who got the jump on the other, everyone likes to think they are special but most arent.

Sos has a larger oceanic pop than most, and it shows, TC has more pop and coverage in most other timezones and that shows too.

This gap play has allowed servers in tiers NOT T1 get soft frankly, T1 is 24/7 fights, with queues likely on ALL sides, servers win fights by having superior tactics, scouting, strategy etc.

In tiers below, most the ppt is decided by coverage.

That’s the difference.

Yes, the population should be spread.

But one should realise that PUNISHING players for doing what they deem the rational choice is just going to drive them from the game.

You’ll get alot of small pop servers in the end with this kind of harebrained initiative.

Le Rooster.8715:

sinthetix.8765:

CD has loathed TC way before they took some of our guilds so it’s only natural CD is a little bitter/angry. TC has the reputation of being a little bit, uh, tryhardish.

To the guy that said the rest of the CD guilds should leave too…. why? CD has been doing great despite having lost a significant number of large WvW guilds over the past few months. We finished in first two weeks in a row. We hold our own and our morale has not been better.

To the guy that said we should learn something from TC… what? Buy out more guilds, have so many numbers that you outman the host server in the host server’s borderlands?

To be fair, good for you TC. I’m just saying don’t flatter yourself too much. You have a good thing going but don’t get kitteny.

Anyway, Crystal Desert 4lyfe. I love this server and I love the recent morale we’ve had the past few weeks.

We’re a T4 going against T2 since we did so well against the T3 servers last week. It’s a big jump for us but we’re going to hold in there.

We might not win this week, but it only matters that we fight the good fights.

Could not have said it better myself, people often wondered how the t4 thread was so respectful in contrast to the other threads and one of the main reasons was that all three servers had something similar, they went through an exodus of WvW guilds and came out strong. So there was mutual respect in that regards that the people/Wvwer’s/guilds we were vsing were strong enough to try to make the server work instead of just jumping ship when someone shows 20k g to help you transfer (blackholegate).

It’s largely reps from 1 server who have been stirring up stuff in this thread btw.

The meta is coverage, and will always favor the higher pop servers, it is what it is, doesnt make the smaller ones more or less skillful.

Although, numbers are a quality of itself, but to be blunt, zvz against T1 guilds is VERY different from T3/4.

Take what you will from it.

Le Rooster.8715:

lol TC wrong week to actually go hard, where were these numbers last week?

I cant speak for all, but i know of many regulars who are taking the week off.

You’re seeing our fairweathers/map completionists etc… and there are alot of us lol.