Guild Wars 2

As the week draws to a close., thanks everyone for the fights.

It’s fantastic to be learning new things again, even as we sometimes forget the basics.

Go toast!

Jayne.9251:

I thought I’d post this mostly because I think you’d all find it amusing. This is the tiny “forward” group I saw on EU maps the other day. They were there to take out the oil and cannons ahead of the main zerg.

T1 NA sees similar zerg sizes.

Leger.3724:

SoR has the numbers at all times of day. It’s frustrating. They can put up a zerg in the BLs the middle of a weekday and TC (we) simply can’t.

Rawr’s numbers are wrong or for one map. Which is irrelevant because at times TC does control their entire BL, there are times where we can go into other BLs and EB and grab towers, keeps. To put it another way – when we get numbers on a map, we succeed – it’s rare that we have the numbers SoR does though.

It’s for 1 map, and the numbers are accurate.

/Supplyinfo for our stack and from comms with their cmdrs for their numbers.

Make the ranks account bound first.

Eleir.9325:

We stomped on FEAR and TYSM last night and the night before easily. SoR still had 20 more than we did. After we get through the wells you guys become glass.

It was not easy by any stretch.

Also, it’s likely a portion of SoR players were running alts, although not too many as i was seeing a fair number of “bronze invaders”.

The Zvz did start with TC having 20 less than SoR, but nearing the end the numbers actually swung in our favor with TC having about 80 and SoR dropping to 60, this trend continued for most of the night after.

We were getting rolled pretty convincingly by the well/hammer blast train pretty consistently throughout the matchup up until yesterday evening when adjustments were made after understanding how and why we were losing.

So NO TC hasnt been rolling SoR easy by any stretch, in fact the opposite was probably true until yesterday, and even then only 1 or 2 of our cmdrs have adapted.

We learn by fighting those better and adapt, not by chest thumping.

There’s one good thing about these new randomized matchups.

Threads are MUCH more civil.

Uh oh i jinxed it lol.

Learning so much thanks SoR and SoS.

/facepalm

I can safely say there’s a first time for everything i guess.

Is it like the butterfly effect?

What i learned is some servers fight regardless of the score, some dont.

Really fun this week, SoR is HUGE, but there are balanced fights to be found all around, just need to be mindful of the zerg round the corner (applies to ALL servers ofc).

Coverage and pop is what it is, but frankly nobody seriously cares about the score this week frankly, let’s just have some fun.

Shoutout to IRON, first time ive seen you guys, and you are awesome, very impressive, alot we can learn from you, from your retal zergs to your hammer train into wells, nice tactics.

SOS, so incredibly resilient for the least populated server, much respect.

You do realize PD is out and about no?

I’ve said it before and ill say it again.

REMOVE the cumulative score display ingame.

Will help alot with morale issues.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I dont blame the native DB for being so hostile. After all, the transfer guilds (CO and RE especially) came in and tried to “run the show” on the forums and play as a face for the server. I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole, but I am concerned about the dragonbrand community, given how healthy it was before they got transfers. I would stick with my current home for a while longer at the very least, myself, because the new matchup system is going to mix things up a bit, and a server move seems dangerous at this point.

Let’s stay out of this and leave the politics to others.

This thread is for RE and let’s just wish them the best.

Smc is a collossal liability anyways unless you have the overwhelming coverage to wp it.

Such a massive resource sink.

At risk of tooting our own horn, TC generally doesnt play to crush the opposition, if we think we are comfortable the foot comes of the pedal.

I mean no disrespect to the other servers in the matchup.

The quality of the fights have little relation to the ppt especially when numbers are fairly even.

Nice to see FA back in numbers we know you can field and it’s great to see SoS turn up regardless of the score, props.

Niim.9260:

I am not in favor of the idea because it means more people hiding behind walls and less people out there doing things, ie scouting.

I would rather see them as a form of siege that cannot be placed within towers/keeps and rather out in the map. In many ways it accomplishes the same thing while actually having some ‘risk’ to it.

I think there is value having it in or around towers, as the makitten mall enough as is.

Furthermore, it’s likely a tower would only have 1 set of “binos”, so unless the other players really just love towers there isnt all that much incentive for more than a skeleton crew to sentry anyways.

That said, open field observation posts are another possible direction this idea can be applied to.

More talk about stuff like this to improve wvw for ALL player types please!

Lanimal.6541:

One of the toasties made this suggestion regarding WvWvW

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/An-idea-for-sentrying-binoculars-telescopes/first#post2139472

What are you guys thoughts on this? I personally think its fantastic and adds a new dynamic to the game if it were ever implemented. Do post in that thread with your thoughts, we should try to keep good suggestions bumped up as much as possible.

It’s an awesome idea, more bumpage and visibility will hopefully bring it to ANET’s attention.

But who am i kidding lol.

Bumping the idea for visibility.

Excellent in helping engagement and increasing cooperation.

Lol DB’s SEA does NOT shirk a fight.

DB regularly ticked 400+ during SEA against TC and FA throughout the course of that matchup.

On the other hand NA just disappeared apart from AGG in the last 2 weeks of the matchup.

Hadan.2841:

Kreaven.3172:

lani.7431:

We’re bored. Can we come back to TC and FA?

Its Ironic… your pounding your opposition, but probably getting less bags

wait wait who gave them lootbags here!?!?

Guards, moas, wolves, harpies, wurm, spiders, yaks….

I should know, i farm them everyday!

Siege damage trait possibly?

Sup acs still do massive damage to siege.

This is going to sound a little hollow, but for all the “small” servers in this weeks matchups.

It’s about moral victories and glicko gain.

Just a shame there isnt an indication of glicko gain ingame to help validate their efforts in the face of ridiculous odds.

Arkard.3970:

Mayoken.9851:

So Dragonbrand was overall victorious?

The reason DB is the laughingstock of the top tiers is because of statements like this, especially after it’s performance these past few weeks.

Quite frankly, you were straight up the loser. FA placed above you these last two weeks despite losing two guilds, once of which was their top WvW guild. TC managed to embarass Dragonbrand again and again and again. Your WvW population has tanked these past weeks despite reaching full server status.

However, I guess your magnificent success being paired up against a Tier 3 and a Tier 5 server have allowed you to delude yourself again. Just stop. Seriously. It’s embarrassing.

DB’s core guilds have always been respectful and continue to bring it night after night regardless of how much their counterparts did or didnt show.

But i cant say the same for some of their new members.

Old school DB, the guys that dont give up, dont talk kitten and dont brag – massive respect.

Hadan.2841:

Rawr.5930:

lani.7431:

We’re bored. Can we come back to TC and FA?

Dont get lazy, if you slingshot to T1 on the backs of your 695 SEA, it’s gonna be a VERY dramatic swing.

But you know this already no?

Their SEA doesnt want t1 and lets be honest the last week their sea was so lackluster cause of actually having to fight people. 80% of their zerg consist of upscales looking for tht easy PvD exp. They must be loving this weeks matchup atm

I really like how DB’s SEA would turn up regardless of how they were doing, even back in T3 when they were being stomped.

It’s just ridiculous how the flexing is coming from their transfers who are just hiding behind their SEA.

Enough about DB, they arent even in our matchup, well till someone from over yonder decided to hop over here and flex.

lani.7431:

We’re bored. Can we come back to TC and FA?

Dont get lazy, if you slingshot to T1 on the backs of your 695 SEA, it’s gonna be a VERY dramatic swing.

But you know this already no?

Ghedoriah.4290:

To be honest, I’d be more insulted if you folks went easy on us.

I like the way you think

Props.

Mayoken.9851:

So Dragonbrand was overall victorious?

NNK, TFV, AT, GA ftw.

But you hear nary a peep from them, classy as always.

Considering the hilarity of having players from multiple servers on the same side and maps as evidenced by screenshots galore.

Is it possible ROF is just the temporary beneficiary of a completely borked player distribution algo that her opponents have the pleasure of being acquainted with?

I wouldn’t read too much into this week’s matchups, even less so the reset results considering the obvious implementation issues present.

Tenebrous.2451:

Rawr.5930:

I still think it’s best to NOT display cumulative totals for scores, just the current ppt.

Helps with morale and allows players to play for the NOW, increasing engagement.

NOTHING kills morale and participation like feeling your efforts are futile.

But it is easy to see the culmunative scores in game. Are you suggesting a change in the interface or the web page displaying the scores.

Yes, remove the cumulative total ppt display both ingame and on mos.millenium.

There may be an issue with regards to some players needing to know who “won” the matchup, especially in the previously static tier system.

However, with the new random factor in matchup pairings “winning” or for that matter “losing” a matchup is even less of a issue than it currently is.

I still think it’s best to NOT display cumulative totals for scores, just the current ppt.

Helps with morale and allows players to play for the NOW, increasing engagement.

NOTHING kills morale and participation like feeling your efforts are futile.

Aeonblade.8709:

Draygo.9473:

problem is for the T3 servers if they DONT crush the T7 server they will lose rating.

The old rating system is irrelevant now though, right?

Unfortunately, no.

Rating is used to determine matchups like before just with a randomized factor within certain bounds.

Should a higher rated server not perform against a much lower rated one, it is certain that server would lose rating, likely alot of it.

While not really a problem per se, but it will likely contribute to further volatility down the line as the underperforming (possibly deliberately tanking) server is matched against even weaker opposition in the future – will a roflstomp as the result.

For the health of global wvw scene, it is probably best not to have such skewed matchups as it likely demoralizes large portions of the casual playerbase.

And ultimately, the casuals are what keep GW2 running and free.

Arale.4207:

I hope that DB gets out of whatever is causing their lack of precipitation. Ark said it best in my opinion. I honestly feel that when you guys do come out in full fore, rallied behind your commanders, you can definitely snag a win from TC. It’d be a close fight, and anyones game but it would be either or. You guys always talk about community and what not. I hope whatever it is you are doing strengthens that to where people show up and defend your world, so that you may meet your next opponents on the battlefield like you met us a few weeks ago.

What is the chance of rain in DB next week?

Lol it’s going to be chaos in a few hours.

Good luck to all, may the RNG always be in your favor.

Arkanfel.8403:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Epic tier 2 battles of history!!!

TC vs FA vs DB!!!

Who won?
Who’s next?
TC decides!

Fixed that for ya ;p

Dont sell yourself short.

If DB can muster the same participation in the first 2 weeks of this matchup, if i were a betting man – my money would be on you.

Just ignore him.

An ego whose validation depends on the actions of thousands of his servermates and not his own, isnt worth your time.

Mmmmm minecraft………

So much sneakiness going on.

Pichu.5348:

TC and FA really need to end their truce already, it’s getting very old.

We are in the process of serving divorce papers.

Normality will resume shortly.

eithinan.9841:

Recruitment thread progression:
DB: Come join our community. we’re pretty cool.
Other servers esp. TC and FA: Db sucks they are full of jerks.
DB: no we’re pretty cool and proud of it.
Other servers: Wagon Brand, Wagon Brand!!!
DB: Come on, we made it to T2 without transfers.
Other servers: cricket, cricket…You got transfers we Hate you!!!
DB: but thats because we’re a pretty cool community.

and on, and on, and on…

Self serving much?

When did we call you jerks?

I dont think anyone has unequivocally branded DB as such, in fact alot of posts are about how much we RESPECT DB’s core, the same group that brought them to T2.

Face it, NOBODY likes a server that is perceived to be recruiting aggressively.

JQ got massive amounts of flack for it, so did TC and FA and KN.

However, once those servers were FULL, aggressive recruitment USUALLY stops.

Hickeroar.9734:

Rawr.5930:

WyldKat.4712:

The Goat.1940:

3) TC tries to recruit too so stop being a hypocrite

Nerf hippo precision!

Ok i give.

I dont get it.

Finger moon?

hypocrite

hippo crit

precision = crit chance.

Nerf hippo precision.

xD

Lol nice

WyldKat.4712:

The Goat.1940:

3) TC tries to recruit too so stop being a hypocrite

Nerf hippo precision!

Ok i give.

I dont get it.

Finger moon?

Usagi.4835:

nibbles.2408:

Wow that RE thread is causing so much drama it cannot be contained within one thread!

It can, except Goat felt like bringing the discussion here to let everyone know that I’m mentally unstable.

Busey has been lonely….

It’s over 9000!

(At the rate it’s going it may really get 9k views lol)

In all seriousness.

Population between the 3 servers isnt the issue, it’s participation.

3 weeks ago DB had MASSIVE participation, why that’s changed only you guys can answer.

Stacking to plug a lack of participation is self defeating in the long run, now that you are full, you need to get your guys out rather than stuff more bodies in.

The NNK cmdr knows what’s better for the long term imo.

My 2c, an opinion nothing more.

Did it have a slab of red meat in it?

It’s gotten wierd again….

Time to go hang out with Busey.

The Goat.1940:

Usagi.4835:

As if DB isn’t stacked enough already; if you care about balanced tier, FA should be the only server in Tier 2 that you’d consider. Stop asking people to move to DB. Meanwhile, FA has lost two of its more prominent guilds, both of which played during the NA timeslot.

3) TC tries to recruit too so stop being a hypocrite

I believe TC has stopped actively recruiting in the manner DB has once it hit full status.

RE hope you guys find a HOME, not where people want to use you most.

The most efficient and effective way to farm badges?

Camp in SMC, build yourself a superior arrow cart on the right spot.

Watch the loot bags flow.

Mister Mustard.7203:

Rawr.5930:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Rawr.5930:

Mayoken.9851:

Does TC have EU guilds or just massive pop that goes in from differen guilds as militia?

You’re full too mate.

Pop differences arent the driving force in the disparity.

Right. Remember the status quo:

DB hacks can only PvDoor during SEA time.

TC / FA clear the map in EU time because of amazing skills.

Population =/= Coverage.

DB’s SEA being so massive just doesnt leave very much pop space for other time zones.

We all work with the same population, but different coverages, just happens that SEA/Oceanic is the most “valuable” slot to have overwhelming numbers in.

EDIT: Currently both TC and DB are FULL, so population wise there really shouldnt be too large a disparity if any, you have the bodies but they just arent showing – evidence is FA, at very high but seemly having more participation.

In the original context, I think he was asking about what you would call EU coverage, not total server population. Thus, I took your response as saying that the point disparity in EU prime time was because of a difference in skill, not coverage.

Also, I just want to mention the population distinctions (Full, Very High, etc.) are vague at best. I’m not arguing that TC and DB don’t in fact have very similar populations, I’m just saying that it’s not a very accurate descriptor, and I’m not going to form opinions from it. It’s like trying to describe a person and all you can offer is their skin color.

How accurate we will never know, unless ANET is generous with information (hur hur), but it’s all we have AND official so it’s what i’ll work with.

I my opinion DB has very large swings in participation and thus, by extension, swings in coverage too.

Reference the first weeks of our matchup where DB was at VERY HIGH yet was able to field VERY large forces seemingly 24/7 on all BLs.

I think there is little doubt there are more bodies on the server now at FULL when compared to VERY HIGH.

Thus the only logical conclusion is declining participation, which IMO isnt an issue recruitment addresses, but rather one of organization and morale.

Interestingly, DB’s SEA does not seem to suffer from such large swings in participation, hence the consistent ability to dominate the ppt during that timeslot, it’s a credit to them, much respect for those guilds NNK,TFV, AT, GA and the various militia.

Conversely, DB’s EU/ early NA coverage has seen HUGE swings in participation, with the resulting volatility in ppt.

Digressing.

Regarding recruitment for a more competitive tier.

Tier 2 has the SMALLEST spread in glicko rating between Green and Red.

Tier 2 has the TIGHTEST ppt total of ALL tiers in NA.

How is the Tier NOT competitive?

Bumping this as it makes too much sense.

Test servers so we arent guinea pigs please!