Guild Wars 2

There are no melee classes. Warrior does more damage with ranged abilities than necromancer does with any weapon at all. If “melee classes” are kitten, even though they can do more damage then I can, I want to become a melee class.

There are large areas outside the spawn you can place siege without it being able to get to by the enemy. This is not new. This is not exploiting. This is done by all servers I have ever been matched up against. On this issue, anybody complaining about this is showing they’re complete lack of experience in WvW.

Orb hacking is a legit hack and needs to get dealt with by Anet quickly.

A bugged out keep lord may or may not have happened purely unintentionally. Half this game is glitches out already. Unless it happens on multiple keeps, the odds are it just kind of happened.

The funny thing is the OP already acknowledged he was trolling earlier on, for exactly this reason. To destroy EB morale. But the post was taken down by Anet, along with any post talking about it.

So I guess that was considered a troll post, but this entire thread isn’t. For whatever reason lol

Drium.8509:

Friday night, when the match ups reset, I saw EB in the lead and it didn’t take a genius to realize that after the beating TC and Mag took the week before, EB would get focused on for a while without anyone having to say anything. It’s basic strategy!

But after talking with some people in GOON and SFD (personal friends, not officers or anything) we came up with an experiment wherein by putting up a fake call to arms we might be able to anger some of EB’s players and demoralize them in an act of psychological warfare. So I posted! I said ‘hey TC and Mag let’s ally and take down EB!’ and we sat back, occasionally posted to induce error, and watched with popcorn.

After all the reports of people believing there is a real alliance, the insults being flung around, the conspiracies! being built, we smiled and knew we had done our job.

I just wanted to give a nice, big shout out to tkitten folks on this forum for giving us a laugh and making it worth our time to set this up by reacting so strongly to something that’s not even there.

You folks, have officially been trolled, and it was amazing.

Once TC moves on (they are the superior players, and I wish them the best of luck in the upper WvWvW bracket!), perhaps EB and Mag will rematch. When that happens, phase 2 of the idea I cooked with my friends will begin. Where phase 1 was an experiment to test how a server would react to a perceived alliance (outcries, whining in /team and /map, conspiracy theories, etc), phase 2 is an experiment to test how poorly that same server would play in a rematch against this perceived alliance, and whether or not the tunnel vision-induced rage causes them to play poorly and lower their guard.

Hopefully it proves to be as entertaining as phase 1 has been! Keep at it, EB, we -love- watching you denounce conspiracies and alliances that don’t really exist (and for that matter, we love seeing how badly it affects you in team and map chat, hint hint).

Until then…

“When you troll right, people won’t be sure you trolled at all.”

Killing players in a pvp zone? NOT IN MY VIDEO GAME.

Dwok Immortalus.2763:

Well, it was prohibitively difficult to ‘start over’ unless you had organized help in DAoC. MMOs were still a very niche player base back then too.

Yeah, entirely different mind set back then.

Regnier.9240:

TSG has been destroying at night times for WvW. Tarnished Coasts will grab all of Eternal overnight. With pain train express leading TSG’s zergs we have been dominating every night. Magguuma has been putting up a fight though.

That seems unlikely. We’re outmanned in every borderlands from 12am-5pm EST during the weekdays.

Not anybody’s fault, just saying.

Dwok Immortalus.2763:

Slightly related note, but is anyone else terrified by the rapidly increasing rate of transfers to TC once we started running away on score? I didn’t realize there were that many people doing that.

I don’t remember it happening in DAoC, but it happened in WAR. Eventually entire servers were taken down because everybody jumped ship from the losing faction to the winning one. It was slightly different I guess since the battles were done on the same server, with 2 opposing factions. Ended up being 5v1 kind of numbers and everybody would just eventually quit out of boredom. The winning and losing sides.

Slamz.5376:

Goons, or someone claiming to represent them, already admitted in another thread that this was “play to lose”. Not their exact words or intentions, but rather, the net result of an experiment that backfired on them. They had hoped to use this match to propel Maguuma and Tarnished Coast ahead in ratings at the expense of Ehmry Bay, but instead ended up causing Tarnished Coast to run away with the ball.

Dev posts in the past have said that rating changes are based not just on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but also on the score. They didn’t spell out the formula, but I imagine the net result of this match is that Tarnished Coast will springboard into a higher rating while Maguuma and Ehmry Bay will both lose some points, probably about the same amount since they are almost tied in score.

Goons are famous for their forum experiments but they miscalculated a bit here, and they accidentally shot their own server in the foot.

(Although with server transfers still being free, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Goons simply move to Tarnished Coast by Friday. After all, their experiment was only a failure if you assume they are trapped on the server they caused to lose rating.)

So Goons were playing to lose, but now that the loss is assured, they’ve shot themselves in the foot? Explain this foul trickery. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

Omega.8573:

Raffie.7865:

Every game steals from other games.

Basically all MMO’s stold from UO and EverQuest, who in turn stole from D&D.

Yes, but those games aren’t boasting that they’re re-inventing the MMO genre…

Those games were the beginning of the MMO genre. They started the whole thing.

Jestersmiles.4365:

If TC having this must trouble with us (Ebay) a low rank WvW server , well have fun fighting the big boys who dwarf you in number and alliances.

It pretty clear Ebay is never going to be a WvW server , we are only here because we steamrolled the last two servers but that ok with me, I am here for the SPVP not the WvW.

WvW is just who has the bigger number plain and simple.

Have getting steamroll by ruin ….if you ever get that high.

DBs way up the list from our last pairing (probably because they stomped Mag and TC so hard). TC will probably be up against 1st and 2nd place finishers in the Blackgate/ Gate of Madness/Yak’s Bend match up. And Mag/EB will probably fight 3rd place.

The maps were bigger, there were less players roaming those maps (because all MMOs back then had a significantly smaller playerbase) , and renown ranks. That’s really all DAoC had over WvW.

ToA was the day DAoC died anyway, so all of this mildly irrelevant.

There are “extra points” to make variants, but the essential always picked traits are 10/30/10/0/0. That’s 20 points to throw around for your own needs.

Consume Conditions/Corrupt Boon/Epidemic/Signet of Spite or Plague Signet/Plague

Scepter/Dagger/Staff

shoognite.2106:

…or needs to be in 2nd place. /tinfoilhat

We purposely attempt to establish a fixed score at the end so we don’t move up the rankings and fight the big bad wolves.

Dovgan.8605:

@Leiloni no one said anything about nerfing anything more. I said it would promote zergs if it was 100% honor drop, which it isn’t. How is not changing something nerfing it more. Half the posters here have less than half the WvWvW kills I have and I fail to see how increasing honor or loot drops to 100% does anything but put zerg groups on easy mode. If you want 100% return you gave yourself 2 viable options.

Increasing badge drop rate would actually do the opposite. It would promote small scale battles more since zerg vs zerg battles, out in the open without siege, almost always end in a stalemate with hardly any kills at all. Everybody just rezes each other.

Atm, the rewards for WvW focus completely around sieging undefended towers/supply and killing PvE boss monsters. Killing in PvP currently does not give you significant rewards, which is odd to say the least.

I too would like them to have a 100% drop rate and have them be a special currency like karma so you don’t have to worry about looting while you’re murdering.

I have 220 badges and 924 WvW kills (never done the jumping puzzles or any of the PvE bosses in the WvW zones). That’s 4-5 kills per badge. Almost 1000 kills is a pretty decent amount of time in WvW as well, the rewards however do not show for it.

Tactics are now abusive exploits. You got out played.

Thunderknuckles.9475:

You’re right, Rhyis, but the big difference between a warrior and a ranger’s ranged weapons is that the ranger has far more reach. A warrior’s rifle has very short range. Very short.

4 out of 5 rifle abilities have 1200 range. No different than every other class out there. The thing rifle is missing is aoe (which you can make up for with longbow), but it’s single target damage is absolutely devastating.

Warriors can do more damage from range than my necromancer can do from anywhere. There are no “melee classes”.

Outmanned buff needs to give combative bonuses and EU servers should be done away with completely. There’s no significant change in latency between any server regardless of where you live, so why even have them?

DoX.1758:

Must say the fun part is i hear alot of NOO dont go daoc i dont want the daoc system
what player most of us that accually played RvR wants is the feeling of small guilds beeing able to face of against other 8 man parties in an open enviroment like a sandbox that emain was. Every MMorpg after Daoc has been zerg if u dont have 210 members in your elite guild and zerg you cant win

Whats the fun in that its not skill i saw a guild 8 man really tight group facing off against us zerging they where good very good but in the end the manpower was just to big and they had no way of escaping.

Millions of people also didn’t play MMOs back in 2001. Games will never be the same as they were “back in the day” simply because it’s impossible when you factor in the number of players on at any given time.

The zone cap clearly is attempting to discourage it, but there’s only so much that can be done.

Nobody camps all 3 entrances. Just admit you had no idea about the other ways to get out of your spawn.

Scepter/Dagger off/Staff are pretty much the only weapons you need.

Still lots of fun. Necro is one of the better WvW classes out there imo.

Mag doesn’t have queue times during prime time either. In any of the BLs, including eternal.

Make do with what you got.

Every class has access to both ranged and melee weapons in this game so there really isn’t any room for complaining.

You are placing them in the wrong locations.

Shaojack.3871:

Rhyis.7058:

Oh I see. You’ll ignore the pic and attempt to troll me. Excellent. I love this game.

No crossed swords at EB.
Must be an MAG-EB alliance =P

This thread was a diversion from the real truth.

This game could probably use DAoC/WARs realm point system and have those stats only work inside wvw. Seems like a decent compromise.

Welcome to RvR.

With the exception of missing realm ranks, I have much preferred this games RvR over DAoCs. DAoC was great for it’s time but I think your nostalgia goggles are on a little too tight.

And yeah, I agree water fights are terrible in this game.

Saine Grey.6794:

Working together to fight the top of the scoreboard is different than being spawncamped by Meguma in 2 different Borderlands. No wonder we don’t know what’s going on in the borderlands we’re in, we can barely even leave the spawn.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/ca37ac8cead367c5e281cbca71330293.jpg

Cool story bro. You guys have had that orb of power for 3 hours now, the keep, who knows how long. A few hours ago both the top towers were controlled by blue and red.

You probably are being spawn camped in Mag BL, as you have absolutely nothing in there. But I said, it was early in the day that you guys controlled half of the map. Not in the evening.

Sure is a lot of made up stuff being thrown around here in the name of victimization.

Saine Grey.6794:

Well I just came from world v world and from an Ehmry Bay player’s perspective, whether there was ever an alliance or not, Ehmry Bay’s players are so disheartened about the supposed alliance next to no one is even playing in Maguma and Tarnished Coast borderlands. I jumped into Meguma, asked why we had nothing on the map and I got the reply “Everyone quit, Meguma and Tarnished Coast are working together.” No queue in prime time for 2/4 borderlands? Really?

Which is mildly hilarious considering in TC borderlands Mag/EB were working together the whole night to mess up TCs fun, and in Mag borderlands TC/EB were working together throughout the entire day to mess up Mags fun.

I mean at one point TC had exactly 1 keep throughout their own borderlands tonight, and same thing happened to Mag in the day. Apparently EB isn’t even aware of what’s going on around them, even in the borderlands they’re currently in.

Adric Melchior.3682:

Are we talking about the same game? I was queued for TC borderlands for an hour and a half, never got in, and just gave up now.

Different servers, different queue times (or lack thereof).

Supersun.4603:

I think it’s clear that while Mag in general may not have an alliance with TC, Goon Squad either does, is completelykitten or is playing for second.

Good Squad is absolutely targeting Ebay over TC even though they really should be doing the opposite. They could sweep a lot of TCs unguarded places if they weren’t too busy tying to force Ebay off the map instead.

I guess some people are content with being second best :/

On the flip side, EB has a significant presence over in Maguuma borderlands and isn’t fighting TC at all. As a result, most of Mags own borderlands is controlled by TC. If the people in this borderlands crossed over to the TC borderlands they’d be able to fend off Mag’s attacks and do damage to TC in the process, while Mag would only have to deal with TC in their own borderlands.

Clearly this shows a current alliance between TC and EB and EB is fighting for 2nd.

The reality of the situation is: zergs gonna zerg.

The hell are you talking about? Competitive fights. That’s what the middle of the pack servers have. We’ve fought and lost to the “real” wvw servers already. I’m fully aware of where we stand.

The very quote you responded to I stated “it only gets worse as you move up the ladder”. Indicating there are a lot better servers out there. But yeah, I think I’m the baddest man on the plan dude.

I almost feel sorry for the people that think there’s an alliance. It means they aren’t aware of the constant ebb and flow of rvr yet. 2 servers currently going at it at a certain front? Better believe the third party is going to take notice and take advantage against one of those servers. This is standard here in the middle of the pack.

It’s my understanding EB steamrolled their last match up. Welp, welcome to the real fights. You gonna get pincered from time to time. It only gets worse as you move up the ladder.

OP has successfully trolled every EB player. I must congratulate him on his services.

Hope we can fight TC and EB again in the future. TC fights are, as always, a blast and EB seems to be up to the task.