Guild Wars 2

the megaserver prompt is driving me nuts, especially when i’m with a group and it pulls me to an empty server lol….,maybe that could be an optional thing ? where if a player finds himself on a seemingly empty server, you click “Find active server” so it’s not constantly popping up ?

but for harder group stuff, what i usually do is throw up a tag, and announce what boss i found, usually end up with a nice party that way since most people are roaming looking for things to do too. “Pug Powah!” when it’s over, i drop the tag and look for the next thing i want to do….or if i find a group on my solo path.

Also, some champs can be easily solo’d by positioning yourself, sometimes there’s a branch or a rock you can climb on and the champ in question only does ground attacks.

it would be way way way more fun if there were more people active, but places like dragon stand are simply unreasonable for one player to do anything other than run from bush to bush hiding and grinding toxic pods.

a lot of the game mechanics are designed to be profitable for groups of people, without those people, some areas are pure insanity and a money sink from all the teleporting you will have to do from constant dying for roaming solo.

masteries, experience and hero points wouldn’t be such a big deal if the population was bigger, i see hp trains all the time on active servers…they just aren’t always active.

i think anet needs a smaller population mode, and keep this mode for when it fills up again. I get it, but ive seen both sides of the picture now, it’s a rush with a group, it’s stressful when alone, not a fun challenging stressful.

Hot is actually, pretty hot. I just spent about 15 minutes today just gliding non stop – i mean literally, that was so fun and relaxing. I’m a casual, well this week i went hardcore lol – went from 0 to herald with lvl 32 mastery…so yeah, it’s awesome..

But I do empathize with everyone elses comments in that – wvw was my main game area for a looong time, and now I just can’t stomach it from all the changes.

I’m a hardcore pvp’r ..and I have zero points in pvp because it’s not intelligent pvp

One thing I loved about gw1, was the amount of strategy and tactics you had in pvp – they dumbed it down so much, that i just don’t see gw2 as a pvp game anymore…..and that’s not a dis. No offense guys, at this point, I want to say you guys get it …but from gw1 – someone started something brilliant with pvp…and it was downhill from there with the endless changes.

I just adapted, but it makes me cringe to think of gw2 as a source for real pvp gaming.

But hot is fun, at least there’s some pve strategy to be found there.

I’m both pve and pvp – ….pvp …fail…pve – fun

someone at the very beginning of gw1 really understood the pvp culture, but my guess is that person left and someone who was more pve took over.

in the very beginning, wvw started as intelligent pvp – but the lack of server balancing made it a mess, a pver would want it to be like historical life…not a pvpr…they would want balance, further the disregard for the importance of stats to a pvpr …was a pve’r move. Only a pver would think of granting better stats because of grind. To a pvpr thats a major offense.

and again, it’s not a dis, but ever since I started gaming online, I can spot a pver doing pvp a mile away, and I think that’s what is upsetting the community the most …they won’t pinpoint it ….but I will…..someone who is great at pve is trying to be pvp – and we see it.

A true pvpr understands pvp is a culture, and not just a game mode. For that matter, so is pve, and the pve in gw2 is very fun!

very simple,
a closed room
projectiles bounce off the walls
1 elite button that allows you to reflect that projectile back to your opponent, the projectile keeps ricocheting off the wall till someone gets hit. Projectile does 2 bounces before it dies, unless someone reflects it.

that’s it.

this turns regular pvp into a virtual game of raquetball and generate a ton of strategy.

the rest of the skill bars stay the same for regular pvp play in between.

Death from above!

but would be a logistical nightmare with current maps, especially with people just gliding into towers. would give ballistas and rangers new value, but the maps would have to adapt. plus we’d need to cast while gliding. – then my grenade engineer would be greatly feared.

btw, if you do that, I want a batman glider ..so all they see is a black shadow when i hover over them and nuke them! then you can put a power supply inside the structure, for that mesmer that wants to take down the electrical dome that prevents enemies from simply gliding in.

maybe the gliding can be easily addressed with an assuran electrical dome that prevents others from gliding in, better than rebuilding the maps, and we need our old borders back. great work, thanks!

honestly, the ascended stuff is what disappointed me most about anet, I’m a fan of the artwork, but whomever decided it’s ok to gate stats in a world that has areas that mix pve and pvp – such as wvw ….will never be someone I’d respect – it’s a very very elitist decision, and I’m quite sure they are the one responsible for all other elitist type content that most of the gw community dislikes.

Moving that person to the mailroom will greatly improve guildwars 2, i’m sure it will upset some employees though because chances are, he’ll only deliver mail to the highest paid people …..and lose everyone elses mail, but better them than the paying customers lol

i miss the Fort Aspenwood way of making big teams, very casual / pug friendly. You join a que, when 12 people were in que on each team, the game began, that area was always full….was great if you only had 1 hour to play, jump in que, you were in a big raid like skirmish. – it doesn’t have to be pvp, but i wish we had that type of que system for small party events.

it’s just not possible if you have 1 or even 2 hours to play, to spend 1 hour trying to put together a team, to do a 1 1/2 hour adventure, I mean…that should be an option for guilds …but there should be a que option for casual / pug players too.

and i have to say, the game is hard, but i’m enjoying it …as a pug. you do have to know your character / build and have good reflexes though, as you will travel the jungle alone looking for random fights …there are many of us actually -smile- I always see solo flyers. the hot npcs are mean, but that’s kind of fun …for me at least …even solo. I find myself flying into trees to take out groups of npcs like some ninja sniper lol….but i like that stuff! :p when i find good fights, i throw up my tag, and the event gets full pretty quick….if it doesn’t and I can’t do it solo….i float around looking for the next fight. but so far , I’ve done a champ solo….and a few events solo…so i dunno.

maybe the people who find it hard, need to spend some time capturing camps solo in wvw ….that will teach you useful skills for doing hot casually. nothing like getting swarmed by an enemy zerg of 30+ people, to teach you when to run lol. hot is ez in comparison!

@Coulter.2315 – lol….you are the one painting it to be evil and tinfoily haha – it’s called business and promoting new areas, marketing and generating interest, i even showed an alternative that i thought would be more effective.

if your imagination wasn’t getting the best of you, this conversation wouldn’t be as interesting, so thanks.

it’s obvious. ad-homs and spin doctoring won’t change that.

dear anet, you want elite pvp, make a pvp enabled town in pve. you will go through a few months of chaos, eventually teams start forming to calm the chaos down and take revenge for the innocent souls that have fallen, or even form the big evil guild that wants to take over. bang, the natural evolution of rpg and pvp.

you want to fix wvw, first append the new area and bring back the old borderlands, don’t replace strategies everyone has built. then do a mega server on it, it’s not competitive, the fun is in the zerg there! heck, the fun is in the zerg everywhere!

next, the mega-server killed the rp community – which is historically the strongest esport spectators. this gives pvp and talking about it culture and community, and suddenly it’s not “finkle, vs quaggankiller” in pvp, it’s good vs evil from the fights that came out of the open pvp / rpg enabled area. no goals, just an area like southsun cove where players can get hit just like npcs. except teams / squads can’t hit each other -nudge nudge- – no special prizes, other than maybe certain skins to show you were there ( and lived to buy the t-shirt lol )

been there, done that…the first time it happend. it works.

edit – the currency in this open pve / pvp zone should be ears of the people you have fought and defeated! – a little diablo trivia there! -

@Coulter – well consider what Vayne just stated …

“I think everyone knows the WvW population is down. But the PvP and PvE population is up, if nothing else due to free to play.”

that is no accident.

wvw, was changed…. people wanted it fixed, not changed. the new area could have been appended, but it replaced the borderland. which drove many people away.

It’s nothing about feelings or opinion, it’s obvious. Wvw had a heavy population, anet wanted pvp to be esport, wvw had lots of issues, naturally wvw’rs whom are also pvpr’s spend more time in spvp, because they don’t like the new borderlands and wvw is emptier and lost its edge….so now spvp has a bigger audience. there is a pattern there, of small teams in pvp, and small teams in dungeons, fractals…..and any other ‘limited’ size events…

somebody really really really wants elite strategy game play. it’s very obvious.

all i’m saying is they are going about it the wrong way, you can’t insist people just like each other and be elite. that’s just ….no. elite comes from seeing people in the same places many times doing the same thing you like doing. which comes from open world.

Coulter.2315:

You’ve described your idea of casual and you then describe what content you like (world bosses), those things are available to you, where is the problem?

I’m not sure where your “social engineering” bit comes in.

well, not exactly, i’ve been a part of hard core teams in the past, the more focused precision and strategy a team needs to have, the more hardcore it is. how can you be hardcore without precision and strategy ?

and to be clear, Social Engineering is a discipline in social science that refers to efforts to influence particular attitudes and social behaviors on a large scale.

attitude, as in perception.

small 5 man strategic teams that focus on precision and speed is a particular attitude, this attitude has taken over most if not all 5 man type – pre-set non open world organized teams.

attitude, as in how they see the game. Some people get very upset when they lose, understandably because of the amount of work and focus they place on the game, others have a lot of fun laughing about it. That’s the difference between hardcore and casual.

also, i should say, i’m a hardcore casual, meaning, i am very much into precision and strategy, and I demand it …of myself, not of anyone else …..it matters not if we win or lose, I’m just superpug in game lol

i think the problem is the social engineering aspect of it, – or rather, casual vs hardcore.

the open world events are more casual, because u are in an area, a big beast popped on, you throw up a tag…or look for one on the map, bang…instant fight – everyone gets along because they are either too busy trying to stay alive or saying thank you for the res.

Those small teams, and even the guild hall that’s demanding of a group, is stressful for a casual player – I wish i had more friends offline that played, but i simply don’t – many guilds i’ve joined, were great for a month or 3, then just died….other new guilds i joined were trying to tell me how and when to play….that wasn’t fun…..so when I have a moment, I casually pug the big fights …and it’s a blast.

If there are simply more small team areas that you need to organize, plan, run a fixed build …blah blah….That IS hardcore. It doesn’t necessarily have to be ocd gaming, just very organized ….. to some of us it’s just a game, and all the excessive planning, organizing technical teams, 3 hour adventures with precision accuracy, is not something we are interested – some of us just want to log on for an hour and fight a bf monster and call it a day.

the more organized anet expects us to be as small organized strategic teams, the less casual it will be.

yeah, definitely grindy, but it doesn’t bug me, because i see it as practice….I’m sure once I kill my millionth monster using the same routine just to talk to a frog it will annoy me way more.

just don’t gate a pvp related competitive edge…..that’s unethical lol

i can see how the time gates would get annoying, i’m personally the kind of player that likes blasting through the game to learn the mechanics, then i spend my time getting good at my skills – I’d rather get good as a player, than get good because i worked 15 years before the game gave me a skill. so yeah, the timers aren’t fun.

it’s a mix of different gaming headsets, a rpg’r can appreciate the timer because they like stories and rewards, a pvp’r wants all the tools now, so he can master using them, because his ‘reward’ is bragging rights – I want to brag about how i killed a dragon with a chicken bone…..so it’s a conflict. Hot 2 is great for strategist ( not annoying to me since skills don’t hinder pvp ) , but not cool for rpg’r because it’s harder. Fortunately, the power build I made for gw2 vanilla, carried over to hot, so I’m not missing anything new.

my vote, it’s not a fail.

I think what happened is, the marketing hype caused an expectation that created an image larger than what was visibly released. I mean, anet was advertising for what, like 1 year about the expansion, that was exhausting, at least for me. so i’m quite sure that marketing backfired as it created an illusion of bigger than what the expac was. Not that the expac was bad imo, but a years worth of hype is well…too much. I don’t think there was anything big enough to be made to live up to 1 years worth of hype lol.

The whole mechanics of flying alone is really well done. The new areas are very rich, i’m particularly a fan of the gw2 artwork. The new stories, were delivered different than prior gw games, no cut scenes, so it naturally had less of an impact, but i’m more into the environment than the stories to be honest. Not that the stories are bad, but as primarily a pvp’r at heart, i’m more into strategy and technique than the in depth story side of things. so while I didn’t miss it, i noticed it wasn’t there …and again, it didn’t match the level of 1 years worth of marketing hype.

I do get the complaints though, the hype was big, so people wanted to “See” more…further, the npcs and areas are harder, and you can’t walk around with just any build…this is a more hard core area, but as a strategist, i kind of enjoy that.

What I’m sure will bug me to tears though, which i haven’t gotten to, are places that “You need to wait 15 hours and get criticized by every fanboi ocd brat in gw who plans to boot you from the 5 man team when we get to the end, before you can visit the next area”
those 5 man areas are elitist breeding ground, and I stay away from them. I’ve come to accept that there are simply some places in gw 1, 2 and now hot that I will never see, simply because the elitist community is not fun to be around. Don’t get me wrong, I can be a bit of elitist myself, but i play for fun win or lose.

I’m casual as in, I’m not into scheduling events, I play when i have time. But when I have time, I like dishing pain lol.
so I’m not looking forward to the “Tolerate the morons so you can see new places” mechanics, and I wont complain, but I just wont play those areas either, I havent see that part yet, most of the group events I’ve seen are open world…..and that’s a pug players home field, and everyone is friendly.

I just got hot and i’m enjoying it. I’m a merc…meaning pug, no real guild affiliation, I just join groups as I go. I’ve been doing ok, in fact even took out a champ alone…which i wasn’t able to do in vanilla gw 2 and i got to the AB forgotten City / Tarir like 2nd day of play 5th level mastery. I’m a pure zerker mesmer with a staff and greatsword, and i’m causing the npcs great pain, granted, I have died, but nothing unreasonable considering i was jumping in the middle of mobs and going for power wipes lol.

Now, I can imagine i’d have trouble with my close quarters melee type characters. so I think i’ll be surfing hot with my cast range characters while i max out the masteries.

my own tip, focus your build on a ton of damage with 1200 range ….defense doesn’t seem to help much if you get swarmed….and the npcs are buffed enough to just be an endless fight, so you need to get your dodge game up…my mesmer build generates a ton of illusions, which helps keep the focus off of me while i zap them from a safe distance. You definitely need a strategy of power attack to survive though, all defense wont cut it.

aside from this the art and new mechanics are stunning.

To be honest, i got the upgrade expecting it to be a complete disaster, but i’m actually having lots of fun.
I’m a casual player, but nonetheless I hit my keyboard hard lol, so i’m not your average casual player :p

now I’m one of the wvw guys that is upset that the wvw area of the game is not as fun anymore ….so I do have things that i can complain about. But i have to say that Hot is definitely fun and a good job / dynamic to the game.

also I should say, I didn’t buy hot for the new area content, but more because I wanted the new mastery stuff since they were adding gliding to tyria.

so I have to say, nice work Anet. it was a bit pricey, but after seeing the art and under the hood work you did, I can appreciate that you guys did put a lot of work into this, aside from whats visible. And respectfully I say to fellow artists, great work!

oh, one more thing, please fix wvw!! – I had to say that not to sound like a fanboi! :p lol

I just found this -

http://www.sears.com/ncsoft-875646000512-fg-gw2st-fr-guild-wars-2/p-SPM10236826518?hlSellerId=4097&sid=IDx20110310x00001i&kpid=SPM10236826518&kispla=SPM10236826518

well, i have to thank you for this post, suddenly it became clear to me. See, all along, I thought everyone at blizzard evolved from the original rpg culture, i saw wow as a commercialization and watered down pg version of true rpg…but i thought the original blizzard had the right idea, the guys who did warcraft, diablo and the first starcraft, the corporate suits must have seen the money, jumped in and commercialized it to some mainstream king of pop, 5 and over version of the genre. When Anet first started, I was under the impression they were lit from the same original RPG flame that started mmos to begin with…..It never occurred to me that they were really just a spin off of someone else that knew their true rpg roots. Suddenly it makes perfect sense that anet has the best tools, but has no idea where to go with it. It’s like they have the sacred book of magic, but it’s written in parables to them and they just don’t get it, they’ve had their noses up wows kittens for so long, that it just looked like they knew what they were doing. -grabs the rpg torch back- really nice art though! Nothing wrong with being a little better than 2nd life either.
Now I can understand, and even respect why the guildwars 2 loyal white knights honestly believe anet will never be better than wow. At first I was shocked to hear them say that, as I just knew they were capable of not only toppling wow, but evolving the rpg culture to where it was meant to go…..but now, thanks to this post…I get it. I can put this all to rest!!! Thank You!

The secret to wows success was just a heck of a lot of marketing, and some really deep pockets helping them. Other than that …it was pretty …well…pretty

but if you consider both sides of this issue – simple clarity would help a great deal.

That’s the issue I’m pointing out, you have to search around for the answer – and to avoid any speculation. Make it clear, people shouldn’t have to reference, cross reference, have long debates for something that might be very simple.

you really should not be ‘tired’ nor displeasured because it’s not your fault, and it has no bearing on you and the best thing is to find what may bring understanding.

The fact is that it is vague and has to be found on several documents to be made clear, i’ve heard all sides …the problem I’m seeing is that the community is losing trust, and lack of clarity does not help encourage trust.

I want to see anet number 1, that’s not going to happen if their ‘existing’ fans doubt them every step of the way. I don’t doubt them, i just dont think they are considering that some things are causing more harm than good.

Vayne.8563:

Ricky.4706:

please kind sirs, i have nothing but love for all of you <3 stand for what is right, for the greater good. let us find somewhere that everyone can be happy, bickering about such minute details is what is causing this mess to begin with, like the front page ad about a stress test that people who paid for beta testing rights can’t attend. Surely you have some compassion for those people who supported everyone, even defended you, only to feel shut out and disregarded.

just like you have stated yourself, “But words can very often completely change the definition of the moral” – yes, “Announcing the First World vs. World Borderlands Stress Test” just like these words change the moral of “Access to All Beta Weekend Events” yes, it’s a detail, a small devil of a detail at that. All I’m asking is that you consider the people affected by this. Is that really so wrong ? must you constantly go at them ? can’t we all just get along ?

You’re not entitled to anything not advertised and you don’t deserve to be in a stress test PERIOD. Now, without knowing the number of people included, maybe it’s only a couple of hundred, how can you insist, how can ANYONE, insist that they be included. If 10,000 people all insist the be included and there’s room for 500 then what do you do?

This is so self-serving it’s not funny. Actually I think what you’re saying is more harmful to the community. It’s unreasonable, and it’s irresponsible.

wow, that’s toxic. fyi, i haven’t pre purchased, this has nothing to do with how I felt entitled….. lol I am simply pointing out reasons they can be upset and trying to help identify the problem to maybe give you a better chance at peace. But from the tone of your posts, that seems to be the last thing on your mind.

please kind sirs, i have nothing but love for all of you <3 stand for what is right, for the greater good. let us find somewhere that everyone can be happy, bickering about such minute details is what is causing this mess to begin with, like the front page ad about a stress test that people who paid for beta testing rights can’t attend. Surely you have some compassion for those people who supported everyone, even defended you, only to feel shut out and disregarded.

just like you have stated yourself, “But words can very often completely change the definition of the moral” – yes, “Announcing the First World vs. World Borderlands Stress Test” just like these words change the moral of “Access to All Beta Weekend Events” yes, it’s a detail, a small devil of a detail at that. All I’m asking is that you consider the people affected by this. Is that really so wrong ? must you constantly go at them ? can’t we all just get along ?

Zero Day.2594:

Ricky.4706:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Ricky.4706:

IndigoSundown.5419:

That’s, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

The gray needs to LTQ.

sounds like you and brainy quote have something to debate about! lol

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgesant101521.html

Probably the most well-known sentence of Santayana’s is also one of the least accurately quoted: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” (The Life of Reason: Reason in Common Sense. Scribner’s, 1905: 284)

Now I see why you’re doing what you’re doing.

i focus on the moral of the story, when you stare at the trees for too long, you might miss the forest!

God, I feel you’re trolling. And that’s not a quote.

i see what you are ‘trying’ to do. is there something wrong with focusing on the moral of a topic than knit picking the words to favor your own argument ?

IndigoSundown.5419:

Ricky.4706:

IndigoSundown.5419:

That’s, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

The gray needs to LTQ.

sounds like you and brainy quote have something to debate about! lol

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgesant101521.html

Probably the most well-known sentence of Santayana’s is also one of the least accurately quoted: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” (The Life of Reason: Reason in Common Sense. Scribner’s, 1905: 284)

Now I see why you’re doing what you’re doing.

i focus on the moral of the story, when you stare at the trees for too long, you might miss the forest!

IndigoSundown.5419:

That’s, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

The gray needs to LTQ.

sounds like you and brainy quote have something to debate about! lol

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgesant101521.html

phys.7689 – well said, very nice presentation and valid comments based on facts.

“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” –
George Santayana

another win for the grays!

but now that I’ve agreed it’s just a rumor, you can’t use that argument because it would be a straw man based on a rumor lol

I’m establishing why anet isn’t being trusted and why players are not at fault for not buying into blind faith, and now the prepurchase white knights who like to call vets entitled, have been promoted to vets. They now bare the burden of entitlement ROFL!

o man, i love this debate stuff

who knows, maybe we might get a few gray knights out of this….there comes a point that a person stops believing in what others call good, and starts standing for what is right.

“I want good, like anyone else, I just want whats good for ‘me’.” – a gray knight

lucky for you, what’s good for me, is to be part of a happy community in a number 1 game.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Ahh…so it’s just rumor. Gotcha.

yeah, one with a documented past. lol

http://my.mmosite.com/2221790/blog/ritem/conspiracy_theory_did_guild_wars_2s_closed_beta_really_happen.html

i’m trying to make this evident to anet because the emperor has no clothes.

no where…..at this point it’s a cross reference to the same marketing strategy they did when gw2 was first released. It’s practically identical, i’m guessing if they continue down this path, you can predict the future of the expansion based on how gw2 was rolled out.
Tons of bugs, events completely revamped and eventually ignored because they couldn’t figure out a solution, then smothered in living stories to distract from problems. – that’s what we can ‘predictably’ expect for the next 1-2 years. I’m guessing within 6 months after release, there will be a nice sale of a tweaked expansion and quite possibly the optimal purchase time.

that was a good argument. anet fans are a wild bunch for sure!! but it’s called work because it’s not always fun ?

it’s no doubt a pick your poison scenario.

but on anets behalf, it’s important for them as a company to have their fans trust….sometimes this means giving bad news along with the good news. Not pretending bad news is good news…..that’s something apple patented long ago lol

right, and it would have been more enjoyable and clear as a Press Stress Test Event.

Then when people ask why they were not allowed in, anet could have simply said they weren’t ready to show it to the general public, they are only showing what they want to be promoted.

Completely clear and understandable, less the head games and word play. The only thing the head games and word play show me personally is that they are insecure.

a good product sells itself, do you really need to see a toilet paper commercial to get inspired to buy toilet paper ? no…those toilet paper commercials are to say …“Buy mine, not his!!”

again, the only issue as I see it, is that it’s a big bold announcement on their site, and in the login browser.

This can be construed as rubbing it in the faces of prepurchasers that are not allowed in.

I’m not a pre-purchaser, it’s just annoying to me, but i can’t take it like a ‘tease’ – i’d be way more upset if i had put faith in anet and the purchase. Fortunately i knew better this time around. lol

Macilien.3078:

Ricky.4706:

you still don’t see the negative connotation though ? -

“That’s why they gave invitations to press people to deliver them as they see fit”
then the people that paid for the right to participate in those events aren’t fit ?

again, this isn’t bothering ‘me’ – i hate to admit i have an urge to listen to a benny hill theme song as i try to find a peaceful place all parties can be happy with. i just want my old guildwars back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYbu5DJA1U

Except that nobody paid for participation in this stress test, it was even announced before the prepurchase started how people will be selected.

then you can agree that their timing was inappropriate ? they should have held those tests firsts before advertising the ability to purchase the right in said types of events.

A stress test is a type of beta event. A “good” company, is supposed to be a White Knight. Debating a stress test is not a beta, is a gray area.

Gray knights don’t trust each other, naturally.

phys.7689 yeah, he worked smarter, not harder lol

on the black knights behalf, they want to know what they are paying for, so what you are really asking them to do is pay on faith and be satisfied with whatever or leave. The problem with that is that they do consider this their home as much as the white knights consider it their home, so there will be skirmishes.

What i think would calm things down is clarity. There is a big cloud of gray in the air <3

gray is not a space for just anyone, no one really trusts us :*(

to some i’m not evil enough, to others i’m not good enough, but i always win…the irony…. the pug life can be a lonely place……

purely speculative, you need a stronger opening argument. DaVinci has established the abandoning of an older version of software to an expanded / updated / new version of software …run with it. i win whether the white knights or black knights own the debate …i just want a clear win.

if the black knights want to appeal this debate….. you may now argue how they abandoned the core gw2 version for the expansion.

Zero Day.2594:

So,

When GW2 was just released, was it incomplete? Is it incomplete now?

Are you sure that before the release of GW2 they managed to implement everything? Are you sure they didn’t hold some back?

When will it be complete? Can it ever be complete?

I like your style, has a nice touch of gray area!

Zero Day is “Completely” right – a complete work of art is subjective

“Art is never finished, only abandoned.” – Leonardo da Vinci

another win for the grays! yay!

how do you know that the streamers have prepurchased and were not given a free copy.

if you REALLY want peace, you will have to make an effort to understand both sides, otherwise you are simply trying to win a debate, and well…that’s what us gray knights do, we win debates.

our sole purpose is to keep the balance, and win debates.

watch, come up with a winning argument, and I will be right there with you supporting you….but we aren’t there yet, sadly :*(

why put it in bold letters on the front page if none of the prepurchasers can attend ?

that’s plain rude. funny, but rude!

well said indigo, I feel the exact same way, been there, done that ….got killed by the tequatl bunny. I’m fine with waiting for everyone to sort things out and also have no interest in beta testing. – I’d rather wait for the bug and tears free update and for the expansion to go on sale. win/ win for me.

and for the record, i’m neither a white knight nor a black knight….I’m a gray knight

I’m trying to help both sides debate more efficiently else this may end up into a teletubby slap fest that none will win. We need a decisive winner, so we can roll out the updates and see if they are worth the purchase.

Tirien.1326:

Ricky.4706:

and I’ll say it again, the problem isn’t the price, the problem is how you are treating us with such disregard.

If the problem was the price, the people would be screaming bloody murder for a legendary costing almost as much as the game, heck way more than the game since it was down to 10 bucks and now free. lol

Not everyone can get in, means that if you get in someone else of the vets wont, which should you pick to get in?
This entitlement needs to stop. I’m a vet, i couldn’t care less, this is NOT YOUR GAME, this is arenanets game, that you happen to play.

They don’t owe you anything… Remember that, harch but true,

Harch ? Harch ? Oh my, if you plan to attempt to insult me at least use a spell check!

But I will say well said …because I DIDN"T PRE-PURCHASE !!

and I say…….. it’s not YOUR money , it’s MY money and I spend it how I Want……on a game I like, not one that YOU like

I don’t owe anet or YOU ANYTHING.

Harsh but true.

I’m trying to help mr white knight sir. You fight sillyly

ok, lol….. it just looks like a marketing attempt to get more people to prepurchase. but we all have feelings…and that’s ok!!

yeah right , how can anyone be stupid enough to believe that -smh-

yes, i can debate in reverse too lol

now you either have to agree with calling prepurchasers stupid or defend them! hehehe!!! -insert benny hill music here-

massive ques ? ……ok lol

you keep arguing against them, that alone is rubbing salt in it.

The front page says “Announcing the First World vs. World Borderlands Stress Test”

sugar rush candy hype. it’s actually kind of cruel the way you are representing the issue by not even considering their side, and anet putting that all in bold.

But again, i’m trying to prevent myself from saying thats karma catching up to the ‘entitlement’ argument. so no one really should protest while you pounce on them saying that they aren’t ‘entitled’ to the stress test they thought they were invited to.
The vets not only tried to warn them, but are here speaking up for them too, despite all the insults we took from them.

so i mean, continue with the debate if you must, im not part of the camp you are trying to torment lol

you still don’t see the negative connotation though ? -

“That’s why they gave invitations to press people to deliver them as they see fit”
then the people that paid for the right to participate in those events aren’t fit ?

again, this isn’t bothering ‘me’ – i hate to admit i have an urge to listen to a benny hill theme song as i try to find a peaceful place all parties can be happy with. i just want my old guildwars back

a private beta, should be private. if you want to do a promotion, be honest and say you invited the press to a stress test. Even make the announcement, “We are holding a press stress test so they can show you the things we are preparing for beta!!!”

“why can’t the rest of us get in!!” “Because we still need to do a little more work before letting the rest in, we limit their access to areas we are ready to show”

all sorts of speculation can be avoided with simple honesty.

unfortunately the front page doesn’t represent that idea…

it’s more like “Announcing the First World vs. World Borderlands Stress Test – and you can’t come BWaaaahahahahahahaha!!!”

@lordkrall.7241 that would be one side of the conspiracy theory,

the other side of that would be anet is doing a marketing stunt and inviting the press to show us what we can’t have for another 6 months. 5 months of advertising already …for an expansion…..over-production.

@maddoctor.2738 ok, if you say so. no matter how you put it, it only paints them in a bad light.

if only certain people could have gotten in, then those certain people should have gotten a private memo….not a public announcement on something people paid for beta access…..cant access. That’s just rude. if it’s a private beta , keep it private , not front page.

trust me, i do find it funny, but it wouldn’t help my own position to heckle the pre purchase white knights -….so please don’t perceive me as being upset ….i’m trying to give you a different reaction that apparently you didn’t expect. Maybe help yall figure a way out of this mess.

lordkrall.7241:

Ricky.4706:

whats clear….. you pay, you are in beta, there’s a beta, you can’t get in. Darn that fine print!! lol

But that is not what it said.
It did not say: Buy now and get access to every test ever.
It did say: Buy now and get access to all Beta WEEKEND Events.

the issue is, the players are distrusting anet, having to make them read fine print, and causing them to feel left out is bad pr.

i already met the tequatl bunny, so I’m not upset about this.