Guild Wars 2

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Necromancer-Survivability-Explanation-Advice/first#post2497882

Toughness and Vitality barely mean anything.

Keep believing that, please. lol

Too many instances to recall within a WvW environment to illustrate that toughness and vitality has indeed made many a necro the last man standing………

Brutus.5732:

I’m sure BG’s mighty GvG guilds must have owned both EP and TW.

Nah, but we definitely know who has owned EP and TW……^^

Nakoor.1980:

….At least TC’s guilds have the balls to GvG.

Not for long…..

ZudetGambeous.9573:

So great for WvW where it is players, bad for PvE where everything and their brother will attack you until you die.

I use my WvW Guardian in PvE – he has 2411 toughness with Strength in Numbers traited. The agro is manageable in PvE.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Good fights!

Glad to see NS and Agg back up in T1

PLX Team

I have a lot of respect for Agg, but come on, Agg has got to get its kitten together and plant its kitten on a server, geez!

grave of hearts.7830:

And then he got hit by static field and hammer warrior.

I use Melandru runes and reduced conditions food. While static field can be problematic…for anyone, be assured that hammer warrior is not going to take away my 29K health in plague form, to boot, that warrior is about good as dead because the frontliners following me will decimate that warrior as I blind and chill him/her.

The Demonic Spirit.3157:

Necros got the hightest vitality ( DS ) and the highest toughness ( protection of the horde > 120 + Dark Armor > 400 ) > We are the best tankers

I do not use either protection of the horde or dark armor and still have over 1950 toughness and 3000 armor. The build I utilize tanks very well in WvW frontline zerging.

Syktek.7912:

If you really do run guardian often, remind me to avoid you as I doubt you really know how to play the class.

Any Guardian worth their weight in WvW and operating in a moderate to large group WvW zerg environment that uses SoJ needs to learn to play their class, not going off topic or anything…..

The one problem I see with most warriors in WvW, as with other solo or roaming classes, is that they do not know when to back off – live to fight another day. Seems most using warriors these days have Superman syndrome and think they can do or beat anything. Know your limitations, strengths and weaknesses, kkthx.

Charak.9761:

Rigel.3092:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Staff is good for Line of Warding or pulling mobs through a wall. That’s it.

Curious, how you pulling mobs through a wall with staff?

AA can go through walls/rocks/terrain

Apparently, you all missed a key word: PULLED. =.=

Your build is fine – it is designed primarily to run with a zerg or moderate sized guild group, not to 1v1; hence, why you tend to get defeated by thief’s.

Try Christos’ healway build. He seems quite successful.

Also, the build does not necessarily make you a successful roamer, it takes a bit of luck, player skill, playstyle, equipment, and knowing the strengths and weaknesses of your build … and more importantly, when to fight and when to simply hightail it out of ….

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Staff is good for Line of Warding or pulling mobs through a wall. That’s it.

Curious, how you pulling mobs through a wall with staff?

tom.7468:

Why not just make a necro, it take 2 mins. And deathly swarm/consume conditions is good condition removal.

Yes, of course, can’t win, roll another toon right? Yeah, right, with that type suggestive attitude and mindset, won’t be long before virtually everyone playing WvW will be rolling.playing only necros and thieves, huh, simply to pacify Anet and not working on a solution to the condi-heavy environment that they themselves – Anet – created with ‘fixes’……….

Gosh kitten PvE carebears do not even have to deal with this type garbage, but yeah, we, us WvWer’s, are the kitten children of GW2……

tom.7468:

I play all professions but at first i thought he were talking about spvp. Well in wvw , use soldier runes and syg,sy. If that don’t help use pure of voice too. I have farmed for ascended been trough this threadmill and this is exactly why its bad to balance the game around spvp and not pve. It hurts pve more.

The issue or possible issue here is that IF you are not running solo or small group roaming and simply running with a zerg, in a moderate to heavy condi-environment, such as those experienced in a zerg v. zerg environment, the use of SY will obliterate you without the immediate use of a condi-clean (such as contemplation of purity) immediately afterwards.

Rusty Knives.4062:

The last hour and a half JQ and Blackgate have been double teaming FABL garry…keep it up guys, we are enjoying wiping you over and over for the sweet loot!

You make like we are the only ones getting wiped or giving up massive amounts of bags. Ever wonder why we keep coming back? I must say, in all truth and honesty, it is highly commendable at the speed for which you all FA’ers can run from your Citadel spawn back to your Gerri. Now, who is really farming who, lol?

Super Kruegs.8967:

The news is man for man JQ, FA, Mag, hell even EB are better than you. We have fought them all in recent weeks, all the PVT and PPT in world can’t save BG from the simple undeniable fact that for the most part you are simply a coverage meat grinder and that’s it.

No, the real news is that you are allowing your hatred and emotions to speak as you do concerning BG. Accordingly, welcome to the meat grinder so pull up your little knickers and take it like a man instead of making excuse after excuse and allowing your emotions instead of rationale to speak. But yeah, every time we have encountered some of the likes of you from FA, the results are invariably the same: you get ground up by the meat grinder that it is……

Super Kruegs.8967:

I thought about PVE after i saw the matchup was Jade blob quarry and Black mega blob Gate, but you guys are a bag fest like I’ve never seen.

And yet your PPT speaks for itself…

But yeah, JQ mega blobs, BG mega blobs, SoR mega blobs, most other servers mega blob. Hey, guess what, FA even mega blobs, any news here other than you simply and only pointing out BG as mega blob? No.

As for bags, FA drops far more bags than JQ or SoR does; do all you guys wear zerker gear or what?

ballymun.3986:

I dunno why SoS were thrown in with us though, it seems very unfair on them.

Unfair?! Umm, you are playing in a league now where everyone in that league must and will play against each other at one time or another, hello?

Also, its hilarious the amount of *kitten*hurt that is evidenced in this thread alone. Boy, you all are in for some rude thrashing by SoR this week. lol.

Azure Prower.8701:

Good time for SoS to do SAB.

Given my week long visit to SoS, my observations are: On SoS, PvE zergs are bigger/larger than SoS WvW zergs…..

Hence, how I can understand your rational in saying what you have.

Obtena.7952:

That true, so it leads to the questions

“Is gear a good indicator of performance?”

I would argue no, BUT caution that in a WvW environment, along with some player skill, equipment/gear IS a definite indicator of performance or how you will fair overall in a WvW environment if not solely roaming or playing small group.

Can you be good if you aren’t in zerker gear? Yes.

There is no clerics backpiece. Accordingly, because there is not, there is no reason to ragequit. One minor items is not going to make a dern when it comes to overall healing stats, etc.

When are you all going to figure out that the “material breakdowns” for ascended gear is not why orich ingots, elder and ancient wood, or ecto glob prices are high…..it is the costs of the huge amount of materials needed to craft to 500 that is causing these prices to be as high as they are?

Bacon Please.8407:

Aiden.6483:

For WvW there is no such thing as too much armor. I’m sitting on ~3.5k armor on my warrior with about 2.3k toughness, for blob diving! Also 28k hp is nice.

can you kill any players 1v1? What weapons are you using. I currently use cav trinkets with Sentinel armor for about ~3550 armor with 23k health but I also have ~80 % crit damage. I’m assuming you are either a condition tank or Shout Healer/banner regen correct me if I am wrong.

On my Guardian: 20K health , 3500+ armor, 2300+ toughness, 30 crit/30 crit damage, full PVT armor with about 4 knights accessories the rest PVT.

Do I kill anything? Does 89589 WvW kills answer the question cause I know if the poster you were responding to with the ’are you killing anything" inquiry is even half way decent, he is killing just fine?

Why does it need fishing? It does not.

BilboBaggins.5620:

Well, they were 18s less than a month ago so I don’t think a 10s increase is nothing. The divide between the have’s and have-not’s just keeps growing.

Hey yo, spare us the have and have not’s material. There is no such thing as equality, as much as many of you would like to argue otherwise – especially as it relates to a virtual game that enlists INDIVIDUAL PLAYER’s who largely act and do INDEPENDENTLY. Accordingly, there will ALWAYS be have and have not’s, kkthx.

The disparity between the top four servers (JQ, SoR, BG, TC) continues to mount. As such, I certainly hope that ANet has fully thought the league concept out so that the disparity does NOT continue to grow, but in fact, hopefully shrinks.

Brafius.7432:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJAWSlUg67WFyLEf4ERWBRi9AjZsjXPcYCZIA-jEDBoLBiCEgiAhIAK7pIasltht6KalXBRZDTDjIq2cORG0DrWKgyFGB-w

I see that you still have SY up…..again, as mentioned/indicated, unless running small group stuff or roaming, get rid of it for contemplation of purity or whatever you deem. SY in a mid-to-large group WvW environment will simply get you near-instantly dropped IF one does not have a major cleanser used right after using SY, like contemplation of purity, purging flames, etc.

Jericho.4521:

You DON’T need 30 Zeal w/ 30 Radiance to do damage, in fact that’s a pretty poor option just fyi.

Bingo! The problem is, we get PvE pugs coming onto WvW and consistently thinking that their vaunted PvE builds will somehow miraculously work in a WvW environment. A poor option…and rude awakening indeed. But hey, I love those guys cause they drop like wilted paper near instantaneously – helps with my total number of WvW kills, you know. :P ;-)

Bash.7291:

Rev

Last I looked on BG (given I was in HB and ran a lot with MERC, BT, GoF and ICoA), you guys are few and in-between.

Yes, the OP could opt for a healway, full support, etc. if he is running primarily mid-to-large zerg type WvW environments. I am sure that once he gets into WvW and runs a lot of zerg environments, he will adjust his build accordingly. Personally, I enjoy running around with 2250+ toughness, 3450+ armor, 1950+ power, 30% CC and CD along with 19350+ health (even more since I finally completed the fortitude boost – also, the stats indicated are unbuffed) with Soldier runes.

How much zerg fighting have you done in WvW to date, Brafius?

Is this a WvW small group and/or roam build? What Tier are you in? Your toughness levels concern me, armor value is decent. If I may, I am going to offer a much better build that is comparable to yours but its survivability is far more than yours.

Again, this is just an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2oZjIuKX0&list=TLmtkx4Cl4NNQ

hotfreak.5907:

Rigel, this sounds like just what I’m looking for. Seems like it would work in dungeons, too. What do you run for skills besides well of corruption, well of suffering and spectral walk — or are you always using those?

I admit, I run mainly those but there are other fine choices to use depending on what the user wants and the WvW situations you may run into. Those three work very nicely for me so far.

As for how this build would fair in a dungeon, dunno, I designed this necro to solely do WvW along with my Guardian main – in other words, when I run with the guild I belong to, I primarily use my Guardian and when I run with other guilds, like MERC, etc., I typically run my necro. That being said, I have used my necro for PvE content and have had no difficulties thus far, so I would imagine, once you got used to the build in say a dungeon environment, the build should be pretty solid.

Thank you Jeezus that I do not use epidemic, at all….

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I don’t play WvW so I can’t comment on that. I can tell you that 0/5/30/30/5 is bad. Like, you could actively be trying to make the worst possible build and it’d still be better than that.

As your comment above illustrates, if you do not play WvW and know the common Guardian setups in WvW, then simply do not comment, you think. A 0/5/30/30/5 is not bad and is quite doable and effective in a WvW environment. I have no doubt that you would proclaim a 0/0/30/30/10 build garbage too, huh? Yeah, stick with what you know – PvE – cause you are simply clueless about WvW.

Lampshade.7569:

Then again, nothing wrong with some inspiration, heres what I run:

30 II X XI
10 V
0
10 II
20 Situational swap between III VI VII VIII IX X

Axe+Shield / Longbow.
All items berserker.

Nice build, try this one out. ;-P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r4E9N50lTs

Tommyknocker.6089:

Rigel.3092, 3700 attack looks quite impressive, could I get you to post gear/runes/sigils and traits. I am always looking to try new things and although I am more comfortable with ds than with the undead rat, I’ll give it a go, thanks.

All PVT gear, weapons, accessories.
Soldier crests in everything
Sigils are bloodlust on axe, dagger, and staff.

Trait layout is as indicated previously: 0/10/30/30/0 but I have also run this as a 0/0/30/30/10
0
10 = III
30 = V, IV or VII, VIII
30 = II, VIII, VI
0/10 = (IV or whatever you feel you want to utilize)

Food buffs in screenshot were:
Plate of Orrian Steak Frittes (but you can use any power adding food you desire)
Superior Sharpening Stones.

I have this same build using the same as above EXCEPT it uses Melandru Runes in place of the Soldier crests in the armor and buffs with lemongrass and sup. sharpening stones which gives me about a 200 power reduction overall – instead of 2700+ its 2500+ but still is quite effective despite the power reduction. The Melandru runes and lemongrass give the build a bit more effectiveness in a Guardian and Warrior hammer spike and necro mark-heavy WvW environment (like running against IRON, FEAR, ACO, TW, etc. since I play on BG and play mainly in a guild zerg + pugs environment – not roaming or small group).

I use the build to lead a zerg into combat using Plague and spamming blind, blind, and blind (and the chills traited) while the frontliners do the spiking and killing. It nets me copious amounts of bags…simply love the build – fits my playstyle a lot.

“Balance” with an all zerker geared Guardian is questionable/dubious, at best. But if you are all about “fun,” the build should suffice for some within a PvE environment.

Jester, what exactly is the build really being designed for – is it largely for WvW roaming or small group roaming? If so, personally, designing this as purely a condition build is or has severely decreased the builds survivability in a WvW environment, in my honest opinion – in other words, there are far better WvW Guardian builds to be had that would grant greater sustained and burst damage along with survivability than this current designed build. But in the end, give it a run in a WvW environment.

1000 ectos sitting in bank, sweet.

We often use Rampage at the end of our WvW sessions to simply go and knock peeps up into the air, it is hilarious, especially when equipped with ele’s fiery greatsword.

Foot in the grave is not required nor is near to death. I run a 0/10/30/30/0 full PVT WvW necro frontline tank build, axe/dagger with staff, and get (with food buffs and 25 stacks fo bloodlust) 2700 power over 3700 attack with 2K toughness, near 3K armor and near 30K health and have very little stability issues unless focus-fired. In any case, use Melandru runes and reduced conditions food if you do experience stability issues, saves you having to trait to skirt stability issues.
http://i39.tinypic.com/np5lbp.jpg

80+ three merged SoR zergs at Woodhaven right now……do NOT EVER talk about Blackgate blobbing again, SoR, kkthx. =.=

Oxxy.7068:

Unless you’re going after an staff with healing power there is no reason to go after it before other weapons, tagging shouldn’t be top priority unless you run inside your fluffy and comfy zerg 24/7 (and if you’re in a zerg, you might as well run with an green staff), empower and symbol of swiftness have no scaling aside from boon duration and line of warding doesn’t scale with anything at all.
I think his question is pretty valid.

First off, there are distinct step-ups for either roaming or playing within them alleged “fluffy and comfy” zergs, Oxxy. Given the vast majority of the WvW population of any server plays within the confines of a guild or guild +pug zerg (which then begs the question of what or how do you define a “zerg”), the question was ludicrous as it relates to a support guardian, again, given most guardians within WvW are SUPPORT GUARDIAN’s using staff + GS, staff + hammer, staff + mace/shield or the oh so few support guardians that play GS and hammer or hammer + mace/shield. See the common theme here, Oxxy? Staff use….. =.=

Yaki.9563:

style.6173:

For WvW? Staff
For PvE? GS

You use staff to do damage in WvW?

You use staff for a multitude of reasons…tagging is a large part, healing, might building, line of warding, etc. – do you actually play WvW or simply roam with your zerker guardian? ^^

Norn…./15 chars

Polismassa.6740:

You may have noticed that we tried to keep up the pressure on you guys all night, take that as a compliment, we considered you to be far more of a threat than the SoR group on the map xD.

Emphasis added: Yeah, we had some discussions in our TS channel about the possible reasons behind why you guys were living in our collective behinds and not messing with SoR, but its all good, we had some really nice fights.

Congratulations SoR and to JQ. Well fought this week.

Ascii.9726:

The fact you said “why do you even have Plague Form on this?” makes me and every single teamfight Necro laugh in your face. You don’t know what your talking about so stop posting.

I, as with the guild I am in, have long crossed swords with you and TW, much respect. That said, this is the first time I have actually taken the time to read the entirety of this thread…and having run across the above quoted mention. All I can say is that I fully concur with your sentiments, as some others here have already done. The only thing I can add to what I have read and quoted is….wow, just wow….unreal.

haviz.1340:

Maybe because enemy players don’t deal 25k with their skills.

Apparently, you do not play WvW, eh? No players, as in a single player, do not do 25K, but in a WvW environment, you can get 25K++++ damage amassed on you in a quick tenth of a minute. Come join us, cause WvW is so much frakin’ fun over the same ole PvE farm happy kittens.