Guild Wars 2

Stand The Wall.6987:

is a dev
understands point of post
employs hot system anyway
wonders why no one plays
now has to find new job
repeats
wonders why
has to scrounge for food off of diner tables
wonders why
life is hard all over
oh well give em what they dont want cuz logic
and first world problems
check your privilege bro

i lol’d 10/10

Honestly, I dread these balance sweeps: cutting skills effects in half, reducing cooldowns by 60%, completely ignoring fundamental issues with certain classes. This isn’t really balance.

They just force the meta. It’s pretty toxic IMO.

Legendary Crafting

kappa

NeXeD.3042:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

The vocal minority is only a minority, cuz the rest of our majority, who were upset, demoralized and simply not having fun because of the unenjoyable experience which the new system (i.e., winners w/ winners against losers and losers w/ losers against winners – gee, guess who will win?) inflicted upon them have already quit the game … hence long queues anyway and lower base.

I would suggest to all of u that think its my skill that stuck my in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak (in ruby now), that its the system which carried you to where u don’t belong either.

Glad ur all having fun tho! Come on my account, and see how fun it is – even w/ u playing, doing ur best – I already have seen pros try to help and they say the team support is abysmal once mmr gets tanked. So yah, um, real fun.

And besides, even if ur having fun, and the majority of players are having fun (which I don’t believe – I believe that is actually the vocal minority made up of system-carried wannabees), why should anyone on this game not have fun. Its a game. Its supposed to be fun. I paid my money, just like each of you. I was told it would be fair, balanced pvp competition (as it was in gw1). I want fun. Why has any system been designed to punish any player, especially those suffering long losing streaks? How is that fun? Why should they have to go thru that when it is advertised as being fun – not a demoralizing downward grind?

Get over yourselves. People are legitimately complaining (yes, in here) about a serious problem in matchmaking which has ruined the pvp experience for them. Anet is aware, and is hopefully correcting everything (I have faith in them) for seas 3 and thereafter.

In the meantime, if your having fun …. go do it. Go play the game have fun and shut up and empathize once in awhile with ppl having the completely opposite experience. Stop trolling in here, rubbing losing players noses into the ground further. Its not nice.

If you want to state that your having fun fine. Support Anet. I do, I love the game. I buy endlessly. I support good decisions and recommend the game to friends.

But in the process of stating how much fun youre having (and I believe it, cuz the system is skewed), you don’t need to go the extra step and attempt to ridiculously discredit all of the people having zero fun. Even if players losing streaks are 100% their own faults (which is absolutely stupid to believe), letting them know how kitten a player they are doesn’t help. I’m pretty sure us losers all get it. I’m pretty sure we’ve heard all of your uni-messages (like a broken record with only one message) – we suck, and you don’t. You belong where you are and we belong where we are – only you’re having fun and we’re not. GJ! And gg!

Actually I’ve said multiple times I’m not a great player. But that only makes me more confident when I say alot of these players that say they are in MMR hell probably belong in the division they are in….. If I’m able to do what I’m doing in these games than the people I’m playing against probably aren’t good and it becomes pretty obvious when they can’t figure out to dodge glint elite. Or they unload on me when I hit glint heal…. I can keep going…. but I think it’s pointless.

Some of you may have legitimate cases where maybe you are getting screwed with teammates and opponents and whatnot….. but I bet it’s more of a one guy said it now every says it type of thing.

I’m currently mid-diamond, a friend is now legendary. We qued a 27 losses 3 wins phase in Sapphire. (not a personal attack) By the logic of the forums we should both be Sapphire tier players and need to l2p.

This is not a system that works.

If we were casual we wouldn’t have pushed.

(again, not a personal attack) I know a lot of people on here think ‘git gud’ is the answer to most of the complaints but really, if the system was working as intended there wouldn’t be this many complaints. It would be fantastic if people would take a step back from their own experience and look at the sheer amount of complaints and perhaps, even just a little, give some thought to that ‘ya, maybe this system is broken’.

Thank you for the information.

Hi All,

What T1/T2 servers in NA have good pug zergs?

Who are considered as having the best open tag commanders/pugs?

(I’m an EU now living in NA so I don’t really know what’s what over here).

Thanks in advance

Just quit man.

Like, that’s the only actual message that can be sent.

Leet0 is the saltiest man alive and an absolutely incredible necro

You should visit the WvW matchup forums, the inter-server community is not nearly as friendly as you might think ^^

Rieselle.5079:

Your understanding is wrong, because you still remember the S1 matchmaking.

In S1:
- Get 10 players.
- Sort them into teams, trying to balance MMR between the teams. Giving each team a mix of good and bad players.

In Season 2, the matchmaking doesnt do the “Get 10 players” part. Here’s how I read the algorithm:

- Find 5 players with similar MMR to each other, within pip range. Make them into a team. Repeat this step until all the teams are formed.

- Get 2 teams that are within the pip range (as calculated by the highest pip member), and form a match.

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So in season 2, its not “Get 10 players and put the best 5 into one team and the worst 5 into the other.”, the system forms teams with similar MMR and pip range, and then forms matches.

So your opposing team could have a higher MMR, equal, or lower. If your MMR is average for your pip range, then your teammates will be average, and you’re most likely to get average opponents too.

The problem comes when your MMR is below average for your division. You’re teammates will also be below average for the division, but your opponents will most likely be average.

In a proper system (at higher divisions in GW2) you’ll lose pips and divisions (but you won’t lose much MMR because you’re facing higher MMR opponents).

This means, eventually you’ll lose divisions until your MMR is once again average for your division.

The problem with GW2, is that you can’t lose divisions until you get past Ruby. So there are many players stuck on Ruby and below, who have below-average MMR for their division, who can’t go down any further.

This means there’s a pool of players who have below-average MMR for their division, who are often getting matched against teams with average MMR, causing the losing streaks.

The solution is to allow for division loss all the way through the ladder. If you absolutely must have a grindy “training division”, then just leave amber as it is. But Emerald and Sapphire should have the same rules as the rest of the league.

Firstly, solid post, I would add tho that you missed out a pretty important element in that when you lose a game your MMR lowers so worse teammates, then repeat.

Browrain.7346:

RlyOsim.2497:

Browrain.7346:

RlyOsim.2497:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.

Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.

Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.

Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?

You keep using this word ‘prestige’ and while I’m sure you understand the meaning of the word I’m not quite sure you understand the context you’re using it in.
This is a link to Twitch for Guild Wars 2 channels and while I have no idea what time of day you’ll check this I am certain there will be 2-3 streamers at this ‘prestige’ level you talk about actually playing the game. This is the section of the community you’re appealing to? The balance is broken, the que times are broken, the HOTM queuing is broken, the mismatch of teams taking place during queuing is broken and you’re worried about a superficial system placed on top of all that?

Beyond all that, as a company you (Anet) made this game appeal to the casual, now you’re rocking in here talking about elite players. Um, what? You (Anet) implemented a system that forces ‘average’ players to regularly get rofl stomped and then punishes them with increasingly bad matches because of it. It’s surprising people have issue with this current matching system? Have you seen Wildstar lately, how did that work out?

Honestly, it’s like watching someone falling out of a wheelchair. The sooner this games dies the better for all concerned.

Prestige isn’t hard to understand. The harder it is to get to legendary, the more prestigious that division becomes. The only thing you and others are arguing is that you think it’s mainly the mmr system screwing you over and not that maybe you could improve your gameplay and eventually climb the divisions.

You should reread what I wrote, I was discussing the wider context of the term.

Also, I didn’t mention a single thing about my own progression.

You didn’t have to mention your progression. I’ve seen enough of these posts to know when someone isn’t progressing and proceeds to come to the forums.

The personal attacks man, you have literally no idea who I am. This isn’t an ‘us’ and ‘them’ thing, this is a discussion. Lots of people seem to think they have to white knight this system, which really is just as bad as the git gud people you seem to have issue with. We can just sit here and have a discussion just as easily as attacking eachother for no reason.

Chill or bait, whatever floats your boat but contribute at least.

Condi mesmer is the most boring kitten ever to play. And double moa is broken overpowered. I’m a mesmer main.

Make zerker cool again.

Browrain.7346:

RlyOsim.2497:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.

Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.

Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.

Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?

You keep using this word ‘prestige’ and while I’m sure you understand the meaning of the word I’m not quite sure you understand the context you’re using it in.
This is a link to Twitch for Guild Wars 2 channels and while I have no idea what time of day you’ll check this I am certain there will be 2-3 streamers at this ‘prestige’ level you talk about actually playing the game. This is the section of the community you’re appealing to? The balance is broken, the que times are broken, the HOTM queuing is broken, the mismatch of teams taking place during queuing is broken and you’re worried about a superficial system placed on top of all that?

Beyond all that, as a company you (Anet) made this game appeal to the casual, now you’re rocking in here talking about elite players. Um, what? You (Anet) implemented a system that forces ‘average’ players to regularly get rofl stomped and then punishes them with increasingly bad matches because of it. It’s surprising people have issue with this current matching system? Have you seen Wildstar lately, how did that work out?

Honestly, it’s like watching someone falling out of a wheelchair. The sooner this games dies the better for all concerned.

Prestige isn’t hard to understand. The harder it is to get to legendary, the more prestigious that division becomes. The only thing you and others are arguing is that you think it’s mainly the mmr system screwing you over and not that maybe you could improve your gameplay and eventually climb the divisions.

You should reread what I wrote, I was discussing the wider context of the term.

Also, I didn’t mention a single thing about my own progression.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.

Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.

Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.

Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?

You keep using this word ‘prestige’ and while I’m sure you understand the meaning of the word I’m not quite sure you understand the context you’re using it in.
This is a link to Twitch for Guild Wars 2 channels and while I have no idea what time of day you’ll check this I am certain there will be 2-3 streamers at this ‘prestige’ level you talk about actually playing the game. This is the section of the community you’re appealing to? The balance is broken, the que times are broken, the HOTM queuing is broken, the mismatch of teams taking place during queuing is broken and you’re worried about a superficial system placed on top of all that?

Beyond all that, as a company you (Anet) made this game appeal to the casual, now you’re rocking in here talking about elite players. Um, what? You (Anet) implemented a system that forces ‘average’ players to regularly get rofl stomped and then punishes them with increasingly bad matches because of it. It’s surprising people have issue with this current matching system? Have you seen Wildstar lately, how did that work out?

Honestly, it’s like watching someone falling out of a wheelchair. The sooner this games dies the better for all concerned.

Sustain + damage (stealth if you going full yolo). Whatever does that for you will work.

So it’ll be this friday so?

What they did to mesmer after s1 they are going to do to necro after s2.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Extremely bad mannered to /dance in a 1v1 while running such a low skill build.
Walking around with 45k effective hp isn’t exactly risk/reward in anything outside a 1v3 situation.

Still, I watched the whole video so thanks for the entertainment

Hi,

If I move an account from an EU server to an NA one will I keep my PvP league progression?

Gaile Gray.6029:

RlyOsim — You’re right, of course. But, too, collective desires can change over time, can shift, can be better defined or reprioritized. I think it’s helpful — and thanks for participating — to get a view in the here-and-now.

Peazomanco — I see what you did there.

Loosmaster.8263:

The key to what you do is you forward the information or flag the threads and you let us know you did it.

I did it.

If you ever want to give a random internet person a good laugh I’d love to see a post of Anet’s general WvW perceived desires. Should make a 10/10 read based on the new bl’s ^^

Firstly, there have been countless CDI’s and a massive number of threads on this already, that Anet are posting in here to say they are ‘watching this space’ is perhaps indicative of their ‘we don’t have a clue’ approach. Regardless:

1) Manual Upgrades
2) Not just less PvE, no PvE would be ideal
3) Wp’s all can use in the various keeps
4) Revert stab changes
5) Server merges

Early sapphire, 5 signet warrior.

5.

Signet.

Warrior.

#workingasintended

“can someone come close at the start incase someone comes to attack me?”

in-case.

In-case.

Celeras.4980:

If you can’t progress, then your ladder standing is currently where it belongs. Deal with it.

Is that ‘your’ meant to mean solo, duo, trio, quad or full team?

Think, then type.

You better shut the truck up and get back to the gemstore.
- Anet

#infractioninc

Loosmaster.8263:

RlyOsim.2497:

Dire ranger in a zerg. Good one.

On a serious note: necro, rev or ele. Rev atm is very strong, necro is a monster too in the right hands and ele does a bit of everything and is always welcome

And a bonus tip: don’t ever run a dire anything in a zerg.

Some people just can’t think outside the box. Your choice to pew pew.

Running over 3k armor on a 1500 ranged class + running zero power in a zerg setting isn’t outside the box, it’s just wrong.

I’m 100% not trying to attack you but really sit down and look at what your build is actually doing. Before you say condi damage go to meta battle and look at the main GWEN builds and see how much individual and group condi cleanse they run/have. Just because you survive a fight and manage to tag people doesn’t mean a build is useful.

Goodluck with it

Rev offers more all around utility. Honestly, their hammer 2 skill alone when traited is enough to justify a rev. That added to the fact they provide perma swiftness, fury and 5-10 stacks of might for their party puts them in a pretty good place.

Mains be mains and will tell you differently but go to Youtube and search some recent gvg’s and count how many rangers you see. There’s reasons they aren’t used.

Maybe an actual good way of viewing the backline would be:
Rev – very strong single target, some aoe, group utility
Necro – massive burst, strong single target, did I mention the massive burst?
Ele – solid aoe damage, great cc/utility and absolutely needed for their water fields
Mesmer – stealth, portal bot

Goodluck with it

Dire ranger in a zerg. Good one.

On a serious note: necro, rev or ele. Rev atm is very strong, necro is a monster too in the right hands and ele does a bit of everything and is always welcome

And a bonus tip: don’t ever run a dire anything in a zerg.

manual upgrades need to be a thing.

if people don’t feel invested they play less.

added to this afking at an empty t3 tower while a friendly is opening it is absolutely terrible gameplay.

neither defenders or attackers care.

please kitten move reset back to friday

Dawdler.8521:

RlyOsim.2497:

they are fantastic changes tho, wvw has for too long rewarded second rate players for simply showing up.

Which unfortunetly is one of the main reasons WvW is even played as WvW, instead of GvG.

Anyway, now we only need reset to be moved back to friday too…

to take off my negatron hat, its a good thing the low skilled players have a place where they can feel accomplished but its a bad thing they have no reason to get better. they do now tho!

and 100% agree on moving reset.

going to be a whole lot of tears when those rally bot guilds fielding 40-50 people cant rally 15 times per fight.

also more tears from the ppt crowd when gvging at south camp becomes a legitimate strategy.

they are fantastic changes tho, wvw has for too long rewarded second rate players for simply showing up.

I que on thief to lower (hopefully) the odds of getting one on my team. Swap before game starts.

#eports

Ithilwen.1529:

I expect Mesmer to be crippled blatantly and DragonHunter buffed.

With all the eyes on GW’s pvp after HoT dropped and the absolute disgrace it became I fully expect mesmer to be nerfed into the ground.

#eports

this condi meta is the most boring kitten ever

and im pretty much out o/

cough
meta critic
cough

Siegelazer, new npc.

Actually, if that Charr dude in the PvE went to the mists and became a wizard, maybe Siegerazer did some your-a-wizard manoeuvres and became that mid-event.

I just blew my own mind.

My biggest issue: what’s the point in roaming/havok?

Once upon a time a group of 5 could make sure a keep didn’t upgrade for many hours if they were focused. Smaller numbers of defenders mattered also, walk a dolly, defend a camp, siege a tower. Now what’s the point? That whole eco-system is pretty much redundant now.

Not exactly related but certainly in the same vein is the central event. It seems it was an event designed for roamers but if a server shows up with 50 people they will always win. What’s the point?

People will learn the new maps but the mechanics in the maps are ill conceived and harmful to community interaction/actual WvW and may greatly increase the rate of erosion in the WvW playerbase.

Possible solutions:
- Some manner in which human interaction triggers upgrades
- Upgrade timers (not supply amount) dependant on dollys getting in
- A flat bonus amount of points or a multiplier on the map for tick from the central event
- A tournament to actually get people into the maps

Last thing, should a dev ever read this, there is a ton of new people in WvW atm and the experience is, to be frank, lame. A few quick reactions might actual increase retention….

The auto-upgrades are a really poor design decision, just makes the maps a ‘zerg or go home’ place. Extremely frustrating as a roamer/havok player, I mean, why even bother going to the bl’s to spend 40 minutes flipping 2 towers (with zero resistance)? Nonsense.

Possible fix:
3 players must press a button/pull a lever in the objective in order to start an upgrade.

I’ve been having this problem since HoT released.
Also, when the skill is interrupted (from an outside source) it at times goes on full cooldown.

All the threads in the WvW forums and this is what they choose to look at.

Jesus H Christ.

Hi All,

Since this is an issue I’ve been having with necro specifically I wanted to ask if anyone else using Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption has noticed these go on full cooldown when interrupted and zero damage is dealt?

Specifically, this has been happening in WvW and is triggered by PvE mobs.

Oh No!

What will players that can’t fight and don’t live in the EU timezone do now?

FYI for people that are interested:

AFAIK the exploit was people using WvW tournament tickets to buy Wexp consumables (thimbles, kegs, that sort of thing) and speed leveling the hero points.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Why did we have to go to reddit to find this out? Why was this not posted in official forums .I hate that.

Huge +1

Why is a PvE hub have to be information for WvW related content :/

Hi All,

Just a friendly reminder that EU servers are almost always happy to welcome NA guilds onto their servers.

Get your Google on.

I understand your point Gaile that the comments should be constructive but that people are somewhat annoyed when these changes are dropped unexplained into a gamemode that is the definition of the Soon™ approach is surely not very surprising?

On point:
These changes really hit hard at a core facet of a community based gametype. Friday for WvW guilds is when everyone makes an effort to get online, end of the week, crack a beer, have a laugh with some guildies/friends; it’s at the core of WvW. Saturday a lot of people are out doing IRL stuff.

More on point:
I could write a small book here about why these changes aren’t ideal but it’s nothing that hasn’t been mentioned already in this thread. I’m sure it will be reevaluated, soon no doubt.

John Corpening.9847:

Hello All,

There are a couple of reasons for the change to reset time. One is for the overall quality of the game. The last few years we have been careful to not disrupt the WvW reset time but this has at times made it difficult for our team to address issues during reset day. This change will give our team an extra day of the week that they can use to respond to issues that may occur with WvW or any other area of the game if it is necessary. In the early days we wanted reset to be during a weekday to ensure we had people available to monitor the game at reset time, but at this point we have seen the ongoing stability of World vs. World and resetting on a weekday is no longer necessary.

Another reason is the emergent gameplay that has come from reset. It has become one of the most exciting times for WvW and we would really love for more players to have the opportunity to experience it. We have many more players logging in on Saturday than on Friday which means with this change many more people will be available to experience the rush of claiming objectives for their world during reset.

However, given the concerns posted here we will be moving the Saturday reset to earlier in the day to give most players the majority of the day to enjoy the start of the new match. Immediately after launch the new time will be 11am PDT / 2pm EDT (6 pm UTC) for NA and 11am BST / 12 pm CEST (10 am UTC) for EU. Keep in mind that the following week with the end of Daylight Savings Time / Summer Time the reset times will be pushed even earlier to 10am PST/ 1pm EST and 10am GMT / 11am CET.

Thank you for your feedback. We realize that no time we pick is going to work for everyone but this change is going to benefit even more players overall while at the same time giving us a little more breathing room to improve the quality of the game during the week.

Thanks,
John

Seriously guys, this is a horrid change.

Please listen to the vast majority of your customers/playerbase.

Transferred off SBI 3 weeks ago.

Some good fight guilds there but the “pugs” (Mag and CD included) on those servers are very unskilled in zvz fights. Playing the same thing every week is not exactly how you improve….

You folks should really be more vocal about the situation and push Anet for variety as you are going to be in for a rude awakening if/when you come against servers where the randoms are trained.

Same tier in EU is a whole other story btw:
http://wvwmatchups.azurewebsites.net/#Maguuma
http://wvwmatchups.azurewebsites.net/#Gandara