You really know nothing about me. I play this game for fun. I couldn’t even begin to care if my alts can do fractals, I only run dungeons, fractals, WvW and basically anything that isn’t the open world with my main.
It personally effected me even less than that. It benefitted me not at all. I have never described my personal interest in this because it’s of absolutely no relevance to any of these discussions. I have only ever stated the situation as it actually exists. I have used intuition, experience, rational thinking and logic to describe the actions of ANet so those here would be informed and do the same. I don’t want you to lose anything, I don’t want to gain anything, I don’t want the reverses of those either. My personal desires are of no relevance. I honestly don’t care what happens either way, I’m just telling you what is.
You make it sounds like we don’t see what is going on and we’re blind to everything that’s happening around us. You keep saying that Anet will not respond. You know that how? There is still that little hope we keep on clinging to that maybe, just maybe Anet will shine through it all even after all this time. What you’ve been doing is not “informing us”, but trying to take that hope away from us little by little with every post you make. You are not helping us cope with the reality that it is now, rather you’re trying to hit us with it harder than the reality itself intends to hurt us.
We so see what is going on in here. We witnessed first hand what happened. It’s a fact at this point. There is no rational thinking required to see what is going on. The fact is that we still post here because even though we were hurt in one way or another (weather you believe it or not), we still believe in Anet to set things right, even after all this time.
What happened, happened. We just want to hear how they felt about it. Hear what they have to say after the feedback they’ve collected. Have they used any suggestions we gave, or did they simply just thrown it away. We do not deserve anything. That part is right and sadly, I agree with you on that. It was a fact from the beginning of this topic. But does that take away our right to ask? Does that take away our right to strive for information? Even wanting compensation. We have the right to want the compensation, even if we do not deserve it.
The fact that this topic stayed up this long, even though as you mentioned earlier only a handful people are still posting in here, it’s because that handful of people still have some faith left in Anet. Don’t take it away.
What I bolded is exactly it. Some of their arguments have been that we shouldn’t get anything because no one would have been able to get whatever we get after the fact. That us getting anything isn’t fair. However, us losing our levels and getting nothing is absolutely fair because of leaderboards, or “exploits”, or majority rule, or…. You get the picture.
Yup. That pretty much was it from the very beginning.
I really don’t know why some posters do not want to receive answers. I mean, everybody knows that small minds cannot handle all the answers, but in this case we are not speaking about high philosophical questions. Everybody should be able to process the information coming from a dev answer.
So, to those people who say that we doesn’t deserve an answer (YES, I know this isn’t the wording you are using, but the concept is similar), care to elaborate why YOU don’t want US to get an answer, even a vague one, from ANet? Thank you.
PS: In case it wasn’t clear for some, you can count me on the ones who would really appreciate answers about ANYTHING that has been written during 2 weeks, because even if I really enjoyed most of the new contents, it is really mind blogging that not even a single member of ANet staff has found the time to read at least the OP of a single thread in this section AND give an answer after the patch came out.
The answer to this question is simpler than you think. People like Kal have lost absolutely nothing. They were probably stuck in heir personal reward level 29 while doing level 28 fractal over and over again without any need to progress nor level any alts. That update not only it didn’t affect their personal level, it also lowered the rewards requirement to teens instead of upper 20s. This way they can keep doing level 10-19 instead of 28. They can also bring their alts into fractals now without lifting a finger leveling those. In these people’s eyes, this update was the best thing that ever happened. Sadly they’re in state of mind where as long as it benefits them it benefits everyone. And to them we are asking for too much, since the update gave them everything they could possibly want. When it comes to compensation for lost levels their mindset is something along the lines of: “If I don’t get anything, why should you?”
All that can be easily seen in all the posts from these players.
Yeah, that is really all we’re asking for. A response. Because we went 3 weeks waiting. The CC said they were gathering feedback. And nothing.
They said they were gathering feedback. When did they say they were going to share anything back with us?
How’s that polite?
+1 for trying…
Kind of makes you wonder if Kiel was really chosen by the players, doesn’kitten
The only thing that’s preventing this from happening is the Mount-Obsessed group of people that would literally go crazy if they saw something like this implemented.
And I was here during the snowflake exploit (never care about it btw) and people used exactly the same excuses using here. Just saying.
Wow… You guys all talk like we’re getting rich or something… It’s a salvage robot that was specifically sold to people that go through extreme amount of salvage kits a day. Obviously not going out there and salvaging tons of exotics and rares with it, since it much better to use Mystic Kit.
The fact is, if this was in fact considered an exploit (which I highly doubt), Anet would jump on it the day it was mentioned. It’s been two weeks now without any Anet involvement. Do the logical thinking. We’re talking copper here, not gold.
You probably could have saved yourself a lot of grief if you’d accepted it back when the rest of the community did. Nothing that has been said in the last five pages, at least, is anything that would warrant them to turn around and actually post something here. There just is no actual, legitimate, reason for them to do so.
You mean accept what exactly? That we’re being rewarded for not playing the content and getting all of our alts bumped to a very high level we have previously achieved on a single character? Oh wait, that was only you and rest of “that community” that never cared for fractals and in fact, still doesn’t care a single bit for them. The only thing that I agree with you is that in last 5 pages, not a single post (made by you) meant anything at all to any of us.
We probably have to wait one more year then until they open the level cap and can see the weapon chests… Im not getting my sword … Im just not gettin it…
By the time that happens, we’ll all be reset to level 30 again, so the “competition can begin at its earnest” again.
Possibly waiting on 51+ for ascended armor to land first. Then more AR exists by default, and so does more need for higher agony… If the next patch is ascended armor, I’d expect another 10-60 levels to be released soon after.
I wouldn’t hold my breath to any more level being released in the next 4-6 months. It wouldn’t fit in their plans in any way. Unless they’ll hold another election.
That would be a horrible idea. Your party would not be able to have a) guardians, b) elementalists, c) sb thieves ,d) pretty much any AoE or melee class.
Whoever is in charge of medium armor hates us.
Lol-ed… so kitten true…
Sadly u guys got more love than we did from the person that’s in charge of heavy armor…
For all we know this is an intended change, not an exploit.
It wouldn’t be the first time a change gets made and the corresponding tooltip doesn’t get updated.
I don’t really care either way, but I’ll be continuing to use my salvage kit as I always have.
That’s a fair point. It has been used by many people before. “If Anet didn’t want me jumping on this boat, they would just put an invisible wall there”
So please, cuz I’m dying to see your logic in this. What do you expect people to do? Stop using it till Anet decides to give any kind of response? We’re using it to salvage stuff, not to make money…
Doesn’t sound very joking-ly?
Does it? I bought this game, so I should be able to play it how I want, according to you guys. However, I would get banned for exploiting. Apparently unless I only exploit a little bit, with your logic.
Then use your own logic. You can’t ban everyone that bought the kit. Everyone bought it to use it every day for everyday purposes. How’s that an exploit? I use it for whites, greens and blues still, while using mystic on rares because I want to be 100% sure I’m getting better stuff. And then u have the entire chunk of population that is not even aware that’s anything different.
Exploiting is using something in unintended manner to get unintended results. I bought the kit to use it every day on my everyday crappy drops. You’re telling me I’m exploiting because it drops extra 6-7 coppers on average use? How’s that my fault? I’m not gonna stop using it just because there is some allegation from some players that it’s doing more than it’s supposed to. If you don’t want to use it, don’t. Simple.
They aren’t replacing it because its ugly, they’re replacing it because its Human T3 cultural armor available for a cheaper price and to all races instead of only humans, and a lot of people were understandably upset by that fact. “Ugly” is subjective anyway, you might not like them but most likely someone does. So changing anything based on some people thinking its “ugly” would be a bad idea. There needs to be a better reason than that.
Now, I would agree they should redo all of them. Not because they’re ugly, though. Because taking existing armors and adding a few flames to them is lame and a cheap way to sell armor, and they should be better than that. But whatever, apparently Anet doesn’t feel that way, so they’re not going to be changed.
That’s all and good. But for the sake of an argument, let pretend light wasn’t T3 human cultural. At that point, looking at the quality of details and design, Light armor is far superior to the given heavy and medium. Given that some people might like it (I saw few of them wearing medium one), but when it comes to the shift in quality between light and medium/heavy, it’s just… well… not fair.
Up till now all the armors they came out with clearly showed the obvious attention to detail and workmanship. And each set, regardless if you liked one more than the other showed that some quality work was put into them. In case of this particular sets (even if we take out the element of reworking already existing armor sets) when u look at them, you can clearly see that way more work was put into detail and craftsmanship on light armor over what medium and heavy was given.
The debate is not about “I think it’s ugly” and “I think it’s good looking”, it’s about the quality of the armors given. The shift is quite noticeable, which makes some classes more unhappy than others.
Ethics is obviously tr-JOKING and doesn’t seriously believe that you’ll be banned.
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Oh, so it doesn’t really count if you only exploit a little. Okay, crystal clear now. Thanks.
Doesn’t sound very joking-ly?
I understand they wanted to give each class something nice looking. But considering how good the T3 Light Human is, why did you choose one of the ugliest karma armors in the game for heavy? To be honest, when I first heard that new armors were out, I had my gems saved up and I couldn’t wait to get home from work to see the new awesome armor, because till now u really didn’t disappoint. All that just to see that thing in the gemstore… U can basically buy that karma set for less than 1000 karma… Why pick that one, out of all available ones? Why not T3 Norn if u were going for cultural?
Poor comparison. The player base did not “Hack” to get the salvage o matic to work as it does currently. If it turns out to b e a mistake on Anets part then it will get reverted back in a small patch. You people are so paranoid.
People who salvaged snowflakes did not “hack” to get the snowflake and salvage kits. Yet they were all banned. Anet seems pretty clear on this stance.
If I was to salvage a rare armor and get some materials and rare armor back, then I can see how that would be an exploit. Otherwise, a few extra copper is barely any excuse of an exploit.
Oh, so it doesn’t really count if you only exploit a little. Okay, crystal clear now. Thanks.
I’m using my Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic that I paid for. That is all. You can’t penalize me for using something I bought to use. Using an item that u paid with gems is not an exploit. With all those minor runes and sigils it’s actually becoming an nuisance at this point. I’m not getting any richer with this.
If Anet doesn’t want me to use it, then give me my gems back.
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Poor comparison. The player base did not “Hack” to get the salvage o matic to work as it does currently. If it turns out to b e a mistake on Anets part then it will get reverted back in a small patch. You people are so paranoid.
People who salvaged snowflakes did not “hack” to get the snowflake and salvage kits. Yet they were all banned. Anet seems pretty clear on this stance.
Does that mean I’m not allowed to use something I clearly bought for a specific purpose of using constantly? I mean at the moment salvaging with basic or mystic salvage kit is still luck based when it comes to runes and sigils, and to be honest 90% of runes and sigils we get from them is just worthless pieces cluttering my inventory. So I don’t see how’s that an exploit at all. If I was to salvage a rare armor and get some materials and rare armor back, then I can see how that would be an exploit. Otherwise, a few extra copper is barely any excuse of an exploit.
So…. How’s that feedback collection going, Anet?
We paid for the item that purpose of is constant usage. If we get more than we expected, nice! It’s a bonus. But I paid for something I can use constantly, regardless if it has a bug or not.
If I buy a car and it has a better car mileage than advertised, do I complain? No. Am I gonna get penalized for driving that car? No. If the car had worse mileage than advertised, then I’d have a problem, because then it’s false advertisement.
It’s a product that Anet sold to us, therefore we use it as it is intended. If the results are better than expected, I don’t see how that’s our fault for using something we bough to use constantly. It’s advertised as basic. It does what it’s advertised to do and “allegedly” more. So the product does meet the advertised description requirements.
If you’re using it a lot, you should be concerned. You’re getting more sigils/runes than you should have, which means you’re making gold that otherwise should not have entered the economy. In the past, that has been a bannable offense.
These sigils/runes are not worth too much individually, but all that extra gold adds up. I personally would buy some basic salvage kits and use them until this thing is resolved.
I bought it from Anet, I use it AS it’s intended to use. If it gives me more stuff. Nice. They cannot base it as exploit, because it’s an item that is specifically MADE for constant and frequent use.
I’m averaging around 2 exotics (hurray free dark matter!) each day just from running some world bosses and a couple dungeon path runs and dumping the rare weapons in the forge.
That’s your luck. I average roughly 1-3 exotics a week, and 3 is on a very good week. And I run dungeons, bosses and fractals daily. Some accounts are luckier than others. I’m running base 129% MF and my luck simply blows. Don’t base your gamestyle on luck. RNG is just more kind to some than others.
Sadly with all these posts about “buhuh they didn’t give us what promised!!!!” it is quite possible that they will simply stop with those blog-posts entirely.
Since people apparently don’t understand what a plan is.
I’m not saying they did a bad job. I’m saying that certain things been on their list since way back in January.
Still gathering feedback.
Hahaha. Made me laugh and cry at the same time.
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1.New traits
2.New skills
3.Crafting to 500 for armor
4.Ascended armor
5. Precursor crafting (announced to be delayed)
6. New legendary weapons (announced to be delayed)
7. New PvP game modes (announced to be in the works after rewards update)
8. Legendary weapons in PvP (announced to be in the works in the next few months)Congrats, All but 4 things made it in, and the 4 things that aren’t going to make it have been updated or elaborated on. Thank you devs for keeping us up to date as well as managing to get almost everything in. Obviously I was skeptical, but you managed to do it, so thank you.
So it’s practically 50% completion. #5 and #6 didn’t make it, so it’s not really elaboration at all, since the only detail we got is “nope, not this year”. You can hardly call that “elaboration”. And #5 been on their “list” second time in a row this year and they didn’t deliver.
Now #1 and #2 are hardly anything close to what they said they would do. #2 (new skills) that’s 2 healing skills and… Nope that’s it. #1 New Traits… Wait… What new traits? They’re the same old traits we had, just rebalanced. And rebalancing hardly counts as “new traits” since it’s being done every few months.
So aside from rewards from dungeons and champs and crafting ascended items, and a whole two new skills, we got the list down to maybe… 35% complete I’d say.
Now I’m not hating on Anet for not delivering. But the things people were the most excited about was omitted once again.
Here’s a good example for the Mystic Toilet drop rate increase:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Do-I-qualify-for-the-Mystic-Toilet-club-yet/first#post3317094
After that post the Mystic forge rates on precursors were increased. We’ve moved into more longterm plans for precursors (we’re still watching), as you know, but that promise was upheld.
But Mystic Forge is practically a money waster. The term “Mystic Toilet” didn’t just came out for no reason. The amount of gold used to get a precursor out of it is ridiculous. The already rich players with tons of extra gold are practically crafting exotics and throwing them in getting more and more precursors while constantly controlling the market. Instead of Mystic Forge rates, which is plain gold sink, make the actual drop rate somewhat possible. I’ve seen people waste hundreds of rares worth close to the price of a precursor and still not getting anything out of it. It’s practically wasting your game savings away for a incredibly small chance of actually getting something out of it. The idea of definite progression was thrown around here and there since it’s the only thing that would make actual sense. Saying that you increased odds in a lottery that practically almost like Powerball when it comes to chances, is laughable. You had no chance of getting a precursor, but now you have almost no chance of getting precursor…
At this point we have people that played for hundreds even thousands of hours that are broke and without legendary, simply because they’ve wasted every penny they had in mystic forge hoping for something that is practically unattainable. Then on the other side of argument we have people with less than 200 hours of gameplay having precursors literally dropping in their hands. How is that a legendary progression?
It’s not about skill, dedication to the game or anything above. It’s practically about luck itself.
…an entire year and 2 lucky precursor drops in order to complete…
How is that a complaint? Two lucky precursor drops? Some of us that actually managed to complete their legendary had to actually put time and hard work into them, without any lucky precursor drops. We have the real right to complain and actually show off our accomplishment.
Sadly as much as I’d love to see them have a taste of their own medicine, this won’t happen. Unless they have some skilled developer players that are willing to put their names up for a challenge, I really don’t see that happening. Otherwise they’d put themselves up for quite unpleasant situation, where not only their knowledge and skill will be very heavily judged, but also their overall performance. Every little mistake that they could make will be out there visible to everyone.
All I’m really asking them is to at least play that level in their own comfort of an office at the given difficulty level to at least see how frustrating and long dredge fractal really is. And how unbalanced it is compared to all other fractal levels.
I would like to know how it will look with Sentinel’s insignias being in upper 70g+ range. Bye bye Sentinel’s armor…
I would love to see that. Hell, have them do level 30 without any instabilities. But I would love to see them try going through the entire level within 30 minutes or so. Time to put your skills where your mouths are. And don’t use your highly skilled testers you have there, just a regular group of people.
Last update: Ascended materials
This update: Old recycled Mini
Give us something that we actually would like to have. Something unique…
NO. just. NO. out. bad.
I second that. There is a time and place for Scarlet. This is not the time nor place. Wintersday was never part of living story, and should never be part of it. It’s a holliday celebration, so let’s keep it that way.
I keep blocking and reporting them, but they keep whispering me at least once per day from different account each time. It’s so annoying…
I find it interesting that they went so far as merging the topics together into one mega topic, yet still not a single response. I can almost picture them sitting back with a popcorn bucket and read the replies for entertainment.
Usually it would be already up for ~4 hours. Probably they have nothing to show us.
True, massive rebalances + 8 new skills is “nothing to show us”.
8 new skills? They said 1 new skill..
Each class is receiving a new healing skill.
I see. I misread that part.
It’s the same exact skill for all 8 professions, so yeah… one new skill.
You know it’s alway a bad sign if things getting stolen from minorities and the majority don’t cares about it or even says it is right…
That was my point of view from the beginning of this whole debate. When I actually saw players standing behind hurting other players. At that moment the hope was lost in the whole companionship of Guild Wars 2…
Maybe if you actually lost something more than an arbitrary difficulty level for content that no longer exists… Like if you lost any gear/skins you got or you lost your AR or your fractal tokens, something tangible.
That comes from one point of view. For example if you lost a watch, and it was an important watch to you, since you worked really hard in your teen years to afford it and finally got it, you’d be kinda bummed. Then when someone else would loose the same watch, they’d just go and buy another one, because it had no meaning to them. That arbitrary number wasn’t just a number to us. It was something we worked hard for therefore it was more important to us than it is to you. Simple as that. If you cannot understand that simple concept, I unfortunately cannot put it in any simpler words.
And don’t forget that the prices are set based on cash not exchanged gold. So the question should be is $6.25 too much for a helm?
If you can get a whole armor set for a $3.75, then hell yeah it is!
You know it’s alway a bad sign if things getting stolen from minorities and the majority don’t cares about it or even says it is right…
That was my point of view from the beginning of this whole debate. When I actually saw players standing behind hurting other players. At that moment the hope was lost in the whole companionship of Guild Wars 2…
But 500 Gems isn’t expensive, especially if you can convert in game currency for Gems. At that point, it’s basically free (from a real money perspective).
45 Gold for a Helmet with no stats is VERY expensive. Unless you’re loaded with gold, spending 45 gold on a helmet is crazy. Even Tier 3 cultural helmet being the most expensive in game is only 20 gold. Spending 45 gold on one piece of armor is not justifiable unless its some ascended piece of armor, which in this case it’s not. Especially since you can get a whole new armor set from gem store for roughly 72 (converted “free”) gold total. What I’m saying is that Anet is starting to become very greedy with the prices in gem store. Notably because it’s only one piece of armor compared to a whole set that can be bought for not much more. And they’re getting into a rythm with that single armor piece “sales”.
It would make sense if they responded with something that would tell us that compensation is in discussion phase. Then you’d know that something might happen. But as the time flew by with nothing to show for that idea is more and more unlikely with every day since the information was released two weeks ago. At this point it’s just seem futile. Especially since they seem to have found justification in so many posters that denied us the right to even ask for the compensation to begin with. They’re the ones Anet seem to want to please the most. Not a single response in two weeks does not mean “we’re working on it”. It means “forget it was ever a problem and it will go away”. Since they seem to never think of it as an issue to begin with, and that been confirmed in the stream they had about “Fractured”.
It doesn’t cost any real money to convert in game Gold to Gems. That said, if you do spend real money to buy Gems, you get a bonus if you buy enough.
This is a promotion. It’s no different than a company offering $2,000 cash back if you buy their new model truck, or a store offering “Buy 2, get 1 free” deals.
I’m with you on that 100%. That all fine and well. My point was that the prices of gem items are increasing and quality is diminishing. That what should have been his argument. Not a promotion.
Then what I would recommend is that people who convert Gold -> Gems should watch and wait. Then the exchange rates get too high one way, it becomes tempting the other. There are players who still convert Gems -> Gold, and when they do, the rates for Gold -> Gems goes down.
Ummm. Not sure what you’re getting at. I’m with you on the promotion part, but you lost me with this post.
Talking about the exchange rates of the Gold -> Gems. The more people converting Gold for Gems via the exchange, the more expensive it gets. On the opposite end, rates of Gems -> Gold become cheap at the same time. When more players start converting their Gems for Gold, the rates for Gold -> Gems goes down.
Keep in mind that there are vastly more players who want to convert their Gold into Gems, so prices will continue to go up. This is especially true as the game gets older. The more wealth players generate, the more likely they’ll convert Gold into Gems, regardless of the exchange rates.
But the point I was getting to is that if Gem Store prices are out of reach, players can still convert Gold to Gems to afford items. And you can get more Gems with your Gold as the exchange rates drop.
I wasn’t talking about how expensive gems are. I was referring to how expensive the items in gem store are getting compared to what they used to be.
500 gems for one piece of armor is just plain greedy. 800 gems for a full set is justifiable, but almost that price for just one item? It is just getting out of hand.
It doesn’t cost any real money to convert in game Gold to Gems. That said, if you do spend real money to buy Gems, you get a bonus if you buy enough.
This is a promotion. It’s no different than a company offering $2,000 cash back if you buy their new model truck, or a store offering “Buy 2, get 1 free” deals.
I’m with you on that 100%. That all fine and well. My point was that the prices of gem items are increasing and quality is diminishing. That what should have been his argument. Not a promotion.
Then what I would recommend is that people who convert Gold -> Gems should watch and wait. Then the exchange rates get too high one way, it becomes tempting the other. There are players who still convert Gems -> Gold, and when they do, the rates for Gold -> Gems goes down.
Ummm. Not sure what you’re getting at. I’m with you on the promotion part, but you lost me with this post.
It was already stated that it won’t be done due certain technical limitations.
It doesn’t cost any real money to convert in game Gold to Gems. That said, if you do spend real money to buy Gems, you get a bonus if you buy enough.
This is a promotion. It’s no different than a company offering $2,000 cash back if you buy their new model truck, or a store offering “Buy 2, get 1 free” deals.
I’m with you on that 100%. That all fine and well. My point was that the prices of gem items are increasing and quality is diminishing. That what should have been his argument. Not a promotion.
You’ve had your point with the armors, but unfortunately you base everything on a Mr Sparkles mini. That point in itself is giving players opportunity to get something that till now could only be obtained for hundreds of dollars on ebay. Something like this encourages people to buy gems and use them for their own good, since some of us buy gems on regular basics anyways. Plus, they didn’t have to do anything to begin with to give us any kind of reward for gem purchases.
What should’ve been your point, it should be the new helmet skins that are 500 gems each. For a helm. The first gem store armor sets were 500 gems each. Which was pricey at the time, but they looked pretty cool. Then they came up with 800 gems sets that were fully newly designed giving a fresh feel to your character. Still bit pricey at 800 gems, but justifiable.
Then they took a wrong turn with toxic release and gloves and shoulders for 400 gems each. Two pieces of armor for the price of a full set. Given they look good, but 400 is way overpriced for one piece of gear.
Now… The new helmets… 500 gems each. One piece of gear which some of us have turned off most of the time for the old price of a full set of armor. If it keeps going that way we’ll have boots or gloves worth 800 gems each. And I don’t want to get into the whole debate on how bad of a choice was the last “set” of armors introduced. In my opinion they should’ve taken all of them down and rework each of them to make them unique, not some cheap karma armor with some fire sparkles on it.
TV series normally ends with some kind of plot twist at the end of each episode which keeps you excited for more. “Scarlet ran away” ending is just so played out by now… We want some lore, some tiny drip of info that would keep us interested.
Well said.
I want to add that I hope we did make a difference with our arguments for compensation. Had we not had the discussion here would they be giving the titles to the ‘old school’ pvp’rs? Would they have just re-set WvW ranks so everyone started on an even footing (or perhaps just made all your characters equal to your highest WvW rank rather than adding all your ranks together). I like to think that our discussion here at least had some impact on the game. Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t…but they ARE using some of the constructive feedback we put here for other aspects that while not exactly the same are similar (equity in the form of time-spent in game being lost).
I love the idea that we actually made a difference. Even though the difference wasn’t mostly for us, but for others. The idea that pages and pages of suggestions and ideas actually reached Anet in one aspect or another is somewhat satisfying. There really is no way of knowing, but somewhat I feel we did make a difference for others and so the debate we started didn’t really go unrecognized completely.
Sadly when it comes to compensation, I strongly feel that it will not come in any form. The only official response to this thread I think will happen at this point is “the thread is closed”. The topic was pretty hot for two weeks now, so at this point the hope has been lost and trust has been broken.
No it seems that for example the ones that spawn at the bombs only drop loot the first time you kill them. But when they respawn, they no longer drop loot. Otherwise it would be an infinite dredge farm.
That was the reason why it is the way it is now. People were farming that particular spot for hours on end. Until it was patched with current “fix”.