Guild Wars 2

PopeUrban.2578:

Allowing you to skip several levels of instabilities? No. That’s just plain wrong.

Then why put some random system in the middle of something people passed months ago?? Put in on 50 where the mythical cap was made and extend the cap. What’s so hard about that? Why go back? Why take everyone’s progress and wipe it clean. This is not 1500’s. We live in time where progression is encouraged. Why go back?

You make it sound like it’s fair because instabilities or whatever they call it was put in. Then why didn’t they put it on higher levels? The levels almost every respectable fractal player waited to be unlocked. You can’t use instabilities as an argument and call them a reason. From what I remember we never asked for them, so they’re being forced upon us, just like the level reset. Your argument is not a valid one.

Stonecaduceus.5638:

The leaderboard might mean something if they make 45+ kittening hard so that only a small percent of people can complete it….

They specifically said that the curve up to 50 will be easier, so yeah… Leaderboards make very little sense…

Iason Evan.3806:

This update would be amazing and was something all of us Fractal players were looking forward to with the omission of 2 things: Leaderboards and reset.

I for one am super excited for the new fractals. I am leery of the instabilities. I am hopeful the issues that the community has been rightfully complaining about and reporting for almost a year (Harpy Invuln. Terrible AoE circles from harpies on platforms etc.) will get fixed. I am hopeful the Dredge Fractal will be brought in line with the others.

I just don’t understand how the devs thought we would all be cool with a reset. “I am gonna go reset my D&D group’s progress. I am sure they will all appreciate that.”

I want to know what the thinking behind it was. It’s a head scratcher.

This update would have been amazing if they just left most of things alone. Added the maps, revamped the rewards, did what they did with agony (even though i think they’re making it more complicated that it needs to be), left the progression character bound and most of all open up next 20-30 levels after 50. The possibility with fractals is unlimited, but for some reason they’re caging themselves withing the first 50 levels. Just open it up and keep going. Don’t take a huge step back…

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Lindelle.3718:

I guess I felt the opposite. As in, if nothing was up in the air and what’s done is done, they would just tell us so we aren’t constantly asking about it. No answers and “were reading and gathering feedback” to me says that maybe there will be something small changed. Maybe just a little reward chest compensation or something. Of course I’m probably just being naive and you’re right, its already over. :p

and why not just letting us know… 1 sentence : We are currently working out rewards as compensation for the lost Progress

at least we know that they than even consider it… look it is friday last day of work there will be nothing going on on Weekend and monday is alreaddy prepatchday where they don’t want to Change to many things… so it seems for me as if they ’re just sitting it out.

Since that sentence was not written… Since nothing was really written about the issue. And nothing has even sightly hinted at any kind of rework, we can just forget about it at this point. I’m just wondering what’s the next thing they have in their agenda… WvW level reset? Achievement score reset? So everyone can start at equal footing?

Lindelle.3718:

With all of the controversy around this whole leaderboard and reset thing, and the silence regarding what may or may not be done about it… it would be nice if maybe we at least got some info on what the leaderboards (the reason us 30+ folk are bumped down) are supposed to include?

I mean I don’t like the lack of answers any more than the next person, but I understand why it might be hard to give us an answer right now if its still in discussion. But an answer on form leaderboard information maybe?

The lack of answers is there because there is none. If there were legitimate reasons behind it all along with any kind of compensation, those answers would be thrown at us the second the questions came up to calm the community down rather than rally everyone up. As far as we know they saw the amount of fractal players speaking their minds on forums and went with it. Which from what I seen in the past, most posts were concerned around complaining about having to level each character than level being handed to them like allowance to a kid that did nothing to deserve it and complains how hard fractals is. Pretty much whine, whine, whine, level, whine.

The reason behind reset is “you get to be on equal footing with everyone else. Yay!”. If I wanted to be with equal footing with everyone else I wouldn’t be playing fractals, like everyone else. I don’t want to be equal footing with everyone else that didn’t work anywhere near as hard as me to get where I am. It’s like giving taking everyone’s legendary away and resetting the gold to even number for everyone to be on equal footing.

As of right now we have been shown basic characteristic of a person that did something drastic and didn’t realize that it would backfire with people that were (up until now) very quiet and passive about their personal experience. It’s almost like car salesman trying to sell us a car we don’t want. They realized by now that whatever the leaderboard information they’ll throw at us will not be sufficient for any of us to justify the reset. Now that they look back at it, they realized it themselves. That’s why they’re staying quiet till the patch is released. At that point they’ll go: “well it’s too late now”.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Seras.5702:

I haven’t been following along the conversation, of which there are pages and pages of posts. But have the devs given a reason why they’re resetting all progress back to 30? I’m sure they’re doing it because they think it’s a good idea (whether it is or isn’t) so I’m curious what that reason is.

So am I nope they don’t speak with they’re playerbase unless they get praised:)

Sadly that kind of response won’t happen. They obviously thought it’s a good idea since the implementation is happening, otherwise that wouldn’t be an issue right now. So far the only reason we’ve been given is leaderboards. And that reason alone is not very happily received by hardcore fractal playerbase, because they either don’t want their fractal habits to be in public record or they really don’t care for it at all.

The only thing known at the moment is they’re “gathering feedback”. Therefore, the implementation is happening. Nothing can be done about that this late into the process. The only thing that most likely be done is some kind of detailed explanation why they thought this was the way they changed it. Sadly from the looks of it and the amount of devs involvement in the issue, we can expect them to just wait it out till the patch happens and hope that we forget all about it.

Pretty much pulling “you play our game, you play by our rules” thing. They say that they try to get involved with community and work with them and all that. They did put the update notes for balancing in December to get some feedback from the players. That was the first and seem the only time they’ve ever done that. But when something like this fractal update happens with extremely drastic changes, it shows you the true colors of every mmo dev team out there. Taking away any feeling of accomplishment and personal progress is nothing but a code for them. Listening to community is technically gathering ideas to develop new implementations. The thing is that the ideas that were thrown by players that actually cared for fractals were never received. But the ideas from people whining about having only one character in fractals and how it was too hard and all that, were…

So don’t expect any changes at this point. Don’t expect any official response this late in the process. Sadly don’t expect anything you worked for to still be there the next time you log into the game.

As far as I’m concerned nobody asked for the leaderboard. Many people have exact same issue as you or don’t really care for leaderboard at all. We played fractals till now for us, not for leaderboards. So Opt Out ability would be nice to be honest. Maybe as a prompt question when you first go inside fractals, or have a NPC that allows you to Opt Out or Opt back in in case you feel like you want to be included at later time.
Another idea would be Opting everyone out and have them join the leaderboard only if they want the first time they walk into fractals.

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

The whole reason nobody is being taken seriously is because of people that went past level 50 cap. That’s why we have people arguing, that’s why everything is overlooked while insults and jabs are being directed towards these players.

Is it? I am upper 40s, but people still seem to have an issue with me being upset my progression is removed.

Most people on the side of the change seem to be under level 31, with the exception of a few upper 30s or low 40s

Precisely my point. People that are in lower 40s or lower 30s are all up for it. Some people in higher 40s also gave up. But then what am I supposed to say with having 3 toons in 49? People with one toon are all for the change because they won’t have to lift a finger to level any other character to get them where they want them in fractals. People that are in highers 40s and have no alts are also against the idea. There’s a trend here. People that are gaining something are trying to shut people that are loosing quite a lot up.
My point in above statement was that they all base their insults and attacks putting people that are in 80s on the spot as an example and how it was not intended to get that high, even though devs never said that it was not intended to begin with. And how some of them used old exploits that been fixed months ago. While all of us that worked very hard while not using any exploits to where we are now are being left in the dust and completely forgotten for the good of 2 weeks that fractal will be populated for after the release of this patch.
Anet has to realize that they’re trading off very dedicated group of peoples’s trust for two weeks of fun for major population. Some of them will get interested, but vast majority of them will get out of fractals as fast as they came in.

The whole reason nobody is being taken seriously is because of people that went past level 50 cap. That’s why we have people arguing, that’s why everything is overlooked while insults and jabs are being directed towards these players.

Fafnir.5124:

As a Veteran player I’m confident I can get my levels back so I honestly don’t care and am happy with the increased rewards.

That doesn’t make it right to take it away from you nor anybody else.

VOLKON.1290:

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

Account bound level announcement hurt me the most. I could cope with level being brought down to 30, but I’m loosing way more than 20 legit levels this way… I just wished I knew it’ll eventually become account bound so all the time wasted leveling my alts in low level fractals getting little to no rewards, could be put in a better use towards making a legendary or doing dungeons. I still don’t feel as hurt as a friend of mine that managed to get 7 characters up to upper level 40 over the past year.

JMar.3254:

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Can we have a developer respond?

Right now its the community arguing against the community, which really doesn’t matter.

We would like to know how the developers feel about deleting our progression rightfully earner, in order for leaderboards to come out, for which nobody wants or asked.

You got a response.
Until they have gathered feedback this is what you will get. Simple as that.

Regardless the reasoning of Anet or community as a whole, the clock is ticking. If feedback is being gathered, there’s many more players actually happy with the change than those that are unhappy, strictly because of minority involvement in fractals over the past year. The hardcore fractal playerbase will be hurt, but most of the playerbase thoughout the game will be either pleased or neutral.

That being said there is two factors at play right now:

Time

What can really be done in remaining few days, even if Anet would take us seriously? Considering that they’re gathering feedback at this time, by the time they make up their mind, put it into implementation along with informing the community about possible “changes”, they’ll still have to program the whole thing along with doing test runs. Even if that would start today, from past responses I understand they have weekends off, so we are pretty much sitting on 3 days to work with, that’s if they start right now. Content was already completed and ready to go. It’s all pretty much written in stone at this point.

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

With all that stated, I really wish you guys would have done what you did with skill balancing update that will happen in December. Post it on community forum a month in advance and gather feedback before thus drastic changes take place.

Aside from that at least I’m somewhat satisfied that you guys actually read our concerns, even though it is very unlikely anything will be done at this point in time. And it’s fully understood seeing how little time you have to work with.

lordkrall.7241:

Romo.3709:

I personally never been one to promote going past level 50 since it was obviously not intended. But that being said one of the devs responses was clearly that the curve up to level 50 is way easier than it was before. With that in mind, the challenge that was there to begin with is being taken away and “chips” are nowhere in sight.

Yes, they say that the CURVE will be less difficult. That does not mean that it will be less difficult overall, just that it will increase in difficulty in a more steady stream.

Also keep in mind that the difficulty of the Fractals have nothing at all to do with the Instabilities, so they might indeed increase the difficulty of the Fractals, even if the difficulty of the Fractals themselves are slightly lowered.

They practically said because of balances and tweaks it will be easier to get to 50. If what you said would be true they would just say 30 instead.

lordkrall.7241:

Kaiiku.2917:

My 2cents: for those above fotm 30, and for those who are possibly (though not certain), losing infusions and whatnot, compensation SHOULD be given to not erase the effort..

No one will be losing AR.

Although some people put a lot of effort into making their alts fractal ready. Not only getting them up the ladder in fractals, but infusing rings, creating backpacks and buying amulets and earrings… It’s all account bound, so no reason to have alt in fractals at all anymore… Money and time wasted….

For all we know, Anet is doing one of the following three:

1. Working on some kind of compensation.
2. Working on some way of explaining why what’s being done is being done.
3. Waiting for the whole thing to blow over because of minority involvement on the issue at hand, while keeping majority happy.
4. And extremely unlikely: working on changes to the “proposed” system as we speak.

As to the following:

And personally, for all those saying “we just want our difficulty back” for the 50+: you don’t know what the Instabilities have to offer. That may be your difficulty/challenge, and then a bag of chips.

I personally never been one to promote going past level 50 since it was obviously not intended. But that being said one of the devs responses was clearly that the curve up to level 50 is way easier than it was before. With that in mind, the challenge that was there to begin with is being taken away and “chips” are nowhere in sight.

Without legitimate reasons, there’s no legitimate answers… Just saying…

Fafnir.5124:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

I don’t play fractals at all. I hate them, but I want to remind everyone here that in Anet’s eyes, yer all nothing but a vocal minority. Nothing will change unless you quit playing the game, which is not likely to happen.

Have fun in the “new” the fractals.

However we are the minority that care most about this update so id think anet will care what we think. Also this is the end game of pve so we care about it quite a bit. Not to mention it is an interesting living story arc which has Ratasum being destroyed.

Sadly, as much as I’d hate to admit it, Herrder is right… We are the minority. We are people that care the most about fractals, but it doesn’t matter to Anet if by ditching us (again), they can bring some more people into fractals.

I’ve had some faith that speaking our minds in forum might change or affect something. That we can show how much fractals really meant to us. But it surely seem like a hopeless cause…

If you look at the devs responses in the forum about the matter, you’ll notice that they’ve yet to respond to any of our concerns or complains. They strictly circulate around answering questions to things such as skins, the trailer and agony system that’s being implemented. Their mind been made up the second they put out the release page with info on it and they already made the whole update. For them to change it now or implement changes withing next 4-5 days is just a waste of effort.

For us, a minority that wasted so much time in fractals to get where we are today, to get where we will be for the next few days untill we’ll be stripped of our ranks and achievements, to actually make a difference is really just a dream or a memory that never came to be. Almost like a Mist in itself. Irony in that, huh?

Regardless we are proud fractal community. Some of us will most likely play a lot less of fractals now, since what used to be our playground, our backyard is now being commercialized into something unrecognizable…

In the name of all players that are actually eager now to try fractals either for the first time or try them again after a bad experience in the past, thank you Anet. In the name of those of us that are being stripped down… There really isn’t much to say. Hang tight…

Erebus.9276:

Jumping only causes people to find new ways to skip things that are not meant to be skipped and thus needs to be disabled.

In its place jump pads like in the skyhammer pvp map. This way only places where you are meant to jump are reachable by jumping.

Thank you.

Disable movement. Movement only causes people to go places people are not meant to go thus needs to be disabled.

CuRtoKy.8576:

Then people at fractal level 80 will still complain that they are reset 30 levels down to level 50. Level people won’t complain because supposedly it doesn’t affect them. Then fractal level 80 will complain that they are being punished and that most people in gw2 do not care about them and that they are entitled to some form of compensation. Now if you put the reset at level 60 the same thing will happen. Not everyone will be pleased with changes either way unless it is the same as before. And certainly games are constantly changing.

Let them complain then. It was stated clearly by Anet that lvl 50 is the cap. Getting to 80 was not intended, and all the people that got past 50 knew perfectly well what they’re doing. But why punish players that played by the rules?

They practically said:
“Here’s a new content. Play as you like. You can get to level 50. anc each character will have it’s own progression. Have fun.”

A year later:
“Psych! It’s actually level 30! Oh you went past it? Well… That’s too bad. We’re resetting your progress to 30. Our bad for not telling you earlier. Wait, you mean you did it on multiple characters? Wow. Well… Most people didn’t, so not like majority will make a big fuss about it. Too bad kid. You’re in minority.”

MassDelusion.9130:

they’re being reset to 30 because after 30 there is a new mechanic
Mistlock instabilities.

So you want to start at lvl 49 and just skip 18 level’s with the new mistlock instabilities that everyone else will have to do if they want to reach lvl 49?

You guys did the higher levels of the OLD fractals
the higher levels of the NEW fractals are DIFFERENT.

I seem to be the only one that doesn’t care that i’m being reset back to 30 or begging in every forum for 250 ectos back for my shiny backpiece.

So you’re saying if thy implemented new mechanics to level 1, we would all be dropped to level 1? Why not raise the cap and put the new mechanics to 50+ since those were not supposed to be accessible.

GoldenTruth.2853:

Romo.3709:

ghost.3208:

um… wat?

I think that we are getting that from what I read on the patch preview:

Every fractal you enter above fractal level 30 will have a special Mistlock Instability which will add new difficulties to that level, or change the way you and your teammates play within it.

If they make them harder or change the mechanics it would be amazing, been running the same fractals for quite some months now (change the routine)

Here you go:

“Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.”

That could simple mean there is a more linear curve unlike the current curve where there is a small difficulty jump between 20 and 28, but a much larger one between 28 and 30.

Even if they lowered the mobs health/damage the Mistlock Instabilities could easily make the higher levels much harder. If they did something like at level 50 if someone dies they can’t revive and no one can replace their slot far less people will finish max fotm.

I don’t get what you’re not understanding by “easier curve”. What you just suggested would not be an “easier curve”…

ghost.3208:

um… wat?

I think that we are getting that from what I read on the patch preview:

Every fractal you enter above fractal level 30 will have a special Mistlock Instability which will add new difficulties to that level, or change the way you and your teammates play within it.

If they make them harder or change the mechanics it would be amazing, been running the same fractals for quite some months now (change the routine)

Here you go:

“Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.”

Uvatha.5476:

How can you say your fractal level is pointless when it effects the loot tables you get drops from? Even in these recent threads devs have said that drop rates improve the higher you go. The level isnt just about ego as it deals directly with rewards.

Also losing 20+ levels of time, effort, and frustration is nothing to scoff at. If you run fractals or not we as a whole, supportive gaming community should be upset and also concerned at what this could mean for the future of changing reward tiers in all aspects of the game.

Next thing is resetting everyone’s WvW ranks down to 30, because now the ranks are account bound! That’s what players wanted, right?

fadeaway.2807:

Just name is “Fractal Level v2” and make it start at 30. Hard mode fractals start at 31.
Everyone keeps their pointless “Fractal Level v1” number, can screenshot it if they want something to show for their accomplishment, and stops moaning.

That is seriously the most egoistical post I’ve seen so far on this forum. You’ve won. Knowing Anet, nothing will be done nor changed. And it’s not even about the number. You should read up a little more before you start posting stuff like this.

Majuub.6215:

I give up trying to please the kittens of the forums

You work with the idea that fractals are like dungeons. But fractals are very heavily RNG based dungeons, each time you start a new fractal you play roulette. Without knowing what will happen, how you’ll play and what you’ll fight.

Leaderboards would be a great idea for actual dungeons. Because they’re always the same. There’s no surprise factor, no RNG factor that would surprisingly change the way you play.

Once you go in a dungeon, you have a rough estimate of how long it’ll take depending on a group you have.When you start fractals you can spend anything from 45 minutes to 2 hours depending on your party’s setup, your party’s experience, and what fractals (and which versions you get).

Unless they make them all a set version of each fractals, I don’t see how timing leaderboard would work. Which I hope they won’t do that because that’s what makes fractals what they are.

design.6057:

or you can just wipe and start that part again

It doesn’t work that way. At all. And if level glitches out, you can die all you want, you’re not going anywhere.

Majuub.6215:

Honestly, I think many people would love a leader board that kept track of the fastest runs. That would breed real competition, as it did in GW1. And yes, they have the capabilities to do that.

How do u intend to keep track of something that’s purely RNG based. You never know what levels you get. They are not the same length. So practically people with “fastest” times would be people that gold lucky and got all 3 shortest levels in a row along with the easiest/fastest final boss (which we are unaware as to how fast each one is at the moment). On top of that, even if they did it by each fractal level separately, they would have to have 50 leaderboards for each level since they’re all at different difficulty scales, therefore take longer as you progress.
That also scales up into some fractals having multiple versions of that particular level.For example, in swamps, there’s Mossman or Bloomhunger, where Bloomhunger obviously takes significantly less effort and time to complete. Then you get into more complicated levels such as dredge, where there’s not only 2 bosses, but two paths and 2-3 different scaling amounts of adds thrown at you.

Seras.5702:

I’ve never done any fractals. I plan to soon, but will my inexperience & lack of AR prevent me from seeing this new LS content? If so, I’d better get on that soon.

This whole update is made with players like you in mind. People that never tried it or tried it and hated it. So if you have an hour or so, hop in. Try to get a guild group going rather than pug. Regardless wait for another week before you get started. You’ll have more fun.

fadeaway.2807:

I’m curious, would you prefer everyone be placed at level 49 after this patch, and the new ‘hard modes’ begin at 50?

I get that you’re annoyed with a number being taken away from you, but what do you actually want instead? A backdated reward of some kind?

It’s not really what I’m annoyed about. What I’m personally annoyed about is the account bound reward level, which was before character bound. Me and many of my fractal friends spent hours upon hours getting most of our alts into fractals so we can be more efficient in different scenarios. I personally have 3 level 49 characters and my 4th one just broken past level 10. But I also have a friend of mine with roughly 7 characters in upper level 40s. And she worked really hard to have them all up there. Our Guild is also well known for helping our guildies level up their fractal level. All that work was practically for nothing.

Spiuk.8421:

Are they going to remove fun from your memories?

All that’s left…

Snoctopus.7084:

I usually stay away from forum posting unless it’s big related, but this has to be said.

The proposed changes to fractal level and infusions are completely unfair, and show a lack of appreciation and understanding for what players have had to deal with in fractals.

Anyone with a personal level of 49 or higher has had to endure some of the buggiest, most poorly tuned content on the game. Be it the invincible immune harpies on uncategorized, the 15 minute clown car on dredge, or the flat out hard grawl shaman, we persevered and advanced, playing over and over, month after month, to farm skins and make our agony sets and raise our personal level to 49.

Our personal level should not be rolled back to 30, and we should not lose agony resistance. These are statistics and achievements that we, as players, have EARNED, in spite of the abysmal rewards provided by fractals.

New content should not come from undoing the achievements of players and making them redo something for no legitimate reason. I have never in my ten years of playing mmorpgs seen something as disgraceful as a “content patch” specifically designed to punish the high skill players such as this.

We (Fractal Players) were normally quiet on the forums as most of the time we were forgotten by Anet completely. With no updates and nothing to look forward, we kept pushing our limits and playing with our alts to get them as high as our main…

Then ray of light came through with election that a new fractal level will be made. We couldn’t be any happier, when all others couldn’t care any less about it.

When it finally was announced what really is gonna happen, we not only been forgotten again. We been deemed outcasts and a laughing stock for PvE and WvW players across the board.

That’s what I feel like right now. A laughing stock. Having 3 characters level their way up to level 49 each and started working on my 4th one not that long ago. It was all waste of time and effort.

Now all these people that couldn’t care less when fractals were the way they were, since they either barely played them or had no intention of wasting their time and effort on leveling alts are now being rewarded and are practically laughing at us. All while refusing us any kind of compensation.

You win again Anet. You got majority on your side with this. There’s an example what small hardcore player base that actually cared about the content you’ve made, while others laughed at it, really mean to you. Why not reset us all to level 1? I really don’t see any difference in any of it anymore, nor do I feel the urge, need nor fun in getting my level up anymore, since it can be taken away from us at any moment again in the future…

Flash.6912:

i’m @ level 50 fracs and don’t mind anet reset back to level 30 just to fixed anyone level 51

What about people that have 3 characters at 49 and one more on it’s way? Account bound level is just a slap in the face.

Simple fix. Reset button on current fractal, rather than starting all over. It wouldn’t take them much to implement that. If you mess up, you can restart at current fractal rather than wasting your time trying to complete the one you’re in. Same thing goes with fractals that bug out like Harpie one for example, where the boss just disappears after defeated.

Kilandros.2098:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I think Weth is trying to say they are surprised that so many people in the community are trying to devalue the progress other members made in fractals by accusing them falsely and trying to deny them the right to ask for compensation.

No one is devaluing anything, and that’s precisely the point of my OP. They leveled under the old system. This is a new system. The two can’t be compared. What if the new system is insanely hard starting at 30+? Then it becomes unfair if players get to keep their progress.

As for reward, the reason I ran 48s was for the daily chest reward. I don’t believe I should be given another reward simply because I’m moving down to 30—particularly when I’m gaining 30 levels on all of my alts. As I said in my OP, I feel that account-wide progress is reward enough.

That’s true, but when you were doing your 48 I was doing lower levels with my alts to get them up to 48 as well as my main getting crappy rewards compared to what you’ve been getting in 48s. Now if I’d known in advance that I’d just do 48 over and over on my main alone. But all that time invested in my alts is now wasted with account bound level…

Erebus.9276:

You guys don’t understand.. starting out at square one with nothing… I have to get to level 30 this week or I’ll be behind my friends and we won’t be able to play together? I thought I could play how I want?

We played fractals, cuz that’s how we wanted to play the game. Now all the progress we’ve made is being taken away and thrown out the window. We don’t get to play the way we want, then why should you?

The rings and pristine relics have a very practical use in Anet’s eyes. Which is taking up space in personal bank. And since they’re account bound, they cannot be placed in guild banks nor traded.

I’ve brought up the question about the rings multiple times in the past 24 hours and each time it was cleverly dodged by dev answering a question above or below mine.

They only answered question about shards, globs and vials which don’t take up any space at all.

THAT what they should make!
Replica of Buster Sword!!!!

Best way I can describe how some of us feel:

Think Anet decided to make actual leveling account bound. Once you get to 80, all your characters are level 80 respectively along the ones you make after.

This would cause the following things:

1) People with 1 main character would be super happy

2) People with 1 main and few low level alts would be happy

3) People with 2 or 3 level 80s would be unhappy but would see the “benefit” moving forward with ability to play more toons the way they want.

4) People that put their time and effort into making multiple alts throughout the professions and getting them to 80 would be extremely unhappy. Because that time could have been spent playing higher level content getting much more rewards than they did while leveling their alts.

Now put that reasoning into fractals the way it is revamped right now. Most casual players are between points 1 and 2, some are unhappy about having their main level 40+ moved down to 30 (point 3). But then there is us dedicated fractal players that put time and effort into leveling each toon respectively to get each one of them into the desired level. When we could spend all this time being rewarded for playing high level content with our main alone.

If you don’t see it, then I have no idea how else I can put it to make other people see why some people are extremely upset with the upcoming update.

Can you give us something to do with the tab full of ascended rings that we have no use for other than selling them for 4 silver? Maybe some kind of salvaging way of getting extra agony like we now have with Luck?

TPMN.1483:

‘Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.’

So it looks like FoTM will be easier ?
Looks like the leaderboard will have everyone at #1 unless they count the number of times you have ‘grinded’ FoTM ?

It doesn’t matter… We all start at the bottom anyways….

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Spoiler: there was always a rare chance to get them in the 10-20ish. The only change we made was to make them skins so you can apply them without spending a transmutation stone.

Will that change be applied to weapons that have already been acquired?

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

You will start with a +5 if you already have one.

Can u define on how high can Agony Resistance really go? And if players with a base 55 agony resistance will loose any agony in the process?

Angelic.1365:

Fafnir.5124:

please if you count the levels you have sum of all characters. vs new levels you have on all characters you will have more levels post update

Only people have have right to complain are uber high 80 fotmers but as I said 80 is unattainable with current fotm from scratch so should anyone really be at that level now

Even with 7 lvl 80 Characters, i will have lost levels with your math.

8 level 80 characters and I’m also loosing levels… You seriously underestimate how dedicated the hardcore fractal player base really is (at this point I think I should use word “was” instead). I didn’t want to go past level 50 personal level personally, because I refused to use exploits. Regardless I feel extremely punished for any time I’ve put into all of my alts at this point taking them to fractals and learning to practically use each and every one of them in various scenarios and difficulty levels. Now all people have to do is make a character and go into a high fractal as long as any of them got to that level before…

Day Trooper.3605:

I for one am extremely pleased they are doing this. While my Mesmer main is frac level 40, I had no urge whatsoever to go through the grinding of alts to get them up to a similar level (a big reason was having to deal with that god-awful dredge fractal).

So you’re saying that all of us that did go through the challenge of leveling our alts can go to hell? Who cares if someone did work hard to get where they are, as long as I get what I want… That’s the exact way a lot of people that are pleased with the update are thinking. “It doesn’t affect me since I’m not really loosing anything, but at least they get all those people down to my level, so I can feel good about myself”.

Thanks Anet, for showing us how much dedicated players really mean to you…

I wouldn’t hold my breath on this one…

Thaccus.7034:

I have no steak in this nor do I care to, but I find it rather amusing that you are so vehemently opposed to this given your sig.

My sig makes perfect sense all around, even in here. It is bad for us hardcore fractal players and it is good for those casual fractal players. And the way of thinking and point of view makes it good or bad. I’m just having a hard time not showing how disappointing in Anet I really am right now…

Regardless thanks for noticing it

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Romo.3709:

Stinson.5972:

I’m one of the players who will be reduced to 30, but I’m okay with it. I’m more interested in actually playing fractals and in them getting expansion and some much, much needed attention, not in being congratulated for things I’ve already done.

That’s wouldn’t be so bad if I had a character at level 49 and she’s being reduced to 30. But having 3 of them up there and 4th on the way is just a slap in the face.

Incorrect, fractal levels are now account bound, all your characters will progress at the same pace. If you weren’t offended by one character being reduced then you aren’t offended.

You logic is flawed. That’s because you don’t even know where I’m coming from having one character…

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Additionally you aren’t really losing progress. They are rebalancing the levels. The old level 50 is the new level 30. Now there is a new mechanic that is allowing you to progress further.

That would be fine if the level would stay character bound. Working hard to have multiple characters is higher levels was completely a waste of time it seem, since I would’ve had more fun just constantly playing on my main…

Stinson.5972:

I’m one of the players who will be reduced to 30, but I’m okay with it. I’m more interested in actually playing fractals and in them getting expansion and some much, much needed attention, not in being congratulated for things I’ve already done.

That’s wouldn’t be so bad if I had a character at level 49 and she’s being reduced to 30. But having 3 of them up there and 4th on the way is just a slap in the face.