am a PU mesmer i like to think of my self like batman i come out of no where bursting the kitten out of you and let police do the capping am the one who burst thy ele thy engi thy thief thy ranger and i kitt thy warrior and thy guard am invisible hand ( literally)
but in all seriousness me having different style doesnt make me bad i just serve another purpose
I came across a PU mes the other day running all the stealth skills. The thing is, because he’s dropping into stealth I know that all I have to do is duke in and out of the cap point, decap it, and play hide and seek with him. I don’t even need to use stealth, just LoS and teleport around ledges, casting phants when he comes out of stealth. The point gets decapped very quickly, and he has no way to recap it. So while we may not kill eachother, I’ve tied him up in a 1v1 on his point and he looses the match for his team because he’s not earning anything.
That’s the real trouble with PU burst from stealth. The predictability of it. Not even the predictability of the incoming burst, but the predictability of the gameplay surrounding the fight over conquest. If you’re successful with it, it’s only because your opponent doesnt know how to play the game, sorry to say.
The point you make is valid only if you are doing the capping. When facing a PU build, the roles will usually be reversed. You will be the one trying to hold the point and stop it from getting decapped. You know how fast that can happen, and you can’t afford to leave your circle.
The PU is not meant to hold points. It is meant to decap/kill. One or the other will happen.
Sure, but if im playing home point defender I’m going to be running a build that’ll counter such nonsense until help arrives. Might be a problem in a pug game with no TS, but with a propper comp and comms, yeah…
am a PU mesmer i like to think of my self like batman i come out of no where bursting the kitten out of you and let police do the capping am the one who burst thy ele thy engi thy thief thy ranger and i kitt thy warrior and thy guard am invisible hand ( literally)
but in all seriousness me having different style doesnt make me bad i just serve another purpose
I came across a PU mes the other day running all the stealth skills. The thing is, because he’s dropping into stealth I know that all I have to do is duke in and out of the cap point, decap it, and play hide and seek with him. I don’t even need to use stealth, just LoS and teleport around ledges, casting phants when he comes out of stealth. The point gets decapped very quickly, and he has no way to recap it. So while we may not kill eachother, I’ve tied him up in a 1v1 on his point and he looses the match for his team because he’s not earning anything.
That’s the real trouble with PU burst from stealth. The predictability of it. Not even the predictability of the incoming burst, but the predictability of the gameplay surrounding the fight over conquest. If you’re successful with it, it’s only because your opponent doesnt know how to play the game, sorry to say.
Nah. It’s a great trait simply for the fact that it opens up build diversity. It allows for a defensive option in place of other defensive options. Stick with removing the hits through evade thing and you’ll be golden.
Ok, here’s a concept for the Duel Blink Mimic + Portal build. The build has a generalist, support theme, namely ressing power. Cele ammy but Knight might work. Or just go marauder if you’re skilled enough to play glass. No real reason not to. Will need to give it a play during game time.
To start I am aware that I am fairly alone on this thought. Most of my friends love all the changes and don’t have much to complain about. I however do, so if you love how the game in PvP is right now, this post is not for you.
After this very large damage buff to every class I believe this game has lost its skillful touch that you needed to win. Every class seems to be able to burst the other very quickly and all PvP is now is who can burst the other team the fastest.
Tl;DR After the patch the DPS of every class is too high.
You know this is relative right?
Like, you could argue that before the patch the game wasn’t skillfull. You just equiped your favorite class with its standard celestial setup and kitten ed around on point spamming your basic skill rotations to dish out constant dps while playing the sustain game. Meanwhile you had a one-eye-open cat nap at your computer until either the points ticked in your favor, or the match ran out of minutes.
On the other hand now you can’t go to sleep on a point even in the toughest bunker build. All defense of a point is extremely active, and individual/team survival is tantamount to victory. First you have to win the fights before you can win the points. Meanwhile skill levels need to improve and players have to become more mindful of their play and enemies so that they won’t be burst to down state.
So there you go, it’s all in how you tell the story.
Mesmer so strong my grandma pown spvp with it
#easymode #learner class #nerf plz
Fighting scrubs had the same result before the patch as it did after. Unless you’re suggesting you personally couldn’t produce any results before the patch. That’s really sad for you
I now have trouble fighting mesmers tbh, the amount of distorts, blinds, reflects is annoying.
Oh yeah, no doubt. While on Mes I have to be far more aware of the situation, and enter full cerebral mode to make sure I maintain dominance over the fight and don’t get caught out. Even a scrubie Mesmer can be super slippery now. Won just about every encounter though, certainly all 1v1’s. It’s those sneaky blindside +1 bursts that get you.
lol no I do have a lvl1 mesmer to see how it plays in pvp. I just stealth, burst, wait for the heal, interrupt it for 15 sec added cooldown, finish it. soo easy.
True that the only way to down a mesm is to burst in 1 go before he can stealth/teleport/invuln/blind.
So let’s be honest just a sec, it’s the easiest class to play and probably the strongest atm.
My prediction: next sPVP finals: mesmer x5 vs mesmer x5
sounds fun! (pun intended)
Yeah… there’s still a huge gap between scroobies and long standing mesmer mains. Just like when I took an engie out for the first time (back pre patch) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzZu5KPfQU
Which I also did with Power LB Ranger and Necro. Deck out a power spec, go in for a skill spam rofl face roll for maximum effect.
So yah, well done I guess. Good luck with your 5 man newbie mes spec vs 5 experienced mesmers -_-u
Oh and btw, nothing said in the bolded part wasn’t possible pre patch (15s cd aside). Yet good players didn’t let themselves play into it before, same as now.
Ok, here’s a concept for the Duel Blink Mimic + Portal build. The build has a generalist, support theme, namely ressing power. Cele ammy but Knight might work. Or just go marauder if you’re skilled enough to play glass. No real reason not to. Will need to give it a play during game time.
Nothing like this that I know of. In OMFG, casual full mesmer comps has been a common theme. This is just the first time I’ve bothered to organize an actual gathering. I’ve not been privy to any casual EU 5 mes play.
Mesmer so strong my grandma pown spvp with it
#easymode #learner class #nerf plz
Fighting scrubs had the same result before the patch as it did after. Unless you’re suggesting you personally couldn’t produce any results before the patch. That’s really sad for you
I now have trouble fighting mesmers tbh, the amount of distorts, blinds, reflects is annoying.
Oh yeah, no doubt. While on Mes I have to be far more aware of the situation, and enter full cerebral mode to make sure I maintain dominance over the fight and don’t get caught out. Even a scrubie Mesmer can be super slippery now. Won just about every encounter though, certainly all 1v1’s. It’s those sneaky blindside +1 bursts that get you.
Shifting back takes you back to the state before you activated the shift. Simple.
So the best thing you might do is enter shift, mimic, dump a well, dump the same well, dump your elite, shift back, mimic, dump your well, dump the same well, dump your elite. Then wait for CD’s.
Mesmer so strong my grandma pown spvp with it
#easymode #learner class #nerf plz
Fighting scrubs had the same result before the patch as it did after. Unless you’re suggesting you personally couldn’t produce any results before the patch. That’s really sad for you :(
What about a staff + mimic/blink/portal setup, for incredibly fast (team) movement? Given the utilities are taken it probably fits shatter with BD best… But I’d like to see what an organised team can do with it
Can’t actually turn up this weekend unfortunately. Have fun though!
This isnt a bad idea. Kind of gimmicky, but could be an effective gimmick.
Pro tip: Take the time to read the skill tool tips and familiarize yourself with where those skills are. Play, and in time you’ll begin to associate atunement swapping to the skills you need based on your relative needs at that time.
Also ele makes for a good skill spam class, so its pretty easy to pick up and just mash away like you’ve got boiled potatoes in a pot ;D
Saturday 4th, next OMFG 5 Mesmer PvP Comp practice.
7am West Coast NA
10am East Coast NA
2am Sunday 5th, New Zealand
Last week we managed two teams of Mesmers running around in PvP. If any Mesmer is interested in a 5 Mes team comp, learning the trade of PvP, or whatever it’s worth showing up. Here’s the post match roundup from last week
Lol, it boggles my mind that people are complaining about thieves post patch. Thieves are EASILY, hands down one of two worst profs with the ranger.
Yes, even necros are worlds better than thieves right now, in a burst meta.
The amount of SERIOUS suggestions like BS having a cd, all stealth skills incurring an initiative cost is absolutely hilarious. You people are all so terrible at this game and it is so entertaining to read.
All I could think while watching it was “Don’t bring a ranger to a Mesmers fight?”
All those rotations, all that skill spam, it’s an interrupt mesmers dream (I saw one of the pros mention shatter mesmer in a follow up post- don’t make me laugh).
Does that mean your concerns of it being OP aren’t warranted? Nope. If the pros want to pursue that path more power to them.
Every match I’ve played with mesmers on the other team, I’ve won. Including things like 3x mesmers on the other team. I main Mesmer btw, so I’ve always played Mesmer in PvP :p
But come on, what do you expect? With the forums spitting out threads about how OP Mesmer is, and how much instagib Engie nades are, of course you’re going to have people go in to try it out. Pretty soon the average pretender will grow bored with their alt, or tired of the reality of being rolled by people who actually know what they’re doing, and move back to whatever was comfortable before.
So my first question is what role is this build intended for? Point holder? Pure support? Obviously not roaming DPS :p. In our 5 man mes comp, Chaos was running Blurred Inscriptions with boon share as mid point holder. But in the end he moved his boon share build away from Blurred Inscriptions because of the negative impact Distortion can have on maintaining a point. While, arguably this could be offset by the presence of other team mates (maintaining Chao’s survive), your build takes it a step further by granting distortion to teammates in the same second you have it. Your support will be costing your team the point :/
So ya, pretty much maurader wins out because fury overcomes precision loss of zerker.
You actually have more precision with the Marauder Amulet than with the Berserker Amulet (1050/1050/560/560 vs 1200/900/900), so I don’t know why fury has anything to do with it.
Oh well then, more precision with + fury = more crits. I was only half-listening to Rytlock when he explained, thus the misinformation ;D
Kite and duke. Getting in a mesmers face and button mashing (I love your list of classes you play btw, ele, warrior, guard, engie -_-u) is playing into their strength. Work with your team, the best players do. Been said many times on the forums: this isnt a 1v1 game, take note of that.
The reason is because of the synergy between the amulet’s stats and fury uptime.
Of course in actuality this is highly dependent on what build you’re running, and in the case of metabattle they’re only listing “shatter” specs right now. The best thing about marauder imo is that those extra hp’s will cover you against extra condi ticks. If you’re gonna eat a propper burst, you’re gonna eat a propper burst and go down regardless of what glass ammy you’re taking. Going back to the build point, if you’re running a build with Illusions, the heavy condi cleanse + bonus heals easily cover the lower hp pool with superior healing (running mantra heal, imo).
So ya, pretty much maurader wins out because fury overcomes precision loss of zerker.
Playing Mesmer is easy. Playing Mesmer well is not. You’re gonna have to invest the time and energy into mastering the class if you want to see positive results. Plenty of players out there right now trying to do “big bursts”, but they’re just as much mesmer chow to an experienced Mesmer.
My biggest problem with any condition class, even one that can dish out a lot of condi’s, is that as a Mesmer I’m not going to be playing without Inspiration, HM, and Healing Mantra. Condition presence has been redundant to me, and to any team mates in the same fight to boot. It’ll take a bit for everyone to catch up but Mes is going to be meta, even multiple mes (OMFG 5 mes team ftw ;D), so while condi could still force the shaping of strategies, something like an Inspiration Mes can easily generate a lot of heartache.
Being burst down by some DPS class is the least of your worries. Being rendered redundant due to superior cleansing is going to be your biggest problem :(
I’m curious as to what you’re able to play without DE and the dueling line. Mentioning persistence of memory leads me to believe some sort of phantasm build, perhaps interrupt phantasm or PU phantasm?
Two things I can vouch for are Phantrupt, but you’re replacing DE with the high performance power of Harmonious Mantras in conjunction with Inspiration. And Home point Mantra Bunker which, incidentally, uses Harmonious Mantras and Inspiration. The first uses Dom, the second Chaos. I suppose the point being that, while DE is not necessary (not that I’ve run it since last year), Dueling is still a solid trait line. Even if for the vigor on crit (it makes a difference. It always has).
Not that you couldn’t build without Dueling if you did it right, but yeah. Dueling is solid.
I don’t think Mantras are good for holding a point because they are hard to recharge without some cover for it. A class with good cc (lockdown mesmer/theif) will be able to lock you out pretty easily every time you attempt a charge. Having 3 mantras means alot of charging and I don’t see it working for hold pointing. One person can completely shut you down, let alone 3.
Well, I believe the point is that you can hold enemies off for a while before you even need to charge your mantras in the first place, provided that you’re using them intelligently.
A good mesmer can cover the charges of his own mantas, including using mantras nto recharge mantras :p
I knew the whining about taunt would come sooner or later. Only one class has it and it can only happen every 20 seconds. Now, it currently goes through block and invulns right now should be fixed but if you do ANYTHING else to taunt, you will make it COMPLETELY worthless. I cannot stress that enough. It has a unique purpose.
This is just wrong it still has the function of a regular cc, moving towards the target is also usefull.
I know because ranger has it, the most hated class in the game yet hasn’t seen a top tier tournament final in nearly a year (apex w/ nnight and he plays mesmer nowww) that doesn’t mean it’s deemed automatically OP at all… Also if you have teleport (thief / mes) you can use that or any other stun break that doesn’t require a target. Quit kittening whining already, also STEAL ISN’T A STUN BREAK that’s why you can’t use it while taunted.
First I don’t care if the ranger got it, the guardian got it or an engineer got it. The target lock is beyond what control skills should have.
I really wish these hotjoin heroes would quit whining and worry about more important issues like tank eles, mesmer burst w/ survivability, burning stack dmg, engi 100 nades bug, etc etc etc….
Anet knows these plights from the player we got threads enough about that.
If you nerf taunt, you will nerf rangers even MORE than what they already are to be honest, the class is is in the bottom bracket out of ALL classes right now in terms of team viability in top tier pvp. Taunt isn’t even a gamechanger for ranger anyway lol.
Allowing targetting another character during a cc will not hurt ranger that much.
You can use stun breaks to get rid of it. Enough said, get over it and quit whining.
No, you quit whining about your ranger, Tim has it right.
How does he have it right? When you get cc’d you stun break, this is a concept that has ALWAYS been in the game as a defensive against CC. Is this very concept suddenly a new concept for you? All taunt is , is a new CC. Whether what target you have selected or not you can use a stun break and it cancels the CC. Bring stun breaks and you should be fine. Why is there so much whining about this? The hotjoin heroes are real.
Arguably some stun breaks have associated, targeted effects attached to them. So by not being able to have them against an appropriate target can make the result “not like other cc effects”.
Many Engi wants their OP bugged grenade barrage gone.
Many Ele wants their insane burning stack gone.
Many Guardians want their insane burning stack gone.
For thief idk, maybe not.
This video pretty much sums up what’s wrong with Mesmer and Guardian.
You can keep making excuses. You can keep acting blind. You can keep giving silly arguments. You can keep pretending that the spec is weak. You can keep bringing up unrelated stuffs to justify this.
You can keep defending this BS, but you’d quickly see a dying GW2 pvp community. (Not like it’s not dying already.)
The irony of you linking that particular burst is that the Blurred Frenzy burst, the only one that dropped the guard, is also the one with more than enough time to react within and take countermeasures (stun break, stabos proc, dodge roll).
Anyway, don’t let me rain (to heavily) on your hyperbole train!
Player applies appropriate amount of damage to low health, high glass enemy (which he knew was there) to down him, and he’s “gud”? Surely this is just a basic math problem XD
I’m not a total fan of Helseth, but this play was a really nice to watch.
Check out the build in my signature. I don’t have any trouble taking damage from zerkers/maurauders. This could partially be because of the high amount of invuln and reflects.
That being said, everyone is dishing out a good amount of damage.
Really, not dying is a function of active defense right now, not passively being able to soak damage. In a tanky rabid condition build, if I eat a full burst from a power mesmer…I die. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Pretty much offense is the best defense :D No more just lazying around. Hurah!
It also makes team mates WAY more important. A counter strategy to people bursting friendlies down quickly? Getting them back up :D
Player applies appropriate amount of damage to low health, high glass enemy (which he knew was there) to down him, and he’s “gud”? Surely this is just a basic math problem XD
There is a lot of over dramatics and generalizing all over the place.
Why do people like to blame the entire forum for the actions of a few? And if you really look at those threads, they’re only pointing at a few specific traits that need tweaking.
All these diagnosis and claiming Mesmers want themselves nerfed makes the situation seem way worse than it really is. Its just a few non-Mesmers complaining and some Mesmer mains with obvious concerns over some extremely powerful specs that they don’t want Anet to overnerf like Chaotic Dampening and Maimed.
… And can we please stop with the underdog thing? People are blowing that way out of proportion.
Sorry, looking in this subforum alone the repeated mantra of
Shatter is too strong
when Everyone is too strong.
OR having someone tell me mesmer is too strong when it’s on par.
OR looking in the pvp forum and seeing " I main a mesmer the damage/stun/stealth/clones/phantasms/ conditions/traits are too strong"
And I see little to no one saying
“Look, this seems strong because you are doing A-B-C and they have been doing D-F-E, because they have been playing M-spec since before you knew it was a thing and you ignored M-spec because they tickled you. Try building B-spec and learning what they are doing before you try a glass M-spec.”
Instead a I see a lot of people claiming to be mesmer mains and agreeing with every other fallacy spewed by someone that is kitten they didnt dodge the running clones or stood still when they saw 2 dodgeroll clones pop up.
Sorry, if that seems dramatic, but I dont see thieves in there forum telling people they need to nerf SA or thier burst damage
I don’t see engineer’s in there forum saying they need to nerf their burning duration or grenades
I don’t see Necro’s in their subforum saying they apply too many condi’s or their passive trait is too strong.
I don’t see Ele’s in their forum saying they need to nerf the blinding they do on burning.
I don’t see warriors asking for their stun combo or BP to be nerfed.
Here it’s a different story.
THAT is what I’m talking about.
Even when we do draw attention to something, we are over-nerfed anyway.
Has been happening since the game was released.
We just have a few people that speed up the process.
The actual problem is that the average Mesmer main, and the Mesmer forum, consists of articulate, coherent, intelligent people who tend to be active within their class community compared to other classes. Other classes don’t have the same level or degree of activity in their forums because, sad as it is, harsh as it may sound, they’re made up largely of uncouth barbarians who’re lucky to be able to string two sentences together :)
Warrior forum for example: “Ug, warrior smash gud. YAH!”
Depending on the situation
temporal enchanter>illusionary inspiration
bountiful disillusionment>chaotic interruption
null field>mantra of concentration>signet of inspiration
You have no stunbreak in that base build. You could certainly take the mantra, but in the build you’ve posted, You would get 100-0 by the first shatter burst mesmer that showed up. Approach in stealth, MoD stun into full burst and you die instantly.
Edit: Even with the mantra, it can be tough to stunbreak in time. I’ve certainly been instagibbed by people a good number of times already, though I’ve been trying to keep a sharp eye on every mesmer in a match now.
distortion. bountiful disillusionment. need I say more?
BD doesn’t break stuns. It can keep you from getting stunned, but as long as the mesmer doesn’t MoD into your 1 stack of stability, they’ll stun you all the same.
Distortion can stop that burst, for sure. Unfortunately, a power mesmer has the option to restealth and burst roughly (realistically) once every 7-10 seconds or so, and distortion is only available once every 50. On top of that, the whole burst executes in <1 second, if they’re good. It’s possible to distortion to avoid that, but it’s not easy.
Also “good” is relative. A 1 second burst from a good mes is one approach, but there’s also less predictable assaults that can be made, all with a slew of CC coming your way. Realistically that 1s burst combo with the chance of a CS stun proc is the least of your worries from a “good” mesmer. And that’s before we even get into D/P thieves.
Just in case anyone is interested in taking a more active interest in Mesmer, the OMFG community has been doing stuff like this for a while now, and with the presence of so many of the more well known, active members of the Mesmer community there’s good opportunity to pick up on a lot of stuff if you want to take part (no reqs). So I thought I’d extend the interest to the general PvP forum as well.
Prior to patch I ran engie for the first time and recorded it. Was a mindless key smash roflestomp for maximum effect. No idea what I was doing except firing off every cd I could find- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzZu5KPfQU
Did the same thing with Ranger, zerk staff ele (many many moons ago), and right before the changes- Necro. Hell, I’ve even run a ton of roaming DPS kshot war. All turned out to be full power, no skill, “ez-mode” slash and burn experiences of utter destruction of the other team. What did this mean? That Ranger, Zerk Staff Ele, and Necro were stupid OP just because I destroyed everything I faced on my first time out? Get real.
You think you’re experiencing something unique with Mesmer post patch. This was happening with other classes pre patch, and that’s without the across the board increase in power. Your experience means nothing.
The problem is that trying to hold a point in a glass v glass scenario is high risk which can lead to complications. Where’as active defences + a sustain build has better odds, which still lends itself to standard burst teammate rotations providing support to win the fights.
So really nothing’s changed.
I prefer the move away from the one man boring bunk a point however. There’s a better balance to be had somewhere in here.
