No one gives a kitten who’s build it is. If we really wanted to get technical, as all content is designed by Arenanet, they own the rights to everything related.
As for this thread, yea it’s a bit powerful but manageable. Withdraw is a bit low of a cd but I honestly could care less. The amount of evades is good but thieves need it or they would be chewed up. SB 3 got some changes so that cut down most of the evades and the rest aren’t too bad. Maybe the sword 3 could use a bit more initiative to promote more thoughtful gameplay.
In my opinion other traits/utilities need some changes or “buffs” so that there’s a bit more build variety. Typical builds have been running 30 deep in trickery and mug since forever while always running sf, ss and inf sig. Basi venom is just the norm so it’s whatever. Then again this isn’t just for thief though, all classes need more variety.
It’s lovely that some like to think old fashioned and run “their own builds” but let’s face it, people want the most optimal experience. Metas are the current tried and true and, of course, always subject to change. People want to feel useful and these builds are the common known of being useful so they are the “go to”. Now if you feel that your build is good and on par with the regular mold then speak up and show it off. People love something new and you could shift the meta in different direction.
On the other hand if you just want to run something “cool” but you’re more useless than a rock, I don’t see how that can be fun. One usually enjoys themselves more when they are more of a contribution but maybe that’s just me.
Yes I’ve seen it but it’s most likely someone with a double keybind or the wrong button pressing. Just how some people with map chat their skills while doing them accidentally.
This thread is degrading fast..typical I guess.
I don’t understand why hammer wars are still such a major issue, the skills have massive tells. I hate to say it but I guess it’s just a l2p issue.
Bahaha if they did this I’d play sword just for this so I could swear I was a mesmer. Its immobilize is pretty good due to the fact that teammates could burst you as well but since it’s mainly condi based I don’t use it much.
The old prices I paid for on the first set on their initial release was only 800 gems due to the fact they were soul bound. They were definitely worth it then but they are a bit pricey now. I personally would still get them as I don’t mind the price and if you don’t own any unlimited tools to begin with they are pretty handy.
Fill out a support ticket under purchases and state your issue about accidentally deleting the item through the character. As long as you were the one who purchased said item and they will check your account, they can supply you a new one. I’ve personally had similar issues and they have always come through. They quickly respond and are extremely lenient.
Yes the steal bundles do counter the class. Most warriors run longbow as it’s the best pvp item so whirl’s reflect counters that entirely making the fight much easier. Throw gunk stacks condis onto engi’s which have a hard time sustaining against (and can crit procing your air and fire sigils if you’re running them). Healing seed is so kitten good it helps with anything with that condi clear and prolonged water field. I can go on but it’s a fairly simple concept.
Yes what I stated you have to trait for but honestly, what build doesn’t trait for it? All current meta builds do and always have in the past since it’s too good to pass up.
Long story short, steal is perfectly fine and doesn’t need buffs. I myself don’t mind it but most of the pvp community believes it’s actually a bit too powerful still.
In all honesty this potential list is full of ridiculously overpowered traits. Got to think on more realistic terms.
Ah it’s refreshing to see discussion on eles once more in here. Havn’t seen this talk since 2012. Too the point, ele d/d is back to its former glory minus the 15 sec Rtl and all catrips being stun breaks. They unnerfed cleansing water and restore signet so eles sustain was regained along with lovely runes of strength which is amazing since ele thrives off power (one of the main reasons why bountiful power got the slight nerf long ago as well). Thing is ele kept getting some minor buffs along the way leading up to this so they are in a better place overall.
We all wanted a power meta and anet delivered with strength runes.
I don’t mind if they make a minor nerf to these but if it’s major or they rework them entirely, we will lose what’s left that’s non condi aids crap. We have never actually had a condi meta and I would like it to stay that way.
Mug is +2k hp and 800dmg. How’s that OP?
And the trickster traits are mostly boon ripping.
Steal could use a whole lot of changes.
It’s 2k+ hp
800dmg (no crits anymore at least)
Dazes
Poisons
Boon steals (stab primary)
Grants might fury and swiftness to yourself and others oh and vigor.
All while stealing an ability to counter your opponent and is a instant blink to combo with.
This is all in one single skill that with the trickery trait line is on low cooldown and sleight of hand lowers it more too.
This all happens when you take the typical 5,7 and 12 traits in trickery as well as going 2 points in deadly arts for both serpents touch and mug.
I think steal is fine, a bit powerful but manageable. I never said “OP” bud, but it definitely doesn’t need any buffs..
Tempest defense is a very nice trait and definately something that helps the ele in fights. Now for icebow, this utility is powerful but is as we know it, gimmicky. Against theives it’s useless (especially s/d) with their extensive blinks as well as the mes or any ele with LF. As I main a warrior this can be hurtful but it has a huge tell. Most people should be able to dodge it or like me, even reflect it back and have a field day.
If you’re going to try and hold home without leaving it much to help out elsewhere then you’re gimping your team at mid. If the opposite team is all at mid and your still at home then it’s a 4v5 at mid. Unless your team is competent, outnumbered fights in solos are bad news. I personally suggest to allow others to bunker home or at least keep eye on it. You should be roaming more, as support roamer is the role of a d/d ele. You need to help out at the fights both at mid or side nodes.
Capes. Better than any measly titles and bs finshers. T3 armor is lame dude, every PvE carebear and their mother has that stuff. Even with some cute effects it wouldnt be much better.
D/D ele is a support roamer. Your job is to outnumber a fight or balance one on nodes supplying great damage both aoe and single target. You also can supply crucial boons such as might, protection, regen, etc. as well as heals for yourself and teammates. Basically a solid component to any team comp.
Edit: D/F fills the same roll, except substituting aoe heal , aoe cc, and superior mobility for more self survival and swirling winds which can be extremely helpful for point defense and capture. Personally I feel the dagger offhand is a bit better in support while the focus is a bit greedier and self sustaining. With the current changes to ele I feel the focus isn’t need as much as before when ele sustain was about 0 against anything. Even though it’s much thanks to some amulet and rune changes, I’m glad that eles are once again “almost” back to their former glory and a viable resource.
Yea my warrior doesn’t say as much. Just the occasional “Urge to kill rising”. Other than that it’s just a bunch of “Rrrahhhh”, “Ahgggh”, “Errrrgggg” and other ambiguous random grunts and groans.
Staff is pretty good. From a pvp perspective, staff is really good just like D/D celestial. Run the same trait setups usually and clerics or keep the celestial if you want. Great group support with amazing sustain and heals while still dishing out the hurt with large AoE attacks and point crowd control. Always run with an ele in my team comps.
I don’t find stealth op really but then again I’m used to it from other games. If you play thief enough you learn the mechanics and can figure out what others would do on the same profession.
I don’t mean to be a bother but noticed your little message thingy. How do you know you’re the 57th thief In North America? That’s like the people who walk around and swear they are pie charts saying they’re 1/3 Chinese or 5/8 Italian. How exactly do you know?
Leaderboards are never right.
You show sympathy to a thief “/laughing” in mid fight, then getting destroyed, and blaming the warrior? Come on now. If that thief was so confident to do that then they should have won.
Just a case of cold hard karma right here.
No sympathy for bad players
Look all I can say right now is leave buffs to steal out of this. Right now it is extremely strong with whole builds built around it. Not only mug but the entire 6 into trickery is all just for steal. We don’t need more added to it.
Thanks, carry on.
Hi, guys. Since eles got a huge buff from the feature patch, i think guardians have almost no chance to defeat ele in 1v1. In tpvp 1v1 sometimes is important, for example, skyhammer usually require a good 1v1 player to control the cannon…
Ok, lets come back to the topic, as i have watched and tested by myself, i think that currently, meditation or other kind of dps guardian have a very low win rate to defeat eles (DD) as they have so many shields (aura) and dps output while shileding and moving.
So I post this thread to get opnions and ideas about how to improve the win rates of us in duel with eles , especialy dd ones
For starters, sky hammer isn’t in the tpvp rotation so you’re fine there.
But what you’re talking about is celestial/strength DD ele with most likely doom/battle sigils (0/0/2/6/6). Yes this is the current bunker power ele (like the old ele from 2012 minus the extreme mobility as before). Your main worry is their might stacking, they can easily hit up to 25 stacks with strength runes and battle sigil so boon stripping is key to fighting them. They also dish out poison from doom so that can really hurt a guards healing capabilities. As long as you strip that might and go in for burns and burst after they leave their water attunement you will supply sufficient pressure to have them on the defensive. Be sure to avoid their fire ring and burning speed as that can stack a lot of
Burning on you and with high might this will hurt. Burning speed alone will hit hard if you are in their path. Manage your blinds and aegis wisely on things such as updraft, earthquake or fire grab. Spare your dodges as well.
Honestly currently main ele counters are Mesmers, thieves and necros with frequent boon strips as, like I said, are the main key to this fight.
I find points useful only as a general way of seeing if a player was active in a match. It doesn’t tell me how skilled a player actually is; a bunker character who spent the entire match keeping 3/5 of the enemy team bogged down near their home point was an incredibly valuable asset, even if their final score was only 30 because the rest of us finally got bored guarding the other two points and came over to help when we were at 450 points to 50.
I don’t believe we are addressing personal score here but more the fact about going for nodes and playing for points instead of mindlessly running around fighting each other. Yes fighting players is a major aspect but it’s fighting to protect your points as well as pushing defenses to gain points. Personal score doesn’t matter, yea a bunker could have 5 points to their name but if they held the mid steady and neutral until your team wins the fight or secures home point for steady ppt’s then they have done their job and helped the team significantly.
I think you ranked turret engie/decap engi too low. Even at high play it is fairly good. The only real problem that arises is if you get paired against a really good thief that can just stealth off your turrets. Which can be avoided by just blowing them up and kiting with the rifle. It’s really an overpowered build imo.
Or a warrior can just walk through that crap swinging and all the turrets are gone in the fray of aoe. Two words, meteor shower. Honestly decap/turret is solo/ hotjoin heroes nothing more IMO. As for necro and condi spam, that isn’t the meta. I honestly can’t define what this meta is right now but for the most part it revolves around power with strength runes course. This allows bunkers to deal sufficient damage while being tanky. So I’d say it’s more of a bunkerish (which is so boring to watch) meta/power. Condi spam is an issue with some but it’s not huge in high level play. In my above post, is what I pretty much see the top classes as. A list (in no specific order): s/d thief, warriors are good still, guards are a must and eles d/d celestial or staff are very solid (also due to strength runes). The rest are B class depending on build and even C class.
It’s also shameful that the only game mode we have doesn’t even incentivize you to fight the enemy, but just cap points.
Wow Skylight, you’re on a serious “conquest” in the forums tonight.
Aha I joke!
Seriously though, keep your wvw and points don’t matter bullkitten out of spvp. You want to post that kind of stuff in the WvW forum like: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/PPT-is-a-joke-WvW-is-about-fights/first
then keep it there. We don’t need that stuff in the spvp section. Points do matter.
Thanks.
I just wanted to let you know that “principle” probably was the correct term as it is always a noun meaning an accepted rule of conduct or action. “Principal” is an adjective and used to be superlative in describing a person such as the principal of a school. It means “most important or primary”.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Unless she wants to be the most important Q/A person then by all means.
Investing my own money in gems to gold to start out and buying up tons of precursors for as much as 10g each tops as well as lots of t6. Another huge investment before legendary changes and also the occasional drops as well as boat loads of large Wintersday boxes for glory during the last event in pvp. Just to name a few.
If we look at any game based mainly on pvp gameplay (insert any fps title here), they all use a voting system. Based on this, in Gw2 pvp before any match regardless of game mode, a window should appear that allows players to vote between two randomly selected maps in the rotation. Players could then select either map or “random”(for those that could care less) and go by majority rules. As this could lead to one map getting played repeatedly, there can be a “2 play rule”. This would allow a map to only be played a total of 2 times before switching up the vote to two different maps. Allowing all maps to be played at least once before returning to previously played ones keeping some sort of variety.
Currently s/d thief is better than s/p. S/p was last meta.
Is this a tier list that you personally believe are difficult to kill? Because that can vary from player to player. Engi’s for one are not top tier in teams as they are more of a liability due to their survival, especially against conditions (decap is only for yolo que). Ele would actually be better. As for condi and hambow they aren’t godmode in my opinion but maybe to you. (Condi war isn’t so helpful in teams either). As for necros, MM is yolo que only as well and the others can be somewhat decent I guess.
Guardian bunker is essential so that is fine in A class, Mesmer is actually pretty bad at the moment so it should be in B to even C class. PU is useless outside wvw so it pigeon holes them pretty much into staff/gs shatter or any shatter of the sort.
I don’t believe in godmode, so I’d say your A class would be overall (in no specific order):
Warrior (a/s longbow) or H/longbow can still work
Guard staff bunker
D/D ele celestial/strength
(Ele bunker) staff can work nicely as well
S/d thief
The rest are B class at the moment as nothing really seems to shine as much.
Granted if the player is good, they can make the class and build work nicely by all means.
As a warrior, I’d like to state that one shouldn’t be using any stances to get a stomp unless it’s absolutely nessesary and the only stance would be balanced due to outside cc.
Also when it comes to engis or eles that one utility is usually their only stun break (mainly on engis) or not even taken at all. You take a big risk doing that which is why these classes are not designated stompers nor should they even think they should stop fighting to perform this in team fights.
In a 1v1 situation, just dodge downstate interupts, no point wasting utilities for that crap.
Secondly, I’ve seen Sizer play. I’m not massively impressed with him, but I would say he’s better than your average thief.That being said, just because he plays a build does not mean it belongs to him.
It might not be serious to you people, but this build is my intellectual property. I created it, and to say that Sizer owns it is not only wrong but extremely offensive.
Alright, I’ve watched sizer play for a long time and he has been running this build for a long time now, before the whole S/p craze and now it’s back again due to strength runes.
Honestly if you feel you wholeheartedly own the entire rights to this build that sizer has been playing for quite some time now, fight him. That’s right, fight him for it. If your “not impressed”, fight him. If you created this build so long ago, you must feel you’re better so prove it. I find that as a simple way to dignify it as “your own”.
It is his elite with extremely long cool down, it SHOULD be that strong.
No, no one should have a “I win” button. Is signet of rage that good? No. Is a Guardian’s Renewal that good? No. Rangers Entangle? (lol… ) no. Thieve’s Basilisk Venom? Eh.. maybe if you have the cool down reduction. Mesmer Elites & Elementalists? pfft.. The only other elite that is as decent would be Engineer’s Supply Crate.
Maybe they should make the other elites better to match the power and destruction of Lich Form. What if the Warrior Juggernaut form did 4-7k autos or the Elementalist Tornado?
Since when was Lich form a “I win button”? More like a “here I am, make my death as quick and painless as possible button”. They do high damage yes but they also take damage very hard. I don’t run condi war but any burn, bleeds with a solid pin down will force him to either leave it to cleans or die. If you run endure pain, that one utility will hard counter that entire elite bc all they are going to do is auto attack anyways doing no damage at all while you have a field day on his corpse.
In all honesty, ever since pvp beta, anytime someone uses a trans elite, your hard focused, especially Lich form since it goes down fast from any damage. As for stuff like ele tornado, lol just throw a little confusion in the mix.
Not everyone playing the game has that much money to spend on gems. What they lack in cash, they make up with the ability to make money ingame. Of course, it does lead to people kittening about prices of things in gold like the Upgrade Extractor.
As far as the refund goes, they already have your money. They got that from you when you bought the gems. What they gave you is basically store credit (gems) for a purchase you returned (duplicates) after buying them with a gift card (gems) that you purchased with cash (ingame interface or via gem card).
Exactly my point, if you lack any finances to spend $10 and decide to take the free route to an item, why do you kitten and moan about the “gold price” equivalents? You chose that route in the first place to get it free. If you honestly want it, spend the cash or don’t whine at all.
Also I know the refund was in gems. That’s what I said and I’m glad they did this because I much rather have my gems than a bunch of useless skin sets that I already have. I thank them for their generosity.
