Guild Wars 2

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Is there any reason why you refuse to address my counterpoint to your 5% argument?

Simple as that I don’t care for 5% or 10% or even 15%, but I care for stat combinations that I wear and the fact I can’t change builds when I want to try to be condi mesmer than a zerker mesmer or I want to WvW and sentinels work a lot better on my ranger than zerk I use in PvE.

I made 11 characters lvl 80 so I refuse to make ascended for them. It’s not worth of time with this many characters I play, and I play most of them in rotation cause it’s fun. Yet some changes are for good and some are for bad, so I would need redo a lot of gear after changes simply because I don’t believe zerk gear is good for all.
To get an elastic solution so I might have goals and the feeling of being able to adjust to changes is what I need in GW2 more than anything.

I’m against it. It’s basically to split community.
Make elite groups even more elite etc.

I like and enjoy the way it all works and being able as an outsider to play with organized groups. I don’t think it will last and people like me will be cast aside so I disagree and vote against.

I agree with the OP, it should be implemented better.

Since I sometimes come to the game to do a specific thing and log out as soon I would also see the option to choose your status while login into the game.

I think if you have upgraded version you should have basic one also.

I know that not upgraded version looks so good on the necros

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Septemptus.7164:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

aaaaaaaaannnnnnd that’s the reason they changed it… so Legendaries would be their own tier and be separated from the pack…

So basically you want people who have legendaries feel better than others just because they have them and you don’t care or all others that struggle with builds and changes to traits and all that.

Thats so really…. wise…
I hope you will someday look what you represent.

now now… stop trying to turn me into an elitist because that I DEFINITELY am not… I share my good fortune not only with guildies and friends but with random strangers as well… I believe in a Pay it forward attitude… I try to do one good deed a day in game and I tell people to NEVER pay me back to just pay it forward to someone in need one day… I think I represent all that is good in MMO player culture to be honest… I am just a pragmatist when it comes to things like this and I believe that Legendaries should mean something. All of that effort should allow you to have something that is more than JUST a skin. A legendary takes 5-10 times the effort of an ascended and yet you want ascended to be on par with them and I think that is just not right sorry…

Well if you say on par when you would need a lot of time and effort to unlock each new stat combos? Well… Thats something strange.
Besides legendaries were legendaries when you weren’t able to buy them on TP just for cash, so that 5-10 times means just more time to grind and that it essentially what people do. There is nothing special in gear you can easily buy if you just spend hours grinding. Having additional goals to horizontally extend your items usability – that is something worth playing for.

I refuse to grind without a reason and from that comes my point of view.
Since as you said you have 7 legendaries – you come from different part of the game (and I understand why you don’t want to feel loss of time if your legendaries would became almost nothing more than ascended with skins).

I believe that people should be able to adjust to traits changes with their gear.
I also believe that players should have additional goals than farming gold for legendaries or farm gold for precursors/materials for legendaries – basically looking for spots to farm better and faster.

The system i described would not only add o lot of variety and needed horizontal progression but would answer to people who are bored and brain dead from farming.
Yes, me included, I’m bored by playing and would welcome some goals to get instead of grind I’m sick off.

Farmers will always farm anyway…

MithranArkanere.8957:

Currently, you can have entire sets shared by characters.

But the more sets you get, the more space you need.

I’d just focus on that.

Instead some complicated method to turn ascended into wannabe legendaries, make ascended gear unlocks.

After getting the first one copy for most ascended gear, or two copies for weapons that can be dual-wieled, that particular item-type/stats combination would be unlocked in the bank, under a new “Ascended Gear” tab.

You get your first Zojja sword, you go to the bank, and under the “ascended gear” tab, you go to swords, and you’ll see that the entry for Zojja’s Sword will indicate “1/2”. Craft 1 more, and the numbers will disappear, and the entry will get unlocked.
Craft a single Theodosus’s Staff, and it gets unlocked. You no longer need to constantly swap it in the bank when you want to go cleric with your guardian or elementalist.

You will have it unlocked, and you no longer need to craft it anymore or constantly use the bank to get use it with more characters.

Legendaries would stay unique and special because they can change stats on the fly, anywhere without a bank, and at the same time you would no longer need to constantly juggle items in the bank as each character can get their own copies of the items.
But each character would have to apply their own transmutations if they are going to et their own copies, so more transmutation charges wold get used, which is good for gem spending.

I prefer my idea, but this would work good also.

I will say only that I’m disappointed by this item and I will really look forward to it if price goes to 50c or so.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

aaaaaaaaannnnnnd that’s the reason they changed it… so Legendaries would be their own tier and be separated from the pack…

So basically you want people who have legendaries feel better than others just because they have them and you don’t care or all others that struggle with builds and changes to traits and all that.

Thats so really…. wise…
I hope you will someday look what you represent.

Olvendred.3027:

Well, to be fair, that’s exactly what legendaries were before ascended weapons came out. Extremely expensive weapons with the same stats and capabilities as exotics.

Exactly. Legendaries were only some items to be for the looks.
They added some depth to them so people would like them more, cause a lot of community folks just weren’t interested, but they did a great feature that allowed our weapon to change stats and that is something very needed by the part of community that likes to make builds. Many people wont make ascended because there is nothing coming from making one. 5% more stats or so to spend like 100g instead of 5g max?

Also the idea would work that you have to put more and more work in this gear as time progresses (if you want), and that would be no legendary (no skin, no all stats by default). legendary still would have a lot more convenience, but people who play the game instead of farming whole days would have a very usable tool in ascended gear.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

So wait.. you want Ascended weapons, which already have the same LEVEL of stats as legendary to be able to swap stats around just like a legendary?

Essentially you want a Weapon with Legendary stats and capabilities for like one tenth the cost…

ummm no…. that’s a horrible idea…

Well try to ask yourself if more people than you want to use the game?
How many of them likes to try new builds?
How many people (like me) don’t bother with ascended that is just a waste of money?
Are you feeling offended that others would have similar experience than probably you who made legendary?

But if you make ascended more that it is now, it will have it’s own market fore people that are more hardcore than causals (those use exotics now), but don’t grind and play TP and farm gold 20h/7days.

Those hardcore people would need more stuff to do, more horizontal progression instead of another gold sink to make them farm next to forever and upgrading ascended would do that and it would be healthy for the bored part of the community.

*This is a suggestion. *
For me its pretty good, so read it few times before you will start criticize it.

IDEA

Create elastic gear (since gear has stats) that would work well to help players use many builds, rest them and don’t punish them for mistakes, but help them learn and get better.

HOW?

The idea would be to create Ascended with one stats and then by mixing it in Mystic Forge with: new ascended insignias (so market is balanced), explorable item (scavenge hunt), and some skill points (sink) to unlock that new stats on that ascended weapon.

explorable item – would be different item (or a group of items to combine in MF) from many contents in the world (gatherables/bosses/temples/dungeons/etc) that would add a bit for exploration and scavenge hunt for people who want to upgrade their gear. (!) but not a grind, more like do something not only pay for it.

WHY?

For some of us changes to the trait system was step in the right direction, but for me the worst part of it I’m still bound to statistics on my armor/weapons and they impact a lot what I can to with my build.

Yes, thats a lot of pain and it sometimes forces you to make another set of gear.
But if you want to make ascended (that cost a lot) you don’t want to make new set with different stat – lets be real about it.

If you can make ascended into the elastic gear that will change for your needs – people will use it more often and will have new goals for them.
An ability to make one of them and then upgrade it to make them ideal for people who want to experiment with builds, and that is something that has to be encouraged in this game, especially with balance updates that sometimes make some builds from good to bad.

There of course will be people who will want to have all stats on each gear and thats great for them too. Everybody would win this way.

What about LEGENDARIES?

Legendaries are extremely pricey, but that cost should be a convenience like unlimited gathering tools.

Basically I would leave them as they are – an item that will always will be max level and with all possible stats as default without a need for any upgrade in the future.

This would work for everyone I guess.
Some people would make ascended items instead for legendaries, but the skin is also part of legendaries exclusivity.

INFUSIONS and SIGILS/RUNES?

I would use this system also on them to allow players unlock sigils on gear more than replace them over and over, especially when with wardrobe we lost ability to reuse once gained runes, that pains many players.

SUMMARY
I would love to see it come to the GW2 as a necessary step when game developers try to make this game more community friendly and that goes towards builds diversity. I see people want that, but without a good tools that would support this it’s still a not enough.

Please think about it.

VOLTCIEAGE.3029:

Maybe Anet servers should finally start working properly , it is lagging as hell since last living story . They said it was DDOS attack but this attack ended long time ago and servers are still lagigng .

I think it has something to do with data transfers or other works behind the scenes before Feature Pack so I don’t worry too much. If it doesn’t go after FP2, I will star to worry.

As for OPs concept of playing I wish you will take a small break and come back. I had one for like 3 months and not only a lot of nice things happened but also I gained kinda new perspective to the game.

I feel many people stopped enjoy what GW2 is and having a break helps with it a lot.

It might be you will find something more suited for your taste, but don’t forget to check on GW2 from time to time.
I hope devs will work on PvP and WvW more in mean time, because this game needs it a lot and I don’t think that they miss the fact.

Ohoni.6057:

But what’s the harm in just picking up 2-3 Ori picks and replacing them as needed? you’re never more than a B button away from a vendor that will sell them.

For me it is a question of: space in inventory and irritation on the fact you can’t replace them in combat vs paying less and from time to time move to WvW to get the stack.

nastyjman.8207:

Now that we have minis and finishers in the wardrobe, how about the gathering tool skins?

The idea is nice.

nastyjman.8207:

I think this is an opportunity to further monetize the gathering tools. Charge 500 gems for the skins, but it won’t be unlimited. Charge another 500 for an unlimited gathering tool,

I would go for 300gem skin and 1000gem whole item.

nastyjman.8207:

to curtail the “pay-to-win” stigma, make it function like the copper-fed-salvage-o-matic. So whenever you gather something, you get charged one copper.

NO!
We see in silver fed salvadge-o-matic they don’t know then to drove the line.
Besides I bought unlimited gathering tools and I don’t agree to any change in the way they work.

They can charge unlimited sprocket pickaxe so it comes back to having 0 income aside from ore.

Behellagh.1468:

Actually the point in the video about making the player be excited about the purchase rings very true in this game. Why do we buy skins? It’s because we like the look. Gathering and salvage tools? Because we like the convenience.

The game has no paywalls. So I don’t understand why people think the cash shop in this game is so bad.

Most of the complaints seem to be from the notion of how it’s getting more difficult to not pay for an item from the cash shop with cash.

Yeah. I see it everyday…
I buy gems from time to time and sometimes I buy them with gold and it’s getting harder and harder. So people that want everything for free will attack the gem store which is really nice (except from easy cash-ins that happened like reskins more than 6 months ago but that was another story).

For me ANet does really good job with gemstore.
I will admit that we should have a bit (only a bit) more new skins in game without gemstore, but lets face it – you don’t have to have them to enjoy the game. You don’t need capitan pases, unlimited gathering tools, or boosters for your games.
I will say more You don’t need more than 1 min (easily bought by gold) per character.
So what are you all so angry for on the gemstore?

You all should enjoy the content and there are no pay walls in this game and for a lot of things that you get for free most game would charge you: wardrobe, wallet, any access to bank, more than 2-3 slots for characters.

Man, reading those threads shows me how much people ungrateful of what we get.

I wont even mention Living Story which is lately really good and the fact you can log in every month without paying a cent.

I know that a lot of people miss replayable content, but I really hope that after making very good LS, devs focus will switch to PvP and WvW more and then come back to Dungeons/SAB.

Sadly most people in this forums think that ANet can really well focus on many game aspects but reality shows that is somehow not the case and ACCEPT IT FINALLY!

Beldin.5498:

I think thats a great item, because nobody wants “pay to win”, and for some people
paying money to save money in the long run already is “pay to win”.

Now this item is clearly a “pay to loose” item in that way .. so everyone who hates
the watchwork pick so much, should clearly buy it

Well I don’t really care what is pay to win for anyone.
We got free gathering and very little saving coper-fed-salvage-o-matic, ant it was all cool, but this it very bad item and I will say it’s very missed design.

Convenience should allow you not to loose or save a little bit, but paying almost 2 times as much per salvage with the initial cost of 500gems – THATS REALLY LOW…

Lishtenbird.2814:

I like convenience items too, but I’m not buying it unless the “silver” cost is cut to 50c, resulting in a logical 11c saving.

They can even call it a “Half-Silver-Fed-Salvage-O-Matic” after that.

I’m looking forward to that.
I will buy and use it then!!!

Thank you all.

Thank you ANet workers (unknown names for me) for changing this to make all colors in one pack and thanks to that give us utility we needed.
THANK YOU A LOT!

Now lets the CDI go well!
Especially with a lot of informations from staff.

dAcIaW.5107:

I thought guild wars 2 wasn’t into vertical progression, and here they are making even items that cost gems feel like they are obsolete because a better item is now available.

I feel that way also…

rogerwilko.6895:

I doubt they care. They hope the issue will die down, and it probably will.
It is still a filthy thing, and I hope they will feel the burn eventually.

I sure hope it won’t but we will see…

The point for me is that we need to firm and don’t let them do things like that without a fuss. It is their company and game but it won’t last if they make us leave because we got sick of what some people do.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

It seems that you just want to find an excuse to attack Anet. Most people understand that GW2 is not a P2W game. But here’s something else. Even if (and that’s a big if) the new Watchwork pick was P2W in another game, technically it can’t be P2W in GW2, because you can get Gems without spending any real money. Gold exchanges to Gems prevent anyone ever trying to call GW2 a Pay 2 Win game. P2W games require spending real money. If there’s a way to obtain virtual game currency without spending money, then it’s not in the P2W category.

Great. Now I know why you don’t see any of my points.
You are so fixed on being offended in ANet place that you fail to see the facts.

Also you wouldn’t be fair enough to check if I was only attacking ANet. No, you will accuse me and dismiss tens of posts that I contributed in CDI (that had nothing attacking in them) to help shape future of this game with many people on this forum. Or maybe I spoke in other posts that did not criticize ANet? Well I did. You didn’t bother to check. Why? It goes well with your point of view. So I guess I can’t speak my mind when I see something wrong…
I find you the one that are very good with accusing.

Anyway I will say it again.
Giving 1 player advantage (even that lousy 1c) over those who don’t have that is P2Win. If you need it to be big and flashy and you fail to see the point to that, well…
Flippers are the richest people in GW2 and most of them earn 1-10c per item, depending what they flip. So that really means that 1c is worthless income.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1citm3/60000_uses_before_the_molten_alliance_pick_is/
“Currently it costs over 24g to buy 800 gems. The description of the pick says it’s the same as an orichalcum pick, which sell for 4s. Therefore you could buy at least 600 orichalcum picks for the same price, and at 100 uses each that comes to 60,000 uses. So extrapolating further, if you only mined for your daily, you would need to mine 7 nodes a day [7 nodes X 3 uses per node=21 uses per day] and your MA pick would be profitable in 2857 days, or 7.8 years, if you don’t mine more than that each day.”

You weren’t able to earn money on unlimited tools since it would take too much time.
Yet now you get extra 8c per node. What will be next? 10c? 20c? 1s?
How much does it have to be before you realize it is an advantage over other people?

I will take a lot, since you show some examples that you would need a blind man to miss that. Thankfully there are a lot o people in this forum that see it a lot better:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Watchwork-Pick-Non-inflammatory-please/page/1

You can read and see.
Thank you for all your responses.

Behellagh.1468:

20% chance for a 40c item. So that’s 8c a node. Oh no that new gold spigot will ruin the game’s economy for good.

Yeah, right.

1st. Those who bought it early got way more cash for it.
2nd. Even if you get only 8c per node it still adds o unlimited tools convenience price:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1citm3/60000_uses_before_the_molten_alliance_pick_is/
“Currently it costs over 24g to buy 800 gems. The description of the pick says it’s the same as an orichalcum pick, which sell for 4s. Therefore you could buy at least 600 orichalcum picks for the same price, and at 100 uses each that comes to 60,000 uses. So extrapolating further, if you only mined for your daily, you would need to mine 7 nodes a day [7 nodes X 3 uses per node=21 uses per day] and your MA pick would be profitable in 2857 days, or 7.8 years, if you don’t mine more than that each day.”

3rd. The worst part is that they ruin sprocket market that existed for 6 month just by adding item like that. What market is next? Spores? Azures? Quartz?

DarkSpirit.7046:

Because they don’t want their gem store to appear that way which would spawn too many complain threads like this one. On the other hand, they are obliged to continue boosting sales of their gem store items, so it is a delicate balance. The old unlimited pick has been around long enough that its sales must be tapering off. They needed something, as successful, to take over so they recycled it with a new feature.

You see they aren’t really trying with many things.
I loved nodes in my instance – thats pure convenience since I don’t have to run around map to get gatherer done, but I would. It just saves time and effort just like caring few extra tools and buying them to get gathering done.

Here is a HUGE list of what people wants:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/List-Of-Things-We-Want-In-Gemstore/first

I would dare to say “if they want to see their business spinning they should use it for a change instead giving us controversial, easy income like: sprocket pick, mr sparkles for real cash or reskins.”

DarkSpirit.7046:

The problem is those who spent the gems to get the old unlimited pick, wanted theirs to be the best in class forever but ArenaNet has never guaranteed that. They also have not guaranteed any free upgrade to existing customers with the old unlimited pick.

If I am ArenaNet, I would also sell a consumable for about 500 gems, that would upgrade existing customers with the old unlimited mining pick to the new one, but that is just me.

The case is we want to not give gathering tools to give economical advantage and ruin small items market.
I would hate upgrades for tools since as I said – THE CORE IDEA IS WRONG. There are many people who state it like that.

cranked.3812:

Let me start by setting the record straight. I have the MAMP. I don’t plan to ever buy the sprocket pick and it has nothing to do with the complaints on the forums. I am perfectly happy with the on I have and don’t need sprockets. I don’t care what anet does so I have no horse in this race.

The thing is: if they add mining Azures that go with high prices now will it be an advantage that again will push people to spend money? Or maybe should they choose some less valuable resource?!

The core idea is just wrong…

cranked.3812:

Having said that, your constant analogies about MS office and cars are not even close to applicable here. First off, when you buy windows you do get free upgrades for a LONG time. If this particular pick was released 10 years after the other one and people were complaining, I would be inclined to agree with you. However, it was released 2 months ago. If Microsoft released new versions of windows every two months and made you buy the latest version to get all the new features at a price tag of $129 would you accept that?

To your point about people wanting free upgrades: I think a lot of people would be happy to be able to spend 100 gems to add on the additional ability to get sprockets. But, instead they would have to flush $12 down the drain by getting rid of their old pick and buy the new pick for another $12 and then another in two months and so on…. I think for the most part people don’t mind spending money on gems to support the game, but stuff like this is crazy and you can’t deny that.

Agreed.

DarkSpirit.7046:

If the newer version doesn’t entice you to buy them then simply don’t buy. Demanding for free upgrades forever, after a 1-time payment, is just lame.

I don’t.

I WANT THAT ADVANTAGE TO BE REMOVED SO ALL ITEMS CAN BE THE SAME GRADE AGAIN WITH ONLY A CONVENIENCE FOR NOT BUYING ONE EACH 33 NODES.

That is the point you fail to see…

Psientist.6437:

On the surface some folks are asking for upgrades, but what they are actually asking for is a product release model that does not devalue their past purchases, a model that does not leave them feeling like a sucker or have them counting how many times they have been fooled.

I love you could see that. That means we still get peoples who understand what some of us write. Thats encouraging a lot. Thank you.

DarkSpirit.7046:

In the same way, those who have bought the old tool get to benefit from it longer than those who have bought the new tool. If you are counting that small 20% sprocket as gold, then you shouldn’t even have bought an unlimited tool because it makes no sense in terms of gold, but only in terms of convenience.

The point of this is that old tools were convenience, but new ones are income generators that give you small but still an advantage. So next items could get you more and more advantage since you stated:

Yes the new mining tools HAVE TO BE BETTER than the old one, otherwise why bother making new mining tools to spur gem store sales?

So basically you ask for more in game advantage with each new item they add. Thats asking for Pay2Win in the face man… Really?!…
There are plenty of games like that out there… Maybe you need to find one for you?

DarkSpirit.7046:

If you really like the new mining pick so much, why don’t you just buy it? Regardless of whether you have the old one or not.

Yes the new mining tools HAVE TO BE BETTER than the old one, otherwise why bother making new mining tools to spur gem store sales?

I bought my car 10 years ago, so this year’s model better not have any new features over my 10 years old car. It is disrespectful and a slap in the face I tell you! And Windows 8 better not have more features than Windows 3.1 which I bought many many years ago. That would be disrespectful of Microsoft and a slap in the face!

I already answered this before, but I can send it to you again:

2nd). You can sell one car and buy newer with few extra $… Oh wait, you can only destroy the old pick… GREAT.

Also keep in mind that you can buy cars from different companies, you can have 3 operating systems that will run GW2: Windows, Linux, Mac, yet Black Lion Trading Company is the only and lately very bad supplier.

Basically game items aren’t real live items, they don’t have the same values of making and selling, but the also don’t have the same other characteristics, so if you want to show similarities, please think about it a bit more and provide good examples.

I write this just because your points are just totally off witch each item you want to point as similarity.

If you want better items I think that skin variety would help this game a lot… (read more posts on this topic on the forum so you won’t take it only as my opinion)

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Sorry mate, but you have absolutely no idea what Pay 2 Win is. P2W means you “pay” to have an advantage over other players. So say Anet offered a Mega Legendary Greatsword that could be wielded by one hand. Say this sword can only be purchased via Gems obtained with real money (no Gem exchanges allowed). Then take two of these uber swords into PvP, and you then have “Pay 2 Win”. Why? Because you “paid” money to have a statistical advantage over a “non-paying” player.

Being able to get a couple of extra sprockets from mining does not come close to “winning”. I’ve said that it comes close, but it doesn’t cross that line.

Well, for me You are the one who doesn’t get one thing.
P2Win isn’t about the scale but the fact.

If you get ANY advantage with gem store it’s still an advantage and it’s P2Win for me.
If you need such an obvious advantage like wilding greatsword by 1 hand to make you believe that you are threated better… That’s just the fact that you choose to dismiss little stuff.

Yet as it was stated:

No. I still don’t think you understand the problem with the situation, even though it is pretty clear in my opinion. The new pickaxe vs ANY other pickaxe will yield additional sprockets, which translates to additional income. Players who buy the new pickaxe will get more income from the same effort than the others. This is the definition of pay to win.
It’s not that the complainers want the new tool, it’s that if they don’t get it they will not have equal chances in terms of earning gold to those that bought it.

Thats the point. Gem store makes chances not equal across the game in terms of gathering gold (not to mention crashing economy around sprockets).

Theundersigned.4761:

What about axes and sickles? How much longer until they get a extra feature?

And what if ArenaNet added a unique sprocket-like item for each tool? Like, the molten tools: …some kind of molten thingy. Plant-ish tools: Pristine toxic spores and stuff. Each individual tool skin has a chance to get a single specific item. So, the logical money maker here would be to get one of each. I personally wouldn’t be surprised if it happened at this point.

On a scale from 1-10, how mad would you be?

For its: 10 – Painful, burning DISASTER!

Still those items would give players normal advantage and player who didn’t bought them would be in worse position. (coming from person who has 11 sets of unlimited gathering tools).

yorick.1305:

biscuit.7540:

IMO, it’s definitely p2w. It would be fine if it’s only skin and effect but actually gaining more stuff is really bad design no matter the value of the item gained. Bad precedent.

What do you actually ‘win’.

This pick gives a ‘permanent advantage’ which is not the same thing as ‘winning’ something in-game.

P2Win means the ability to get more with gem store item that normal person can get by playing.

That wasn’t the case with unlimited tools since you would pay way more for just the fact that you don’t have to replace them, but getting extra things just because you bought it in gem store is seriously P2W as standards say and I fear we will see more of it.

Travis the Terrible.4739:

Rengaru.4730:

By the way:
Comparisons with any real world items are inherently flawed. Any infinite tool you have is de facto worthless (i.e. it has no monetary value) from the moment you pressed the purchase button.

Was using mine as an example. Needless to say though you don’t screw over the existing people who have/are supporting you already which they’ve kind of done here.

I have to say I feel that way, but it seems gem store division looks at people different way.

I think it will soon goes back to them and when it does they will have to find another trick, but in that time people who respected the game, supported it and had fun will be really sick of being threated like they do right now and just move on.

I moved on from my last MMO when they introduced shameful money grabs and I respected ANet for they philosophy. Yet it seems it changed now… So I guess my days in here are kinda counted…

Lord Kuru.3685:

Behellagh.1468:

They must still be selling like hotcakes then. If nobody was buying them and complaining then we might hear from them. Complaining and still buying them is like ravaging the dessert bar while complaining how all these desserts are bad for you.

This.

Or perhaps they don’t care about the long term effects of this because they’ve already given up on the game and just want to do a cash grab before it all ends.

Maybe gem store team.
Others seems to fight for this game survival. I love what they did and do in terms of updates. I got a lot of fun while playing and I wont deny it was worth all money I put into the game.

Yet the term of having fun is hard to gasp when I fell disrespected and offended when I even think about Trading Post and Gem Store that i part of it. They mastered making me feel bad for spending my cash just because I did it before and now now.

Aye.8392:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

While I agree that the new pick is walking a thin line, there’s no real disrespect in the Gem Store. All items are meant for conveniences, and require no real world money to purchase. Getting mad that a current item is better than your previously purchased one, is like getting mad at Toyota because their new 2014 Corolla is better than your 2010 one. It’s just silly.

Nonsense. It isn’t like that at all. This is a pixelated set of programing code that doesn’t get better or worse as “milage” is applied, it gets better or worse as the devs decree it. There aren’t higher product costs, there aren’t more safety features, there isn’t anything except arbitrary developer decision, and it’s a bad decision.

Like the OP I’ve bought a lot of infinite gathering tools. In my mind this isn’t a thin red line, it’s a gaping chasm and clearly pay to win unless they make every orichulcum level pick in the game do the exact same thing. It’s not okay.

100% Agreed…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

TooBz.3065:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

While I agree that the new pick is walking a thin line, there’s no real disrespect in the Gem Store. All items are meant for conveniences, and require no real world money to purchase. Getting mad that a current item is better than your previously purchased one, is like getting mad at Toyota because their new 2014 Corolla is better than your 2010 one. It’s just silly.

Or because the 2014 Corolla made in January is better than the 2014 Corolla made in August.

Edit: Changed the month for accuracy

If you like the newer model over the older one, simply buy the new one. Both are functionally the same, only one has a minor improvement.

I think that you miss the point.
1st). adding drop like this is just wrong on economy and for all previous users.
2nd). you sell one car and buy newer with few extra $… Oh wait, you can only destroy the pick… GREAT.
3rd). How long will people be slapped in the face? For me in real world unsatisfied customers leave the shop. In this case it has to go with whole game, but as I stated I already am taking it personally and look for place when I won’t fell as ANet shop made me feel.

I will just add my opinion.

Lately it’s another kinda offending practice in GW2 gem store and I feel really disappointed.
I guess they want me to feel bad for spending money on my 11 sets of unlimited tools.
Well so they made their point. I really feel bad…

I also feel bad by the fact they don’t want to respond to our posts and correct mistakes like the one they just did.

I don’t know what will be next? Does ANet Gem Store division want to make me feel even more disappointed?
Just like I felt about selling item (this time they sold Mr Sparkles) for real world cash and threw equivalent with extra bonus gems. They did reskins and elevated prices of single item up to 500 gems. What will go next?
…

I will ask how much does it has to go to make them let us feel bad about playing the game or paying money in GW2 for the fun we got playing?
I feel like they lost a kind of standard that worked in terms of game shop items for over a year, and now I won’t say anymore that gem shop is for convenience only.

Sadly this makes my game experience bad and I have already started looking for another game since December Mr Sparkles sell. So I will see how many more slaps in the face (like those examples above) will I take.

For everyone who thinks this is fun… Good for you. I hope you will see it like that in the future, especially if people really will go away.

Asmodeus.5782:

Well, it’s hard to respond in any way except ‘lol, because we could’. They’ve basically cheated all players who bought the infinite tools before. I got 7 sets. I should know. ;D

I have to agree. That probably is the case.

mtpelion.4562:

Keep in mind that we forum dwellers represent a minority of players. It will be the sales figures that tell them anything useful, not complaints here.

If this pick sells well, you can expect more in the future. If it does not sell well, then the experiment will end.

Let them sell all they want and people will buy it but i REALLY HOPE more and more people will stop playing GW2 thanks to ideas like gem store has lately.

I can say for myself I’m sick of it!

I will just add my opinion.

It’s another offending practice in GW2 and I feel disappointed.

I guess they want me to feel bad for spending money on my 11 sets of unlimited tools.
Well so they made their point. I really feel bad…

So what is next? How can I be more disappointed?
They sold Mr Sparkles for real world cash already (with some extra bonus gems)

I will ask how much does it has to go to make them let us feel like this game has lost it’s all standards that worked in terms of game shop items for over a year.

Sadly this makes my game experience bad and I have already started looking for another game since December Mr Sparkles sell. So I will see how many more slaps in the face will I take.

Have fun everyone who think it’s funny. Others probably like me don’t see it like that.

Sarrs.4831:

lordkrall.7241:

Septemptus.7164:

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

Of course the can. That’s the point.

We were supposed to play the game that won’t make us run in endless gear treadmill, but if I spend thousands of gems for inferior tools it’s OK, because it’s not really a gear?

Well, for me it is. So I won’t just sit and wait. I really expect them to address the issue.

Manuhell.2759:

Sarrs.4831:

lordkrall.7241:

Septemptus.7164:

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

They could have done it with people with the old digital deluxe as well. They didn’t. And no one was bothered by it, often calling out people who didn’t like getting their version obsoleted as self-entitled, or saying that we got what we paid for.
This is the same situation…there are just more people involved – and burned.
And since they weren’t bothered at all before, they deserve it – too easy complaining only if the situation impacts you directly. If people were against these practices, they should have posted six months ago. They didn’t. Now enjoy your obsolete tools as i’m enjoying my obsolete digital deluxe. And if you aren’t happy…you can just buy the new one – that’s what we were being said about the items introduced, after all.

If you mean one purchase for few $ or 2k gems, sure.

If you want to sit and do nothing it’s your way, but be sure there are those who will leave the game because it will be the last drop for them.

The way gemstore works is just shameful lately. Even before reskins they started pushing prices up a lot. Now we have 1 piece of gear worth 500 gems (well paint for the face would hardly be called a helmet)? That is price for full 6 pieces GW1 armor skins… Great work…

If they want to have more people playing and spending money they really need to listen to people and don’t make them feel bad for paying a lot of gems. Just look on the forum. People feel bad about it.

I bought 11 sets of tools for all my characters and now they will be marked one by one as inferior? Why? Because I bought the too early? Really?
Great work. You just make me regret spend any cash in gem store.

What is next? People from ANet will make me regret playing in GW2 all together?

And I think if Legendaries will not be BiS for every level cap you will see how many people will leave GW2.

The same is my feeling towards buying 11 sets of tools that will probably be all made inferior just like pickaxe is now.

We were supposed to play the game that won’t make us run in endless gear treadmill, but if I spend thousands of gems for inferior tools it’s OK, because it’s not really a gear?

Well, for me it is.

Also don’t go with the ascended because people already addressed the issue in CDI and basically it was like: “Another tier and GW2 will loose a lot of people and they have to make it way easier to get them because people are that much dissatisfied with the ascended crafting and grind around it”.

For me that doesn’t make it OK to use similar practices to the tools
I see many people who aren’t happy with that and I REALLY HOPE THEY WONT STOP POSTING ABOUT IT UNTIL THE ISSUE WILL BE RESOLVED!

It might be an offtopic, but can there be a CDI about gemstore?

Since there are really questionable things in there for like last 3 months:
reskins, buys with real world moneys with some extra gems as equivalent and now new tools that makes previous unlimited gathering tools inferior.

Also with many items that were provided as an idea for the gem store that aren’t even remotely addressed and prices going up like crazy (mask for 500 gems and whole set of armor for 800gems, really?)

I think some people would love to get a thread to peak out loud on what is going on?
I assume it’s all because there are probably less and less customers and thats due to the way it works.

For me it makes me feel offended and when I look on GW2 and I think about gem store and how I feel also and it ties to the game experience for me. So please think about it and I will hope for CDI to enter that forum also.

Kamui.3150:

The item has an interesting function which I think COULD have its place, but which I feel should have been done differently. For anyone that enters the game after the Marionette is gone, they will likely be cut off from a sprocket resource forever. They can’t get the home instance one anymore, and the Scarlet attacks around Tyria will apparently be ending soon, so that source will be unavailable as well. So the only other option would be to buy up lots of them on the TP. With this tool, those that buy it would have a way to slowly build up sprockets as they play the game. The issue that arises, is when will this end?

Thats not the issue.

There are thousands of peoples who have the node in home and that is the best way to give it any value at all to allow the to sell it to people who don’t have it.

Also since it is a mass scale because so many people have the node the price will never, never ever go very high, but it will be worth the effort to go home (which will cost up to 10s 2 ways), mine it and sell sprockets they mine.

ACT 1 is in: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Disrespect-in-gem-store/first#post3306486

Please read at least 1st post, but If you don’t want here is a summary:
I wrote before how gem store is just showing bad nature by making reskins and then the shameful (for me) option to buy mini Sparkles for real live money and get equivalent with 4k gems (since you can get it only by paying with real money).

ACT 2 now.

Now we get another gem store way to make people feel bad.
Many of us bought unlimited gathering tools, at least 1 set to swap it around characters. Some bought few and others like me bought (11 sets) for all of my characters.

It was fine for us all to be able to gather it all and have fun. You kinda pay a lot of money (really for every player that just play the game and spends money on it), for something that EVERYONE, just everyone pointed as a best in slot item.

I know. I know. ANet never said it will be true, but they make those items return 2 times, released another set of those unlimited gathering tools and everyone seemed to just like everyone thought: It’s best in slot with all different skins.

THAT WAS OUR MISTAKE. Don’t trust it. Don’t trust anything you see.
It’s just not true in GW2…

Now it’s thank you but since you didn’t pay fortune for the latest models you won’t get additional money from selling sprockets that drop like crazy with 20% chance per use.
Not to mention that this way they will just kill any value that sprockets could have in TP (great move, I tell you).

From another thread on the topic of mining picks:

This isn’t P2W people. You aren’t winning the game by getting a few more mats from a node.
This, however, is a slap to the face to people who bought previous mining picks.

So in the end we get a great imbalance in TP and slap in the face for everyone who ever bought the tools for themselves.

I don’t know what to do now?
Hold my purchases until something is labeled as legendary (games BiS)?
Or will it be also replaced by something else?

I thought they made nice gesture be making my tools bound to account even though I never needed it. But now I will know that every time I look on them or just use them I will know that I use inferior stuff. Some will say it’s OK with them, but for me for paying as much as I did for my tools – this is just disappointing and DISRESPECTFUL.

(Please NO DRAMA here)
I will also ask people who bother to read this post to the end:
How many slaps in the face do you need to stop caring for updates and leave GW2?

I personally am very invested a lot in GW2 since playing in GW1, but since my ACT 1, I started searching for alternative game, so I’m not yet out but I’m thinking about it a lot.
I guess I will see how many slaps is my limit. How many is yours?

Seriously I’m kinda fed on how ANet threats people who use gem store.
Its worse and worse for like last 3 months.

I hope they know that it makes people feel bad and there is a line when feeling bad will stop people from playing even if they throw in the best content ever. People will just not get in to experience it because they will feel betrayed one time too many.

And of course it mechanic like that will break any additional currency market for forever. So sprockets are useless forever. That’s just sad for everyone who wanted to use them when they will have higher price, just like old skin does.

Xista.7391:

This isn’t P2W people. You aren’t winning the game by getting a few more mats from a node.

This, however, is a slap to the face to people who bought previous mining picks.

Yes, I feel slapped 11 times (as many as I have MAMP).

Besides it will ruin all economy around sprockets and the existing node in home will be useless.

That’s all great. Great work…

Witaminka.4650:

Where is my 20% UPDATE on my 2x Molten Minig Pick? Where? WHERE???

I’m also dissapointed, but I have 11 of them and now what?

Seriously I’m kinda fed on how ANet threats people who use gem store.
Its worse and worse for like last 3 months.

I hope they know that it makes people feel bad and there is a line when feeling bad will stop people from playing even if they throw in the best content ever. People will just not get in to experience it because they will feel betrayed one time too many.

Zaxares.5419:

Maybe, but this sets a bad precedent. I have no problem with new tools with different animations being released, but a new unlimited pick, for the same price as the previous ones, that gives EXTRA loot per swing? Why would we ever buy the old picks again? Or buy the tools now knowing that they could be superseded by future releases?

I really want someone from ANet to respond to this and let us know if this behaviour is intended.

I want it also.

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

This is really slap in the face… Great work… Whoever is responsible for it.
Make people even more frustrated by the gem shop, so we will probably stop using it all together with GW2.

Well if you look at it carefully I would say they will do polymock fights only for non account bound minis, which would mean only S1 and S2 minis would participate.

Some will ask: Why?
The answer is simple. They would never do an activity that would give advantage to those who were playing for 2 years and some just entered the game. For that manner they would only use minis that can be bought by everyone who just want to have them. That is almost dedicated to seasonal minis, not those special ones that went to a sell and now they are gone.

Blude.6812:

Actually yes you should. Home peeps should always have priority.

If you can have different home for 1800gems that that does not mean a thing.
I can whine whole day that all WvW guilds left Underworlds and we went from 15th position to 23th (or so) and we will fall even more I guess.

So what?
I could change my “home” when I want, so I don’t whine about that and you shouldn’t either just because you don’t want to gather platinum and wood for 1h waiting for TQ.
You are not entitled to be better because you call 1 server home, please remember that.

This game is for people to have fun. If you think that you have the only right to have fun on event because your server has more people that are good in events, please just change the game and allow others to have fun.

ToT.7018:

This will rumble on forever more with home players missing events.

I totally agree that everyone should be able to experience all the game and if guesting to a more populated server to do this then so be it.

I thought originally guesting was implemented so you could join a friend on another server so maybe that friend should invite you over first before you can guest.
Maybe join the low populated servers together to fill them up.

This ground has been covered several times before and i’m sure will be raised again in the future.

You are right and I agree 100%.

Basically some people want to feel special because they think they have right to be first since that is their server? Right…. I can pay 1800gems and it will be also my server. Whats the point if I want to do events on one server and play with friends on other 2 servers?

Am I worse than others because I’m not from this server but I will wait 1h before event and use that time to have fun with my 2 year old daughter?

Please people, think before you write and FEEL LESS ENTITLED TO BE BETTER THAN OTHERS so we can have fun together.

I would love to get obsidian elementalist armor.

Essence Snow.3194:

I feel bad for the newer players just trying to level up jewel crafting that are effected by the rise in price due to pure speculation of profit.

New players do zones and gather ore, silver ore, gold ore and such. How come you think they are poor?

I think that is just a people play, but it can also be a bot. Unfortunately I dont think anyone will sell any buy order because they would rather undercut sell orders to get as much gold as they can.

It’s an old skin and many people just have it used, only few people have it for sell, most of them won’t get desperate enough to fill buy order.

In other words, buy it from the offers is most likely only way you can get it.