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Why is the community so easily discouraged?

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Personally I think it come down to the type of community a game caters to. I have been playing MMOs since UO (I am showing my age) and different games attract different communities.

For example: UO started out with a bit more of a hard core community, required a monthly fee, and was originally open world pvp except for in town. This was later pulled back by creating Trammel and Felucia. The game went into more of what the vet gamers referred to as “car bearish” and it became more about economy and open world sandbox than pure PVP.

If you were around for the 1st guild wars, the community was a bit different as well. When it first launched it was driven more toward the diablo 2 community/phantasy star crowd. Most stuff could be soloed in story but end game required guilds or friends to assist. The game was originally developed for end game to be more PvP based hence the name “guild wars” and they based most income off of selling expansions and the periodical vanity outfit for the holidays. Later name/character change items were brought into the mix. As for game development the story lines got more in dept and they attempted to make 2 Raid dungeons. However most of the end game became working the same content but in hard mode, earning prestige gear and working through faction ranks to increase faction skills and earn elite skills. The game all around was geared toward people who would grind for things such as the Hall of Monument, gear, skills and titles. The game was never about lvl as the max lvl was 20 and about the gear/skill/faction progression.

Than you have Guild Wars 2. This game was originally developed for the Guild Wars 1 audience but making content more group interactive than single player and creating a more open world (less hub based). However Anet simply turned it’s back on them about a year before launch. Once Anet figured out they could steal a bit of the WoW community as well as other audiences interested in a more short term lucrative “eastern” market they started introducing there own cash shop (gem store) and started gearing toward an audience that wanted instant results without having to play with others or spend much time in the game to accomplish objectives. These as well as other changes in wrongful balancing of classes, not keeping promises with content and ignoring such problems as the still broken HoM ended up alienating a lot of the GW1 community. I myself left for about a year after the failed balance of thieves, gem store and the failed promise to release new content ever 2 months. The final stab was when they started making it easier to lvl to 80.

GW2 was missing a lot of stuff that held attention of the GW1 crowed such as a primary and secondary profession, endless amounts of skills. GW1 has roughly by the end 150 skills per profession. This was outside of the faction skills. An attempt at end game raids/dungeons, prestige faction armor and faction title/skill grinds. Long story short end game still had a lot to go back and do while grinding for better things/skills. GW2 only has legendary weapons which was a huge turn off being that when they first release they required a lot of PvP grind that alienated PvMers (half GW1’s crowd). Now they a totally obsolete due to ascended gear unless you want the skin/effect.

Fast forwarding to HoT expansion, Anet has a lot of distrust from there core GW1 audience. There audience of gamers who wanted instant gradification have since become fickle and moved on. The gem store cash cow has since left the barn and now Anet struggles to make amends with it’s GW1 community. At this point Anet is off making a lot of promises such as total class re-balances, more faction grinds in the expansion to create new legendary weapons and a new class to bring back some excitement. However in doing so a lot of the promises they are making have no teeth in there bite as we still have 1. no release or a hint at a release for the expansion even though they are taking pre-orders for a month now. 2. Re-balancing the classes so they are all playable which is just killing thieves again as well as introducing a butt load of bugs and glitches. In the mean time no acknowledgement or even a word on any fixes. 3. Promising there new class will not be OP, but making it so that it fulfills the spot for any other class in a party and slowly removing any limitations in order to make it elite and sell more copies. 4. Still missing 4 specializations (5 if you include reverent) with again no talk about this for months.

I can go on an on about Anet and what they need to do to earn the GW1 community back and how they are failing at it. However time will tell all.

Thank you. You said for us how many of us felt about Anet. Unfortunately, they think they can string us along without a living story or release date. Then again, every game has a shelf life, I think GW2 is getting there.

Why is the community so easily discouraged?

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It’s not the community in general, it’s just already disgruntle players with grudges against the company/devs. They are exceptionally bored at the moment so any little thing sets them off on a rant. Just remember those who post on the forums are a tiny portion of the player base and it’s human nature that it’s easier to complain than praise.

You hit it on the spot…they are so bored!

All this promise of updates and now they get nothing. The game is 3 years old and a lot players are still hanging on, hoping new contents will come. As for me, I’m not Pre-purchasing HoT, because I’m almost at the point where I’m ready to put this game away for good, it’s just too boring.

Healing Spring Bug

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Anet broke it and it doesn’t seem like they care.

What is wrong with healing spring?

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Healing spring is totally useless now…does anybody at Anet even plays a ranger?

Guardian update

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Your “fix” seriously broke teq. Please either undo this “fix” or fix all the other problems as well.

Agreed…Anet undo the mess you created.

DPS is broken and we are tired of it

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I agree with OP, I’m done with this game. Every time they fix something, they just end up screwing it up more. Man…who is managing all these updates and ideas, I think it’s time for that person to be replaced.

Tequatl Feedback [Merged]

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It’s doable….

BUT

It takes more organization and if you get players unwilling to listen at all, kiss it goodbye.

From PUG??? Anet’s logic just sucks, if this is the direction they taking, I think I’ll skip HoT.

Questions about gem store promos

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Maybe OP should mention he’s willing to use cash. Otherwise you not going to get attention for gold to gem conversion, especially since it’s been rigged to not exceed 80 for 10 gold.

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Could we get something to do until HoT?

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They just added new content for the veteran players…it’s call killing Teq.

Teq, Triple Trouble, and Dungeons

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How do I use this Guardian “exploit” people are talking about? I want to use it too before Anet nerf this “exploit”.

Tequatl Feedback [Merged]

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Soon people are going to skip Teq like do Triple Trouble. Good Job Anet!

NERF Bloodtide Coast Farming.

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It’s the island with the plagued Quaggans on it. Pick a class with a good distance weapon. Strip armor. Aim at candy corns. Don’t use utility skills or pets.

Beware, people are popping in to destroy the farm.

Thanks, but why am I stripping armor and pets?

NERF Bloodtide Coast Farming.

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Wow…I didn’t know about this farm. Can someone tell me the waypoint and what I should be doing?

New appreciation for Dry Top

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same here, I never really got into Dry Top or knew what to do there, but want to get into it now that there’s more ppl.

One question…what happens when you hit Tier 6?

+8 Agony crafting

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But if you manage +30, you win the game and unlock mounts which take you to Cantha

I heard about that.

Kicking should stay anonymous

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With the update, kicking has been applied to the chat log-for everyone.
Recently I was running AC P2 and someone in our pug group didn’t pull the boss right. Another person viciously attacked them, basically bullying them and then some. The bully then focused on the rest of us unleashing other verbal abuses.
I figured the fastest thing to do is kick the bully. And surprise it comes up that I decided to kick them. The bully then turned their attention all on me and made it unbearable to stay. I left. Later I was messaged that another person from the group wanted to help, but didn’t want what happened to me to happen to them.
I think the kicking should be kept anonymous to the person being kicked for this reason. It’s crippling the more timid individuals and giving the jerks an advantage.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but grow some skin man. You CAN mute the guy. And you SHOULD have muted the guy. If he started making bad pulls to continue screwing with you after you muted him, or anything of the like, then I doubt anyone would object to kicking him. Soooo…. yeah. Grow up is the best I can tell you.

That’s not the point, he just wants to play the game, not have to worry about being harassed. Anet, screwed up and they have open the door to bullying. It’s like Anet is endorsing the bullying. This was unnecessary, nobody asked for this.

Kicking should stay anonymous

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I agree with OP, I don’t understand the need to do this, it just opens it up for people to be bullied.

The Shatterer has a twin and I have proof!

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I have been killing these guys for over a year…there’s no end to them.

People angry over area map completition...

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I agree with OP, they should have known that mixing WvW with PVE would cause a toxic environment. The same thing happened in GW1 when PVE and PVP was tied into each other at the beginning, and ppl would argue about it all the time. I don’t understand Anet sometimes, they learned nothing from their mistakes.

Thinking of going Mesmer

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You are going to have a miserable time leveling it. Mesmer under level 80 without good traits are weak, boring and frustrating. Even with traits, its still weak.

Why is entire game being balanced around sPvP

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Since the majority of players are pve, while don’t they just rid of pvp.

Why a paid expansion makes sense

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I’m willing to pay for an expansion. Anet make it happen, I’ll be there the first day with my credit card.

What is the point of doing Triple Trouble?

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It’s too hard, I have never completed Triple Trouble, nor do I care too.
I’m not elite enough.

Home Instance Bandit Chest

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I won’t be opening the home instance chest, it’s just a waste of a key with the lost of MF. I rather spend it in SW since I’m there at least once a day.

Final LS boss help needed

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So by making it more frustrating, Anet thinks that equals more content?

[SUGGESTION] Bria! make her a world boss

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I agree with OP, we need new world bosses and Bria would be a good choice.

Inactive players trolls our forum.

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I rage quit all the time, and on that same night I would be farming bosses till the wee hours. Repeat again the next day.

frustrated as a PVE player.

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I don’t PVP, Craft, do JP’s, dungeon run or WvW with any regularity. I don’t consider myself casual, but judge for yourself.

Speaking of jumping puzzles, have you seen how empty the area from last JP update. Nice going Anet, you wasted a chunk of SW map for for something people will only do once, then abandon. No wonder China is dumping this game.

Just did my first Tequatl

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great! now go do triple trouble!

Am I the only one that have never completed Triple Trouble or are there others?

Massively: best MMO studio 2014

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Arenanet stoppped working in 2012, how could they be nominate for 2014 ?

I couldn’t stop laughing because its so true.

What excites you about the future of GW2?

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One of the things I am excited about for the future of Guild Wars 2, and for Anet, is me finishing my Bachelors Degree in Information Technology and working for Anet. That will be a great day, not only for Anet, but for millions of players world wide.

:D

Will you be bringing in the type of skills builds and contents like how we had in GW1, if you are, then you got the job.

Downed state

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I don’t know what OP is talking about, my main is a ranger and my pets can not out-heal an attacked. You must be doing something wrong.

What excites you about the future of GW2?

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Open world dungeons

Please add build saving!

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What builds…there’s only a handful depending on your weapon/traits.
This is not awesome like GW1, which had thousands of builds. It’s a shame, we should of kept some of the great group of talented people from GW1.

Fantastic!!

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OP, I had that feeling once, but with GW1, and that was the last time.

Has Living Story failed?

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What confuse me is the last update with the jumping puzzle, why waste resources on it when Anet know full well that a lot of people don’t like JP. And look at it now, it’s practically empty. I don’t know who makes these final decisions at Anet, but that person needs to be replaced.

A lot of people love the JP and I have heard very few complaints about it.

And have you seen how empty it is now?

Has Living Story failed?

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What confuse me is the last update with the jumping puzzle, why waste resources on it when Anet know full well that a lot of people don’t like JP. And look at it now, it’s practically empty. I don’t know who makes these final decisions at Anet, but that person needs to be replaced.

Upcoming Daily/Monthly changes 12/10/14

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Slight problem with the entire post.

You will get what you already got from the old dailies, laurels / coins /karma etc just by logging in. You don’t even NEED to do anything to get them anymore.

The new dailies are slightly more “challenging” because according to the post they will give new rewards…

“Rather than having a generic reward for all achievements, each one will give players something that is thematically tied to the content they’re playing. Completing a fractal daily achievement will get you an extra pristine fractal relic, some additional agony resistance , and a tome of knowledge; taking a tower in WvW for an achievement will grant you World vs. World experience and additional badges of honor; or capturing a point in PvP will give you additional reward track progress. "

Old system:

Do boring generic staff, get coin, laurel, karma (the way you want)

New System:

Do more specific staff, earn extra rewards
Just log-in: get coin, laurel and karma

The new DAILIES will give EXTRA rewards based on the daily you do. I guess you completely missed (or ignored on purpose) that very important part. How exactly is that bad? Do fractal daily, get extra relic. Capture keeps in WvW, get extra badges, kill 5 people in PVP, get extra rank points. In other words you are REWARDED for completing those dailies… that’s why their requirements are more specific.

The way to keep everyone happy I guess is to add 4 new dailies WITHOUT ANY REWARDS for those are too bored to care, and keep the other 4 for those who care about the new rewards.

I didn’t quite uderstand before, but if this is true that we still getting laurels and extra loot, then this update will be awesome. This might actually be one of their best updates.

Bot Hot Spots

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My only concern is innocent real people getting caught up in this and banned because they need to AFK for real life purpose.

Mail Carrier Customization Added

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I don’t get this, what is it for? Don’t we already have a mailing system?

Vote for GW2 - Best MMO 2014

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I voted for WoW, because Blizzard has better communication with customers on the “stuff” they are working.

Reverting the Changes Made by the NPE?

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Even though they knew they screw it up, they have too much pride to undo it.

Anet is working on "Stuff"

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Working hard or hardly working. It feels like the latter.

PvE players demanding, impossible to satisfy

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The last update was a joke, it was done it 15 minutes, and now what are we left with…a kittening pac-man game. Silverwaste was a good one, Dry Top is boring. Learn from these mistakes and stop releasing BS updates.

Time to refocus and clarify GW2's goals?

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So Anet wants us to invest more money/gems into the game…but won’t tell us anything about their plans. Yeah, Sure!

Severe Sense of Decline?

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I agree with OP, and this LS model is just isn’t cutting it, especially this last one. It needs an expansion like GW1 to maintain players interest. Just going by my guild, people are logging in less and less.

Dear Comunication Team

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I agree with OP, we are just too in the dark here. They tell us nothing, other developers would provide the gamers with a vision and direction they want to take, not here. It’s so kitten frustrating.

Wait...that's it?!

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The episodes 5-6-7-8 is a result of a 6 months work. For the same amount of time, blizzard make 1/4 of their expansion, bioware make a complete SWTOR’s expansion. Anet, a 350 workers company, make a mini-map and a single questline.

GW1 had a 6 month timeline for their entire campaigns….something is strange here

They’re entirely different. GW2 is much more involved.

I disagree, GW1 had thousands of skills with 10s of thousands of build combination, and it needed to be balance between pve and pvp…now thats more harder. I don’t know who makes the final decisions at Anet now, but’s they are terrible at it.

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Wait...that's it?!

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I’m stuck at work, but after hearing it’s only 15 minute long, I’m not to excited about going home and playing it now.

Plant Slayer Achievement

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You are right…I guess an oversight by Anet.