Guild Wars 2

You can have plenty of gold even at level 2, you just have to sit on the TP and play the market many hours a day ^^
Either way i don’t like that way of getting gold, are you a goldfarmer or anything? I just play the game normally, and gold comes in, 34g, 16k gems and two full sets of exotic gear…the good thing is all you need to play on equal conditions on GW2 is about…20g?

Leiloni.7951:

Well people need some way of making money so you can’t introduce a mob drop penalty to those events or anything like that. Unless you want a broken game with a bad economy and dwindling popuation (coughteracough) then they need to make it easy and fun to earn money.

I would prefer that events give more money and not having mobs drop anything than playing the tagging mobs thingy, money can be earned in many other ways, you just won’t get 2-3g per hour which is what breaks economy.

I like WvW because it’s all about killing the enemy, sPvP is more about capturing and defending…i mean…in sPvP all builds are oriented to do that, holding a point or capture it so it gets quite boring.
In WvW you can just explore the map and make it feel like “World PvP”, it’s not just about zergs. So, WvW has what sPvP offers, and more.

Well, since Anet doesn’t really promote farming, i bet they will come with some sort of mobs drop penalty for such events. Easy fix would be to fill events with champion mobs instead of weak normal mobs, that way at least everyone stands a chance…otherwise simply remove these waves of mobs and make it an elite mob. Or…make event mobs not drop anything at all and raise event’s rewards (this would be the best imo, win/win for everyone).

Sword/Axe is a pretty neat combo, whirlwing defense is very good and rarely used by people. Dagger plays more defensive.

Well, ranger has problems to stay alive in melee range, but for leveling that’s not an issue, sword actually makes quite good damage so you will be fine.

However in dungeons or PvP being always in melee range is not a great idea.

For leveling i advice you to use shortbow as a secondary weapon, to kill champion mobs and whatever you think it’s going to hurt you at melee range. Longbow is not really good for leveling.

This game is not about sticking to a weapon, that’s why you probably haven’t seen many using sword/dagger, but it’s a perfectly fine combo (it’s more defensive), sword/horn or sword/axe is also great, horn mainly for the buff, axe has whirlwing defense which reflects projectiles and do a good amount of damage, very handy offhand.

MeGaZlo.9516:

I will not argue. You obviously were not at all dungeons and did not play all classes. And to explain cobmat mechanics and bring figures is too long and… it’s already in other topic somewhere . Just look for.

I did not play all classes, but did you? Do you have all classes at 80 and did dungeons with all of them to say ranger is the worst damage dealer in PvE dealing 2 times less damage than some classes? If not, all it seems is that you probably have a ranger, played it quite bad and rerolled to another character that makes big numbers and thinks hitting for 5k is twice the DPS rangers have, DPS is not big numbers.

So, you didn’t test it, but i’m a troll? Right.

As i said, go ahead and post your proof that GS covers more range…you didn’t even know 1h sword has 2 evades until today…

When someone can’t argue properly, that’s the typical answer.

nldixon.8514:

[Edit: I’d actually take the time to prove to you that you’re wrong if I thought you’d be willing to part with that 200g. Or that you even have it.]

Sure, upload a video using both and i’ll give you all my gold and ask a GM to transfer you all my Gems, obviously after i upload mine showing that sword covers more range than GS. Maybe my ranger is special and has higher range with sword…or you just don’t use it properly.

Let’s see who is the real troll. The real question would be, would you give me 200g if you are wrong? Arguing over stuff you didn’t test…that’s interesting.

Btw, mine is a sylvari male ranger, perhaps different races have different animations (which i doubt).

If you think rangers do two times less damage than other classes in dungeons i think the one who has a lot of imagination is you.

Yes, melee classes also have ranged attacks, how many of them hit 700-1500 per shortbow autoattack (2 per second), gain quickness every 15-20 seconds and have a pet that also does 1-3k damage if you can keep it alive (which is not as hard as people say, just in certain encounters they die almost instantly). Not to mention skills like QZ that pretty much allow you to switch to longbow and use vulnerability and then rapid fire + QZ and Barrage, you get to shoot Rapid Fire and almost a whole Barrage in those 4 seconds…with berseker gear that’s like 7-13k Rapid Fire and i don’t even know how much from Barrage.

My imagination is so good that i did these tests always in twilight arbor right before the first boss, i get behind one of the worms and hit the one the rest are hitting, i do the same most of the times in all pulls but on that one i can clearly see my damage output and i send the pet to the one the rest of the team is attacking so that’s actually less damage. Also on magg path with the two guards right before the bomb i did the same testing…same result and that one actually hits back.

If you saw a ranger dying a lot in dungeons or you die a lot in dungeons then you/they are doing something wrong.

If you ever see a ranger doing poor damage in dungeons it’s because they are using Axe, GS or who knows what else as main weapon, and they use bad traits.

Go ahead and test it ingame, if you still say that GS swoop is 1.100 units and Hornet Sting + Monarch’s Leap is 1.000 i will give you 200g.
Description may be wrong or Swoop bugged, but if that has 1.100 units then the 1h sword has 1.400 real units or so, that or my ranger is bugged which i doubt it.

The evade on GS is a joke because to use it you actually have to hit your target, every third attack is an evade and that’s…let me say it…pure garbage. It’s 2-3 seconds for an evade to pop, 2-3 seconds where the enemy is hitting you harder than you hit them.

The evade on Hornet Sting is not negligible because there are other things that hit you other than melee attacks…like for example ranged attacks come to my mind, and this game is filled with ranged attacks. You have to do the same with the GS and the Sword, the difference is that with the GS you are getting hit while you do it unless you dazed him first (but yet other people around will still hit you) and with the sword you evade that second while you cancel your target and turn around your camera, i can’t believe you are still arguing that GS is better at that.

It’s two evades, one with 8 seconds cooldown with leap included, and the other one has 15 seconds with poison, both also do damage.

You know nothing about the sword as everything you seem to say is simply wrong, it just looks like you read through sword skills and miss half of what it does. And i say it again, the range shown in the skills description has nothing to do with the real range when you use these skills.

I don’t think other classes do twice the dps of the ranger in PvE, some classes do have some burst like thieves or warriors but they are also exposed to take a lot of damage, so in result rangers are hitting the mobs 95% of the time while some of these classes with good burst spend more time running or avoiding hits than doing damage.

In PvE rangers damage is fine, hell…i’d even say on single targets they are superior to many classes. Rangers are worse for burst damage, but they win in the long run when killing bosses/elite mobs. In dungeons i can see that when we are killing trash mobs and i decide to solo one, by the time the other 4 players finish an elite which i’m also hitting i already got the second one to at least 70% with only me hitting that mob. (can hit two mobs at the same time easily thanks to the piercing arrows if you know a bit about positioning and which target to take).

Did you even use GS leap and believe that’s 1.100 units? Try both and you will see sword covers much more range overall, you are still missing the point that the first leap from sword also evades. Using sword leap gives you enough time to cancel your target and turn around, where as the GS makes you do the same BEFORE using the leap which doesn’t even avoid. Just the leap itself from the sword already covers almost the same range as GS not counting the evade itself.

The evade on GS is pathetic, if you get to use it then you are in melee, dealing crap damage and taking a lot of damage.

That’s 2 evades vs 1 crappy block and daze, one of the evades being on 8 seconds cooldown.

But whatever, stick to your lovely GS, to be playing your ranger for so long you know very little about the sword…sure 1.100 is more than 1.000, but ingame those 1.100 are more like 800.

nldixon.8514:

Uh, what? Sword has NO block, it has NO daze or stun, it has ONE evade on a 15 second cool down, and it has a leap that’s on an eight second cool down, but is only 400 units. It’s an entirely different weapon and doesn’t have nearly as much utility or mobility as the greatsword.

You fail to grasp the function of the greatsword. I can tell because you keep talking about fighting in melee with it. It’s not for fighting in melee. It’s for surviving until you can get into a more advantageous position. Which is kind of the point of the Ranger class in general.

Sword leap covers more range than GS, and much better because it doesn’t just cover one direction and the first leap you don’t even have to care about canceling your target and turning around which makes it 10x better. I know you use it for surviving, but be honest…the block is garbage and very situational, just like the daze which lasts for 1 second.

I talk about melee combat because sword allows you to do it in a efficient way aswell as using it to get range or avoid hits, GS leap is just that…a leap, sword one also has avoid on it. Not to mention that’s 3 skills out of 5, using horn that’s the best buff ranger has and a mediocre ranged attack.

Judging what you said, either you didn’t use a sword or you don’t know how to use it. You should try it a bit more, the second skill is a leap which avoids and at the same time does damage, and if you decide to strike them back it causes cripple, and the third skill is an avoid which also does damage and inflicts poison not to mention the autoattack also causes cripple, it’s the best melee weapon rangers have despite the fact that it roots you.

I can guarantee that if you are capable of surviving well with a GS you will be godlike with sword/horn, GS is just not enough to give you more range over your enemy.

You can do the same (better actually) move to get away with a sword, and has shorter cooldown than GS, which makes it much better for what you seem to use the GS (traps, block and run away).
What you didn’t notice is that not all classes are melee, most of the classes won’t give a crap that you are at range because they will still hit you, and if you melee with GS you do lower damage and take the same or even more hits.
Also a big thing to take into consideration, is that a few debuffs make that escape skill useless and you will barely move.

If someone likes GS is purely a matter of taste, not really utility. I used to do the same you described with my GS while i tested it, and found sword/horn much better for the same purpose, and brings you another ranged skill and a must have buff for all kind of situations. What i also found is that sword is amazing when paired with QZ, attacks faster and hits harder than GS, so it’s a double edge weapon…it can melt people in those 4 seconds just like shortbow did before the nerf.

That’s just personal taste as you pointed out Leviatana, just as how i like a spirit build but at the same time is not as effective as any other build (it’s not even effective hehe)

nerva.7940:

if you dont play tpvp, then you cannot comment on prof balance, period. any scrub (no offense) can look good hiding behind a mob in WvW. playing other profs for over 50 hours in spvp will help you realize how weak the ranger is in every respect.

Just because i don’t like sPvP doesn’t mean i haven’t played it, and i can still take down almost every class in 1v1 except thieves, just because with other classes it’s easier to take down players doesn’t mean ranger is the worst, as far as i know easier doesn’t mean better.

No offense, but sPvP is not the perfect balance testing place, it rarely involves 1v1 where as in WvW you will find a lot of 1v1 situations…geez, i hate people that probably only plays sPvP and think they know everything about PvP.
sPvP it’s just a lame battleground where you mostly see a couple proffessions/builds being played the most because that benefits more the team, that’s not really PvP, it’s about team composition and builds, X build beats Y build at holding/capturing points.

WvW has everything sPvP has, better and on a bigger scale, period. If you really like PvP then you would know that holding a capture point until a team member comes to help you can’t really be called PvP.
When the goal of sPvP becomes ONLY to kill the enemy team then we will talk about it being more of a balance PvP test.

nldixon.8514:

The greatsword provides a lot of mobility and defensive tools. It’s actually really good with a trap build. The problem is that most people want to play Rangers as an in your face melee profession, which we are not. The greatsword requires movement, not static fighting.

It’s a different playstyle than a Guardian or Warrior greatsword. Once you figure it out, it’s a pretty good weapon.

I was referring to QZ specifically with the shortbow. I know QZ is awesome. I use it in almost every build.

A lot of movility with GS? sure you will go around your target throwing traps and what else, but you are better of doing the same with other weapons, i still fail to see how a GS ranger will do better with a mediocre weapon that really has no use other than the evade on autoattack which is quite random. Maybe i played it wrong, but i tested it for about 2 weeks and i found GS the second most weak weapon the ranger has the first one beind main hand axe. I still believe sword has more movility despite the fact that it roots you, but the second and third skill are amazing and have really low cooldown.

I don’t agree with everyone that says ranger is the worst class for PvP or that they are useless Most people who say that just play it wrong, or don’t know how to take advantage of Ranger strengths.

Hell, i love my ranger for WvW, i go solo sometimes and kill nearly every class with ease, the only classes that give trouble are mesmers and thieves, and i can tell you this…thieves are surely IMPOSSIBLE to kill with a ranger unless they are just bad, their damage is too high and on top of it they pretty much kill you in stealth if they want…by the time they come out of stealth they already dropped at least 60-80% of your HP pool.

Other than that, i’m pretty happy with my ranger, speccially in WvW, using full berseker gear and longbow you can make some decent damage and sometimes i can turn around 2v1 and 3v1 fights (obviously not thieves involved in these fights).

For sPvP i can’t really tell because i don’t play it that often, i don’t like sPvP.

Rangers do need some tweaking, mainly to get rid of all the useless skills/traits we have while at the same time we have very few possible/working builds, but it’s an interesting class to play and if you like it you will adapt to it.

nldixon.8514:

Greatsword is actually a one of the better weapons for a defensively oriented Ranger.

Also, besides the QZ issue, shortbow is still an awesome weapon.

And what’s a defensive GS ranger supposed to do? The GS damage is beyond bad, and there are far better options for a defensive play that don’t need to rely on a tricky evade on the autoattack and a semi useless block. If i played defensive i would honestly use sword/axe or even dagger…but surely not a GS. I don’t see the purpose of GS on ranger…it just doesn’t bring anything to the table.

QZ is still amazing, not for SB tho, i usually use it on my Longbow or 1h Sword.

For PvE i usually use SB + Sword/Horn full berseker gear.
As for WvW Longbow + Sword/Horn full berseker gear.

I tried condition builds but i didn’t like them, they felt pretty weak and doesn’t fit well other than solo playing because condition’s stacks are quite limited, not to mention that there is no Rabid exotic jewerly which is lame.

Also greatsword is quite useless, a single sword brings you much more damage and survivality, but you need to use it well or it can give you some problems.

I’d also love to play a spirit/support ranger, but playing one right now is pointless, it really doesn’t bring anything to a team besides a character that it’s doing nothing because building into spirits also makes your damage output quite lower.

WvW is not really a place where you will kill pretty much…something before you get to level 80 and gear up, hell…even killing a mob in WvW is tough being low level where as a geared level 80 kills it within seconds.

I didn’t use to like longbow, but since i joined WvW to complete the maps i’ve been using it with full berseker gear and i have to say the weapon needs a few tweaks but it’s decent. But it’s one of these weapons that either you have full damage gear or it will be completely garbage.
It can pop 1-3k+ autoattack crits depending on your target’s armor, and rapid fire + QZ is very deadly from max range…until a thief aproaches to you and insta kill you in two shots (11k+ backstabs).

So far the only class that it’s impossible to kill as ranger if they play any good are thieves, no matter what people say or if you use a more tanky build or Protect Me/LS, if they are half decent you have NO chance, if you ever beat thieves in 1v1 they were not decent players or level 80 geared ones.

Ranger is not really a burst damage class, and it relies on the pet a lot so when your pet dies or cannot reach your target you loose a lot of dps on the way.

The way i see it…there is not a build that doesn’t use the pets like in GW1, so it’s quite an issue in terms of dps because pets hit quite hard. I’d stay with warrior/thief if you want burst damage.

You don’t need any special build to beat an ele as a ranger…and if he used wolf/dog it would have been much worse for you :P