Guild Wars 2

They are very different, pick the one who you think has the playstyle it suits you.

For PvE leveling ranger hands down to be the best at it, in dungeons i can’t tell because i don’t have an engi, try to get an answer from engineer forum aswell.

Ye, i agree with nldixon on the traits part. 15 points into Beastmastery are pretty much a must have for the cooldown reduction on swapping pets, makes it a hell easier for leveling and the 2 seconds quickness coupled with 15 second swaps is godly.

Either way, there is not an useless build for leveling…it’s just a matter of how you want to play and enjoy your ranger, but the pet is very good for leveling so taking advantage of the traits that improve your pet (and you) is a good idea.

To attack you? Yeah, first stop being so mad, then read the posts again, you are clearly making rage posts right now. Whatever, mod should close the thread because unless the OP needs another answer nothing good will come from it.

You know as well as me that these conversations start every single time from the same 2-3 “trolls”, it doesn’t just appear by itself.

Writting on topic two phrases and then four paragraphs of the same whine they write on every single post is not really posting on topic.

I also got some post removed/infracted.

Sco.9615:

Yes, the fact is you did not see my posts. Y post if u have nothing to say on topic? I think you’re confusing trolls with humans

Same reason as why you made your three last posts. As i said, don’t get mad, i didn’t see your posts, but watching one of your last posts i believe i was quite right about the part that some people only post to whine “ranger is so bad, make another class”.

On topic, the OP already got his/her answers in several posts, there is nothing else to say about it.

Have you ever considered they removed these posts because the OP never asked if he should or not make a ranger to begin with?

I didn’t see your posts, but it’s a fact that some people just post to say “reroll to another class, ranger is the worst blahblah” even if it’s not related with the topic. I find that perfectly fine, it’s getting really boring to see the same people whine on every single post in the ranger forum, even if it has nothing to do with the thread.

The main issue is that making a WvW spec that works well against thieves will kitten your WvW advantages overall, or at least that’s the way i see it.

You can take the signet trait and Signet of Stone, Renewall and Lighting Reflexes…that should be more than enough to counter a thief.

I’m on the same boat as you, mainly because i run full bersekers with longbow/sword+horn and the only class that gives me real trouble are thieves, but i don’t want to spec into beating thieves only.

The problem is WD doesn’t hit many targets and doesn’t do good damage (except if you reflect, then yes). Axe is a great offhand, but cooldown on WD is high and it’s also very situational.

I’ve used it sometimes in dungeons for fun tho, for example to reflect AC spider’s poison when plenty of them attack you.

Yes, sPvP build is made there, you can respec for free anytime, in WvW it uses your PvE build/gear, everything you have in PvE applies to WvW.

So, sPvP can be played anytime with any class since you can just create another one in a minute and be ready for it, on WvW you will use your real PvE char.

Yes, in some cases they think the class is bad because they believe being upgraded to level 80 is the same as being a true level 80 in WvW.

I’ve also suffered the same, went to WvW with a fresh made char and tried to kill a mob…that’s what i call PvP :P

I have to say that never happened to me, and i run dungeons almost everyday with randoms.

That was someone who played a ranger and rerolled to another class so he was mad.
On a serious note, maybe he already had a ranger or two and didn’t want the group full of rangers.

As some people said, in sPvP you are not kittened, everyone is the same. In WvW however, being level 1 (80) or a true 80 the difference is huge, it’s like if you were naked…doing two-three times less damage and taking much more damage aswell. You can still have some fun joining the zergs but you are no match against a true level 80 no matter what class you play.

To play in sPvP you don’t need to be above level 1, in fact a good majority of people that plays sPvP has low level chars.

Also he/she didn’t ask if he/she should or not play ranger, just ignore the whiners that only post to say “roll another class, ranger is so weak!”, if you read the forums a bit you probably know who are these anyway

I’d just like the axe to be melee? We already have 2 ranged weapons, we don’t need another one. I like axe offhand, but i wish whirlwing also reflected melee attacks or allowed you to move while using it >.<

That’s not Karma stuff, that’s gems stuff. And i may be wrong, but if you have all those things you don’t need then you most likely got them for free through the dungeon or by opening BLC which was your own choice…so what’s the refund about?

I don’t think they will ever implement something like that, if someone buys gems stuff it’s because they wanted it. There is nothing to fix, if you got “free” stuff then be glad you did.

Both, they serve different purposes.

His post it’s not far from being accurate, you however only post to say how bad the ranger is.

Playing thief is the same, it’s an easy class and everyone can kill newbs with him, but only very good thieves make some people complain…does it make them OP? Maybe, or maybe not.

A few days ago I was watching a guardian stream rank 40+ playing paid tournaments and it really made my day, he was complaining about a ranger being so strong he got killed hard while he didn’t do kitten, it was funny to watch because that ranger was quite tanky and it’s damage output was still pretty decent.

Same goes to the “OP” thieves, i was watching another rank 40+ paid tournament stream where he was continuously pretty much getting 1 shotted by a warrior, everytime he saw the warrior he was like "oh god, not you again! How the hell can he kill me!!!! QQ!.

Conclusion, players are what makes the most difference, not classes. Sure ranger needs some love, but classes are somewhat “balanced”, there is not a build that beats everyone easily, period. It’s hard to say if a class is better or worse because as long as there is someone who does well with it then it means it’s not that bad.

Levetty, where are the tests to prove that? So far i’ve seen nothing but whines from less experienced rangers.

Who says all classes have to kill by pressing 2 keys? That’s kitten and it’s not rangers only who can’t do that. This is what’s wrong with ranger lowbies/newbies, they think they SHOULD insta kill and make big numbers killing people before they get to touch you.

What’s normal output damage? Burst damage is now called “normal output damage”…there is another thing called sustained damage.

If you think ranger gets more loot than any other class you should see what a guardian staff autoattack can do :P

Talve, most of the QQ comes from low ranks or low level rangers who didn’t try to learn the class but instead think ranger should be the typical archer who two shots someone. These probably go PvP, get insta killed by a thief or warrior and then whine about ranger not being able to kill them in two shots ^^

The truth is ranger is harder to play than many classes, it’s not everything about killing by pressing two keys. You notice this when most of the QQers say ranger was good when they could use shortbow + QZ but after the nerf they say it’s unplayable…they nerfed the over-used “OP” combo and now they can’t figure out what to do because rangers really don’t share much their builds or playstyle.

Play the class, it’s fine. I’ve played over 400 hours on my Ranger and everytime i play other class it’s just “meh, i like ranger”.

Also don’t listen to anyone who says the class is bad in PvP, first…PvP is not just sPvP and there are rangers on paid tournaments rank 40+ so that means the class is actually decent enough to compete with other classes….it’s just that ranger is not a class where you smash your keyboard to win, it’s not like other classes that pretty much press two buttoms and kill something.

And where does it say ranger is or has to be a burst class? Ranger DPS is fine and certainly not lower than other classes, i believe you are mixing up DPS and BURST terms.

You can also dodge shortbow unless you are in close range, but if they focus on dodging arrows they won’t really get to you unless they attack from range.

Shortbow is not optimal for WvW, Longbow can also burst down someone without the need of being at 1,000+ units.

Creature, that’s because MF does nothing on chests imo…i never noticed a difference on having 0 or 160+ MF on anything else other than looting corpses.

Over 40 runs:

2 random exotics
5 BL savage kit
7 Random boosters
2 BL key
3 Pickaxe/Axe
15 Fine transmutation stones and a few express bank/merchant thingy.

Longbow benefits a lot from full berseker glass cannon builds, I’m not gonna say shortbow is better or worse, but Longbow is a must have for WvW…it’s a place where the range is your main tool and you pretty much have full control over the rest thanks to the range you have when traited. Only issue are thieves that may sneak on your back…but you can’t have everything :O

On the next event they make they better get things sorted out better.

This could have been much better done if for example after completing the dungeon or clock tower you could choose one of the three exotics (per account) and make it soulbound, no drops or any kind of bullkitten…or make these drops soulbound on pick up directly and leave the tradeable versions for the crafted ones.

That way everyone would be happy, and those who missed the event (plenty of people, new and future players) would still craft/want these “rare” skins.

The way they did it…they just implemented another bad feature…they “fixed” the exploit from the chests and afterwards they implement a similar chest on a 10 minutes dungeon? It doesn’t make sense.

So yeah, next time make these drops soulbound and avoid this non sense for future events. (I’m still confident Anet didn’t mean to make these items obtained from chests, but probably a bug happened or they just wanted to chill the angry customers who bought loads of BLC).

And don’t get me wrong, i love longbow and use it a lot, it’s just not a weapon you will use all the time unlike shortbow that can be used anytime with no penalty…honestly i rarely use shortbow anymore (full berseker gear).

Honestly i don’t expect any patch until halloween event is over.

Longbow attack speed is fine, the feeling about it being too slow it’s because shortbow simply shoots too fast.

However, it’s not the most optimal weapon damage wise for PvE as you won’t always be in max range to take advantage of it, it’s a situational weapon and a very good one.

Don’t read QQ or “play another class” comments.
If you currently like ranger, just enjoy it and don’t listen to anyone, people whine too much and most of the ones who say ranger is bad will just tell you “I heard it’s bad” or “people says it’s bad”. Most of them haven’t made a self test or give you a good arguement of why they are bad.

Also, unlike other classes, ranger is not going to be nerfed…so it’s pretty safe to play a ranger not having to worry about why you can’t two shot someone anymore

If you enjoy sPvP then what’s the deal with making a class or not…you can join sPvP being level 1 so if you don’t like it just create another class and you are ready to join sPvP within a few minutes again.

Well, it’s true that the price of these items will eventually reach their cost of crafting, but it will take a quite a while…but no doubt they will be more expensive than their current price is. Hell, within a few years maybe they are sort of “unique” and be worth much more than their crafting cost because probably there aren’t halloween mats anymore unless they use the same on the next halloweens.

Their value will obviously be high with the time even if they are the most ugly skins because people just want the “rare” not the beautiful and over used one.
I still think they should have made looted halloween exotics account bound on pick up.

Geez 8+ hours for clock tower is insane…i’m glad it took me 20 minutes :O

What they need to make for future events is…make the skins account/soulbound except the ones you actually craft and the BLC ones.

Other than that, the event was pretty decent.

nosleepdemon- Don’t you think they should say these items will be earned through other ways other than crafting during the event? It was quite stupid not saying anything and making people waste hundreds of gold.

I don’t think having these items dropped was intented at all at first, but it ended with them dropping probably due to all the complains from BLC and all that. It also shows poor event management not making these drops soulbound, it just encourages farming the chests over and over.
It stopped being a matter of having a skin by the time these items dropped from lab chests…at that time it became a matter of making gold and buying/reselling them.

I think they made an huge mistake not saying everything they were going to add and what you could get from doing events. It’s kitten somehow because some people actually spent hundreds crafting one of these rare skins to now find them for 10g+.

Imo, since they screwed it with the exploit from lab chests they went one step ahead and made it even worse giving a new chest. They should have added these drops from the beggining instead of making people craft them first to find the big surprise days later.

I also believe dropped items should be only account/soulbound where as crafted ones should be tradeable. Overall…mediocre event filled with exploits and crap.

It will rise, the same thing was going on when the chests from lab didn’t have 1 day reuse and these items increased their price by 3x when they fixed it.

The same thing will happen once the dungeon is gone…but obviously for it to increase a lot there has to be demand for these items. Also, you can bet these items will be unique with the years because people will no longer be able to get them…even if they look ugly compared to new items they will still want them.
People doesn’t really want the shiny good looking item…they mostly want something that not everyone has.

MF doesn’t really help much on chests imo, i never noticed the difference on MF opening chests so far :O

You should send Anet a ticket asking them to mail you a couple of items, and also a few thousand gems because you should have got rich by doing the dungeon.

Stop crying for loot, it’s just luck. I’ve got mostly greens and also did plenty of runs. You are not guaranteed to get anything from it…it’s RNG. If everyone and their mom got something worth 10g+ every few runs then they wouldn’t cost 10g+…don’t you think?

I’m always unlucky with drops so i’m not expecting anything, mostly i got greens and a couple of black lion kits which is nice (10+ runs).

If you want these stats then i’d say CoF is the “easiest” to obtain, you can get like 120 tokens in 40 minutes doing path 1 and 2.

And no, dungeon sets are just these, other than that if you want these stats you would have to craft them or buy them with gold (jewerly first is more important since you can’t get it anywhere).

Imo, save gold for jewerly, and take a look at Lion’s Arch vendors and find the gear you want from dungeons stat/skin wise and then do these dungeons to get a set/weapon.

Karma is mainly for skins, the stats on the karma gear currently are not very ranger oriented…only one that it’s worth to take is power/vit/dur but you have same stats from Ascalon Catacombs and it’s very easy to get (cheapest than other dungeon sets and easy/fast dungeon)

You won’t have any problem soloing in Orr with any kind of build, be it glass cannon or not even if you use the worst weapon.

Only problem might be certain Veterans and only if they are packed with other mobs…but that goes pretty much for all classes.

I’m trying to say it’s waste both ways, buying weapon or armor for karma are both equally a “waste”. Having an exotic with wrong stats for your build/class is not going to make it better than using a green with proper stats.

This comes from someone who has both karma set and weapon, BOTH are equally a “waste”…saying that buying a weapon is a waste but buying armor is not simply makes no sense, it’s exotic armor…but not all exotics are good. A green set with stats more adapted to your build will be better than random gear for the sake of it being exotic.

Even tho i have the karma set, i’ve never used it because its stats are not good for the builds i use.

Do you even believe T1 skins are the same as T3 ones? Poor you…if that was the case i wouldn’t have bought one of these 63k skins. Why does people still think you can get T3 skins buying a T1 skin? I would like to know who made people believe that crap.

You also forget that karma sets have quite a “special” stats, they are not very optimal outside of the skin except the power/vit/dur set and you can’t get a whole set with the same stats from the same karma vendor which makes the runes on it completely useless (not that they are any good for rangers anyway). You can’t even get the whole power/vit/dur set because no vendor sells legs with those stats, however Ascalon Catacombs offer you that same set and it’s the cheapest one you can find tokens wise.

So in the end…if you buy something with karma it will be mainly for the skin.

The problem wasn’t really the exotics dropping from a chest, the problem was halloween exotics and precursors dropping from them.
I can’t believe people still can get this through their skull, how can it be fair that accross all servers trade broker is filled with halloween exotics that were supposed to come only from crafting at the cost of 200g or so. The mad moon was selling for 15g, arachnophobia 35g and The crossing about the same, and think about how many precursors are also sitting on people’s inventory/banks because they don’t wanna spend 30g+ putting it on trade broker.

I don’t know if speed traits/buffs affect, but i did it several times on all my chars with no speed buff…clock tower it’s fine. All you need is to memorize a bit the path (mainly the first part) and try to get ahead of the zerg so you can actually see better. It didn’t take me more than 20 minutes to get it done and after that it’s pretty much easy to get it done anytime…the trick is just to get ahead of everyone once it starts…a few seconds later you will be nearly alone

The place already is farmer’s dream, there is no reason to implement a merchant there.

I believe Anet made more money making the skins be gained from chests than they would ever make by selling them directly.
How many people bought just 1 key? A good amount probably started with one and ended buying over 50-100 until a skin showed up, gambling chests is somewhat addictive.

You have to take into consideration that if skins were bought directly for…let’s say 5-10$ that would be cheap to obtain through the game and a good amount of people would simply buy it with gold.

Kyias, so you say spending 67k on a weapon is bad but spending 42k on a piece of armor is not? That makes no sense considering getting a piece from many dungeons takes less than 2 hours and you won’t gain 42k in two hours anymore.

Conclusion, spend karma on whatever you like.