I still think Risens’ mind wasn’t corrupted, they are undead overall, part of Zhaitan’s will/power took them over and used their memory/skills.
- It can only be “clearly seen” if you have improper graphics settings.
- Drakkar Lake was a forbidden place. The norn avoided the area for superstitious reasons that turned out to hold some merit of truth. So it’s highly likely that they didn’t know Drakkar was underneath there.
- Digging it out may have unleashed it – it was imprisoned, but sentient enough to corrupt Svanir, and as such, it was very much alive and awake.
- Jora didn’t seem to know that Drakkar was there during GW1, further hinting to point #2. Knowledge of Drakkar appears to only have surfaced after it did. If Jora (and the norn) did know, then they didn’t link it to Svanir’s corruption into the Nornbear.
@Aaron: We don’t really know if a dragon’s corpse corrupts, but given that hibernating dragons (Elder or champion) don’t, then it’s highly likely that their corpse wouldn’t either, though their magic still seems to hold a specific “flavor” to it (Glint’s aspects).
I mean it gathered worshipers for around 90 years before Jormag awoke, shouldn’t the norn try to investigate it during this period?
Kill it if it awoke, if Jormag was not awaken, Drakkar shouldn’t be too hard to kill. Unlike the Great Destroyer, it hadn’t even gathered Icebrood army yet.
It can clearly be seen under the ice and caused Svanir to turn into the Nornbear, shouldn’t they try to dig it out and kill it before it gathered more worshipers?
But how are we going to use it against a big big dragon?
I don’t think she was corrupted by Mordremoth, it’s more like only her knew what to do with the egg.
I just don’t get how could that egg help defeat Mordremoth, Glint herself got easily smashed by Kralkatorrik.
As for the dragons, it’s a bit like LotR, since Sauron takes the form of a giant flaming Eye, is more like a symbol rather than a character, they needed to expand Saruman’s role to give us a real villain character. That’s what we needed from the Elder Dragon war. Too bad Scarlet is dead.
I think Abaddon being behind of Orr’s destruction makes a lot of sense, the Searing was also fine if that was part of the plan as well. The Jade Wind, not that much.
Abaddon’s concept was cool, but it felt a little bit disconnected since Jeff only became the main story handler in Nightfall.
Usually in a game or a movie, it’s not just about how good the story is, but the way you tell it also matters a lot.
The Elder Dragons were cool, but they just feel more like than “giant world terror” than actual character. Many of their minions suffer the same problem. Jormag probably had the most “characteristic” but that’s just one dragon. Also it raises a question about how to “nicely” defeat the dragons in the game. The Zhaitan fight in Arah was a major disappointment. Sure he might get greatly weakened after so many events but it’s still too weak. I’m not saying the fight should be very hard, just need to let us feel the threat and power of the dragon.
In GW1, even Abaadon let me feel more like a character than Zhaitan and Mordremoth, he had his reason and anger to release upon mortals and the other gods.
Prophecies’ plot is awesome, Factions, Nightfall and EotN’s plot are not that cool.
GW1’s problem is that it’s too focused on humans. We don’t see many valuable non-human characters until EotN.
As for GW2, I think the main plot was ok, but the characterization is quite horrible. In the Personal Story, most of the characters are quite bland except the mentor. The villains are also weak, Zhaitan wasn’t like a character, but just a giant evil menace. Most of his Risens weren’t well developed or didn’t get enough time to expand the potential(1 mission then died) either, even if we compare them to the Risen in Seas of Sorrows, the GW2 Risen’s characterization is weak. In the Living Story, the NPCs seems to get better development but the villains are getting worse. Other than Scarlet, Modremoth and its minions don’t have any characterization at all, just pure nature threats, this is even weaker than Zhaitan.
A common problem of both games’ stories is that our character, the PC don’t get much development, we don’t make much choices to build our characters, we mostly just follow whatever the NPC told us to do, this is also getting worse in Living Story.
Grenth is also tied to Destruction. So is Balthazar.
I would argue such a lining to be coincidental like Zhaitan and Grenth both being tied to Shadow/Darkness and Death.
Menzies is closer to have the domain of “shadow” since many of his minions were shadow monsters.
Could the DSD’s another sphere be “secret” since we know little about it, even the records had lost its name?
Like I suspected, looks like DSD rose before Jormag.
If Primordus=Fire+Destruction, could it be related with Balthazar(Fire) and Menzies(Destruction)?
If we could hunt down the remaining Risen champions, the Risen forces would further collapse, the Risen itself would not cause big trouble in short time, but we don’t know what disaster might Zhaitan’s energy cause if nobody picks it up.
Technically, “we” could think about whatever we want. Our characters’ priority is Mordy. :P
And yeah, I don’t disagree that overall the risen threat has reduced – at least for now. The thought is more of “will it do nothing but dwindle over time, or is there a chance that it can surge up as a threat once more in the future via Zhaitan being replaced?”
So I think Anet shouldn’t focus a bit more on the current threat than giving too much info about the whole world’s process, at least not before we have some process on Mordremoth. The vision we got from the Pale Tree was still not explained as well.
It depends on where did Zhaitan’s power go.
We could argue that some Risen might become stronger by draining Zhaitan’s power, but no doubt that overall, Risen, as a whole, their threat has been significantly reduced. Otherwise the pact would still have to mainly focus on them rather than Mordremoth.
As for a champion to become another Dragon, it’s not something we should think about first, the first priority is to stop Mordremoth. We need to know how would the egg help defeat the dragons.
It has been gathering power in the depths.
It is faster, stronger, deadlier.
It has returned to devour and destroy.
It is called Tequatl the Sunless… and it has evolved.
So Teq mostly went into the depth to drain some power that returned into the core of Tyria after Zhaitan’s death. This could also explain the time gap.
Even Teq is nothing compare to Zhaitan. No matter the size, the ability to corrupt and create champions or its influence. Not to say it was killed already.
That’s not true. Like I said, only Tequatl was thus far acknowledged in story, but in January 2013, the temple events were updated, making them more difficult, and the risen mob density in Orr was altered, including the size of Orrian risen being enlarged (making them more norn-sized, rather than the original human sized).
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/January_2013#World_Polish_%E2%80%93_Orr
- The Risen creatures all across Orr have had their population density adjusted.
- Various Risen creatures have had their animations and size updated.
- The difficulty of events to claim and defend the Orrian temples and the Gates to Arah will now scale to accommodate a larger number of players.
In other updates, risen were made more hunched over, and in a different one various risen champs (Risen Wraith, Abomination, Knight, Drake, and others) were given new skills (such as the wraith’s AoE continuous life stealing skill that needs to be interrupted to end it).
It’s hard to determine how much of these are actual changes to the lore in respect to the living story, but they all began with the living story. So it can go either way.
We have a few cases where they look ‘weaker’ (hunched over animation, fewer CC skills in Orr), but even more cases where they’ve become ‘tougher’. The question is: mechanic alone, or lore as well like Tequatl?
They can easily make such lore if they so desire.
I don’t think it’s really showing the lore, mostly just game mech. They no longer have a powerful dragon to create new champions and command all the Risen to perform strikes outside of Orr, the source was cleansed. The Risen Navy weren’t that big of a threat anymore(Do they even exist after that?).
You speak as if absolutely certain.
Yet there is no concrete proof that your interpretation is correct.
It’s more likely.
Wasn’t my analogy, but Jeff Grubb’s.
Source?
Please point to me your proof that the Great Destroyer wasn’t giving Primordus magic. I know I haven’t linked the interview, but I’m not pulling it out of my kitten , regardless of what you may or may not think.
This is what you’ve been doing constantly. You state your interpretation, and claim them to be undeniable fact, but you can’t prove them. You don’t even try.
As to the Great Destroyer not destroying the Central Transfer Chamber – that’s because the CTC was using magic Primordus had already leaked out. It wasn’t siphoning from it, it was siphoning from the air around it.
Chances are, the Great Destroyer could easily have been siphoning the magic of the CTC, rather than outright destroying it, while utilizing its system to its advantage.
I don’t need to prove something “didn’t” do it, you need to prove if you say it “did”, that’s basic logic.
Actually I’m not saying it’s hard fact but a possibility, you are trying to establish “fact” even though it’s just some speculation sometimes.
So let’s drop it, I don’t think it’s meaningful for either of us to continue wasting time on it. Overall it’s just game lore, it’s not worthy to get angry on someone because of it.
@saventis: we actually haven’t really seen any results of Zhaitan’s magic going into the world. The only real result we’ve seen is the risen getting more powerful – at least Tequatl has been acknowledged as becoming more powerful in story, though mechanically all Orrian risen have grown in size and become stronger in mechanics.
It’s likely that Zhaitan’s magic is being asborbed by his minions, at least in part, rather than fully going into the world.
Similarly, it means that the Elder Dragons can consume more before they run out of food.
Only teq, overall, the Risen threat had become much weaker after Zhaitan’s death.
And yet even with all that research hundreds if not thousands died during the attack on Zhaitan. Clearly we do need to know more in order to avoid such massive losses against the rest of the Dragons, otherwise there will be no one left after we are done with them.
Mord was not like Zhaitan, it had just awoke, so it didn’t have that much time to spread its corruption yet. But it had the ability to strike from underground, which we could not defend, so we should act fast before it could grow too strong.
Sure some research could be awesome, but we already spent quite a lot of quests on it, I think it should be enough, and the current info we got was all about the whole structure of magic, not really useful against Mord itself.
I don’t think the dragons were “bad” because of their “personality”, but because of the power behind them, they are like natural’s forces, if we replace them with another, that one might become the same over time.
I do wonder if we will use the egg itself to actually fight the Dragons or if it simply is the key to unlock more information about how the Dragons and their corruption works, which could very well turn the tide against them.
I think we already spent too much time on research already and should take some serious action now.
Or all of them were near the dragon, and they were forced into a flee or die scenario.
The orbs showed the otherwise.
Exactly what I was saying. You just excluding that it rose early.
It’s very different from alarm clock.
Unfortunately, it is a very old interview and was before folks like myself bothered having an archive of interviews, so I haven’t been able to find it.
But it isn’t nonsense.
The reason the Great Destroyer was an alarm clock was because it was feeding Primordus magic. In the same sense, Scarlet Briar, Drakkar, and Svanir were alarm clocks. We killed the Great Destroyer, preventing Primordus from gaining energy and rising early; we killed Svanir, but not Drakkar, slowing Jormag’s rise but not as much as we could have; we failed to kill Scarlet before she woke Mordremoth, allowing him to rise early.
The Great Destroyer didn’t feed its master with magic like Drakkar or Scarlet did. It was simply trying to command the destroyers to occupy the underground. Actually, the central transfer chamber was keep using Primordus’ energy to power the gate(that could be a lot of energy running out). But the Great Destroyer didn’t destroy the chamber when the destroyer overrun the chamber, but was actually using the gate to attack the Norns.
And you know how long it was between Svanir’s death and Jormag’s rise? About 100 years.
Do you know how long it was between Jormag’s rise and GW2? About 150 years.
And how long were norn being seduced with promises of power? 150 years.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
Not very reliable, it would seem. Unless you’re misquoting.
It doesn’t matter, Jormag spent so much effort to drain from these people, so it had to make some significant amount of time.
But how do we use a little egg to fight the dragons? Glint herself got squashed by Kralkatorrik.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eXMY3_G3njI
So the egg indeed is going to serve as a key to defeat Mordremoth.
Ignoring the fact that you linked Earth’s geography, you’d be right:
it would make little sense (though not no sense) if the krait lived that far away.
But you see, they don’t live in all the deep trenches.
They live in THE deepest trenches.
Difference.
You say that the DSD woke elsewhere, but you have no proof. You’re spouting unsupported conjectures.
What fact? They could live in a few of the trenches but not all of them, and the ones near the dragon could have been killed.
Forcefully. At a time it was not going to awake if not for Scarlet Briar giving Mordremoth one of the biggest power surge on Tyria.
It would be like giving a sleeping person a shock treatment to startle them awake three hours before their alarm went off.
No, it gave the dragon magic so it could rise. Same with Primordus lost its power.
I am not denying anything.
In an interview after The Movement of the World’s release to the public, the Great Destroyer was explained to have been acting as an alarm clock for Primordus, to wake him early, and to prepare the way for Primordus’ coming by wiping out all life on the surface.
What I said was not contradicted by that article. We’re, in fact, saying the same thing:
Killing the Great Destroyer pushed back the awakening of Primordus that the Great Destroyer would have caused.
But the interview explained further: the Great Destroyer was trying to wake Primordus up early. Thus by killing him, rather than “putting Primordus back to sleep when he should have woke up” it was more that “we hit the snooze button on the alarm clock (Great Destroyer) before Primordus would wake up to the alarm clock, leaving him to wake up on his own, naturally.”
I deny nothing.
Where does this nonsense "interview " come from?
Using the alarm clock is a bad example. The dragons do not truly “awake” unless it had enough power. We can see the whole process of Jormag’s awakening. Same with Mord, it woke because a lot of magic was sent to it. Primordus was pushed back simply because it didn’t gain, but lost power due to the death of its champion.
The timer which was a sooner-than-should be timer. Just like Mordremoth.
And where do you get 90 years from, exactly? Because nothing says that the Sons of Svanir came into existence shortly after Svanir’s death. It likely took quite some time for that to happen. And the Sons of Svanir has been stated to be relatively small until recently. How small would it have been when formed, and how much magic could they really take from the Sons of Svanir before they grew?
“For the next hundred fifty years, the voice seduced more norn, and they joined the cult, becoming the Sons of Svanir. They believed they were drawing upon the ancient voice, but in fact it was drawing upon them, gaining the power to rise.”
It lasted for a long while for sure, since the dragons don’t care about just a few years and Jormag continue to spend some effort to gather these Norn, it could have given him a big amount, 5-10 years early at least.
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Since Jormag was draining on many Norn worshipers for around 90 years and spent a lot on the effort, it could have let it woke earlier for many years. But that does not matter really. With Primordus’ original timer being set at 1078, there was at least a 90 years gap(maybe 100 years if Jormag hadn’t drained power from others), which breaks the “50 years” cycle unless we put a dragon between them.
You quoted it yourself, and it said “deepest trenches”. Meaning there is no trench deeper than where they lived.
Nothing says that the Unending Ocean’s deepest trenches are spread far apart – and nothing says that, even if they were, the krait didn’t live that widespread.
But there is only one ‘deepest’.
Just as there is only one ‘widest plain’ and only one ‘tallest mountain’. There is only one ‘deepest trench’.
Deepest trenches of the Unending Ocean – and where in the Unending Ocean, perhaps where they can be found by human ships: between Tyria and Cantha (the Clashing Seas)?
Deepest. Same general location.
No, it means a few trenches like I linked. Like I listed, they were very far way from each other. It makes no sense if the Krait lived that far away from each other, so obviously they lived in a few of the trenches but not all of these trenches and DSD woke in a different place. Also, these trenches might not be the deepest place. Even if a few of the tribes do live near, DSD could have simply annihilated the ones near it.
Mordremoth was not yet to awaken, as pointed out by dsslive.
It did awake.
Similarly, Primordus was not yet to awaken in 1078 AE – keep in mind that the Great Destroyer was an alarm clock. The Great Destroyer’s death left it to wake when it was meant to.
Are you denying the fact? REALLY?
The Movement of the World
Primordus was the first of the ancient dragons to awaken, calling his servants from their slumber. With his breath, he twisted earth and stone, shaping creatures and giving them life. Although the death of the Great Destroyer, his most powerful general, set back the dragon’s awakening by two generations, Primordus once again rose to create ever more minions far beneath the ground. To this day, he continues to spread his power throughout the deep caverns beneath Tyria.
The so called “Natural 50 years agenda” breaks immediately with this fact.
Seriously, I don’t think you don’t know this since you even checked this article when writing your thread, but simply because you want to ignore it to support you point.
Did Abaddon know about the dragons’ awakening depend on magic, when he gave magic to the humans?
Might i ask for a source that suggest that Jormag’s awakening was affiliated by his worshippers?
from EoD
“For the next hundred fifty years, the voice seduced more norn, and they joined the cult, becoming the Sons of Svanir. They believed they were drawing upon the ancient voice, but in fact it was drawing upon them, gaining the power to rise.”
Interestingly, if we put DSD’s awakening beside these two’s original awakening time, then it fills the gap of “each 50 years”.
Wrong, Mordemoth woke only 7 years after Kralkatorrik. Also, Primordus originally was going to wake in 1078, around 90 years before Jormag’s rise.
You seem to have missed the entirety of season 1 so let me put it short, Scarlet FORCED Mordremoths awakening. You’re welcome
I know that, if you count this in, then our forces pushed back Primordus’s awakening by 42 years. Jormag’s rise was also accelerated by its worshipers. If we put mortal’s influence away, Primordus and Jormag’s rise would have a huge gap for at least 100 years or more.
So they already moved to their surface at that time.
False. It says the deepest trentches. Aka the deepest trentches in the ocean. So unless the DSD awoke in an abyssal plain that would be deeper than the trenches, it would be at those deepest trenches.
It said a few very deep trenches. It’s not a single place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_trench#Deepest_oceanic_trenches
They were far away from each other and only one is the deepest. Obviously the Kraits lived in a few trenches of the Ocean that were not very far away.
Also where is the source of the location of DSD’s awakening?
Jormag didn’t awake in Kryta. Norn were forced out in ~4 years after Jormag’s awakening. Deepest trenches is where both were.
And DSD might not awake in the same place with the Krait, the Ocean is a even bigger place than the whole Tyria.
Furthermore, it should be noted that Jeff Grubb confirmed that the Elder Dragons awoke approximately every 50 years. Per the aforelinked post by Angel McCoy, the ~50 years has a wiggle room of +/- up to 15 years. So between 35 and 65 years can pass between each awakening. Between Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik is 101 years. Between Primordus and Jormag is 45 years.
Wrong, Mordemoth woke only 7 years after Kralkatorrik. Also, Primordus originally was going to wake in 1078, around 90 years before Jormag’s rise.
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The krait having been to the surface before is irrelevant.
There cannot bot two deepest parts if the ocean. “deepest” means the singular most deep. Both are said to have been at the deepest parts of the ocean.
An exodus only needs to occur once, so what purpose does that comment on karka have? Another irrelevant fact. Norn only fled Jormag for a little while, does that mean Jormag was awake for only a little while?
So it showed a few of them already came to the surface long ago.
“and the invasion of the krait, who formerly lived in the deepest trenches of the Unending Ocean, into quaggan lands 50 years ago coincide with the approximate awakening of this dragon.”
It’s not saying a single deepest place, but a few very deep trenches, it doesn’t mean DSD and the krait lived in the same place.
It showed the DSD didn’t affect all the creatures right after its awakening since the Ocean is very huge. It only affected them after it invaded their territory. So the time of the krait’s invasion might not accurately match its awakening time. Just like Jormag’s awakening didn’t affect Krytan people for a long while.
As far as I know, Margonites ruled the Crystal Sea.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unending_Ocean
Over a thousand years ago, the Margonites are said to have ruled the Unending Ocean until they lost their humanity.
There were also a few similarities between Abaddon and DSD. Both has the domain of water. The Unending Ocean was once ruled by the Margonite. Both of them were the most mysterious of the six for different reason. Abaddon also was the god of secret.
Really? Because there is more than one interpretation of that no-context vision. So clearly, it isn’t clear in what it means.
You’re trying to shove your speculation as fact.
It could be order of strength, awakening, age, or a dozen other things.
Aside from the vision, all things point to the Deep Sea Dragon being active only 50 years prior to Zhaitan’s fall. Not 150+ years. Both the Krait and the DSD are stated to have lived in the deepest part of the ocean – meaning the Krait lived on top of the DSD, so when they were pushed out – ~50 years ago – that would be the earliest activity of the DSD.
There were Krait, a bunch of them in GW1. So it’s not like they have never been in the surface. The Ocean is very huge so the dragon might not have come to their territory until 50 years ago, they might also want to live in the upper floor of the ocean until Zhaitan’s navy occupied the sea. The karka came to the surface only for a while, does it mean the Deep Sea Dragon only woke for a little while? No. Obviously the Deep Sea Dragon had awoke long ago but only invaded their territory recently.
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It clearly was showing the order of the dragons’ awakening.
The Deep Sea Dragon awoke before Jormag, it might be waiting for something to happen. Maybe it spent some efforts to make itself a secret, including destroy/hide the knowledge about itself.
And how does she know? A sylvari, once awoken, does not see the dream. She saw the eye stare at her, and was reasonably terrified, and came to a wrong conclusion. Do you think she did scholarly research on the eye to deduct that it had stared into the dream? I don’t think so. And do you expect her to go “Oh, by the way, that stuff I said when I was raving and scared out of my mind? I didn’t really know what I was saying, soz!”? I don’t.
There were other major battles going on at the same time in Orr, looking after it’s own logistics probably wasn’t Zhaitan’s highest personal priority. In fact, it had Vigil tanks to keep it’s eyes on. A few dead risen were just drops in an ocean of warfare. And Zhaitan did use that knowledge against the Commander, in the very fight we are talking about. In the manner of the Sovereign Eye taunting the Commander. This was one battle where 1: Zhaitan was sure the Commander would be present, and 2: a minion capable of utilizing that knowledge was present.
Because it indeed twisted her mind? Sure because there was nothing to counter her words.
A few? The lighthouse was used to direct the Risen navy, without it they would simply lose the direction. Not to say the Pact was using the ships to help the troops land and destroy the catapults, which is a big, big part of the war. Compare to that, some relationship between the commander and a dead mentor meant little, especially the Risen only used it to taunt us.
One specific minion is not “all his minions”. And amuse me, give me a credible source for your claim that “the Eye was able to see through Sylvari”. If you claim something like that, you need to back it up.
In the noise of a large scale war with none of his champions present, picking out the loss of the lighthouse would have been like finding a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. However, every soldier of the Pact knows about the Commander, and a great many Pact soldiers died in Orr. Zhaitan was very much aware of the Commander, so why would it be strange for it to dig information specific to the Commander to use against him or her at one of the most important battles of the war?
And as has been said before, you can tell the Sovereign Eye is lying when it claims Zhaitan has corrupted a sylvari if you fight it with a priory character.
Because she said it, and never denied it after she recovered.
No, the lighthouse directed where its navy go, which is why it was heavily guarded, I don’t think it’s a small needle, but a very important piece since Zhaitan greatly rely on its navy and was trying to stop us from landing. But Zhaitan never used our mentor’s loss against our character, nor did its minions mentioned it before this last encounter ever. It’s also just a taunt.
Yet you use things that have no support other than “maybe” and state them as real facts, atleast i know that there are other possibilities.
Captain Whiting isn’t zhaitan, you’re confusing things again. Zhaitan knows everything of the person he corrupts knows, that’s a whle lot of information to go through. The eye would know this because it was told by Zhaitan, the Eye isn’t miles away but at the source of Orr and thats a lon time after our mentor died, so plenty of time for him to pay a visit to Zhaitan.
So the Eye was Zhaitan? In the novel, when Whiting was staring at Cobiah, he felt the Dragon’s stare as well, when the captain died, Zhaitan roared as well. To its champions, distance doesn’t matter.
Little while? so directly after our mentor died we stormed orr? oh well guess i thought all the parts inetween happened too and weren’t jsut a dream. There was plenty of time for Zhaitan to inform his main champions.
Actually, no Risen mentioned it or used it against us even after we became a big target of it(it tried to frame us) other than the Eye.
No he can’t, once again you mistake the fact that “zhaitan knows all that his corrupted knows” with " his corrupted know all that zhaitan know" which is completely false. The ship happend in a way shorter time than the time we took to actually get to orr after our mentor died. You remeber all that stuff that happened inbetween? ye that did actually happen.
So Zhaitan knew but he chose not to inform its troop? The ship happened in at least quite a few hours and Zhaitan could not inform its troop when its champions are everywhere?
Give me a link or a source for your statement that says that we already know no all princes were mesmers (not that i ever stated such) Other’ nation’s royal lines proof nothing and suggest even less.
No once again you are wrongThis is such a useless excercise, as long as you state things that are unknown/known to be false as facts there is no point in continuing this
Check on the princes, they don’t all use mesmer ability. So don’t use Queen Jennah.
First of all, I’ll have no part in this argument if you keep spouting fallacies and deny basic logic. Take a deep breath, read your post and think if it makes any sense at all before you post.
Moving on.
“Avatar of the Tree: Those who have been corrupted reveal everything to Zhaitan. Nothing is secret, least of all those places where his enemies hide.”
You are placing the words of a liar and an insane sylvari above that of the Pale Tree.
As for why the lighthouse plan worked – Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient. It couldn’t exactly take note every time a risen died somewhere. However, finding specific information is a different story. Compare it to keeping track of all the news feeds on internet as opposed to doing a google search on a specific topic.
The Tree said Zhaitan, not all his minions. Did she say that Zhaitan could not see through mind? Actually the Eye was able to see through Sylvari , who could not be turned into Risen.
Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient, so it ignored the lighthouse being taken, ships misdirected and let us attack the shore but took a look at our relationship with the mentor but NEVER used it against us, then suddenly remembered it when we entered the source and just let the Eye taunt us?
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Actualy you do have to prove a “no” without proof you cannot state things as facts the way you do. Link to where we are told the class of the royal family of orr?
I also never said that they were all mesmers, and for that matter, what proof do we have that every eye has the ability to use telepathy?
That comparison is flawed, Glint betrayed her master AFTER the ritual, so Kralkatorrik wouldn’t have anything to fear if he created another one. But we do know that the abilities of the dragonspawn aren’t unique to him, as such he cannot be compared in this context to glint.
you’ll need to explain the relevance of the knowledge of Svanir being a champion of jormag , because atm i don’t see any.
I don’t think you quite understand what they mean with holding jormag back so the norn could escape. You don’t help someone escape by running away from the dragon. These spirits were actively holding jormag back, they didn’t want to escape to the msits because then the norn had no chance to escape.
Yes, his minions were, however it sjtu happens to be that those that control the portals happen to be corrupted norn. So i don’t think you quite proved your own point with that one As this would fall into the “innate abilities” due to their connection to the spiritworld. Also, show me proof that jormag can enter and leave the mists? he can’t, if he could, he would be feasting on the magic found in there. Which would probably include the Spirits who survived.
We saw some members who didn’t become Eyes and quite a few of them were not mesmers.
It didn’t matter, the dragon could simply hated. No known champion of Jormag could turn others so quickly into Icebrood, directly call upon its power to summon massive Blizzard to kill many, nor could any of them turn into Blizzard.
It could run away then go back to attack Jormag when it’s onto the Norns, like in game we don’t just stand there and fight the boss.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Spirit_of_Legend
1) Only Norn Havroun have the power to travel.
2) It was made clear that
Those who follow it do not have the ability to go into the Mists on its behalf, nor do they have the gifts norn expect to see in shamans of the Spirits of the Wild.
How did they open Frozen Portal other than using the Dragon’s help.
He has the ability to send his minions from the mist, to open portals to let his minions go into the portal. Actually we don’t even know much about its own activity everyday since we don’t see him in the game.
Yet we know Primordus can, it was told, because it had happend, not in our view, but it had happend thus had been recorded. There ahs been no reports at all of a newly created being made of flesh and bone from kralkatorrik. This comparison is failed from the start. We see the creatures he’s made and tehy are only made of stone and crystal. There is no proof whatsoever that suddenly the crystal dragon is able to mold flesh, because he can’t. Otherwise it would ahve been noticed by someone and written down, as was done with primordus.
Because i don’t state “what if” as a fact, i state it as one of the possibilities while you argue that it cannot be anything else. “What if” is not the same as “defiantely can’t be anything but this” that’s the difference between when i use it and you use it.
No we weren’t, we were talking about dragon champions holding on to abilites they already possessed before corruption, underwhich glint’s telepathy.
Then there is no proof of Reza and all the kings being mesmers and powerful enough to see through others’ mind as well. Plus the princes already proved that not all Orrian Royal members were mesmers. The other two nations’ royal line also suggested that it’s very unlikely that they were.
We are talking about magical abilities.