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To be fair, even the GW1 Mursaat did save Kryta and help keep the Titans sealed.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

They don’t look alike, but the symbol on the door certainly looks like a much more elaborate version of the bandit emblem.

Anyway, other lore elements that might be discussed here- apparently Glint hid something in the Maguuma around the end of GW1, we’ve got Rytlock ushering in a new class that seems to be a heavily armored ritualist- channels the Mists, specific ‘legends’, with Jalis and Mallyx mentioned as examples. And did I hear O’Brien letting it slip at the beginning that most of the sylvari have turned?

They do look quite alike, same color, similar head and are those wing on their back?

So we are going to ally with the murssat?

The blue orb might be DSD’s work.

Maethor.2810:

If I remember correctly corruption is sort of a conscious effort on the part of the dragon. Just because it’s part of a dragon doesn’t mean it’s going to seep corruption. If that was the case then the Zephyrites would all be corrupted from getting crystals of Glint’s corpse and the scholars in the Priory would be corrupted from Zhaitan’s tail.

For the Fang specifically, making a weapon out of it isn’t likely to happen, at least for a good long time. The lore surrounding it (other than its acquisition) is that the one who manages to damage it is the one that will bring Jormag down. So far no one has managed to ever do such so it’s pretty safe to assume until someone figures out how to damage it, making a weapon from it isn’t going to happen.

Though the image of the whole fang itself being catapulted is pretty funny…

But both Glint and Zhaitan are dead, Jormag is still alive.

Could it be used as a weapon against the dragons? We know that the spear that was made of Kralkatorrik’s bone, could be used to kill the dragon. Why not use the fang as a weapon?

Also why isn’t it spreading any corruption since it’s part of the dragon?

Koviko.3248:

@Slowpokeking What exactly is the problem? It sounds like you are complaining that they are similar when, really, it makes sense that they’d be similar. What exactly is your complaint about: the lore or the art?

I hope to see more difference.

Jormag is quite cool when it offers people power and sway them to his side, this makes it unique and manipulative, but the ability to direct corrupt the mind against others’ will is very dull.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Branded don’t have crystals growing on them. Rather, their insides become crystalline – beneath their skin – instantly upon corruption. Icebrood on the other hand have their skin, then muscle, slowly turn to ice.

Furthermore, not all branded were living beings (note: Shatterer).

Their behavior and appearance also differs fairly greatly (sans Branded Ogers/Icebrood Goliath, but that’s because they’re reskins of each other).

@Aaron: If you play a norn, who joins the Priory, and has quaggan or grawl as sympathetic race (not sure if quaggan is an option but I know grawl is), then the personal story is about Sons of Svanir/icebrood either directly or indirectly from start until Claw Island. Especially if you don’t take the “blacked out” storyline.

That’s just minor difference of their appearance, but they were not much different other than that. Both were living things, corrupted by the dragon on both the mind and the body.

Not all Icebrood were living being as well. There were Icebrood elementals and corrupted Ice as well.

I think the biggest lesson we’ve learned is:

We still don’t know a lot about the dragons, don’t use what we saw of the minions to make rules.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

But it’s all been secondary, and never directly about them anyway. The closest we’ve had is EoD, where an icebrood lieutenant is the goal of the first 2/3 of the book, but they only appear in a handful of chapters, and we aren’t given much information on anything besides said lieutenant. In-game? We fight them when dealing with the Sons of Svanir, we fight them when dealing with the dredge, we fight them when traveling through the overworld, we fight them when saving the grawl, the quaggan, and the kodan- but at no point has it actually been about them, and it’s tied up in the racial personal story or dungeon or hearts, all the realm of side story, to boot.

Not just EoD, these pretty much let us know how were they turned and how do they operate. Let me ask, what else do you want to know?

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I don’t think they’re too similar- or more to the point, that they’ll turn out to be too similar. It’s just a matter of being the two dragon minion factions who have yet to have a plot dedicated to them, and so being largely undeveloped beyond “these are minions of a dragon” and surface level aesthetics. There are all sorts of small hooks and quirks that can only be heard about from one or two places in the game, and I expect at least some of those will be expanded upon, or other new information will be introduced, when the spotlight passes to them.

There are a lot of plot about the Icebrood already.

Both were living creatures whose mind was corrupted by the dragon, body covered with ice/crystal. Just Kralkatorrik could even corrupt sparks.

Jormag could have been cooler if it only corrupt those who accepted its offer of power, willingly turned into its minion. Icebrood is too generic, especially in GW’s setting.

Jaken.6801:

Which I wrote… Spies in LA, attack on the Orders and the “blue orb incident”.

However these are deeds of Zaithan`s forces to further his goal.
We never saw him give direct orders.
However we saw Leaders of his forces argue and plan, showing that they can work independend from him.

I am not saying that he didn`t give orders to do certain things. It is just that the PS was really bad in showing him more than a beast, who is being fed and in the end shot down by lazors, because he didn`t get enough food.

We were shown a chain of command. Usually the head gives a (rough) order and the ones bellow try to carry it out, giving feedback to the top if problems arise.
We witnessed such a meeting at abaddons temple.

I hope we get some better “antagonists” with Mordremoth. Enemies we can focus on.
The Shadow of the Dragon was nothing more than a pet he send to carry out his plans for me.
That`s what GW2 needs. Someone we can focus on. Stepping stones. The EDs are way to big to be taken down by a little group of heroes, but rivals and clear targets are something they can do.

I didn`t felt any satisfaction from the SotD, simply because he was just there. I had two interaction and felt no real hate against him.
Subsequently he left me with no real impression, other than he was annoying. First time to many vines and the second time playing ragdoll with my body.

Because it doesn’t need to show up too much? Zhaitan’s Risen were like a real human kingdom, it was very organized and many of them retain their intelligence. Zhaitan mostly just need to set the direction. Mordremoth’s minions, other then the Sylvari, were all plants, many of them probably are similar to the Destroyers, with hive mind structure and little personality. So the Dragon need to set more direct influence.

But at the same time, most of Mordremoth’s minions weren’t even characters.

Ronin.7381:

Slowpokeking.8720:

Ronin.7381:

This is important to echo. Yes I have disagreed with Konig plenty of times in the past, my opinion of him is that he often picks and takes dialog of his choosing to strengthen his argument. Using things literally when they suit him and using things figuratively when they do not. Fact of the matter is, the theory was right, it’s time people accept it and move on.

I have disagreed with him many times as well, but to be honest, many of us used such way to argue before.

Definitely. So it’s with our experience(s) to sit back and say, “Alright, settle down. They don’t need pitchforks turned on them.” Actually speaking of which, I was one of those who thought Eye of The North was going to tell the tale of Menzies usurping Balthazar and plunge Tyria into chaos – jeez that expansion disappointed me. xD

Menzies, what is he doing now?

Ronin.7381:

This is important to echo. Yes I have disagreed with Konig plenty of times in the past, my opinion of him is that he often picks and takes dialog of his choosing to strengthen his argument. Using things literally when they suit him and using things figuratively when they do not. Fact of the matter is, the theory was right, it’s time people accept it and move on.

I have disagreed with him many times as well, but to be honest, many of us used such way to argue before.

Jaken.6801:

@Slowpokeking

Zaithan being smart is debateble.
We only interact with him one time. Which is during the end fight.
Other times we have “others” speak for him.

While he (might have) send some spies out in stealth to LA and there were attacks on the orders, that doesn`t have to be something strategic, but could also just be due to the fact that there were a lot of people/magical artifacts.
Things he send out his minions to gather.

The only other evidence could have been the “blue orb” incident with the traitor, but there it was also revealed that his minions can think on his own, putting Zaithans own intelligence again into question.

The Personal story itself did not really show him as a leader. Only the one who said: “Bring me food.”
We had more interaction with his minions than him.

What I am saying is basicly, that we just hadn`t enough interaction with him personaly to say it was his intelligence.

btw. Why do I imagine Audrey II, when I think of Mordremoth now? (oh Madrew II… now I get that joke as well, sneaky)
Converting all his minions with mind control and standing around: “Feed me, Scarlet, Feed me.”

He also tried to attack all the three orders’ bases and then sent spy to frame you and try to kill Trehane.

The last fight was garbage, but other than that he is quite smart compare to most of the MMORPG bosses.

Jaken.6801:

Yeah. Sylvari being part of a “plan” is kinda useless.
The EDs are powerfull enough to crush every enemy, if they would focus.

Creating a complete race of sleeper agents is somewhat idiotic.
I mean, so far we have no idea how intelligent Eldar Dragons are supposed to be. Zaithan does not serve as a good example so far.

I also do not believe they are on Shadowrun Eldar Dragon level, because if that was the case it would be game over from the start
Dunkelzahn you are not.

If they come from Mordry, than they are a coincidencial byproduct and nothing planned.
However I do not blame him, using them when they are there (also, they only got influenced in his vacinity, so I still believe it`s just plant-mind control).

Mordremoth : “Oh look, they bring me soldiers with minds, easy to access, why shouldn`t I use them.”

He tapped into Scarlet, when she was studying in that area and into Aerin, who learned about Glints egg to some degree (not that it there, but what the zephirites are) and had both do their bidding.
Scarlet fed him and Aerin cut off a possible thread.

At least that`s something I go by right now.
There is no real other evidence and all we can do is speculate.

We have the place where things happen: West of the Silverwastes.
We have what has/will happen: Some Sylvari going crazy (not all, as there are some staying sane. Either by not being close to the area, or because they are special?)

We know of someone who would embrace Mordremoth, if he shows her the true nature of the Sylvari, because that would be something she could go out and defend and it would be something that would give her purpose: Faloain.
So far, her goal is shrouded in mystery, just saying that the Dream is not her purpose. However she never really told what that was supposed to be.

Zhaitan was quite smart, just his minions were handling most of the stuff.

Why do we need that egg?

DorDor.8617:

Yeah, but given the sheer amount of power she and the fact that she plays a unique role in Zhaitan’s army, she can easily be considered a champion. Also, I didn’t say that grunts couldn’t have such intelligence (my theory actually relies on it), only that they are, for the most part, mindless.

I don’t think Zhaitan use champion-grunt style on its minions(at least the human ones), it more likely gave power on its minion based on their value. We can see there are numerous ranks among the Risen rather than just champions and grunts, it’s like a real human kingdom’s twisted version.

I also think it’s not that the Risen’s mind has been corrupted, but the their body were possessed by the dragon’s power and will. The lesser ones are mindless because less power was used on them. The Dragon’s will took control of their intelligence and memory. Romke and his crew’s spirit were not corrupted but their bodies were still turned into Risen.

Also we don’t know too much about Kralkatorrik for now. Jormag is the most well known dragon beside Zhaitan.

We really can’t assume different dragons’ minions as a whole.

Zhaitan’s Risen are based on a real human kingdom, since most of them once were Orr’s humans. It’s not just champions/grunts, but there are many more ranks among the Risen. Many of these Risen’s strength were based on their former humans selves. So not just the champions, the powerful princes/archmages/priests/mesmers still maintain their intelligence to make them a powerful and twisted version of their former selves.

The others weren’t like that, Jormag and Kralkatorrik’s Icebrood/Branded weren’t that organized. It’s more like champion/grunt style, the Sons of Svanir Shaman mostly served as “the brain” when there is no champion around.

Primordus’s Destroyers weren’t corrupted mortals, they have a hive mind. Not sure about Mordremoth but at least the Mordrem have similar hive mind as the Destroyers.

DorDor.8617:

That’s true. But they’re exceptions. The general rule of thumb is “If a creature was pregnant when it was corrupted, then it can still pop out babbies”, but it can’t get pregnant after the corruption takes place. There are also instances where a champion looks like it’s laying eggs, but it’s actually just creating more minion constructs (the Destroyer in the skritt Personal story step is a prime example, and so is Glint).

Laying egg and create more minions don’t contradict each other.

DorDor.8617:

Smart =/= predictable. And Risen mesmers don’t need to be smart, per se, they just need to have enough knowledge to know how to cast their illusions.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Labwan_the_Deceiver

This one planned to kill Tactician Syska then disguised as her for at least a week, at the same time she also speaks and act like Syska without rising much suspicion before she carried out of her plan-Frame the PC then ambush Traherane. That require quite a lot of intelligence.

Also during the same quest chain, you will encounter a illusion of Trahearne. You can obviously find that his speech pattern and behavior is different than the real one. So even with illusion, one would need enough intelligence to disguise the speech pattern and behavior.

Actually Scarlet and Arein showed us that even after being corrupted by Mordremoth, they still have the same intelligence.

DorDor.8617:

Dragon minions are savage and bloodthirsty and ferocious, but unless you’re dealing with a champion, they are oh so predictable, and that makes them very vulnerable to the sort of out-of-the-box thinking common among sentient beings (which just so happen to be the dragons’ greatest enemy). That’s been used to our advantage countless times in the overall story. We know the dragons themselves are self-aware and actually pretty clever when they put their minds to something. What’s stopping Mordremoth from realizing that this is a problem, and creating new, more independent minions to compensate? We know that dragons are capable of creating minions with some level of independence (champions), and there’s nothing in-lore that says they can’t apply those principles to their foot soldiers.

Quite a few non champion Risen(the mesmers) are quite smart, which makes them very dangerous.

DorDor.8617:

By the way, Konig is right in saying that the vast majority of his arguments come from in-game knowledge (with the exception of lieutenants, which has no legs of its own to stand on). That includes the lore on dragon reproduction.

No, we’ve seen dragon minions that can reproduce before.

DaShi.1368:

DorDor.8617:

On the Forgotten: There are only two instances that we know of in which a dragon minion gained/regained free will. One is Glint. The other is Twitchy the Chicken, when we recreated the Forgotten ritual. Before you mention Mawdrey, remember that it isn’t the same plant as the Mysterious Vine, only an ancestor (and before you mention the fact that minions can’t reproduce, remember that there are caveats to that rule).

All the theories that were created to try to debunk the Sylvari aren’t minions are based on “rules” created only by players. How can you argue against their “rules” when they say that the exceptions don’t contradict their “rules” but instead errors in the lore? It’s like a scientist holding on to a theory that has been thoroughly disproven, only far less significant.

Pretty much, we don’t really know the dragons a lot, even Zhaitan, we probably still miss some knowledge of it.

DorDor.8617:

Pinkunicorn of Dethecus.3217:

Squee.7829:

By your argument, treants and all GW1 plant enemies are mordrem, embers are destroyers, ice elementals are icebrood, and Palawa Joko is a risen. It just doesn’t work that way.

I’m aware this is a complete aside, (and I hesitate to mention it insofar as the Lore team might actually make it cannon, and that would be horrifying), but do we actually have any background on Pawala? AFAIK, he showed up in Elona and started taking things over until Turai and co. fought him, and he challenged Pawala to single combat and won, then does all the pre-gw1, Turai sealing off Pawala’s body.

I would truly, truly hope that Pawala weren’t a “freed” Risen champion (I feel like it would ruin his character to be just another ED device, I already don’t really care for ED), but I don’t know of anything in the gw universe that can make something persist after death with the strength and intelligence that Pawala is said to possess. Obviously, the Scepter of Orr has some effect on lifespan in humans, but unless Pawala had the sister staff at some point or something…

I’m reasonably sure that Palawa Joko was just an abnormally powerful/sociopathic necromancer that figured out how to turn himself into a Lich. And I’m positive that he’s not Zhaitan’s champion, because he definitely wasn’t around during the last rise (being a pesky human, and all), and his first brush with recorded history was hundreds of years before Zhaitan stirred. He could have tapped into the power of a dormant dragon like the asura did in Eye of the North to give himself that extra power boost, though. Or used a slain dragon champion, like Duncan the Black tried to do.

Do you think Vizier Khilbron was actually channeling Zhaitan’s energy to create the Cataclysm, also turned himself into a Lich?

Neilos Tyrhanos.5427:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

They have nothing in common with dragon minions.

They have little in common with the other varieties of Dragon minions we’ve seen.

That’s not an inconsistency, because there’s no actual contradiction of information: only new information. One may as well argue that Platypuses can’t be mammals, because they have little in common with other mammals.

Yeah, the only dragons that we know a lot are Zhaitan and Jormag.

I think the Vinewrath is part of the dragon.

DaShi.1368:

lordkrall.7241:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

They have nothing in common with dragon minions.

As far as we have seen.

I find it highly unlikely that we have seen all kinds of Dragon Minions. In fact we have probably seen rather few of them all in all.

That doesn’t make it inconsistent.

Actually, since we now know that ArenaNet had at least two confirmed dragon minions as of EOTN (Destroyers and Sylvari), the question shouldn’t be why are the Sylvari different from other minions?

Rather, it should be why are other dragon minions so different from the Destroyers and the Sylvari?

Plus the Nornbear and the crystal guardians we’ve seen in Glint’s lair.

So in Pale Tree’s vision, what are those purple crystals?

So what happened to that giant flower in the trailer?

Athrenn.9468:

Do the dragons interact though? For all we know, they may behave similar to solitary predator species like cats rather than like wolves who hunt in packs. It’s my theory that the Elder Dragons don’t coordinate with each other and instead compete with each other for natural resources (i.e. magic). Then, they hibernate after gorging themselves full and begin the process again millenia later.

Yes, so we should see other dragons to go for Zhaitan’s magic resource and territory, even fight each others rather than serve as a background and do nothing.

Since they were all active, they should show the connection and interaction between the dragons. It’s a bit sad that Jormag, Kralkatorrik and Primordus did almost nothing when the focus was on Zhaitan or the whole plot of Mordremoth.

Otherwise it would become boring to take down dragons one by one, that would be no different than throw in a “big bad” every xpc.

I don’t think the story should go to a single direction against one dragon every time, ignore the other dragons when all the dragons are awoke. Not to say the dragons might fight each other.

Glint-Kralkatorrik’s champion
Sylvari-Mordemoth’s creation

Could some Sea Creatures actually be DSD’s minion? Or that blue orb that could protect us from Zhaitan’s corruption?

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Personally, I’d default to fire, but I think it’s probably a mistake to trim it down to just an elemental rock-paper-scissors. Of more concern are availability of subjects, both locations and quantity, the unknown limitations of technology (that the device seems to have not worked at CoE but did work seemingly rather shortly thereafter in Arah makes me wonder if it can be overridden so long as the master dragon is alive), and the aforementioned ethical concerns- no point in adopting the technology it it causes desertions that cost just as much, if not more, power than was gained.

Why would Primordus stop us from destroying Mordremoth?

I think there is some elemental cycle around the dragons’ power.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Presumably more ethical. With them it’d only be a practical concern of the limitations of the device and both locating and rounding up a large supply of them.

Which dragon’s power might work the best on Mordremoth and its minions? Fire, Ice, Crystal or Death?

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I’d prefer them as expendable shock troopers, but… I think the problem here is that it’d be deemed too ‘immoral’. Killing risen is treated as putting them to rest. Using them like this would be seen as enslaving them, especially by people who have had comrades or loved ones become corrupted. As traumatizing as the Orr campaign supposedly was, that’d be a massive “kitten you” to the soldiers who made it possible.

Then how about Destroyers?

Tamias.7059:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

…

You claim that there has never been any evidence for the “sylvari = dragon minions” theory, and yet you acknowledge that it has been speculated to be the case since release…do you think it’s possible that there have been hints and support for the theory since release, and that you just failed to see them?

Also, you don’t think your rejection of any proposed support for this theory has anything to do with your dislike of it as a story direction? Or is that just a coincidence?

He has a lot of knowledge, just is a bit too stubborn sometimes.

Now I understand the whole change of Scarlet.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Slowpokeking.8720:

So the egg of Glint might be useful to break the link between Sylvari and the dragon.

. . . either that or Caithe just wants a crystal dragon omelette.

Kralkatorrik’s power might counter Mord’s?

So the egg of Glint might be useful to break the link between Sylvari and the dragon.

They could dominate the Risen to control them, and transfer the dragons’ power together to create monsters, would these be helpful if the Pact could take such technology?

Astralporing.1957:

Remember, canonically Zhaitan is the weakest of all the elder dragons.

Where did it say? It was pretty much the most aggressive dragon before it was killed.

Basaltface.2786:

like i said.. it seems mordi isnt even fully awake yet and we dont know how “dominated” his home turf really is. We are just at the border atm… we didnt see anything of the jungle just yet…well cept some veins and by judging the size of these things and the speed they can move (if they want to) mordi is either gigantic or got a serios talent for botanics. Also imo a dragon who can technically grow most of his minions like granny grows radishes in the backyard got TECHNICALLY an endless supply of lackeys to send after us while zhaitan needed corpses to fill out his ranks (we even got a story mission where we cut off his supply routes and even his way to feed on magic), even most of his champions (like the eyes) where created of powerfull orrian rulers and other stuff like the lupicus giganticus. Well with orr he struck a gold mine of death without a question…but mordi technically only needs stuff a plant needs to grow (and we dont even know if he really needs it) and magic to feed on (whats a “duh” for an elder dragon, thats sorta what they do) to do his shenanigans and send his roots and minions all over the place…and that seemingly fast enough to catch entire fortresses by surprise. He also seems to be quite capable to consume magic without the need for creatures like the mouthes of zhaitan and know whats going on in tyria without the need for creatures like the eyes of zhaitan or facebook. Also mordi seems to love to kitten arround with poison gas…what he gladly shows off at the fortresses in the silver wastes and his minions do use tactics and assist and even heal eachother much more then zhaitans crew does (might be just to make the gameplay more interresting rather then meant to be tactics directly from the dragon…dunno if that one counts). Sure zhaitans marine was massive and he also had a lot of minion dragons…. but i really doubt we saw even a fraction of what mordi is capable off just yet. Lets just wait and see what comes…but imo mordi is waaaay more dangerous then zhaitan.

Zhaitan didn’t just rule Orr, its navy pretty much dominated the sea before the famous counterattack. It could raise slain enemy directly into its minion and leak all the information to it, that was a huge advantage. Zhaitan’s minions also knew tactics well and tricked us quite a few times.

I don’t think Mordremoth knew what’s going on without using its minions to observe. The World Summit mostly was leaked to it by someone, it was mentioned in the end.

The only advantage of Mordremoth is that it could attack from underground.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

More to the point, they did state that when a dragon first awakens is when it is usually most destructive and powerful. Zhaitan’s armies won many battles when he first awoke (see the very first GW2 trailer for reference). The Dragonbrand and thousands of Branded were created in just a couple of hours.

Mordremoth’s reach is further than Kralkatorrik’s, but Mordremoth wasn’t immedietly rushing off to deal with a rogue lieutenant either. We can also guess he is physically much larger than any of the other dragons.

As a fun fact, the Zhaitan model we have in game, which is the size of Lion’s Arch, is actually a shrunken down version. The original model they produced was so large it crashed the game. If Zhaitan, lore-wise, is that large, and Mordremoth is likely even larger…

I don’t think that’s because they were more powerful at that time, but because ppl didn’t know much about them.

Basaltface.2786:

alone from influence over tyria mordi seems to outmatch zhaitan by far. His veins go all over the land and his minions appear even in the mountains by the norn and far in the east ( to mordi´s turf) in ashford and annoy the charr devourer breeders over there and he doesnt even seem to be fully of the couch yet. Sure zhaitan had orr under his perfect controll and had here and there some undead attacks…but most further away attacks where thanks to a necromancer…and only indirectly had to do with zhaitan. As for his armies… we really dont know if thats all he got. Yes so far its just beasts…but quite a few of them dont seem to be plant based only…like the troll and the griffon, they are certainly corrupted (maybe also the wolf..cause it does got an animal skull as head), most likely just critters that doodle arround in the area where he is at, im pretty certain he will sooner or later start to corrupt more advanced species…like zhaitan did with his army or thriller backup dancers and also kralkatorrik and jormag with the branded and the icebrood. So yea… IMO mordi is already more dangerous then zhaitan. Also he directly attacked the summit.. what shows he is quite aware of what we are up to…and there is still that slight hunch i got that the sylvari are actually dragon minions.. or that the seed of the pale tree came to be through mordi….maybe something arround glint´s thing that she wasnt a kittendragon basically. We will (hopefully) see soon enough

But most of these places were only influenced, not dominated.

Zhaitan’s navy blocked the sea and attack from numerous places, it almost took Lion’s Arch twice and destroyed many posts. Sure it couldn’t go from underground but it was the most threatening dragon which is why it’s taken out first.

Cuddy.6247:

Slowpokeking.8720:

Shouldn’t Mordremoth be easier to take down than Zhaitan? Zhaitan had a whole nation of corpses plus many ship crew to use from the beginning, spent 120 years to build its army and expand the territory, consume as much magic as it could. Mordremoth didn’t have such time and resources.

Well, yes…sort of. But this is the first time we’ve experienced a dragon waking up. All of the others woke up before the game started.

Also, he might be stronger than Zhaitan. I think there was some mention (not sure where, though, so it could’ve just been speculation) that when one dragon falls (Zhaitan, for instance) the others get stronger due to the excess magic that they can consume. I imagine though that in the end, many of Mordremoth won’t have as vast an array of armies so much as just jungle creatures. He probably won’t have the calculating army like Zhaitan did.

We didn’t experience, but Destiny’s Edge did.