Guild Wars 2

I would call this a “Bug Fix/Buff”.

-All spirits can now be launched, knocked down, and knocked back. Finally was wondering when this would be added/fixed.

Nice buff to Spirit Recharge.

Nice buff to Spirit Elite recharge.

Nice buff to being able now to reply to QQ threads with but they nerft our Spirit’s.

Good bye baddies.

google.3709:

style.6173:

Lol @ anyone complaining about spirit rangers. They are insanely easy to counter. In fact they are usually my first target.

spirit rangers(and necro) push condi meta over the top, condi meta is killing PvP :] its not the build itself but rather the impact that it has on the game…

and spirit rangers first target? interesting, why not burn all cds a perma evade 3k+ perma protection bunkers :/

Some of us Spirit Rangers, run around with AK’s lol insta killing fools.

Might be worth holding a Scrim match between team’s, hold the match then go back to talking about the balance and meta? Just idea, good way to show and explain problem’s.

Would attract more viewer’s as well.

Xsorus.2507:

Sol.4310:

Xsorus.2507:

Lighter.5631:

Xsorus.2507:

You guys are still kittening about Spirit Rangers, before that you were kittening about BM Bunker Rangers, These are things that within a month people knew how to counter them, and SPvP picked up months after I created BM Bunker and others had used Spirit Ranger and knew the counter.

You guys haven’t adapted to a meta within 1 week at any point in this game..Instead you whine that you don’t want to change your current meta until anything new is nerfed (that one of you stole from World vs World Players)

Look, a imba WvW player who accept their imba-ness talk about how PvP players don’t adapt this BS imba meta, cool story bro. ill tell you we adapt. my friend just quit his thief and played a spirit ranger 21 wins 8 lose yoloq.

And in 3 month’s when you guys finally adapt to Spirit Rangers, he’ll quit that toon and play a different one.

This is why you have little understanding about current meta game in SPvP, you have no freaken idea what your talking about. Do you even know why Spirit Ranger’s took over in last 2 month’s.

Because SPvPer’s are a day late and a dollar short.

Yeah that’s right you have nothing. Go back to WvW and make videos of you kill nubs.

Xsorus.2507:

Lighter.5631:

Xsorus.2507:

You guys are still kittening about Spirit Rangers, before that you were kittening about BM Bunker Rangers, These are things that within a month people knew how to counter them, and SPvP picked up months after I created BM Bunker and others had used Spirit Ranger and knew the counter.

You guys haven’t adapted to a meta within 1 week at any point in this game..Instead you whine that you don’t want to change your current meta until anything new is nerfed (that one of you stole from World vs World Players)

Look, a imba WvW player who accept their imba-ness talk about how PvP players don’t adapt this BS imba meta, cool story bro. ill tell you we adapt. my friend just quit his thief and played a spirit ranger 21 wins 8 lose yoloq.

And in 3 month’s when you guys finally adapt to Spirit Rangers, he’ll quit that toon and play a different one.

This is why you have little understanding about current meta game in SPvP, you have no freaken idea what your talking about. Do you even know why Spirit Ranger’s took over in last 2 month’s.

Xsorus.2507:

Sol.4310:

Xsorus.2507:

You guys are still kittening about Spirit Rangers, before that you were kittening about BM Bunker Rangers, These are things that within a month people knew how to counter them, and SPvP picked up months after I created BM Bunker and others had used Spirit Ranger and knew the counter.

You guys haven’t adapted to a meta within 1 week at any point in this game..Instead you whine that you don’t want to change your current meta until anything new is nerfed (that one of you stole from World vs World Players)

You make stupid look smart, don’t even try to claim you made the BM build you made the gimick PI carry me build, now your trying to make a build where the runes carry you with PI.

So much skill…. You don’t have much of understanding about the current meta in SPvP. Just listen to yourself. Do you even play at the top tier level in team que for past few months for one I’ve never seen you once.

BM Bunker is and will always be PI Build, PI build as you put it is nothing more then BM Bunker with PI Equipped as a utility, If you didn’t have PI you used Lightning Reflex/SoR or any other ability in the game, and still wrecked face.. Hell I even had movies of me using “PI Build” as you so put it but instead using Sharpening Stone Instead.

Also Latest Build I created uses the runes with Technobabble, Which I used before the Runes were Released…But TB takes advantage of Perplexity so much it’d be silly not to use them now.

You know this is SPvP forum’s right where we don’t have racial skills right?

Xsorus.2507:

You guys are still kittening about Spirit Rangers, before that you were kittening about BM Bunker Rangers, These are things that within a month people knew how to counter them, and SPvP picked up months after I created BM Bunker and others had used Spirit Ranger and knew the counter.

You guys haven’t adapted to a meta within 1 week at any point in this game..Instead you whine that you don’t want to change your current meta until anything new is nerfed (that one of you stole from World vs World Players)

You make stupid look smart, don’t even try to claim you made the BM build you made the gimick PI carry me build, now your trying to make a build where the runes carry you with PI.

So much skill…. You don’t have much of understanding about the current meta in SPvP. Just listen to yourself. Do you even play at the top tier level in team que for past few months for one I’ve never seen you once.

Xsorus.2507:

redslion.9675:

Xsorus.2507:

Rofl, I’ve been laughing at the Warriors on their forums arguing for weeks now that they’re perfectly fine because no one uses them in SPvP and I told them “Just because SPvP is filled with idiots who don’t catch on for month’s doesn’t mean your class is fine, I’ve created builds that they’ve picked up month’s later, whined about, despite counters already showing up and then gotten nerfed because of it”

SPvP will never be on the forefront of creating new builds, because its a dumbed down version of World vs World….People find a meta and stick to it not willing to lose their “ranking” while in World vs World, you’re more likely to lose fights and try something new.

Soooo… even longbow/hammer is OP now?

Or is the problem about healing signet?

Warriors Suffer from To much To Soon.

Healing Signet without all the Condition Changes they received wouldn’t be Overpowered

Condition Changes without Healing Signet Buff wouldn’t be overpowered

But them together, and its overpowered

Weapon Themselves is not to bad, I personally don’t think Longbow is Overpowered, or Even Hammer, But Skullcrack is just stupid… I have a 5 Second Daze in a build I use that’s on a 45 second cooldown, its bloody powerful as hell… a 4 Second Stun every 7-10 seconds is just moronic… There is no Amount of Stability in the game that can save you from it.

But is Skullcrack super overpowered because they have Sustain now from Healing Signet when before they couldn’t last long enough to fight through stability…..See that’s little things you have look akittens not just one thing that’s overpowered about Warriors, Its a hard concept SPvP tend not to grasp…Its lots of little things added over time that make them just silly right now.

Your a WvW not a SPvP, so goto WvW forums and talk about how godly your unbalanced crakitten ome where else. Stop posting on every single post calling us SPvP dumb.

I used to WvW allot, roam & duels all day long, but it’s so unbalanced it isn’t funny. Just take look at your runes………. Take look at most your PI videos……

zone.1073:

I still do not agree that warriors hard counter spirit rangers. Yes warriors have the potential to take out the spirits, but at great cost. In group fights this can be done because everyone’s damage combined with the warrior’s AoE will take out the spirits efficiently. However, in 1v1s, the ranger will still dominate the warrior because of how long it takes to kill the spirits with just the warrior’s AoE alone.

Yeah, if we take some Stun-Breakers it’s a different story, but people hate changing builds or thinking outside the box.

Eurantien.4632:

Seems to be some confusion. SYNC lost because their ranger’s were ill equipped to fight CC. CC had two power specs, while both Vyn and Twerp were running carrion, triple spirits, and healing spring. The hammer aoe stun, prevents either ranger from attacking meaning they do not get the protection proc from the spirit, the S/D thief evades preventing either ranger from connecting a hit causing the protection to not proc and rendering it useless. Not to mention, S/D steals boons. Low toughness, bad healing skill, and bad utility caused SYNC to have a handicap. This is because without the protection from the stuns/evades from CC the rangers were forced into using their heals prematurely, once this occurs this type of spirit ranger is very vulnerable to conditions which is how CC ended up winning the majority of fights even though they would lose a teammate first. A change to rabid amu with probably signet of renewal instead of stone spirit would’ve have gone a long way imo. Also, a different heal like troll would have been much more efficient against a double power, double condi team. I know both of SYNC’s rangers are skilled players but this felt like a simple oversight that costed a lot of fights. Also, putting Vyndetta into most team fights with a/d s/t instead of Twerp who had shortbow (shortbow can peel for teammates) also seemed like an oversight. However, with such a new team it is to be expected that things like this happen.

You missed a few more things.

1. Both Ranger’s had no mobility.
2. Both ran Healing Spring and didn’t once use it as blast finisher for there team!!!!
3. None of them ran Warhorn for team support/heals/mobility. WTF!!!

Vyndetta’s build wasn’t to bad but it had no chance of beating that Warrior 1v1 on backpoint.

Twerp’s build was major let down for SYNC.

Something that might work.

Change the minor spirit’s to Enchantment’s. So there isn’t anymore Ai clutter, leave the Elite the same.

Add in a new skill remove enchantment to say Mesmer class only.

Just an idea, I’m not talken about the cd’s effects and changes of the skills I’m just thinking the Ai clutter was so stupid. So without breaking the class completely just change what they are.

But who care’s anymore PvP isn’t going to change for while. Think time find something new to play.

cymerdown.4103:

About AI, they can still have it in the game, but just not be very viable at the top level. There’s still reason to have it in the game even if it’s not playable at the top end. Players that are more casual or newer to the game need builds to play that aren’t super complicated, but perform well enough at the entry level to get them into the game. There’s a lot of game design theory on the subject, but basically, you want to reward the new player more when they first start playing, because that gives them more interest in the game by making them feel a bit powerful from the get-go. At some later point, they may find out that this first build they learned won’t get them into the top echelons, but at least you attracted them to learn more and get far enough to learn that because they had an easier to play build to learn the game on. You just wean them off of it later and let them find out about the more competitive but harder to play specs that will deepen their understanding of the game at a time where their skill has caught up to the point where they can actually learn how to play it.

Concerning counter builds, there’s some more game design theory to bring in here. There are what are called “hard counters” and “soft counters”. Hard counter means we’re playing a game of rock-paper-scissors, where if your team has a Spirit Ranger (rock), and I’ve got a CC Warrior (paper), my paper is going to beat your rock 80%+ of the time (not going for an exact percentage here, just using this as an example). So, all I need to do is make sure my paper fights your rock a lot during the match, and your team will be at a severe disadvantage. This type of counter is also what we call “Build Wars”, where most of the match is decided before we even start playing based on what comp each team is running. This powerful of a level of countering is not fun to play, and not fun to watch.

What is more ideal is the idea of building “soft counters”. So, ideally, if you’re running a Spirit Ranger, and I’ve got a CC Warrior, maybe the chances of winning a duel are closer to 60%/40%. This way, sure, I’ve got your counter on my team, but it only gives my team a slight edge against you — there’s still plenty of room for skill and playstyle to make up for the natural disadvantage between our builds. In order to have a healthy game, you really want to minimize the amount of hard counters in the game and make it more about soft counters.

So lastly, the idea here about nerfing and buffing isn’t about going around in a circle nerfing things into oblivion till each class is the exact same and all are complete trash. The idea is about removing the outliers. If we think of all the builds being put on a line graph where the y-axis is “Power Level”, right now that graph is very spiky on the high side where it comes to Spirit Ranger, Necro, and S/D Thief, and very spiky on the low end when it comes to unplayed specs like Gadget Engi, Trap Thief, and Physical skill Warrior. We want to make that graph less spiky and more like a straight line (as much as humanly possible). Bring down the uber strong stuff, bring up the super lame weak stuff. Kapeesh?

Well Guild Wars 1 was all about build war’s and hard counters and look how good that was, allot of problems we are faced with atm is due to node’s we always fighting on small area which is size of almost every bloody skill.

If they gave us better game mode, you would find be hole different meta once again. Build’s that are spam friendly (every single class) would require more skill as your target isn’t just sitting on a point most of the game.

You can complain about Spirit Ranger’s as much as you want, but there not the reason the meta is kitten, there Elite shouldn’t be able to Res so many times but that’s about it.

I can’t believe your kittening about Spirit Ranger’s, and wasting time writing up these big reports on how the game should be when they doing same style of balance as gw1 and it worked.

Mrbig.8019:

Sol.4310:

Mrbig.8019:

Sol.4310:

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Truth hurts doesn’t it you nice guy. I’ll let you fill in the blank’s.

Your prob one of them morons basing there fact’s off Solo Que, them arena’s will never be balance ever.

Now team que, may not be balanced but all the QQ about spirit ranger’s cracks me up, simple minded kittentards have no idea.

So, this time your argument is that you agree that it’s definitely not balanced for solo arena, and it may not be balanced for team arena, but people are complaining too much about how it’s not balanced. I see.

Aeroxe.8140:

Actually, Mini Ken is a good guardian and plays tpvp quite often. I never see you around though.

Aw, thanks Aeroxe! I played against Sol once just a night or two ago in team arena, he just doesn’t remember I guess.

Unlike you at least I post counter’s to the argument, on how you can improve your team’s game play. So it’s less stressful when you face teams running these so called Cheese build which turn’s out any build that beats someone is Cheese.

Sol, it seems you don’t really understand the point of the whining against spirit rangers.

Personally i don’t feel spirit rangers are THAT OP ( maybe the only OP thing is the ress elite), but they’re ridicolously broken.

You can LITERALLY spam your skill and win against a competent opponent playing another class.

S/D thieves are on the same road, but they can be countered by learning their animations: spirit rangers can’t be countered due to random, automatic, procs putting BURNING on your opponents ( best damging condi) and prot on you ( best defensive condi) without you really doing anything.

You can’t counter a proc, it will just happen you’ll burn your opponent with a 40% uptime with a single, unavoidable, proc.

And if you are equipped with forge runes, between dodges and procs, you have nearly 100% prot uptime on you.

The only “counter” is to kill your spirits, which have good health and need TEAM FOCUSING ( or 2vs1) to be killed fast, putting your team into a disadvantage.

in a 1vs1 situation, killing a spirit ranger WHILE killing his spirits ( hoping he didn’t cast them 30 secs before, in that case you’ll have him able to recast them as soon as you destroy them) is exhausting, requires too much time for the skill the ranger requires to kill you ( dumb rotation of skills even a brain dead monkey could pull off) and is ALWAYS in ranger favor unless you’re against a CC war or a necro.

They also have RIDICOLOUSLY strong team support and , most annoying fact, they clutter the screen with AI.

It’s a cheese build, not ridicolously OP, but cheesy as kitten, and dumb down the whole game along with necro condi spam.

Deal with it.

Yet Warrior’s and Engi are beating Spirit Rangers 1v1, they must be running a cheese build and are ridiculously OP. Better start new thread, there are classes beating Spirit Ranger quickly nerf them.

Spirit Elite yep it is OP, never said it wasn’t and I’ve never really said thakittens hard to play Spirit Ranger or anything to do with Spirit ranger itself. What I have said is ways to deal with it.

Every team has same problem, every single team in Team Arena runs at least 1 Spirit Ranger. Why the hell haven’t they figured out how to counter it rather then come to forums and QQ.

You know warriors are beating spirit rangers because they’re in the same OPwagon.

Engies in order to beat them needed to completely change their build to a more dumbed spammy build with nades , rampager ammo and automated response ( another cheese), basically a dumbed down version of the high skill ceiling engi build we usually used to run: still the engi is capable to do so because it’s the most versatile, balanced proff out there and has the options to do so, and still it’s about 50%-50%.

What about other classes ?

Do you think is satisfying when a pro -insert class here- is defeated by someone spamming autos with shortbow ?

The answer is simple, and it really doesn’t matter if you CAN counter comp him.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRBHRxG2IRVZdXlTFodgYVQQtHZy8Yy9oUk6UHs6zD-TwAg2CrIaS1krJTTymsNN8Y5xehZAA

The build I use and I don’t play back point, try spamming with that and dealing much damage in team fight’s. That 150-300 damage from my weapons + burning god so much damage it must be OP.

SB is spam friendly, but that weapon is designed that way not much you can do about it. The Auto attack from almost every single class is spam friendly and has same amount as skill as a ranger.

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Unlike you at least I post counter’s to the argument, on how you can improve your team’s game play. So it’s less stressful when you face teams running these so called Cheese build which turn’s out any build that beats someone is Cheese.

I never said that there are zero ways in the game to counter Spirit Ranger. Obviously there are ways to counterplay against the spec, and you named a few of them. But when a single spec is powerful enough to require teams to run a small number of precise builds to counter it, that’s what you called a warped metagame, where the entire game begins to revolve around being able to deal with this one overpowered thing. In games, when this happens, it’s not considered a particularly healthy thing, and should be fixed in order to have a more healthy and diverse meta.

The main complaint about the spec that I think you’re missing is the skill-to-power ratio. A spec that gives good results while not requiring much skill to get those good results is a major let down for competitive play. Competitive players want to feel that the game rewards their higher skill with better results, otherwise, why continue to practice and get better when others with less experience and skill can out-perform you with this other spec anyway? It’s fine to have these passive, high AI specs, they just shouldn’t be able to compete with higher skill cap builds in the competitive scene. That’s the major thing turning competitive players away from the game at an alarming rate, and that’s the reason that this issue is so important for a lot of people.

I agree with you, I hate the state of what this stupid meta is in. I gave up trying to figured out ways to complain about spec’s being OP.

I also hate the amount of Ai you see and the clutter, most of that is from blast finishers and effect’s coming off skills, they should just give us option to remove effects and leave actions.

The Ai problem will never leave, there no point giving a class skill if they are going to be useless. A better targeting system would be good, but by making it only target’s will effect the mesmer class when comes clones, going to be far to easy for us to follow the mesmer.

Your some what correct about what you said about a “warped meta” and it’s health. But this is how balance is found within almost every single online game, they design a build which counter players other builds.

Now put the Warrior in the Spirit Ranger’s spot, as they beating them atm. Do you nerf the Warrior or do you buff the Spirit Ranger. So now if you look at it from that point of view which class do you nerf and which class do you buff, cause if you nerf the Spirit Ranger wouldn’t that mean Warrior is now OP and they will have to nerf the Warrior then making it not as effective in a result other classes beating it meaning they repeat the same crap over and over, going by your idea of a better way to balance in fact is more unhealthy then adding in counter’s rather then trying to make every single build on par with each other.

Mrbig.8019:

Sol.4310:

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Truth hurts doesn’t it you nice guy. I’ll let you fill in the blank’s.

Your prob one of them morons basing there fact’s off Solo Que, them arena’s will never be balance ever.

Now team que, may not be balanced but all the QQ about spirit ranger’s cracks me up, simple minded kittentards have no idea.

So, this time your argument is that you agree that it’s definitely not balanced for solo arena, and it may not be balanced for team arena, but people are complaining too much about how it’s not balanced. I see.

Aeroxe.8140:

Actually, Mini Ken is a good guardian and plays tpvp quite often. I never see you around though.

Aw, thanks Aeroxe! I played against Sol once just a night or two ago in team arena, he just doesn’t remember I guess.

Unlike you at least I post counter’s to the argument, on how you can improve your team’s game play. So it’s less stressful when you face teams running these so called Cheese build which turn’s out any build that beats someone is Cheese.

Sol, it seems you don’t really understand the point of the whining against spirit rangers.

Personally i don’t feel spirit rangers are THAT OP ( maybe the only OP thing is the ress elite), but they’re ridicolously broken.

You can LITERALLY spam your skill and win against a competent opponent playing another class.

S/D thieves are on the same road, but they can be countered by learning their animations: spirit rangers can’t be countered due to random, automatic, procs putting BURNING on your opponents ( best damging condi) and prot on you ( best defensive condi) without you really doing anything.

You can’t counter a proc, it will just happen you’ll burn your opponent with a 40% uptime with a single, unavoidable, proc.

And if you are equipped with forge runes, between dodges and procs, you have nearly 100% prot uptime on you.

The only “counter” is to kill your spirits, which have good health and need TEAM FOCUSING ( or 2vs1) to be killed fast, putting your team into a disadvantage.

in a 1vs1 situation, killing a spirit ranger WHILE killing his spirits ( hoping he didn’t cast them 30 secs before, in that case you’ll have him able to recast them as soon as you destroy them) is exhausting, requires too much time for the skill the ranger requires to kill you ( dumb rotation of skills even a brain dead monkey could pull off) and is ALWAYS in ranger favor unless you’re against a CC war or a necro.

They also have RIDICOLOUSLY strong team support and , most annoying fact, they clutter the screen with AI.

It’s a cheese build, not ridicolously OP, but cheesy as kitten, and dumb down the whole game along with necro condi spam.

Deal with it.

Yet Warrior’s and Engi are beating Spirit Rangers 1v1, they must be running a cheese build and are ridiculously OP. Better start new thread, there are classes beating Spirit Ranger quickly nerf them.

Spirit Elite yep it is OP, never said it wasn’t and I’ve never really said thakittens hard to play Spirit Ranger or anything to do with Spirit ranger itself. What I have said is ways to deal with it.

Every team has same problem, every single team in Team Arena runs at least 1 Spirit Ranger. Why the hell haven’t they figured out how to counter it rather then come to forums and QQ.

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Truth hurts doesn’t it you nice guy. I’ll let you fill in the blank’s.

Your prob one of them morons basing there fact’s off Solo Que, them arena’s will never be balance ever.

Now team que, may not be balanced but all the QQ about spirit ranger’s cracks me up, simple minded kittentards have no idea.

So, this time your argument is that you agree that it’s definitely not balanced for solo arena, and it may not be balanced for team arena, but people are complaining too much about how it’s not balanced. I see.

Aeroxe.8140:

Actually, Mini Ken is a good guardian and plays tpvp quite often. I never see you around though.

Aw, thanks Aeroxe! I played against Sol once just a night or two ago in team arena, he just doesn’t remember I guess.

Unlike you at least I post counter’s to the argument, on how you can improve your team’s game play. So it’s less stressful when you face teams running these so called Cheese build which turn’s out any build that beats someone is Cheese.

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Guys, let’s face facts here. Spirit Ranger’s really not that great, stop complaining to Anet. L2p.

Signed,
Spirit Ranger

Well put.

Truth hurts doesn’t it you ______ ____. I’ll let you fill in the blank’s.

Your prob one of them morons basing there fact’s off Solo Que, them arena’s will never be balance ever.

Now team que, may not be balanced but all the QQ about spirit ranger’s cracks me up, simple minded kittentards have no idea.

If Necro’s never got that crazy amount of buffs making them powerful in terms of loading conditions none stop, the word Spirit Ranger wouldn’t of even hit the forums.

Lets face facts here, Spirit Rangers are in 3rd place in backpoint/roaming. Engineer’s and Warrior’s do it better and there more mobile. Where as Spirit Ranger’s are more viable in team fight’s but at the same time making there Spirit’s more acceptable to damage.

Something allot seem to miss, the Spirit Ranger doesn’t put out burst damage it’s slow condition damage built up over time and it’s one of the slowest in team fights to stack the condition’s. What a Spirit Ranger bring’s is Healing/Protection. They are support bots. With extra damage from burning which doesn’t stack in damage only duration.

Now between the 3 type’s of Spirit Ranger Builds, they all provide different effect’s in team battles, for E.g. Rabid user will use SB which only hit’s 1 target, where as shaman user will use Axe which hits 3 targets. The your Carrion user which needs to rethink why hell he using weakest Spirit Ranger Build.

Also allot of you simply think Spirit Ranger’s are OP and easy mode, well if you leave a class un-checked there easy mode as well. It’s like saying guy’s don’t target the Fresh Air Ele cause he can one shot us, let him freely spam his skills while he destroys our hole team.

Half the reason Spirit Ranger’s are so strong in team fight’s is your own team is stupid. Think about it, most team’s will take the perma evade thief build (then come to forums complain about rangers evading every 6-10 seconds) why the hell don’t you rethink your thief’s build you know the other team is going to have a Spirit Ranger, ask your stupid thief stop playing a build that doesn’t help the team and take a build that does. You could easy take a SB and burst down Spirit’s every single time there up and when the Elite is up you can interrupt the Res rather easy.

So have a good think about it.

If a team runs Spirit Ranger on backpoint rotate someone who can beat him and decap his point, that is win right there.

If a team runs Spirit Ranger frontline, make sure you have effective ways to counter there Spirit’s, if you leave the ranger un-checked your the bloody NOOB.

Now stop your kittening about ranger’s and grow up.

Btw my team does all of the above, we don’t run any necro’s, I run Axe/Dagger-Sword/Horn Spirit Ranger. We only have burning as condition in our team fights and some poison from me for downed bodies and the bleeds I can land here and there and we murder team’s loading up on Necro’s and Spirit Ranger’s.

Feel Free to contact me in game if you want to know more.

Dev’s said on stream other day spirit ranger build wasn’t getting a nerf. I can’t confirm it 100% but it’s what my team mate was telling me.

Yasha.5963:

So can anyone tell me why the ranger spirit build is suddenly all the rage? Like I said, I used to play that build from time to time when I was playing GW2 a lot, but back then most people laughed at me for running a spirit build.

When I played it had good sustain and team synergy, but with no stun breaker and limited damage. I stopped playing actively around the time elementalists were seen as OP and trap ranger or maybe beastmaster were the favoured ranger builds- what has changed with the spirit build since then? I had a look but can’t see any major changes, can anyone fill me in?

Trait merge, pet nerf, Storm Spirit buff. That’s basically the hole reason.

Yasha.5963:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Sol.4310:

Check this out for some ranger game play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoecWizD4rQ

Now picture GW2 with this type of game play….

Now that is awesome!

Too bad in GW2, a ranger either spams shortbow 1 in your face and/or evade skills the crap out of you until all Evade texts are blurry and let their pets and spirits do all the nasty stuff on opponent.

I tried that game and uninstalled it soon after. The controls/movement are really slow and clunky and you can hardly see anything. It looks awesome, and is an awesome idea for a game, but its just crap at the moment unfortunately.

Not sure when you played it, the movement can be fixed via the settings and your control’s are almost same as Guildwars 2 well atleast for me anyways. If anything the controls are faster in that game which is what I like. Only part can be real pain is I hate jumping in any game.

google.3709:

Sol.4310:

google.3709:

Wombat.3510:

Before we continue this thread, lets correct some common misconceptions:

Nobody is going to roll a spirit ranger and mop the floor with anyone more experienced than them unless they get really lucky. A skilled spirit ranger will do really well against anyone less skilled – as will a skilled player with any class.

Spirit rangers are completely worthless once their spirits are killed. Compared to every other class, they have no defense, no damage, no stun break, and little condition removal. The key is killing the spirits and not just rushing in on top of the ranger and spamming everything at once. I know people like to play that way, but it simply won’t work against anyone with any skill.

Who really cares if a class is easy to play anyway. That just makes it easier to attract more new players and gives less skilled players a little better chance to survive past 5 seconds. I’m starting to get the impression that most people in this game don’t have fun unless they can spec glass cannon, spam all their abilities and drop people in 5 seconds. Now that would really would be a messed up meta!

• but it is possible for a meh spirit rangers to be decent+ players on different professions after playing the build for 20 mins

• Yes you can kill them, but on team figts on node, your entire team will be hurting after spirits proc twice and they happen to get off guard, and then the ranger can just kite around on their 3k armor and perma protection and wait a few seconds until spirit are back up since they start recharge the moment they are casted…

• if you’re 1v1ing, unless you have strong AoE and decent heals, you will have taken a little too much damage, and used up alot of cool downs, before you’re ready to attempt to take the bunker down….

AND THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING DUE TO THE META…js

1. lots of good/top players/teams are taking “breaks” due to the brainless condi/pet spam/meta
2. The remaining players are stomping and face crushing any new comers on tPvP since no one really teamQ’s anymore, so its soooooooooo commmmoooon for a decent team to get match up with people who just started pvp’ing, and then those people get stepped on and dont come back to PvP

there is no problem with easy face roll builds, the problem is that thisbuild is poison and is quickly killing the game by promoting brainless play and forcing players to just spam AoE in order to deal with all the pets being thrown around… its not enjoy able to play, to play against or even watch since the game just became spam wars 2, spam pets, spam AoE and gg

My team seem’s to do fine, we just kill the protection spirit and get one of our team mate’s to almost one shot him while other 2 finish him off.

I’d be happy to put you in touch with this guy lol…..

he sounds like a kitten , would love to meet him! he’s prob the biggest noob tho

You and him would get along well, he also from Google lol.

Derps.7421:

Sol.4310:

google.3709:

Wombat.3510:

Before we continue this thread, lets correct some common misconceptions:

Nobody is going to roll a spirit ranger and mop the floor with anyone more experienced than them unless they get really lucky. A skilled spirit ranger will do really well against anyone less skilled – as will a skilled player with any class.

Spirit rangers are completely worthless once their spirits are killed. Compared to every other class, they have no defense, no damage, no stun break, and little condition removal. The key is killing the spirits and not just rushing in on top of the ranger and spamming everything at once. I know people like to play that way, but it simply won’t work against anyone with any skill.

Who really cares if a class is easy to play anyway. That just makes it easier to attract more new players and gives less skilled players a little better chance to survive past 5 seconds. I’m starting to get the impression that most people in this game don’t have fun unless they can spec glass cannon, spam all their abilities and drop people in 5 seconds. Now that would really would be a messed up meta!

• but it is possible for a meh spirit rangers to be decent+ players on different professions after playing the build for 20 mins

• Yes you can kill them, but on team figts on node, your entire team will be hurting after spirits proc twice and they happen to get off guard, and then the ranger can just kite around on their 3k armor and perma protection and wait a few seconds until spirit are back up since they start recharge the moment they are casted…

• if you’re 1v1ing, unless you have strong AoE and decent heals, you will have taken a little too much damage, and used up alot of cool downs, before you’re ready to attempt to take the bunker down….

AND THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING DUE TO THE META…js

1. lots of good/top players/teams are taking “breaks” due to the brainless condi/pet spam/meta
2. The remaining players are stomping and face crushing any new comers on tPvP since no one really teamQ’s anymore, so its soooooooooo commmmoooon for a decent team to get match up with people who just started pvp’ing, and then those people get stepped on and dont come back to PvP

there is no problem with easy face roll builds, the problem is that thisbuild is poison and is quickly killing the game by promoting brainless play and forcing players to just spam AoE in order to deal with all the pets being thrown around… its not enjoy able to play, to play against or even watch since the game just became spam wars 2, spam pets, spam AoE and gg

My team seem’s to do fine, we just kill the protection spirit and get one of our team mate’s to almost one shot him while other 2 finish him off.

I’d be happy to put you in touch with this guy lol…..

You say your team does fine but its taking 3 of you to kill one spirit ranger?

Maybe I should of added “Team Fight”. Figured I didn’t need to dumb things down that much.

google.3709:

Wombat.3510:

Before we continue this thread, lets correct some common misconceptions:

Nobody is going to roll a spirit ranger and mop the floor with anyone more experienced than them unless they get really lucky. A skilled spirit ranger will do really well against anyone less skilled – as will a skilled player with any class.

Spirit rangers are completely worthless once their spirits are killed. Compared to every other class, they have no defense, no damage, no stun break, and little condition removal. The key is killing the spirits and not just rushing in on top of the ranger and spamming everything at once. I know people like to play that way, but it simply won’t work against anyone with any skill.

Who really cares if a class is easy to play anyway. That just makes it easier to attract more new players and gives less skilled players a little better chance to survive past 5 seconds. I’m starting to get the impression that most people in this game don’t have fun unless they can spec glass cannon, spam all their abilities and drop people in 5 seconds. Now that would really would be a messed up meta!

• but it is possible for a meh spirit rangers to be decent+ players on different professions after playing the build for 20 mins

• Yes you can kill them, but on team figts on node, your entire team will be hurting after spirits proc twice and they happen to get off guard, and then the ranger can just kite around on their 3k armor and perma protection and wait a few seconds until spirit are back up since they start recharge the moment they are casted…

• if you’re 1v1ing, unless you have strong AoE and decent heals, you will have taken a little too much damage, and used up alot of cool downs, before you’re ready to attempt to take the bunker down….

AND THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING DUE TO THE META…js

1. lots of good/top players/teams are taking “breaks” due to the brainless condi/pet spam/meta
2. The remaining players are stomping and face crushing any new comers on tPvP since no one really teamQ’s anymore, so its soooooooooo commmmoooon for a decent team to get match up with people who just started pvp’ing, and then those people get stepped on and dont come back to PvP

there is no problem with easy face roll builds, the problem is that thisbuild is poison and is quickly killing the game by promoting brainless play and forcing players to just spam AoE in order to deal with all the pets being thrown around… its not enjoy able to play, to play against or even watch since the game just became spam wars 2, spam pets, spam AoE and gg

My team seem’s to do fine, we just kill the protection spirit and get one of our team mate’s to almost one shot him while other 2 finish him off.

I’d be happy to put you in touch with this guy lol…..

Derps.7421:

But teams won’t send a warrior home point because their are better options. This apparently “God Mode” insane op wqrrqir build can be easily stopped.
1. Dodge.
2. Predict for christs sake you know what he is going to try to do it is your own kitten fault if you get caught with the stun.

Although i will say that healing signet combined with cleansing ire is pretty ridiculous. Use poison to counter the sig but it will just get cleansed right off.

Warrior/Engineer can counter Spirit Ranger.

Warrior can counter Engineer/Spirit Ranger.

BM Ranger can counter Warrior/Engi.

I’ve spent countless hour’s trying to find that OP backpoint build, but you just can’t, there are to many ways to counter play. There is currently 2 warrior builds that go head to head with Spirit Ranger and this is at top tier level.

E.g. take Engineer with the correct build you can push a Spirit Ranger off the point cap it and kill him all at same time, but the problem with this build is it has much harder time vs warrior’s due to lack of protection/toughness.

E.g. you take a solid Beastmaster build up against this Engineer build and the chance of beating the Engineer goes up.

E.g. same again take solid Beastmaster build up against the current 2 warrior builds I’ve seen beating Spirit Ranger’s and the tables turn in the favor of the ranger.

The only useful place for Spirit Ranger is in the team fight’s. So doesn’t that mean your better off finding way’s to add counter play to his Spirit’s there rather easy to kill. You could complain there just to many target’s but sad part is it’s apart of the game. Move on and learn how to counter.

E.g. someone on your team could reroll Alt setup for murdering Spirit Ranger’s in team fight’s it’s not that hard.

I’d like to say more but you gotta learn on your own. Like I’m not trying to have go at you, just my team found ways to counter the current meta rather hard and we finding teams who faced us using this condition meta have changed there comps completely knowing it doesn’t work anymore running the stupid Necro/Spirit Ranger crap.

Check this out for some ranger game play.

Now picture GW2 with this type of game play….

You should be awarded a GOLD STAR for best music mix I’ve seen on video so far.

Also nice game play, them rune’s are bit over the top it will take Anet few months to nerf them.

Nice video, been following your videos for while now. Like the music as always.

This is what they call GvG, biggest part to there tactics is after the GvG watching the video playing Spot the SKILL.

If anyone can find it please let me know. Between the running in zerg ball spamming I was major confused on when the skill comes into the fight.

LilMcGinley.3890:

CrassBippy.4619:

I love reading the gvg = skill stuff. Watch videos, people macro #1 spam and just mash all their dmg or heals. Any more then 8v8 and its beyond messy

My only question: what horrible GvG videos have you been watching?

They just need to give you guys 20 v 20 options in Custom Arena, so we don’t ever have to hear this GvG garbage in SPvP again.

I’ve watched many video’s of WvW guild’s and I was mind blown that you guy’s called it skill all you do is PRESS 11111111111 and move in a ball over the top of the other ball. How the hell is that skill.

When is the next Major Balance patch, anyone know.

Hawatak.8049:

Do not compare Dota2 with GuildWars 2 :p. One game is still in alpha tests.

Dota 2 isn’t in alpha test anymore, you should see how bad the match making is there now with massive flood of newbie’s joining, you get team’s where players don’t even know what there doing.

Try running, Carrion with AR on your Engi, take bomb/nade/r and you shouldn’t lose to a Spirit Ranger, we lack the burst damage to take you down we will end up losing the fight.

When my team does it’s rotation, we always send our back point engi to go 1v1 the Spirit Ranger knowing he will win the fight. Almost 100% we can count on him winning if he doesn’t win he will decap the point and it will take age’s for the Ranger to kill him and recap making him effective at his job. It’s almost same with our warrior it’s little harder sometime depending on the skill level of the ranger.

These FOTM spirit ranger’s who spam are one’s that get destroyed it’s the ranger who don’t spam and time all there skills that you have to watch out for they will dodge your main attack’s as they don’t spam there dodge they will wait for you to dodge and hit you with there condition combo chain’s between your dodge spam’s. Most player’s will dodge at random but vs a ranger you need to watch for 1.5 long cast on the spirit’s which is simple. The Axe/Dagger combo is what I use and I have to get in there face to land a good condition chain or everything is wasted as it will be out of range or they dodge my #2. So really only main condition we should be landing is burning off our attack’s which will proc every 10-15 seconds.

Now your worried about the burning, just kill Sun Spirit, they recast it kill it again. It’s not that hard.

If you fighting a Spirit Ranger 1v1 fight him on the point as engi, you should be able to waste him rather easy. Don’t worry if you get hit with the Storm Spirit, cause once you reach AR with 6k HP that Spirit Ranger won’t kill you unless your stupid and don’t watch there Storm Spirit and River Drake, them 2 are basically only 2 skills that will kill you.

Stealth.9324:

Sol.4310:

What are you going to do when you still see Spirit Ranger’s, you honestly think Anet will destroy ranger’s only viable TPvP build, as if they already stated they don’t like to nerf they will just add in more counters to the build.

OH WAIT there already are…. It’s called Warrior/Engi can both hard counter Spirit Ranger’s you kittening brainless noob.

Calling others brainless noob when you yourself abusing such OP, brainless, spamming skill is not something I would expect from a “pro” player such as yourself. Or is it r35 on leaderboard is not your actual skill but other carries you to such high rank? Many rounds of applause to people who hard working carrying you while you are there spamming your skill and think you are doing something for the team. So so disappointed….

Answer this, please tell me why there are 2 classes that are doing well against Spirit Ranger’s.

Also I only help people who ask, you wouldn’t take the help even if it was offered your so deeply invested into hating Spirit Ranger’s you refuse to even try to counter them or even talk about way’s to beat them.

What are you going to do when you still see Spirit Ranger’s, you honestly think Anet will destroy ranger’s only viable TPvP build, as if they already stated they don’t like to nerf they will just add in more counters to the build.

OH WAIT there already are…. It’s called Warrior/Engi can both hard counter Spirit Ranger’s you kittening brainless noob.

Derps.7421:

Sol.4310:

kitten s.7421:

Please spirit ranger is easy to play and it is over powered.
1. 70% when hit to gain protection
2. 70% when attacking to cause burning the hardest hitting condi (next to high confusion stacks)
3. Spirits can body block attacks and they constantly move around you
4. Spirits activate abilities one causes a PERMA BLIND one does a 4k nuke, one causes an immobilize then a cripple area and the frost one creates a chill area.
5.The Spirit elite ability
6. The rangers weapon sets. With sword and dagger you have 3 evading abilities plus your 2 dodges.
Spirit ranger is OP the reason you are destroying everyone is because the build is carrying you. I am sure you are all skilled players but just accept the fact that the build is over powered.

It does 4k damage to GC, other targets no chance, also its 1.5 cast time.

I’ve also made a post talking about Spirit rework’s only OP thing atm about Spirit’s are the up time of spirit’s and the elite. There effect’s aren’t that OP. It’s less up time on burning then the Engi traited.

Also allot of Spirit ranger’s do not run the sword/dagger combo. Seem’s to be EU thing but most of NA ranger’s don’t run it unless they copy’ed that video with carrion amulet build which allot spirit ranger’s don’t run. So don’t even try to class us all together when there so many different versions of Spirit build people play.

You guys complain allot about spirit ranger, but why are there so many people out there NOW countering the spirit ranger so hard. Like explain that.

Also almost all current meta builds are just as easy to play as each other. We use more skills on ranger then other classes. Our tank comes from dodge unlike other classes they have access to perma vigor up keep and have just as much dodge as us while having other skills like “blinds” KD/KB/Stun’s to act as there dodge.

Allot of you just refuse to understand the game better, allot of you that complain have barely even played ranger. So QQ some more.

I have over 500 games on a ranger.
A LOT of spirit rangers run sword dagger.
List me some builds that hard counter spirit rangers and i mean HARD COUNTER as in you will never win.
That is completely bs rangers do not use more skills as the other classes.
Rangers are already quite a tanky class plus they have very good regen plus they have a lot of dodge.
People complain about high dodge thieves.
The issue here is your ego.

Take good long read of your guy’s history of you and Stealth. Nothing anyone say’s will effect you guys in anyway what so ever. Your the QQ master’s.

Derps.7421:

Please spirit ranger is easy to play and it is over powered.
1. 70% when hit to gain protection
2. 70% when attacking to cause burning the hardest hitting condi (next to high confusion stacks)
3. Spirits can body block attacks and they constantly move around you
4. Spirits activate abilities one causes a PERMA BLIND one does a 4k nuke, one causes an immobilize then a cripple area and the frost one creates a chill area.
5.The Spirit elite ability
6. The rangers weapon sets. With sword and dagger you have 3 evading abilities plus your 2 dodges.
Spirit ranger is OP the reason you are destroying everyone is because the build is carrying you. I am sure you are all skilled players but just accept the fact that the build is over powered.

It does 4k damage to GC, other targets no chance, also its 1.5 cast time.

I’ve also made a post talking about Spirit rework’s only OP thing atm about Spirit’s are the up time of spirit’s and the elite. There effect’s aren’t that OP. It’s less up time on burning then the Engi traited.

Also allot of Spirit ranger’s do not run the sword/dagger combo. Seem’s to be EU thing but most of NA ranger’s don’t run it unless they copy’ed that video with carrion amulet build which allot spirit ranger’s don’t run. So don’t even try to class us all together when there so many different versions of Spirit build people play.

You guys complain allot about spirit ranger, but why are there so many people out there NOW countering the spirit ranger so hard. Like explain that.

Also almost all current meta builds are just as easy to play as each other. We use more skills on ranger then other classes. Our tank comes from dodge unlike other classes they have access to perma vigor up keep and have just as much dodge as us while having other skills like “blinds” KD/KB/Stun’s to act as there dodge.

Allot of you just refuse to understand the game better, allot of you that complain have barely even played ranger. So QQ some more.

Stealth.9324:

Ha ha, if I sad yes, you would said l2p..If I said no, you would say then Spirit Ranger is not OP. My best shot is to remain silent. I leave the answer to whatever you think.

Well, you can’t stop a hater from being a hater, there will always been players like you just some like you post in ever single thread complaining.

Should start thread called Stealth’s QQ thread, with your 600+ tourney game xp.

Stealth.9324:

The only so class I feel OP right now is Necro and Spirit Ranger. If you can find me QQ on anything on Thief, Guardian,Mesmer,Eles, Engineer, then let me know…. But nvm, since you say that, I already know you decide to put your head in sand.

Funny how you complain about Necro’s/Ranger’s when a good Engi can beat both classes and offer just as much to it’s team and you play Engi. AR…AR…AR…AR…AR

Stealth.9324:

Ryan.9387:

If you really think spirit Ranger is low skill then make one yourself and duel me.

Of course if you don’t like that idea, I encourage you to find a single spirit ranger in this game who can beat me in a duel reliably. If it is a low skill class then certainly you can find some other person who is capable of out preforming another ranger. Unless of course there is actually some depth and skill that differentiates players that you can’t put your finger on because you have absolutely no experience playing the class you comment on at a high level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1ZFP_GC9U

Watch this video please…Unless you considered spam clicking mouse is Skill…

A Vet Ranger will always beat A Casual Ranger.
A Vet Ranger will always beat A Vet of any other class.
A casual Ranger can do very decent against other players same skill level.
A casual Ranger will always beat a casual player of any other class.

While other class have to try 10x effort to be effective. Spirit Ranger need very little skill involved to be effective. I never said none, it is very little. In fact, I could say it has the lowest skill floor of all right now.

I was right all you do is find threads to QQ on. Wonder what class you will QQ about next.

I’ll watch your stream, let them QQ Spirit ranger take’s as much skill as almost ever single class playing in the meta atm.

They sad part is thief’s use less skill then a spirit ranger and have more evade but have less QQ.

Any chance you guy’s can add an option for team’s to submit there own logo over the current guild emblem templates.

Would be rather cool if you could see your team’s logo/banner in Team Arena’s. Kinda like what Dota 2 does in there tournaments.

Just an idea.

Hi, I was wondering if Anet or if it’s even possible to merge the que’s so we can face teams from different regions? EU able or NA to que against each other in Team Arena.

Wouldn’t be bad idea if we could. Would really improve the health of the PvP.

Most of people complaining on here are same people who complain on ever single thread, rather a joke.

Once they nerf down necro’s/ranger, you guys will find something new to complain about and I can bet it’s the same players as always.

Love it how it’s always the player’s who don’t play ranger or have seen someone say this or that and just go with the QQ flow.

Go make ranger and post a video.

Stealth.9324:

Like I said before, the video clearly is a very hard solid proof to show that Spirit Ranger is VERY easy to play despite with that many newbie plays presented. I am so amazed at the capability of a Spirit Ranger. In a new hand, it is already decent. In a professional hand, it will be an atomic bomb.

The more you play, the more skill you improve in gameplay, the less mistake you make,the more awareness of the situation you have. Yes, the build carries through different skill level. I would love to see that kind of gameplay on any other class, save Power Well Necro and Spirit Ranger, to be anywhere near that destruction. Though, Power Well Necro do try a bit harder, it is still cheesy compare to other build.

If you read my post carefully, you will see I assume everyone at the same skill level, meaning it also cover mouse-clicking scenario as well, while other is struggled with killing, he does his jobs with no sweat..

What a load of crap. That video show’s nothing at all. Most of fight was him in team fight while he team mates did the killing. Like I said post a real video of Spirit Ranger then come to forums explaining how every single class is just as easy as each other to play.

Give the guy a break, not his fault the people he are facing are beyond help.

1+ for clicking.
1+ for using a Moa. Never seen anyone use one before.

When you find a real video of Spirit Ranger game-play post that, then you can say how easy Spirit Ranger is.

Leuca.5732:

What the OP is saying (that I apparently understood better than a lot of people) goes something like this:

1. Ranger enters a skirmish with an opponent and uses f1 to make the pet attack before taking any other actions.

2. Ranger gives no orders that would make the pet change its target throughout the fight.

3. The ranger successfully drives off their attacker, who stealths at low health and goes to hide behind a wall. The opponent is NOT visible, but happens to be just inside the pet’s leash range.

4. The opponent is downed while in stealth due to some ticking effect (conditions, etc)

5. Opponent unstealths behind aforementioned wall. Since no conditions are still ticking after being downed, there is no visual indicator to the ranger that he/she is even there, yet the pet still tracks and follows when the Ranger has absolutely no other clues as to their opponent’s whereabouts.

This has nothing to do with pets’ otherwise bad AI; the OP is pointing out a specific function that would single-handedly make the Ranger OP if in theory all the professions were otherwise perfectly balanced.

You really need to watch the discovery channel more, animals use there nose to smell. So doesn’t that mean this “thief” never shower’s. Tbh it’s his own fault, shower at least once a day and your chances will become better.

Authority.6145:

The truth is that Spirit Ranger is disgustingly for handicaps. I have never played or seen a class where its play is so disturbingly passive. But that is not the point of this thread.

Please explain in detail vs other skill’s on other classes.

You seem to like saying “stuff” with no fact or anything.

I say they just add counter to condition’s as a hole and then you will see a change in the meta.

You put Engi/Necro/Ranger together and its OP.

They need to stop nerfing build’s and adding a hard counter to condition damage, like Protection does for Burst comps.

Add a counter and condition meta starts to balance out.