Guild Wars 2

cymerdown.4103:

Sol.4310:

Smarter update for Ranger’s, the problem isn’t the icd on the passive proc’s just go test spirit ranger and you will see what I mean it doesn’t always proc every 10 seconds, only in a perfect world it does. Most of the time it takes 15-20 seconds to proc the effect.

Ranger
- Elite: Spirit of Nature: Summon a spirit that gives nearby allies a 35% chance to gain regeneration on hit. Command the spirit to revive and cure conditions on nearby allies.
Regeneration: 10 seconds.
Duration: 60 seconds.

- Storm Spirit: Active skill, Call Lightning reduced to 2000 base damage.

They nerf Spirit Elite so doesn’t carry these ranger’s who only started playing the class when Spirit’s came out.

Also Storm Spirit is hole reason some builds (Ele) can’t fight a Spirit ranger.

Maybe, I do agree that Storm Spirit does more damage than it should. Though, the amount of protection and burning procs are sort of an unseen menance in teamfights: hard to calculate the effect but when you don’t have a Spirit Ranger you notice a sizable difference in team sustain. The effects have a 70% chance of proccing traited, so like 2 hits, or about a second or two on average. Turning the healing into a regen proc is an interesting idea, I hadn’t thought of that. The elite is quite a lot of healing as it stands right now, so that could be better. Doesn’t work well with other regen sources, though, so that’d be a pretty big nerf in some cases. Not sure if that heavy of a nerf is warranted, but maybe it is.

Well I don’t see a point to adding 2 seconds to the icd, just seems like you are trying to find blanket cover when your looking at it all wrong when the icd isn’t the problem at all. There is a core problem to the build and trust me when I say it’s the Spirit of Nature and Storm Spirit.

Why Spirit of Nature healing is to strong. Healing Signet + Spirit of Nature + Regeneration + Guardian Support. Not one drop of Active game play from the warrior, now you add 320 Healing per-second + regeneration that is over 500 a second healing team wide. Now add in support a guardian already give’s + protection + dodge + blind + cc + any other types of control effect’s. Now that is for team fight only, also in 1v1 Spirit of Nature carries bad ranger’s and they win most of there fights due to the Spirit Elite not skill or well timed dodges.

Also Call the Lightning, here is good E.g. which happens allot to BAD ranger’s who think they are good. They run in Cast there Call the Lightning in there 1v1 then they cast it again over that 20seconds there waiting for the cd to come off the Spirit takes X amount of damage they get the 2nd Call the lightning off so within 20 seconds they done 6k damage right, now spirit dies 9k damage. What if it crit’s thats 5k damage. ITS ON A GOD DARN BUNKER BUILD….. So the Spirit Ranger just done 9k worth of damage ruffly in 25 seconds, now he can keep repeating it over and over.

Now think of it like this, Say you land your Call the Lightning in your 1v1 and you land the 2nd one and very soon after that the Spirit dies, now add in your pet’s damage and his F2 + the burning proc’s which also can come from Spirit’s Active skills and the pet + you. You can effectively beat someone using Storm Spirit – Spirit of Nature + Pet and not even use any other skills.

Nerf the Elite and Storm. I’ve been playing Spirit Ranger for so long now and I know why the build is so strong in many cases. But there is also 2 hard counter’s Engineer’s and Warrior’s.

Sorry if this seems like a one hell of a Rant but i hate Spirit Ranger so much. Nerf it so us real ranger’s can go back to playing our class and all the FOTM ranger’s who get carried and call it skill and go away and suck again.

Smarter update for Ranger’s, the problem isn’t the icd on the passive proc’s just go test spirit ranger and you will see what I mean it doesn’t always proc every 10 seconds, only in a perfect world it does. Most of the time it takes 15-20 seconds to proc the effect.

Ranger
- Elite: Spirit of Nature: Summon a spirit that gives nearby allies a 35% chance to gain regeneration on hit. Command the spirit to revive and cure conditions on nearby allies.
Regeneration: 10 seconds.
Duration: 60 seconds.

- Storm Spirit: Active skill, Call Lightning reduced to 2000 base damage.

They nerf Spirit Elite so doesn’t carry these ranger’s who only started playing the class when Spirit’s came out.

Also Storm Spirit is hole reason some builds (Ele) can’t fight a Spirit ranger.

Just give Warrior’s stealth and a Staff. GG no need for balance anymore just remove every other class from the game.

Master Class Warrior.

I have to agree with JROH.

A bunker build doing insane damage. Lucky that Spirit very rarely Crit’s or there be uproar on the forums already. It’s same boat as Warrior’s, big kitten tank with heaps of gank.

But in saying that look at thief’s look at mesmers. 2 classes that can go full GC and still tank well due to stealth and there escape.

Diehard.1432:

Sol.4310:

There are several classes in the game
JQ has a class of it’s own.
Perplexity.

They say some builds have low skill cap.
JQ doesn’t even have skill.
Perplexity.

Anet have talked about Renaming JQ.
PJQLSC Perplexity Jade Quarry Low Skill Cap.
Perplexity.

Like come on JQ have some class.
Perplexity won’t carry your server forever.
Perplexity.

Wanna duel for fun now? I dont use perplexity

Sure as long as your not a mesmer. PM me ingam
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There are several classes in the game
JQ has a class of it’s own.
Perplexity.

They say some builds have low skill cap.
JQ doesn’t even have skill.
Perplexity.

Anet have talked about Renaming JQ.
PJQLSC Perplexity Jade Quarry Low Skill Cap.
Perplexity.

Like come on JQ have some class.
Perplexity won’t carry your server forever.
Perplexity.

I understand there will be people who disagree, there is reason behind all the idea’s I posted. Now none of them will ever see the light of day.

But before you knock something first take look at all skill changes and what current trait’s we have and design a build. You will then see what I’m aiming for.

Only thing I can see being a problem Eura is you can’t pick when you want to remove your conditions, it’s all chance based apart from the pet swap.

If we had better condition remove we would have better builds.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Ashanor.5319:

Spirit Ranger takes more skill than warrior? Ha!

Only slightly. Spirit ranger has slightly lower apm than a standard hambow warrior (lol) but is also less forgiving (no stunbreaks or much active condi cleanse). It also depends on the matchup—for example, very few people are running warrior-killing mesmer specs for some reason, but warriors hard-counter spirit rangers. So in general, spirit rangers face more difficult fights with fewer mistakes allowed, but still have a very low apm and very few decisions to make other than positioning.

I put both specs somewhere around Animal Crossing in terms of difficulty to play.

What’s funny is none of you play Spirit Ranger.

Hi, after the past year of playing Ranger mainly in PvP I’ve started to figure out where we lack. Now all the changes I’ve made in this balance is based on builds. By adding the smallest change can unlock massive amount of viable builds for the ranger. I know myself I’m sick of being limited to selected few Viable builds while playing PvP.

Here is detailed list of balance change’s I would make.

Elite

Spirit of Nature: Summon a spirit that gives nearby allies a 35% chance to gain regeneration on hit. Command the spirit to revive and cure conditions on nearby allies.
Regeneration: 6 seconds.
Duration: 60 seconds.

Healing

Heal as One: Heals yourself and your pet and removes 2 conditions.
Healing 6200.
Removes 2 conditions when active.

Utilities

Trap

- Base damage of all traps increased by 200.
- Frost Trap: Pulse damage, cooldown reduced to 25 seconds.

Signet

- Signet of the Renewal: Cooldown reduced to 50 seconds.

Shout

- Protect Me: Instead of attacking, your pet will protect you by absorbing all damage you would take for 6 seconds and pull all conditions from you and nearby allies.
- Search and Rescue: Your pet will seek out and revive a downed ally nearby while taking 20% less damage.
- Guard: Cooldown increased to 20 seconds.

Spirit

- Storm Spirit: Active skill, Call Lightning reduced to 2500 base damage.

Survival

- No Changes.

Trait Lines

Marksmanship

- Remorseless: Regain Opening Strike and remove Bleed, Poison & Burning whenever you kill or gain stealth.

Skirmishing

- Martial Mastery: Moved from Wilderness Survival.
- Bark Skin: Moved from Wilderness Survival. Bark Skin You and your pet take 30% less damage and deal 30% more damage when under 25% health.

Wilderness Survival

- Trapper’s Expertise: Moved from Skirmishing.
- Trap Potency: Moved from Skirmishing.

Nature Magic

- Nature’s Voice: Shouts heals 1000 scales with healing power and applies regeneration (10 seconds) and swiftness (10 seconds) to allies within a 360 radius.

Beastmastery

- Instinctual Bond: When you reach 10% Health Threshold, your pet gains quickness for 5 seconds. 50 second cooldown.

Weapons

Greatsword
– Maul: Range increased to 300.
– Hilt Bash: Base damage increased by 400.

Longbow
– Base damage increased by 200 on all attacks.
– Rapid Fire: Cast speed increased to 3 1/2 seconds.

Axe (Off-Hand)
– Whirling Defense: You can now move while skill is active.

Sword
– Serpent’s Strike: Cast time reduced to 1/2 second.

Warhorn
– Hunter’s Call: Call hawks to swarm your foe and apply’s Blindness for 5 second.

jmatb.6307:

AI builds take skill?

Do tell!

Tell you what I’ll play none spirit build vs your spirit build, and you can show me how it takes no skill.

Face fact’s only reason Spirit’s hated so much, screen is a cluster kitten of AoE Effect’s, and I’m going to agree how the hell can you see anything.

tichorum.2415:

Sol.4310:

when did warriors start using trait points.

When spirit rangers were able to use their spirits whenever they wanted to and still win 1v1s.

Yeah well Spirit Ranger requires more skill then a Warrior atleast. I still find it funny people are losing 1v1 to a Spirit Ranger. If I can beat them using a trap build anyone should be able to beat them. Maybe try not face tanking the Spirit’s. lol

It’s the same in WvW just they can’t message you, in SPvP they can.

So don’t take it to heart, I’ve been called a nub heaps in Solo Que. Your block list grows fast, but you will get to point where in Solo Que you won’t see it as much, you find better players tend to respect each other. I’ve found its the bad players who trash talk the most.

So if you lose a 1v1 or win and get call nub and everything else under the sun, there just kitten so I wouldn’t worry.

Funny how, when you watch most Spirit Ranger’s they have almost all there skills on CD along with pet control.

Yeah lol 1111111111 cry some more.

It’s like you want our auto-attack to be some kick kitten dance move.

Serdoc.7261:

Spirit Rangers are boring to play, obnoxious to play against, and make viewing PvP matches a ‘petting zoo’ disaster.

I purpose that spirits get significantly nerfed (especially spirit of nature), and signets/survival utilities get buffs. This will hopefully wipe out spirit rangers in PvP, and give the Ranger more viable builds + encourage play that requires a bit more skill.

*The nerfs:
– Reduce spirit health by 60% (back to the value it was before April 2013 patch).
– Increase spirit cooldowns from 25s to 35s, for spirit of nature 180s to 220s.

*The buffs:
– Signet of Renewal: Reduce cooldown to 50 sec.
– Signet of Stone: Reduce cooldown to 60 sec.
– Signet of the Wild: Remove cast time so the signet benefit is instant, and fix the bug with the skill that prevents characters from interacting with objects, reviving, or finishing opponents.
– Lightning Reflexes: Reduce Vigor gain to 5 seconds, and add 5 seconds of Stability.
– Quickening Zephyr: Reduce cooldown to 50 sec.
– Sharpening Stone: Change from 6 sec bleed to 4 sec bleed + 2 sec weakness.

Thoughts?

What build do you think that would make, honestly terrible idea’s.

Just reduce there casting “EFFECT”. Spirit’s are no way near overpowered so not sure what your thinking.

when did warriors start using trait points.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Again Sol, PvP does not equal WvW nor PvE. The current traitlines work in both of those fields. I don’t know whether or not you play WvW or even touch PvE, but those are the fields I want us to work well in, especially since it’s what most of the playerbase touches. I don’t want to say “tough luck” to the PvP players, but I don’t think we can ever really call PvP balanced until there is more than just Capture mode, since for Capture mode it’s impossible for most builds to be declared useful in just that mode.

Do I need to link a years worth of WvW roaming videos? I used to be known as Karlesi a WvW Roamer who never did SPvP at all all my videos I posted for WvW are mainly Trapper builds none which are Beastmaster maybe a few odd ones here and there. Then I got bored with how underpowered our WvW builds are compared to everyone so I went to SPvP to master that, I now go by the name Sazio Sol cause I liked the name and Karlesi didn’t match the sex change I got my Ranger. I understand trapper very well due to fact I almost played every version of trap in WvW to point of no return.

I do fair amount of PvE, I can make 4 ascended weapons right now for my guardian. And don’t talk about SPvP do, you even SPvP at all I’m talking Team Que? where the balance mainly comes from Solo Que is a mess.

Sorry if I’m coming across as rather rude, just I’m so sick of the state the ranger is in. I’ve spent allot of time playing this class and just drives me nuts when you can see the problems but they just aren’t getting fixed.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I use Dire equipment on my Ranger, despite being 10/30/30/0/0. I focus on survival and conditions for the main equipment, because that is where my build is based. I have a set of Berserker’s as my accessories, amulet, rings, and whatnot, because I do not go full out into one build, I also boost the parts where my traits do not boost (save for healing power, which I find useless in general, sadly). I do this so my build isn’t pigeon-holed into just conditions or bust, it can kill things you cannot use conditions against well.

Also, I could list a bunch of different builds easily made with my suggestion, but it wouldn’t mean you’d take it into consideration. I think at this point we can agree to disagree.

By using your idea you are pigeon-holed, bunch of bad builds yes none which will ever be viable, your missing the hole point of why.

Your so focused on keeping your bad Trait Bark Skin, that you refuse to let go of something that is not viable at all.

Did you know the current way trap ranger is forced to setup isn’t viable, its a alright build, a good player vs a good player you will lose.

You want to know why Trap ranger is in the state it is now, nothing has been nerft with the build at all, reason being other classes got bug fixes and buffs which completely counter our trap ranger.

You can’t block traps but you can dodge roll over them making them void, every single good player does it, if you bring the current trap ranger to team fight your putting your team at all loss. Your CC is to little to be effect, I used to play trap ranger like a boss now I don’t cause I was sick of being hard countered by almost every single build in the game.

One of the biggest problem’s I had was my pet’s I was forced to take tanky pet’s with CC, which isn’t a bad idea but they lacked damage, now every single class has decent condition remove and knows to dodge traps where is the damage coming from?

I just want more options, I’m sick of being limited to very small amount of viable builds and traps isn’t viable. Fighting zergs in WvW traps are not your best option, LB/GS is so you have escape + large amount of deeps. Roaming traps is once again at the bottom of our viable builds, you get clipped by one player and your good as dead.

I would love to see you beat a warrior or even mesmer using traps a decent one, you can’t unless there uttly stupid.

So please don’t say agree to disagree when that is out of the question, you need to understand before you can disagree.

0/0/30/30/10. Spike Trap/Storm Spirit/Sic’em – You would take Axe/Axe – Sword/Torch combo and pull your target into your Spike trap then Storm spirit them followed with pet burst, while you combo chain your weapon sets.

Man I could keep going with how many different builds it would open up and how effective they would be.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Eurantien.4632:

The only thing that hurts the current trap spec is losing 20 points in skirmishing line. You will still have a very high crit chance so you will get criticals to proc sharpened edges and sigil of earth and since those both have an internal cooldown you are being inefficient with the extra precision making my suggested change a buff. You say that getting the extra 20 points to move around isn’t worth it but it is because pet does more DPS, you survive longer, and you kill things faster which all seems like buffs to the current trap spec (especially since you aren’t losing much DPS because of Internal cooldowns on sigil of earth and sharpened edges). If you think that extra precision helps you can STILL trait into that line…. So again, buffs all around. Buffs to PvE (increased damage and/or survivability), WvW for same reasons, and PvP for same reasons.

So where are these nerfs? I’m still not seeing them.

If you’re not seeing them, then you really don’t understand Trap rangers as well as you THINK you do. It’s the closest build we have to perfect, and you want to mess with how it works. I know it sounds like I’m overreacting, but here’s the thing, the suggestions may sound good on paper, but they could open up a whole new amount of problems for the Ranger class.

The only real suggestions I could make to help with Trap build would be merging the trap traits into the 20 point trait. That would give us 10 more points to work with, and would adjust it so instead of just 10/30/30/0/0 or 0/30/30/10/0 or any other variation of that, it could adjust it so we could have 20/20/30/0/0, 10/20/30/10/0, etc. Basically it adjusts it so we have 10 more points to spend on something else. I think that would help more than anything.

Open your eye’s, the current problem is you need to invest into a trait line that give’s you Precision, now this where problem starts. Your going to put your build at disadvantage by not using Rabid, also the base damage of traps scale on Power. So by moving the trait line you have the options to invest into every trait line, even with your idea its still the same, you have to no matters what invest 0/20/30/0/0 leaves you with 20 points.

By moving the traits you only need to invest 30 points, so then its 0/0/30/0/0. Now look at the options it opens for you. You can invest in any Trait line depending on what style of build you want to run. You can finally make a different build for every single trait line.

E.g. you could go 0/0/30/30/10, you could take traps with Regen/Swiftness Support so you would take 2x trap with 1 shout. Do you know see how majorly the change will effect the class.

30/0/30/10/0. Axe/Dagger – Sword/Torch, the hole build would be based around base damage and duration making it one hell of trap build.

0/0/30/10/30. Beastmaster/trap build. Now this would be a deadly build for SPvP/PvE/WvW. You can take 2x trap and Signet of the Wild. With E.g. 2x burst pet’s so now you can really be effective.

0/30/30/10/0. Same old trap build but now you can setup your shortbow to be more effective.

10/0/30/30/0 Hybrid Spirit/Trap build. You could take 2 Traps 1 Spirit with Spirit Elite. So now you offer team support + crow control.

The options are far out way the cons. Hopefully you now see why moving the trait line is so vital.

hooma.9642:

Darkdanjal.3401:

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@Hooma: you keep on saying that every person out here is either arrogant to the devs or an rude person yet you have absolutely no clue have much effort these guys did before. They have talked to the devs, they have given time to the devs and yet they are claiming that all these players dont want to talk anymore, so they put effort in other resources like streams or youtube channels, yet you are claiming dont want to talk….
you should wake up for a change…you said it yourself you never even watched a post from helseth for example, and yeah he might be ranting a lot but instead of following the devs you should begin by following some of these players there stream, Helseth might be ranting but he does a great job in explaining what he does while he is playing solo queue

Also to close up sensotix interviewed top players, one of them was ashzene, even ashzene is saying in that vid that helseth did a great job in his rants what was wrong atm in the meta.

These players know what they are saying yet you are the one ranting that those players dont want to listen and dont want to talk, they did….and on more then one of an occasion. they wouldnt take the effort to talk about GW2 if they didnt care but even those players have their limits you know…

im sure anet devs know whats wrong with the game without ranting “top” players telling it on streams. balance is a other discussion.

im also sure that it doesnt help to be rude against the devs. how many work on pvp or not is something that the management decides not the devs, so blaming them is just wrong. how about a petition to the management instead? why no top player use its influence and start something like that? no they just repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat..

i dont know if some of u hasnt programmed or worked on a greater projekt. but a lot of u guys dont seem to understand how hard it is and how much work is needed to change a certain design to another. blaming devs for the actual design is also bad. the ones u can blame are the designer. or the manager who signed that design for implementation.

and btw i claim nothing. i only believe that allie isnt lying if she says they invite players to chat via ventrilo but a lot hasnt appeared. on the other hand if i would be a dev, why should i talk to a person like helseth who, has yelled his balanceopinions via stream? i dont see any reason to ask further on that part.

Is this like your 100000 post telling players nothing useful and just complaining and talking about stupid right’s when this is a forum for a PvP area of the game?

Honestly I agree with OP the Dev’s need to start listing the well weathered players who understand there class to the core, god knows how many time’s good idea’s have been crushed by newer players or players who aren’t even competing in the current meta.

Question I ask you do you even compete in the current meta? or are you just Solo Que hero, people talk about this is team game which it is then shouldn’t you be in Team Que where the real meta is????

To change the meta right now and make it much better place, I can think of 2 simple changes that would help.

Healing Signet – Scale with healing power so its still viable with bunker builds, active healing like every other class has to. Also by making it scale with healing power, will shift the meta to the point where if your a Bunker your not going to do much DPS not like its right now where you can Bunker and have insane burst

Work on thieves they are the real reason why no power builds can enter the meta anymore, you want Ele’s and Mesmer’s back into the meta, then you need to make so thieves can’t gib them in every team fight so easy.

These are my views coming from someone who does allot of Team Que where balance is allot better then Solo Que.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Oh I can dodge well, you forget we don’t have infinite dodge. You have to choose what you dodge, namely the heavy hitting moves. Everything else WILL connect, and I really shake my head at anybody who realistically believes we can dodge everything.

You also have to remember that this doesn’t fix our main problem…that we have to COMPLETELY trait in a line to get the best results. All you’ve done is changed the traitlines, and nerfed several builds, ACROSS THE kitten BOARD. You haven’t fixed a kitten thing, and only seem to want us to have more useless traits, along with making our lives harder in PvE and WvW. Just stop what you’re doing and stop suggesting things that hurt us more than help us. We’re already bottom of the barrel in PvE, and are hurting badly in WvW. Compared to which we’re just fine in PvP. You’re stabbing somebody to divert pain from a broken ankle.

If you had any idea about how WvW was you understand that Trapper in WvW with these changes would improve us greatly, do you need me to write up all the different builds it would open up to the ranger? Beastmaster/trapper Trapper/Spirits Trapper/Power, just a few we might be able for once to make trapper build with 30 points into our condition duration. Did you even stop to think of how effect the changes would be to so many builds. Not only Trapper builds.

I honestly wish you would stop and think, your acting like I was back 9 month’s ago before I learn’t the trait lines and every single build we have. Down the track I can be my bottom dollar on it your mind will change. Eura idea’s are great and I hope the Dev’s listen to him and change our trait line’s so we have some viable builds rather then sub-par builds.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I’d prefer if the active wiped conditions from you and players nearby, but DIDN’T transfer them to the pet.

Maybe you should try using your pet better rather then being lazy and blaming the pet.

If ranger’s would learn how to use pets better they be so much better rather then free kills.

Word is the Toxin turn’s you into Demon like Beast and the heal removes it, Anet want to make everyone Demons, Word is they are planning on changing GW2 name to DemonWars 2 the Anime and make a new TV show based on what Players are doing.

Voices in my head told me so.

Brew Pinch.5731:

You’re perhaps forgetting the latency issue OP.

Yeah cause they had cause there was latency issue in GW1.

Other games do it fine, so not sure why it should be a problem then.

Well make it Team Que only. Cause frankly I’d rather fight vs other Regions atleast there be more Teams in Team Que and wouldn’t be so small.

Honestly, don’t want to hear anymore about Bark Skin, you clearly don’t have good understanding about PvP as a ranger.

Eura’s idea to move the Trapper trait’s are single handily the best ranger idea to date, why stop and have good look at all the option it would open for ranger’s in terms of build diversity.

Now all they need to do is give us better counter remove outside of Empathic Bond.

Few idea’s to improve power builds.

- Elite: Rampage As One – Cooldown redused to 90 seconds.
- Signets: Signet of Renewal – Cooldown redused to 50 seconds.
- Greatsword: Maul Range incressed to 300.
- Trait Improvement: Beastmaster’s Might, removes 2 conditions and 3 stacks of might while activating.

International Guest Server

- NA, EU and soon Asia server for SPvP only. (Player’s can guest to the server)
- Improves the health of upcoming tournaments.
- Around the cloak TPvP Que’s, helps improve the wait times.
- Helps build a better community by connecting everyone.

These are just some of the outcomes by the introduction of a international server. Now I am aware that it would cost fair amount to get a new server setup, but the reward is far greater.

If you want PvP to grow you need to give us a hub.

Just my 2 cent’s worth I believe this post will be forgotten about within 1 day as it will be crushed by the QQ posts.

Xsorus.2507:

I’m not sure Sharpened Edges and Sigil of Earth even have an ICD Eurantien, I’ve easily hit 15 stacks of bleeds from split blade alone when running the setup.

There is no way you can get 15 stacks of bleed just off Split blade with just Sharpened Edges and the Sigil of Earth the max you can get is 12 and that means every single axe hits and procs the Sharpened Edges 5x, also there has been internal cooldown on Sigil of Earth for very long time its 2 seconds.

RyuDragnier.9476:

The second you mentioned sPvP Sol, I facepalmed hard. Sure, let’s make MORE changes around the least popular part of the game, just like the infamous pet damage nerf, the SB range nerf, the pet leash nerf…need I go on? Why people suggest changes around sPvP to hit THE ENTIRE GAME makes no sense to me, when it’ll only hurt our entire profession worse than it is now.

It’s called skill split which they already do so keep smacking yourself in the face. Your offering no constructive idea’s just whinny posts, so maybe rather then complain there bad idea’s , maybe counter debate?

RyuDragnier.9476:

No to everything. The second you said that traps leave Rangers with no defense, you proved you don’t know what you’re talking about to me. Traps ARE our defense. Spike Trap, Frost Trap, Muddy Terrain (while not a trap, it feels the same as one to me), and Entangle all prevent the enemy from getting to us. The only other defensive ability we have as a Ranger for slot skills is Lightning Reflexes.

Plus getting rid of Bark Skin? Do you know how often that thing saves my life?

I would consider Eura to be one of the best ranger’s in the game, so when Eura says something he knows what he is talking about. Sure I don’t agree with all his idea’s but Bark Skin is a worthless Trait, conditions go right throw it. Maybe in PvE vs a DPS with NO CONDITION DAMGE AT ALL, but in SPvP its worthless and should never be used.

And yes Trapper build can not survive in this meta and will never become a viable build again outside of WvW and PvE. Also vs the current viable ranger builds its at the bottom of the food chain.

Going off your idea Eura.

Move Trap Potency to Wilderness Survival and replace Bark Skin.
Move Trapper’s Expertise to Wilderness Survival and replace Oakheart Salve.

Remove Circle of Life effect and replace with lose a 1 condition every 10 seconds.

Current condition remove Healing Spring – Signet of Renewal – Evasive Purity, by removing Circle of Life effect and adding in the extra condition remove every 10 seconds, opens different versions of the trapper build. You wouldn’t need Empathic Bond.

Removing Circle of Life wouldn’t effect any of our current builds making them overpowered. If anything you will see builds getting around with to much condition remove and lack damage output.

New build options would be along the lines. 20/0/30/20 – 0/30/30/10/0 – 30/0/30/10/0 – 0/0/30/20/20 – 10/0/30/10/20 – 0/0/30/10/30 as you can see the options and versions are far greater then our current options. Meaning we would have the options for what roll your trap ranger will be playing. Mid fight you could take less condition remove and spec into the roll it will be playing, where as if you are homepoint bunker you could invest into more durable tank while keeping your traps.

But it doesn’t stop there, by adding a trait as simple as 1 condition remove every 10 seconds opens new builds not only for trap’s but for new versions of power spec’s beastmaster spec’s.

The new trait would come inline with other classes as well. You want good build diversity we need better condition remove as it plays at the core of all ranger builds. Our tank comes from Condition Remove – Dodge (weapons) – High Toughness – Regeneration. Unlike other classes who can stealth – blocks – blinds.

Now our GS and LB might full into the line where we have stealth blocks but they are nothing compared to other classes.

Well that my 2 cents worth.

Eurantien.4632:

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http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-HFkV;2FFw-n2ZDk-0;9-8E;29TT;21;026A36A;1aw07;2MRl4MRl42FT

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Um Eura I don’t see LB/GS in that build, lol hopefully after your display of the Epic Power ranger in the tourney Anet might start improving the build.

Yeah the build’s I posted are the Meta Builds. I currently use my own version of Spirit Builds based on my roll. I don’t use Spirit build on backpoint anymore, there is a Warrior whom can beat me most of the time which you can’t have as your backpoint you need high % chance of winning. This isn’t due to lack of skill its due to his build just counters me to hard and I have to base beating him on chance he messes up which is to much of a risk.

I don’t recommend Carrion Spirit build to anyone. It’s a commonly used build but its our weakest version of Spirit’s. It’s only good vs Team’s who are full conditions which gets destroyed in this meta and I’ve not see condition heavy team in TPvP win in so long now.

I’ll explain why in a few simple words, Shaman’s beats it on backpoint and rabid beats it in team fights. I know it might sound a bit blunt, but after playing ranger for past year you end up finding all the pro’s and con’s of each version of Spirit Build.

Rabid user will tank just as much as a Carrion user in team fight’s. Also Rabid stacks bleeds so much faster and does just as much direct damage.

I also recommend every Spirit build takes HS and Sword/Horn, team support is just to strong.

There is so much I would love to share, but best way is to find out on your own and this is why I posted common Spirit Builds, so new player’s could play them find there roots with the builds and turn them into there own version which fits into there roll.

How is this going to improve PvP in EU and NA?, wont they be on there own server “International” this is how GW1 was so why would it be any different.

I normally run Axe/Dagger – Sword/Horn and now depending on whom we are facing Runes of Melandru, very effect vs the current Warrior meta.

Something allot of ranger’s are not aware of is duration is worth more then condition damage. If you watched the vVv Tourney today, I ran my own version with very odd rune setup and I had my reason.

List of common meta build’s currently used for TPvP. These are the standard template’s most spirit ranger’s will use depending on there roll. Feel free to change them to your play style.

Hope this help’s some newer ranger’s trying to get into TPvP. Are these the only current viable builds, the answer is yes sadly. Spirit’s are just your only option in TPvP.

There are some ranger’s still using the Beastmaster builds and Trapper builds even the LB/S Burst build, but in the current state of the meta they just are not viable in the competitive scene.

Shaman Spirit’s – Home Point Bunker.

Build Link: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRAnY8fjEVl1NVeVg2BiVBB1eoJzjJ3jSRqTdwqPP-TwAg2CrIaS1krJTTymsNN8YFyehZAA

Carrion Spirit’s – Team Fights & Home Point Bunker.

Build Link: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAV8YjEVl1NVeVg2BiVBB1ekJzjJ3jSRqTdwqPP-TsAgyCuIATBmDMDYSwsgN8YFyeBA

Rabid Spirit’s – Team Fights.

Build Link: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAV8YjEVl1NVeVg2Bi2jMZeMxKYI3jSRqTdwqPP-ToAAzCpIaS1krJTTymsNNqY5B

Some of the top ranger’s do run different version of these builds, most of the time it depends on whom they are facing. So I recommend learning the build as there are some hard counters in the meta at the moment.

I currently run my own version of Spirit Ranger, reason I use different version’s it purely based on my team’s setup.

+ #Vote Ak for King!

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

“you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.” and you called me common ranger when your the common ranger.

Just made me laugh. I’ve been playing Ranger at competitive level probably 1000x longer then you. So when you talk down to someone atleast make sure you know what your talking about.

Again, your grammar skills are inadequate, please learn that it’s ’you’re’ and not ‘your.’ Also, you don’t know anything about me; so you have a weak emphasis on your argument about you having played “At a more competitive level” than me. And common ranger?! I never said you were a common ranger! I don’t even know anything about you other than that you have poor grammar skills! And I am right, YOU are a follower, and you BAD MOUTH rangers. Also, as far as I can tell, you’re probably just another warrior or guardian that goes into youtube and server forums loking for a viable build to sustain your satisfaction. Please, shoot me. :/

You talk allot of trash, but ah give it time once you reach top tier you will understand.

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

“you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.” and you called me common ranger when your the common ranger.

Just made me laugh. I’ve been playing Ranger at competitive level probably 1000x longer then you. So when you talk down to someone atleast make sure you know what your talking about.

1. Rewards & Progression/Rank
1. Rewards & Progression/Rank
1. Rewards & Progression/Rank

For Team Que please.

Solo Que I can see this being a problem, but in Team Que they just get stomped. They will beat bad team’s but that’s about it. If you face that lineup in Solo Que that just majorly unlucky.

Fern Hound F2 Tool Tip bug or error?

Does the Heal F2 scale with Healing Power, currently the tool tip states using Settlers on a Spirit Build (Healing, 1,644 Regen (13s) 2,737 Heal) Now we ran our test and it doesn’t scale with Healing Power. Give’s you the 1k heal and the regen doesn’t scale as with boon duration.

Can a dev please let us know if this just tool tip bug? or is it meant to scale with healing power and is bugged.

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Writetyper.1985:

Roaming, yes, PvP, very yes, but zerging WvW is a big no. It’s just kitten compared to other classes when more than ~12 people are involved.

Don’t listen to the other people’s flat out “no” because a lot of people run dumb kitten on their ranger and somehow can’t even play the class with the lowest skill ceiling properly.

+1, this is 100% correct most of the QQ is about PvE or just Ranger’s who have no idea.

Ranger’s are monster’s in the right hands.

You want to be online soon as they open again, the Que will re-pop and if your team is logged out then the other team can cap without a problem.

It happened to team mate last patch. Que pop’ed server closed he was slow on download update, other team got to 300 points before anyone on his side rejoined the game.

Mesmer’s have been doing this to us for donkey year’s and they do way more damage. If your worried about thief’s then stop spamming vs these builds….

Why I said I was running a “I’m running rather bad build”. I’m just waiting for the update I’ll be buying my new armor setup’s atm I’m running very wacko armor setup that shouldn’t be viable lol.

Honestly healing signet is worthless but you need it to keep your pet alive, but once we can get Protection on them won’t be as needed.

Hi, I recently came back to WvW after taking rather long break from it, after playing my Guardain allot in WvW I figured it’s time to bring back the Ranger.

Be warned I mess up allot, I’m running rather bad build, I don’t have any ascended and NONE of my pet’s are renamed…..

Part 1: http://youtu.be/tqwhi_4I_Ek

Part 2: http://youtu.be/Q4-nETVykhg

Hope you enjoy.

Entioch.6594:

Npac.3476:

Just wanted to say good GVG to Ark and DDLG.

Ark, next time you’re “gvging”, (excuse me, spending 15 minutes to set up an aoe fest) try to stomp the downed staters…we helped ya out there couple times.

To the [DR] guild that ran to “stop” the evil imposters, the video of the 7 of us (and two AoN guys I think) absolutely rolling you like Alabama Football is coming soon.

lol the clicking reference in your tag is to the guild legendary rage(a guild that splintered off swag), where ukune (the engi) and stunningstyles (the guardian) mostly roam now :P dont let me stop you though, this stuff is comical.

Maybe! lol…..