Guild Wars 2

Can u list or screen cap the game graphics settings ur using.

The 3632QM will only run at 2.9ghz with all 4 cores in use, which will be in use with GW2, that means the WvW and other busy area’s will have rather poor FPS.
The 8750m as i stated earlyer is akin to or a tad slower than a 640m and would likely requir u to run on Low settings with ‘maybe’ some settings on medium if u want to keep FPS as close to 60 as possible in GPU bound area’s (i.e PvE, dungeons).

So the CPU is better than the oher laptop u stated but the GPU is slower than the 740m. So out of the 2 for GW2 i would say the second one with the 3632Qm CPu is the better choice. For other games the 1st laptop is better ..however overall nether is very good.

Greetings all.

So, after 39 pages of posts (~50 per page) ,according to the Forum Profile, mainly on the tech support forum helping people out, its my turn to ask for advice here on the tech forums

Those of you with experiance with custom water loops i ask you to take a gander here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1444159/custom-water-loop-cpu-gpu-need-advice#post_21229106
and here : http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=58215
to help me figure out my future water loop ..and my 1st one i might add

Appreciate any help.

Ok well Intel laptop CPU’s are a totaly different beast. They can get very hot and it would be the fault of the laptop design. Desktop CPU’s can last a loooong time.
Infact i cant recall a CPU ever breaking on me.

Bassicaly, take that link i posted, and upgrade the GPU to a 780, that will bring u up to ~$1500 and give u a massive performance boost. The 290 would be cheaper, but as i said, i personal would only get it if i had a water cooled system to keep its temps down. And the 780 has droped in price now anyway.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/25wwm

BTW , if u already has a OS installed on a old rig or laptop, u shold be able to transfer it over. You shouldnt need to buy Windows 8 tbh, W7 is just as godo and more mature so less bugs, make sure u got a 64bit version. If u have the 32bit version of W7 installed on a old rig, just use the same product code/key and download the 64 bit version. that’ll save u $100.

if u only need a small PC, and dont need a laptop for portability outside ur home then look into building or buyign a LAn gaming rig aka M-iTx/M-Atx bassed PC.

They can be very small, taking up not much more room than ur average consol.

I.e
http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Award-winning+Gaming+PCs/Gladiator+Punisher+7870+LE+i5-3570K+4.30GHz+LAN+OC+Gaming+PC+%2B+4+FREE+GAMES%21+%28Ruby-Reward%29+?productId=55342

or u could take ur current desktop PC and build it into a new m-itx/m-atx Case + m-itx/m-atx Motherboard for a much cheaper cost.

Give us ur deffinaition of playable and we can let u know what to look for.
Your budget is tight, and GW2 requirs a strong CPU, somthing laptops dont have uness u spend thousands on them. So if u want to play GW2’s WvW or other busy events, then a laptop is not for u becouse FPs will be horrible <20.

GPu wise u want somthing like a GTX 760m , the 740m is not gaming grade. The 8750m is a tad slower than a 640m, and would requir u to run GW2 on Low, if http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8750M.87147.0.html is anything to go by.

I dont mean to sound overly negative but i like to make sure people understand and know what to expect. its better u end up pleasently surprised if im overly negative, than be dissapointed if i sound to positive.

What i would sugest as a minimum would be a laptop with a 3630QM or 4700MQ CPU with a 670m/760m/6970m GPU.

a 120+ Hz Monitor would be usless for GW2, FPS figures rarely reach that high in busy environments due to GW2’s optimisations ..or lack of.

For FPs games, racing, and other competative games then a 120hz+ monitor would be good.

if ur not playign competative games then stick with ‘quality’ over ‘hz’.

EDIT: oh and on another note u may want to hold of for a few months. Next year iswhen 4k displays and G-Sync capable displays will be coming out, both of which are worth the wait if u have a Nvidia card and/or have the money for a 4k display.

OP.

Go to LA, jump to the north waypoint. Run over the bridge and just before the steps going down to the MYsticForge. Zoom out as far as u can and take a screenshot with FPS and settings shown. Thats usualy a godo place that every1 can get to and hav e simular load on screen as LA is usualy constantly busy during normal play times.

Unlike WvW which can be a pain to find a sizable zerg and each zerg can be vastley different in size.

Ok so with that kind of budget. (do let u know if u have any more leway) i would sugest going DOWN on ur GPU, so u can get a Intel rig.

As much as GW2 makes it clear that Intel CPUs are stronger, and yes in most games it doesnt matter, the fact still remains that for gaming in general the single thread performance of intel CPU’s is best. So do try get a I5 or i7.

Go for a 280x or GTX 770, the 290 and 290x would be a good choice if u were to water cool them, but going air is just ..well they run at 95c ..thats hot, and they cant OC on air. The price u save between a r290 and a GTX 780 or 780ti u would spend on a water cooler for it so in the end the price is simular. Atleast that my OPINION.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/25ukP
If ur going above 1080p resolution, get a R9 280×. If not then the GTX 770 is good.
You dont need a 800w PSU, 600W is plenty.

£800-£1000 is the sweet spot.

Places u can buy stuff from in the UK. (I’ve used some of these places myself)

Novatech.co.uk
Dabs.com
Scan.co.uk
OverClockers.co.uk
Aria.co.uk

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25tyZ
Would be better IMO.
THE GPU is the XT version which is betetr than the GHz version, this particular one happens ot be cheaper aswell. The 4670k is faster clock for clock than the 3570k. The GD65 Gaming is a great looking board and has good onboard features. The corsair Vengence Pro is the new version of cosai r vengance RAM this particular set is also faster and matches the color scheme. And u cant go wrong with a Seasonic PSU

When looking at the £800-£1000 range do remember ur looking at a Mid level gaming rig, so it may not last as long as u expect. Depending on ur expectations for ingame settings and performance figures u may want to upgrade as soon as mid next year when new GPU’s are released, however it coul potentialy last a good couple years (2-3).

You WILL notice the difference between Intel and AMD CPU’s in this game, there is no doubt.

You only have 1GB VRAM so its normal.
Nowerdays most people will sugest atleast 3Gb VRAM due to upcoming games and increase in resolutions to above 1080p, though 2GB can still surfice for now.

Same as above. Go for an i5 or i7 build. And try to avoid those prebuilt rigs. if ur goign to go prebuilt/thridparty built then do it via a place that allows u to choose the components inside, like those sites that allow options, dont buy prebuilt rigs from a regular retailer.

Oh and fair wraning, iv had REALLY bad experiance with Ebuyers RMA process in the past, took over a month and a letter to their chief executive with warnings of going to trading standards to get it sorted out. It may not be the norm, but just putting it out their. They did appologies in the end and say it wa an issue with a specific employee but u never know.
Since ur looking at ebuyer i can sugest some other places to buy computers and or parts in the UK.

OverClockers.co.uk
Novatech.co.uk
Scan.co.uk
Dabs.com
Aria.co.uk

Aria does some really nice prebuilt and OC’ed rigs around the £1000 mark.
overclcokers tend to be a tad expensive once u take delivery into account but they also do good prebuilt rigs.

Does ur rig have a onboard GPU ?

It may be switching to ur onboard GPU when ur dedicated GPU usuage drops below a set , at which point u get horrible FPS untill it realizes it needs to go back to the dedicated card. I notice the max GPu usuage only being 54 which isnt suprising considering GW2 is very CPu bound and ur running a weker CPU, when u happen across an area with increased CPU load ur GPU usuage drops and then kicks into the onboard GPU ..maybe..
In regards ot ur HDD usuage during the FPS drops it could be due to any onboard GPU having a very small amount of system memory to use as VRAm and thus the HDD is constantly in use.

If u do have a onboard GPU, try find the BIos settings for it and dissable it.

If u dont have a dedictaed GPU then honestly..i would try a complete system format. As u have already done a driver change the only thing left to try is a format.
I cant see anything that would indicate u GPU being faulty as ur not maxing it out usuage wise, temps are fine, and its not throteling, the only downside i can see is its maxing out on VRAm usuage, but that according to the GPU z screenshot isnt the problem as it was maxed out before the FPS drop and loss of GPu usuage.

I’ve seen people post with graphics errors like that, its almost always a drvier issue.

Do a clean install of the latest driver, or beta drivers. If ur already on them, try some older drivers.

If u can…
Ether get the i3 3250 (2core + HT, 55watt, 3.5ghz fixed) or the i5 3470 (4 core no HT,77watt, 3.2-3.6ghz dynamic)

You want to get the best clock speed u can. Preferably on a native 4core CPU, but 2core + HT can be ok though not optimal.

OK so what hardware specificaly do u have that u can re-use ?

$500 isnt much but if only 1 or 2 parts of ur dead rig are broken then replacing them with a budget of $500 shouldnt be a problem.

Bassicaly if u can list the specs of ur old/dead rig and note which part is broken (if u know) then we should be able to sort somthing out.

It meets the requirments …barely.

Dont expect great performance.

Any parts u can re-use from ur old rig ? $500 isnt much to work with.

Ditto the above.

When asking about a replacement Rig, its always best to simple put out a budget and let people go at it. The results will give u plenty of choices and the discussions about each choice will highlight possible flaws with said choices and possible gains.

Which i5 CPU ?
What GPU ?

Try re-installing ur GPU drivers without installing Geforce experiance, 3d drivers, or sound drivers..bassicaly install JUST the graphics drivers.
The extra programs/drivers can somtimes cause problems, and tbh u dont need them anyway.

Check ur GPU VRAm usuage just befor this happens, if its maxed out at 1024mb then its possible ur seeing a performance tank due to the VRAm, RAM, and HDD having to swap out data.

That said, since this is now happening after u installed W8 its likely just a software hitch. personaly i stick with W7, its more mature and helps avoid such problems.

DarkWasp.7291:

Places like Orr and Southsun push the GPU usage to 100% and run close to 60 FPS.

LA only pushes the GPU usage to 60-70% and runs at about 40 FPS.

So I’m guessing this means a GPU upgrade will give me a conditional boost and a CPU upgrade will give me a thorough boost?

Affirmative.

86c at full load with almost max fan speed does see ma tad high.

Though ill be honest, i cant remember the average temp people used ot get back when those cards were mainstream. Nvidia’s thermal shut of is at 105c, but the higher ur temp the less stable thigns can get. It might be showing its age and thus need lower temps now to run.

Change the TIM, re-install drivers, and see what happens.
If that fails try downclocking it.
if that fails then last resort before calling it ‘dying’ would be to format ur whole system, re-install windows, re-install drivers, and re-install GW2 and see if it still does it.

Another thing u can do is find another rig and try the card in there just to see if its deffinatly the card.

Dont expect great performance in Busy cities like LA, or busy events like WvW and large dynamic pve events. in such cases ull likely get sub 20 FPS.

PvE however should be fine. Dont put reflection on All, i say that to everyone, doesnt matter what rig ur running, dont have it on ‘All’ it renders reflections underground and puts extra load on ur CPU tanking performance. Have it ether ‘Off’ or on ‘terrain and Sky’ .

Most the vids, writen tutorials, and forum posts iv seen havnt bothered insulating anything specific on the cards. I guess it wouldnt hurt, but i imagin it would be a bit of a PITA to do so. And most do ~10 mins. But im sure there are other methods/time periods that have worked for other people. its a last resort so what ever floats ur boat i guess lol.

If after all else fails and u need to get a new card, there is 1 possible way to MAYBE save the card. Its a risk, but..u know if its dying/dead then ur not loosing anything if what i sugest goes wrong.

Its called baking. Even if u do it right it may not work, so just putting that out there.

You bassicaly stick ur graphics card in the oven. Sounds mad ..yep ..and it is. BUT do it right and it can bassicaly resolder everything on the baord at the same time, thus fixing any potential bad solder joints.

What can go wrong ..well u bake it to long or to hot and its fried…erm roasted.
The chips and caps could fall off and can happen if u make it to hot or leave it in to long.

The process, well the ones iv seen bassicaly strip the card of the heatsinks, shroud, and fans, stick it on a foil lined oven tray, suport it with somthing like rolled up balls of foil, and place it in. Have the oven preheated to around 195c/385f befor hand and leave it on for 8-10 minutes. it should start smelling of solder. After that let it cool slowly.
Once done, reassemble it and stick in ur rig and see if it worked.

There are alot of vids on youtube showing other people doing it and also forum posts on places like overclock.net.

Again only do this is all else fails and ur about to buy a new graphics card.

So one program you can use to help with the fans and also for overclocking and downclocking is EVGA PrecisionX, it also monitors stuff aswell.

GPU-Z is the best program to use for pure monitoring though so yes do get that.

As for ur windows issue. I always find it easier to do a fresh install if i think there is a corrupt driver or file within windows. However thats just me, u can always try a system restor to a point when u remember the issue not being present.

TIM = Thermal Interface material. So yea thermal paste.

I have 2 old 8800GTX reference models stored in my loft and i remember how loud those were once they started ramping up the fan speeds, so i dont think anything is wrong with ur fan just by going by the noise. The XFX model as far as i can tell uses more or less a reference design hence why i compare it against my old 8800 GTX’s.

The fact u dont hear the fans ramp up in Linux might actually be a bad thing, if anything as it means ether ur GPU isnt being properly used, or its letting it get to hotwithout uping the fan speed.

Simply monitor ur GPU usuage when playing GW2 to see if ur maxing it out. No need to guess, there is software available to tell u.

Also since u said u have a rig that plays GW2 to ur satisfaction, building a LAN rig would only cost u as much as a new m-itx or m-atx motherboard thats compatable with ur current CPU, maybe a new CPU cooler if ur current one is to big, and ofc a small M-Itx, or m-Atx case.
it would be ALOT cheaper.

That is ofcourse on the assumption that ur current rig can be used, (i.e ur not leaving it for som1 else)

You know if its really just a desktop replacement due to size, why not build a LAN gaming desktop (aka m-itx or m-atx bassed rig) ? Or do u actually NEED to have a portable laptop at times ?

Looks and sounds like a overheating and/or dying GPU.

Open up ur case, check over your graphics card, is it full of dust ?
If so, pull it out, take of the plastic shrowd and clean the heatsink and fan.

Befor doign this u could also monitor ur GPU temperatures to find out if overheating is the issue.

If u have added a overclock to it, take it of. if its factory Overclcoked, try downclocking it a little. If it is dying then downclocking could help u get a little mroe life out of it, and if its overheating downclocking (asuming it changes voltages) could help aswell. BUT it shouldnt be overheating, so check for dust and make sure the fans are working.

if it is overheating and it is clean, then you may need to change the TIM, as it could have gone off and is no longer conducting heat well enough for the heatsink and fan to disapate the heat quikly enough.

9-12 FPS, if in LA or other busy area’s is perfectly understandable for that laptop.

But if ur in open PvE area’s , then the 7670m should be giving better FPS than that.

go for 3, if it doesnt help, go for 4.

GW2 isnt THAT kitten GPU’s, ur minimum FPS figures are caused by ur CPU in all likelyhood.

Even with a 2nd gen or newer intel OC’d rig u will see FPS in the low 30’s in LA, but thats with culling on Highiest/Medium and all other settings except Reflection on MAX including SuperSampling and at 3200×1800 resolution.
WvW will still dip down to the low 20’s, but again thats with culling on highest/Mediu, so if u run them both on low u should easily stay above 30 with a OC’ 2nd gen or newer intel rig.

Indeed set things like:

Reflections: Off or Terrain & Sky (Big FPS killer)

Shadows : Anything but Ultra. Off being the best for performance obviosly. (will give you a handfull fo FPS)

Culling Settings:
Character Limit: High-Highest (its a big FPS killer but u NEED it set this high to see people)
Texture Limit: Medium or low ( another killer, set to medium for avergae sized zergs, set to low as soon as u see FPS getting to low)

The rest fo the settings i personaly dont see THAT much of a difference, though ofcourse if one were to set them all to Lowest then you would gain the accumulative few FPS from each setting and thus gain a good amount of FPS performance. but the look of GW2 would be ruined.

For al lthose with performance issues, If u have Reflections : All, ur oding it wrong. Turn Reflections to : Terrain and Sky.

GW2 rendered reflections on all water, even that below the map, hence why it hits performance so hard. So its not worth it.

The difference is precisly what u said. Its many people vs 1 person.

last time i checked the rules were present where u tye it in. it wil lsay somthign like “no mroe than 3 lines and x characters”

the problem i found was that their deffinition of a ‘line’ was ..non existant lol. I made mine with a process of trial and error.

Feel free to copy and paste my sig and edit within its current format.

Its called ‘multiboxing’ and so long as ur the one controling them most games allow it however they usual have rules in place, very specific ones on how exactly multiboxing is implimented.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Policy-3rd-Party-Programs-Multi-Boxing-Macros

This states that you cant use a macro to transfer controls over multiple accounts on the same computer. however it does not specifical say if using a single control interface across multiple rigs is allowed.
I would expect not, as its a mechanical way of doing the same thing that they say is not allowed (macro across multiple accounts).

So in short.
No its not allowed in GW2.

Is kitten‘right’ ..should it be allowed ?
Well to be honest, i never liked the idea of multiboxing in the 1st place, imo it totaly ruins the intended difficulty level of the game if a single person (note i didnt say ‘character’) can do content that would otherwise requir more ‘people’, or make content for a single ‘person’ that much easier.

Check make sure ur sig complies with the formating.

Look up SC2ALLin1.
Its a mod/crack for StarCraft 2 so u can play it offline. It also happens to be able to set skirmish games up with any population limit u like.

Go test it lol.

There are crack or cheets for almost any RTS game out there, and if population limit is somthign even 1 person may want, theres a crack/cheat for it out there. remember .." THIS IS THE INTERNET !"

You can get better IMO.
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8275-clevo-p170sm-p-5913.html
Customize with a 4800MQ CPU and there u have it.

Sager/Clevo have real good prices on CPU’s when u customize, so if u want a better CPU get one of their laptops as it costs less. MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, try adding on a 4800MQ cpu and it adds over $200. Sagre only ask for $185, so u can grab a $1300 stock setup, change the CPu form a 4700mq to a 4800mq for better performance in WvW and other CPu intensive situations all for around $1500. Oh and aroudn that price they all come with a GTX 770m.

hell yes ….bassicaly :P

Even more so if u OC the sucker.
A 460 GPu is still perfectly capable of handle GW2, its likely not being fully utilised atm as ur CPU is holding it back.

• a 460 = ~650ti. So its fine.

Once u get that CPU in ur PC, it will be betetr than ur laptop.

GW2 will likely not allow u to run it on a system with just a HD2000 integrated GPU, lower end LGA 1155 CPu like the i5 2400 run this iGPU.
Minimum requirments are a HD3000 which comes with the higher end LGA 1155/1150 CPU like the i5 2500k.
Even with a HD3000 GW2 will run like a pig.

You can but a single 7970 powering triple monitors, ur asking a bit much there i think. Unless ofcourse ur ok with running lower settings in which case u’ll be ok. GW2 isnt THAT GPU intensive anyway, im more talking about other games.

Follow the link above and try get a CPU that has atleast 1.41 score on the Cinebench R11.5 CPU Single 64Bit score.

Sort it to show only mobile/laptop CPU’s and order by Cinebench R11.5 CPU Single 64Bit.

No.

For 3 reasons.
its a laptop/mobile CPU.
its a dual core.
its got a low clock speed.

For a laptop u want ether:
i7 3630QM or better
i7 4700MQ or better
i7 3820 (this is a desktop processor, but the LGA 2011 CPU’s have been built into a select few Super high end laptops)

GPU wise u want a dedicated card. i would say a 660m would be the absolute lowest, and advised would be a 760m.

GW2 =/= Crysis.

Crysis is GPU bound. GW2 is CPu bound. Hence why it hits the CPu harder.

This all sounds like overheating issues though it could also be potentialy an issue with old Laptop batteries and/or faulty power blocks.

You should be looking at a Z77 or Z87 Chipset atm if ur looking for a new rig.
Only look at Z series, they allow OCing which is bassicaly free performance.

GPU wise u wanna look at dedicated cards like a Nvida GTX 760 or AMD R9 280/280×.
or as low as a 7870XT or GTX 660.

As for ur question. H67 is better than G41. They are 2 totaly different chipsets though so i can only asume u are looking for a new rig, in which case i stick to my above statements..look for a Z77 or Z87 (LGA 1155, LGA 1150) rig.