How is it required to do 1000 runs? You only need to finish it thrice.
Probably referring to the winter presence requirements. You need 10000 drinks which you can only get from presents. Given drop rate you need about 12000 presents or more.
Easiest way to get that is do jumping puzzle 1200 times. It’s a total blast and lots of fun. I just wish they would have made us need to do it more. Like maybe 2000 to 3000 times because each run is more fun than the last.
i was thinking about hiring npcs to farm my home instance, but it was just too difficult to arrange a 401k program, health benefits, and paid time off for them.
The thing I disagree with is the theory that ANet makes you grind. The decision to grind is yours not theirs. Nothing stops you from playing as you want during Wintersday and buy the drinks you miss if you want the skin or sell them if you rather make some gold.
In fact getting 10k drinks is pretty much the derandomized version of getting the Batwing Brew for the Halloween skin and I find it much more preferable as it spreads out the benefits and doesn’t limit it to a few lucky people.
There are several ways to grind in this game, but it’s always the players’ choice to do it. Most things can be obtained by playing as you like and then trading for them, but if you really want to remove even the option to grind, you can use diminishing returns much stronger by reducing the average drop of every activity by 10% every few repetitions, I just doubt that this would be very popular.
Well obviously the decision to grind is yours. As a player, you don’t have to do anything in the game. It’s always your choice.
However, I think people are just dissatisfied with how this event was implemented. Half the fun of an achievement or reward is in the process of getting it. You get a sense of accomplishment when done and the prestige of displaying the fruits of your labour. Yes, you can simply just buy the drinks and skip the grind, but that seems to diminish the value of it. If there is an achievement, I want to achieve it not simply purchase it,
I enjoyed making my legendary weapon. I enjoyed making mawdrey and my spinal back piece. Those still required a grind but the they were fun to work towards. This shoulder achievement is not. I’ve done the winter JP close to 500 times, I’ve amassed 6000 presents and I’m still only half way to the needed 12k. It’s been exceptionally boring and tedious. At this point, although it’s feasible for me to complete, I just don’t want to do this anymore. It’s not fun, it feels like work, actually worse than work cause that at least gives me some variety.
It’s not the end of the world and anet certainly isn’t obligated to do anything for the holidays let alone offer a new skin. They could make the drink requirement 30k if they wanted. But as players, I think we should offer our feedback about the experience. In this case it’s been generally negative.
I can do 15 if I have a good run. I do the gingerbread path. The snowflakes are easy but you lose times waiting on them to spawn sometimes. The only thing that messes me up is the exploding presents and mostly because of other players. Always get that person who tries to time it. 70 percent of time they go too early and miss but then it triggers the presents to explode too early messing me up.
I have had that bug where you freeze mid jump and fall. Also had this bug where other players seem to body block me. Like they are solid and I can’t pass through them.You hurt other players running that FYI. Learn Quaggan it’s easy.
It’s hilarious that you who run gingerbread complain about other players exploding gifts…. You do that to other players.
Seriously Tyria, running Gingerbread hurts everyone.
How does that hurt everyone? I’m one of just many running it. There always lots of ppl running each path.
The only problem I’ve seen on the exploding presents is when that one person leaves a half second early. They usually miss and die but then it starts the presents popping so everyone else dies. I can’t see how saving 0.25 seconds is going to improve the number of runs.
I can do 15 if I have a good run. I do the gingerbread path. The snowflakes are easy but you lose times waiting on them to spawn sometimes. The only thing that messes me up is the exploding presents and mostly because of other players. Always get that person who tries to time it. 70 percent of time they go too early and miss but then it triggers the presents to explode too early messing me up.
I have had that bug where you freeze mid jump and fall. Also had this bug where other players seem to body block me. Like they are solid and I can’t pass through them.
I’m all for a challenge. I like the raid they made. Some people complain that it’s too hard, but that’s kind of the point. It takes good coordination, planning, and skill to execute. I like the winter skin and I want it. I have no problem with the various requirements needed to get it. I think mastering wintersday means doing all of the events – topocalypse, snowball fights, bells, and JP. I know some people have complained about the JP being required, but that’s kind of the challenge of it. Things are more rewarding when they’re harder to get.
That being said, the 10,000 drink thing is a little excessive. There’s no challenge to sitting at a computer and doing 50+hours of bells except perhaps, the challenge of maintaining your sanity. I’ve been doing the JP, instead, as I find that more fun and rewarding, but after 300 times through it, even that is getting just tedious.
And honestly, I’d even be fine with the argument that “not everyone should be able to do this challenge” if people simply couldn’t forego most of the rigor and just buy the drinks needed. It would be nice if the skin actually represented the challenge. Otherwise, why doesnt anet just put the skin on the tp and say “give us 5$ for it!”
It does matter, but it can be deceptive. If you sit and hold a point for an entire match, you may not score much, but you’ve contributed a huge amount to your team winning.
If you think about it Star Wars is irrelevant to this discussion.
Not quite. It was mentioned in the thread that people went on to spoil HoT after the release without getting any form of punishment. Gaile mentioned that she wasn’t talking about spoilers like Rosebud (which is actually spoiled in the Hints: section right above when you are posting).
Where is the line when you are allowed to post spoilers and when not? That is, at least to me, very unclear.It seemed pretty clear to me based on Gailes post. Old spoilers for things people are highly likely to have already read/watched/played etc. should they want to are not a problem. E.g. the plot to a 20 year old movie or 10 year old game.
Things which are brand new, like the plot to the new Star Wars or Heart of Thorns which you can reasonably expect many people will not have had the opportunity to experience for themselves yet should not be posted all over the forum.
But where is the line? When am I allowed to talk about spoilerish things without having to fear to cause an outrage. I saw Predestination early 2015. Am I allowed to ‘spoiler’ it or is it sill too early? For me, it’s still not clear when things are clear.
Just use common sense. Obviously, talking about a movie during its first week of release is spoiling. I’m sure once a movie is out of the theatres, most people wont care if you discuss it.
But I also don’t understand the incredible and insatiable need to discuss movies in general map chat. Star wars has it own forums with spoiler tags. If people want to chat about it, they have far more knowledgeable people there.
A good example is this – Wintersday? More like Wintermisery. Now the subject matter in this forum post is about the op’s unhappyness with the wintersday festival. Many post later one of the other posters adds a P.S. —-———- (stars wars spoiler) at the bottom of his post. Not one single part of that forum conversation was even closly related to anything to do with star wars or movies. So his intent was fairly plain. If you have not yet run across a spoiler yet and want to see the movie without any do not read that forum posting just a heads up.
Yeah, I saw that, too. Thanks for giving the heads up to other people. That guy was just being a malicious jerk. I guess some people feel the need to act like that because they feel inadequate at other things.
I say NO. The whole point of getting certain items or skins is that it’s a challenge. I understand that people may have difficulty with certain tasks, but that’s what challenge is about. If it was easy, what’s the point?
Honestly, how hard is it to be civil? They shouldn’t have to make a rule that you don’t post spoilers. People should just have enough sense and be courteous enough not to do that kind of stuff.
As for official policy, Anet can do whatever they want. It’s a private game and site, so they can have whatever rules of decorum they want. Your civil rights are not being oppressed if you cant be an kitten and post spoilers on a private game’s board or map chat.
Okay – You win ANet. I can’t deal with these 30 minute queues everytime any longer.
I have the perfect solution for you. Put me on your shoulders and my abysmally low MMR will balance out your high one, and you’ll have 30 second queues
It would be nice to see a team/guild pvp queue. Like the old team arenas they had in gw1. Because I agree, that most of the time, a random PUG group has no chance against a skilled guild group using TS.
I was just playing a match in unranked pvp – as an ele – and got downed by a group of 2 guys. I was at a point they were trying to cap. So one guy went to stomp me and I hit my downed mist form skill. So guy misses stomp and it takes a few seconds longer to kill me.
He then accuses me of being unsporting by using that skill because I had no chance of survival and should just let him stomp me. I’ve never had anybody complain about that before.
My reasoning for using that skill:
1) I’m going to use any skill available to me on my bar
2) If I stay alive for a few more seconds it prevents them from capping sooner and allows my team time to arrive
3) I’ve often bought enough time for team mate to come and revive me.
Was that unsporting of me to use that? Or is this guy just wrong?
Certain dungeons can close on you – CoF, CE, and Arah for instance.
Not sure if there is a logistics reason behind this or if it’s just a part of the game. But it makes running dungeons very tedious. Just tried to do 3 paths in CoE and had to complete the dungeon event 3 times as the dungeon closed everytime we finished a path. And it’s not like we were taking a long time in the dungeon.
See the same in CoF, where you just have large groups of people standing around waiting and maybe 2-3 ppl doing actual dungeon event. Maybe it was fun 2 years ago, but not sure how useful those events are now. Just feedback from one gamer.
If you want to make money by selling dungeon slots, that’s your business and not anets. It’s not their job to ensure you get paid. you need to take the steps to ensure that not them. LFG was designed by anet to make finding dungeon groups easier – not as a gold making tool. It sucks that ppl take advantage of it but there’s nothing illegal about it. I’ve posted several lfgs for experienced 80 zerkers and often get ppl who don’t fit the bill. Should I have anet punish them for being dishonest?
On SoR the notion of “casual” wvw is heavily promoted. Basically it’s pop in and out whenever you like, mess around for a bit, get a few bags, give a few bags, and then go back to whatever other stuff you enjoy in game.
Until that changes and they are able to get and keep serious wvw oriented players/guilds then no, there is no chance of them climbing back up. The wvw players simply don’t have the mentality to be competitive. And for those who are competitive it’s extremely frustrating. Not just losing constantly but the entire “casual wvw” attitude.
I’d argue that is what much of the ppl in wvw are/were. It’s just the more serious and competitive players all jumped ship from each server and bandwagoned on to a select few. People like to win. And people will stack the deck to do so. I’d hazard that much of the big guilds on t1 servers werent there originally.
People usually cry about balance, but a lot of it is player ability. Some people are just better than others and can make a build look great.
I’ve tried several different types of builds. The vast majority have failed misreably. But it’s fun.
If ranger is so awesome, why not roll one of those?
Please make engineers and eles easy to kill like they used to be becauase I’d rather not exert any effort.
Honestly, something needs to be done. The lower tiers are just god awful boring. Almost entirely PVDoor. Whoever can scrounge up 5 players will end up dominating a map.
My condolences. Sorry to hear that.
WvW is beyond repair for many servers, not just SoR. And honestly, most of the ppl you didnt like on SoR have probably bandwagonned onto some other server at this point. Isnt that the point of Wvw? Cherrypick?
I got a different problem in Hidden Arcana.
I have already beaten it, as well as the achievements, but now on a replay I cant get past Ogden.
The dialogue window in which he tells you to examine the hourglass comes up, closes instantly and gets replaced by one in which you can ask Ogden about elder dragons, zephyrites and corruption.
I cant continue from there, because I cant use the hourglass.
Didtn see your post. Just made one about this myself. I get the same bug. The dialogue box for hourglass pops up for 1/10th of second, but cant click on it. then goes to the lore discussions.
Done this before and was fine. But at part where I speak to Ogden before he tells me to look at hourglass. He only has talk options to talk about mordremoth, eternal alchemy, sylvari, etc. Does not give me option to advance story. Tried relogging but does not work.
Stealth is not invulnerability. They cant target you while in stealth with a direct attack, but if they hit you before you stealth, that’s part of that skill.
Aren’t you basically saying that every class is overpowered?
I haven’t come across one class that is vastly inferior in PVP. I’ve been wrecked by every class in the game. It usually comes down to the skill of the player moreso than the build they use. Furthermore, You may find that you have trouble with certain builds if you run a specific build and playstyle, but that doesn’t mean that the opposing class is overpowered. You can’t expect to beat every other class/build with just one build and playstyle.
Stop Nerfing, stop Buffing, start balancing
_______________________Most ppl want their favorite class buffed and every other class nerfed.
It’s a sad truth
Most ppl are dumb, unfortunately not enough, because they can play a game, and that is sad my friends….
I think there is a misperception as well. People get upset when their particular build cant beat every different type of player on a map. But that’s the game. One build, no matter how refined, is not going to hold up against every build from every class. There are going to be some builds that we all struggle against with our favorite. You’re going to be at a disadvantage – all other things equal – with some builds against other builds.
I agree with the push for free transfers. It’s a flawed solution but it’s still better than the current state. I can only speak for myself, but my current WvW experience is absolutely horrible. It’s unplayable. The server I was on used to be tier 1, then it imploded. Now, I’m lucky if I run across a handful of allies when I play. It’s a ghost town.
If you really enjoy playing wvw, what are you supposed to do in this situation? My only options are to spend 30$+ to transfer to another server – which may implode as well at some point – or to simply quit wvw. How is that fair? How is that enjoyable?
You can’t do much with 3-5 ppl in wvw. If you’re lucky, you pvdoor some towers or maybe a keep if they’re really busy with other stuff. But what’s the fun in that? I’d rather play with people and against people.
I dont need to be on a tier 1 server. I dont have to win every match. But I’d like to have a decent experience when I play – where there is some competition and you dont feel like you joined a hotjoin pvp match where its 5 v 2.
I think it would be nice if you could transfer to find better experiences if the server you are on does not provide that for you. Sure, some ppl will cherrypick, but that’s already happened and there’s already an enormous imbalance.
Most ppl want their favorite class buffed and every other class nerfed.
I was on 2 servers that died after transfers were no longer free, so the idea that transfer fees prevents stacking is flawed. WvW is already stacked. Eliminating transfer fees probably wouldnt make it worse than it already is.
I’ve never had much trouble evading the “burst skills” of an ele.
Dragon tooth and churning earth are massively telegraphed. Unlike an NPC, you can either dodge or simply move out of the way of those.
Fire grab is very conditional and easy to dodge. In fact, you dont even have to dodge it, just keep moving and it will miss as they have to be perfectly aligned for it to hit.
PvP just takes time to learn. Some of those issues can be annoying, but you’ll learn to overcome a lot of that with just practice. I still have trouble with some skills or classes, but that’s more on me than them. If you’re doing a lot of hotjoin pvp, that is often unbalanced simply because of one side having more players. But dont let it discourage you. Ranked matches usually dont have number imbalances.
There’s also downed opponent rallying in wvw without having anything that was killed first.
Could be banners or other skills.
I’ve lost my interest in WvW. It’s a shame because it was fun and a nice break from other aspects of the game.
I’ve been on 2 servers that imploded. Both had decent wvw presence and both had their major wvw guilds leave in a huge exodus. One was before the server transfer fee and the other was after it. Didn’t stop the big guilds from leaving.
Now, it’s a wasteland in wvw and is absolutely no fun. We’ve fallen to low level tiers where we just consistently get rolled in every match or end up with lots of pvdoor. I don’t even mind losing, I just mind not having a chance of meaningful gameplay. Doesn’t matter how good of a player who are or how much strategy you try to employ when your enemy greatly outnumbers you. It’s not fun when you try to take any point and have the enemy zerg show up and crush your 5 man group because they bring 40. No matter how good you are at defending, you cant hold a keep for long when you’re massively outnumbered. 5 guys cant hold a keep against 50 – at least not for long.
Not sure what the fix is. I cant blame the developers for all the faults of wvw, because the community has a lot to do with the gross imbalance as well. People like to win and people like to cherry pick. It certainly seems that the big guilds all like to stack together on a handful of servers. And I dont buy the argument that some servers care more about wvw than others. Many of their wvw players weren’t on those servers at the start.
I like WvW but my experience is currently very subpar. Either I can save up gold or money for gems to transfer or just give up wvw. But I dont think you should have to pay more money just to get the same experience that others get with their game.
Maybe the solution is to get rid of transfer fees. If the concern is that there would be stacking and cherrypicking, it’s already happened. That fee didnt stop any of the big wvw guilds from leaving my server. Just punishes the individual players that like wvw. Or maybe, just have transfer fees to tier 1 servers. Dont know if wvw can be fixed, but I am getting very fed up with it as TC said in OP.
I just dont think it’s fair that you have to switch servers to actually get a decent experience for wvw. My server was decent at WvW, but a few of the big guilds left because they wanted to pile on to the top server in wvw. Then that started a chain reaction and now it’s a ghost town in wvw. Tired of getting rolled by talentless zergs that simply outnumber us 5 to 1. I dont need to be tier 1, but I’d like to get some decent gameplay out of it. Dont think its fair that either Im stuck in a wasteland or I have to drop 30$ to switch to another server – that might possibly die off as well.
If you really enjoy fighting other players, spvp may be better. The fights in that are more balanced as no one has the advantage in gear or upgrades. But I dont get mad at ppl for running in wvw because unless you are holding or attacking an objective, there really is no point to it.
The problem with wvw, is the top players/guilds will always migrate to be together. That’s why you have such a collection of talent at the top. I’ve played on 2 different servers, and I can tell you that all our top guilds on both those servers left for more popular servers. We weren’t even doing bad, we were tier 2 on one those. But ppl always want to be on the winning side.
Funny thing is, the ppl that have the 150 to 30 man advantage, will tell you they are winning purely because of their skill and talent. “WvW is not at all about numbers. It’s about strategy, tactics, and dedication!”
I’ve had some issues with this as well.
I’ve completed 10 of the achievements under the meta category. I’ve also done the daily halloween achievements – I believe you have to complete at least 3 of them in the daily category to get it to count for the meta.
Still at 10/12. Was at 10/12 yesterday, did the upset stomach and under 1 min achievements and still at 10/12.
The answer is rather simple…World Alliances aka Battle Groups. Take the top 3 populated servers and divide the rest equally among the 3.
Details to follow.
I like that idea. Or make transfers free to nonT1 servers. Many servers were great at wvw until half the guilds left to cherrypick onto t1 servers.
Thanks for all the advice. It’s very helpful.
Used to playing other classes, but I really like ele. However, struggling at pvp for it.
Tried staff but was abysmal at it. Do ok with s/d, but seem to be best at d/d.
Tried to make my own build – running 0/0/6/2/6. Did mediocre, but read about meta build being 0/0/2/6/6 and have tried that one. I use traits 6 for earth, 3, 10, 11 for water, and 2,8,11 for arcane. Go with celestial as recommended.
Few questions on it:
1) Do battle and doom sigils work? Can’t swap weapons in combat with ele, but does cycling attunements activate the sigil?
2) Best way to stack might? I use fire 4, then switch to water – use skill 3 – then quick switch to earth. Hit 4 then usually use 2 (nonblast skill) then try a roll to activate blast – so basically 3 blasts. Hard to get roll to work sometimes because I’m in center of fire circle and often will roll out of it.
3) How do you use fire grab effectively? Obviously I like to have them burning, but seems like most ppl know its coming once you use skill 2 on fire. Fire grab seems to miss very easily if opponent is moving and often seems to randomly miss even if I have them lined up perfectly. They dont even have to dodge it.
4) Is churning earth useful in spvp? I’ve tried using it, but usually i get pounded while rooted and channeling, interrupted, or they just dodge at end. I’ve tried combining it with utility – lightning flash, but most ppl seem to dodge it even when you port to them.
5) what are good utility skills to bring? I’ve been using arcane shield, armor of earth, and lightning flash. Found mist form was good for stomping and rezzing but that was about it. Tried air signet for increased mobility and as stun breaker and blind. It seemed decent but no one else seems to use it.
6) Overal strategies? Not sure how to use my skills effectively to burst down opponents. I usually try to link obvious ones together but after using a few, cooldowns seem to kill me.
Sorry if tl;dr, but would love to learn how to play this profession better. I;ve done fair amount of spvp with it, but feel like i’ve plateaued. Not horrible with it, but if I go against experienced or good players, I get absolutely destroyed.
It’s been dead on many servers. Be nice to see them group some of the smaller servers together. I think a lot of people just dont like being outnumbered 200 to 1 on every map and have given up. WvW is a lot of things, but numbers/coverage tends to be the most important. If your server doesnt have the numbers, its just no fun.
Obviously, there are other exits you can take in the BL and EB. But I do agree that it is somewhat unsporting. I like the suggestion of adding a cannon to the spawn point, but that may just result in making spawncampers stand back a little further.
Thanks. I will try that out. Clever which is probably why I didnt think of it. :P
Looked online, but the advice is wrong. Looking to get rugged leather sections so I can get elonian squares and finish my spinal blades. Anyone know a good place to farm them? Online it says harathi hinterlands and centaurs but that’s for coarse ones. I’m checking lvl 55-65 areas, but not sure which one would be best. Getting zilch for drops.
Was in a great, 80+ person guild, but they have slowly burned out and now it’s just me. Do mostly PVE and WvW. Main char is lvl 80 ele, but also have lvl 80 rogue, guardian, and ranger and am building up a Mesmer and Engineer.
Looking for fun guild that does PVE and WvW. Interested in doing some dungeon runs, fractals, and guild missions, too!