Guild Wars 2

Thanks for the gvg fights at bb border tonight, was good fun (both playing and observing).

Later on in the 5v5 the confusion spam mesmers from wvw made me sad panda, so much deeps done to myself.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

dreztina.4820:

I’ve never played a game that required or even significantly benefited from a “gaming” mouse or keyboard, and GW2 is simpler than most. Unless you have some handicap that limits your functionality, I wouldn’t recommend spending the money.

required? no.
significantly benefited? definitely!

With a basic mouse/keyboard set up, you have 50% of your fingers handling 90+% of the commands. Splitting the load more evenly by giving your mouse hand fingers extra options to control is advantageous in many ways, like faster response time(less finger repositioning) and the ability to give more commands simultaneously(or in micro succession anyway).

unless you have some disability which impedes ambidextrous finger use, of course. /eyeroll

Having all your abilities on thumb buttons kinda makes it harder to give simultaneous command i would assume?
Regular mouse usualy has scroll and 2 thumb buttons, one modifer key and that´s 6 keys available for your mouse hand (all readily available without any more finger movement than any gaming mouse would give). With all the keys availabe to your keyboard hand (again mappable to have minimal finger movement) that´s more than enough for game with interface as good as gw2.

You don´t need a gaming mouse, it won´t benefit you greatly either, it´s just a luxury thing you can do if you so desire. It´sall about finding something that feels comfortable to you and getting used to it.

Bind movement to esdf, and you´ll have plentyof buttons around your left hand to bind things to.
If thats not enough just use ctrl as modifier and bind rest with that.

ravivkk.7381:

I find it very hard to believe you did not appriciate the prank.

Look at it this way. There was people there looking for fun pvp action, which got replaced by a full zone blob taking camps. It was fun for you no doubt, been there myself, but it did make your opponents have one boring night with only few highligths here and there.
Dont´be shocked to have people not appreciate when their night ended up the opposite of what they wanted.

Rookni.2469:

There is no challenge in being 12 – 14 randoms versus 12 – 14 TUP! We had one mission and that was to deny you taking that camp. If that ment res rushing and kite you guys around in the circle then yes, that was what we would do. But after 10 minutes (3 defend events went out) The blob was close and they came by We didnt call them in via waypoint, but they had just defended sunny and came up. If it would have been 12 – 14 Dius there we would ofc not do such a thing cause I enjoy fighting you guys to much

Such a shame, had you actualy focused on fighting rather than keeping the camp you might´ve had us, we had some moments we were close to falling, but then again knowing when to do what is one of the things that set guilds apart from pugs

Shandolum.9420:

My sympathies to the people that didn’t get the april fools joke, and my regards to the people that had fun today.

I think you had to be in the bus to “get the joke”, didn´t really make it all that interesting for those not involved ….well, apart from the few how the kitten did we wipe them moments.

Rookni.2469:

Defending a supply camp is boring as hell and not fun versus a group like TUP when they have even or a few more, so we just wanted to get you away. Held it for long though

I see, calling in a blob must´ve been so much more enjoyable than a challenging fight…
We were the lesser numbers though (not at the beginning, but you kept gaining people), or you kept res rushing like champs, anyway was an interesting fight untill that point.

What´s this new meta of run away if not in a blob btw? Kudos to those who didn´t succumb to this tonight.

Enemies cull, friendlies cull, both limits seem to be around 30~ nobody can honestly claim there was or there wasn´t numbers above that, unless they are all in vent then they can call a minimum number, but still there might be more than that and nobody would know.

Untill the patch hits, i personaly would refrain from ever using numbers higher than 30.

Zogyark.4597:

I see a lot of misinformed people on this thread. You can’t prevent death with DS, if a fall would originally take all of your HP you will still die if you fall while using DS, the only time DS is used is if the fall won’t originally kill you, therefore it will take away the actual lost HP from DS from the fall.

Your poor necro hasn´t seen muhc playtime has he?
You can most definately fall any height and survive with ds, tested it right now.

I propably should have phrased the question better as people seem to take it the wrong way. Personaly i love this kind of little quirks, and would love to see more of them. What i meant to do was to start a discussion if there should be more this kind of little tricks (for example allowing all teleport spells to be cast while in air)

Currently as far as i remember anyhow only necros and guardians can avoid dying when falling from great heights. Necros will however lose all of their lifeforce and spend ds cooldown, and guardians need a target and specific utility to pull it off.

Should this be allowed for other classes too? As in should people be able to use teleport skills while in air?

It would partialy defeat the purpose of reduced fall damage traits and it would definately make cliffs much less of a threat, but would it be all that bad in the end?
Discuss.

Zumy.6318:

Strang.8170:

we had a little fun with half a dozen of us trebbing bb bay from their own tower….

Yeah, thats totally the pvp content I am looking for…

Also dont blame me for anything that has to do with a group bigger than 6 ppl.
We were roaming for about two hours and had one single good fight without opponents running away, playing cats and mice with a few dozens of BB pugs until they zerged up to a massive blob.
That was all the action we got out of 2 1/2 hours on two different BL.
Now you tell me what fault I have in everybody blobbing to massive ultrazergs.

I said you should propably direct part of your complaints to riverside aswell, not that you´re the reason, chill out a bit guy.

Also, trebs aren´t the purpose, they are the trap. It´s funny to see angry red tags swarming over siege.

Zumy.6318:

AG, please get new strength out there. Spent most time of the WE in tPvP, as there wasnt anything to smallscale against.
BB does not have any smallscale to offer anyway. But you used to have good nVSn roamers.

Might want to direct that to riverside.
As far as i´ve seen the riverside revenge blob (you know, for the mean horrible and nasty thing ag did last friday) has forced bb to blob up…not a bad thing per se as it´s kinda fun trying to take them on, but frustrating at times.

If there´s no action to be had, create your own, we had a little fun with half a dozen of us trebbing bb bay from their own tower…it´s a real shame you can´t totaly raze a building in this game, we tried our best though.

Monsoon.2589:

What people do not realize is that those apply to everybody not just your 5 alts.

It´s not okay because it´s the same for everyone. That´s like saying that it´s okay to get enslaved by robots because hey, atleast it´s happening to everyone else too.

Monsoon.2589:

I think people are just knee jerk reacting without thinking this through. You do not pay a monthly subscription so that it is going to take time to level in the ladders and obtain the titles and ranking is irrelevant in the sense that no matter what the slope is some people will always complain it is too hard.

It´s not irrelevant. If something comes in the way of your enjoyment, the thing you bought this game for, it´s far from irrelevant. We shouldn´t need to work to enjoy our game. We want to change character when we get bored of our old one…. but NO, apparently you need to work first for the things you already had.

ESDF = movement
Shift = dodge
< = heal
middle mouse button, both side buttons, W and R = skills 1-5
Ctrl + middle mouse button and both side buttons = skills 7-9
Q, T, Y, and A = attunements

Myrmidone.4362:

Strang just one Note to end this whole story.
Everything you said its ok for me,being focused from both, even if you not attack each other i can deal with it.
But dancing with Baruch together in our Keeps, on our Corpses, escorting Baruch Dollys and waving together at us after you wiped us is a little bit disappointing………
I mentioned just few things, so let me know what you would thing about it?
Some people on Riverside did great efforts last two days to close the gap, only to see that things happen.
I know its just a Game but even there should be a little Respect for the Opponent…….

Greets Myrmi

Defeding enemy dollys, fine enough.
Rest is just people making them look like kitten

Shame for the people that worked hard, but this is the way things will and should happen in situations like these. Hopefuly this serves as a wakeup call for both sides that the things you play against are actualy humans who can pull off stuff like this and not mindless bots there only to fight strictly how everyone wants.
Though sadly i can see that the white knight syndrome continues and people don´t aknowledge that they lost, instead they just go on how unfair and dishonorable this all was acting like martyrs.

Zumy.6318:

I bet our two eles zerged very hard.

They had double my number! Five times if you count the randoms, mega zerg….they hurt my feelings, please tell them to appologise.

Great reset night, awesome fights even if the fun was somewhat diminished by the fact that the biggest fights brought horrendous ability lag.

As for the hijinx that happened before the reset, like Taranius said, Tup had no part in them.

That aside, boo friggin hoo.
This is a 3 way battle. It was designed to be that way. If there´s three sides, it´s just bloody natural that such a team ups happen, and without a shadow of a doubt devs knew this kind of things would happen when they made it this way, more than likely they wanted them to happen. It´s supposed to happen, get over it. The game is supposed to be warfare, forming alliances is essential part of it.
If one team is dominant, are the remaining two just expected to suck it and do nothing while they get beaten? Hell no, they should definately team up to take out stronger opponent. If one team focuses it´s attention on other, should the third team just stay put minding their own business? No, they should backstab the guys so hard they bleed for a month. Did something about opponent kitten you off, maybe it kitten off the 3rd party too? Go and do something about it! Everyone should use all the means they have available to them, including making alliances, turning coats, double teaming and all that jazz, the game would be a lot more interesting for it.
But no, somewhy it´s frowned upon, despite being completely natural result of how the game was designed. Somebody wins that way and people say they don´t deserve it. You know what? they beat you fair and square, they outplayed you, or more precisely they outplayed 2 opponents both in and out fo the game. Call it dishonorable and frown on it as much as you like, the fact remains that they deserve that victory, they did something more than the others, and therefore beat them.

I wish community would stop the white knight act, might be a politics scene would start to develop. Certainly would make things a lot more interesting.

Aside from that, foo on [REQ], we just wanted to defend a keep and they had to stroll in, zerg our 3 delayers with liek 150 peoplez and then they came out and there was like 30 of them, but they each had one more guy in their backpack so there was more like 50 of them and they completely zerged me, drank my blood and /danced on the corpse of my poor poor support ele. Bad conduct and totaly not fair and stuff!
(note: you´ll get correct values from forum posts when you divide them by 10.)

Intigo.1653:

Bombul.2506:

Intigo.1653:

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Elementalist mobility is still good, but its nowhere NEAR the best in the game.

Contradicted by the devs in their recent interview…something about mobility and skirmishing is supposed to be best accomplished by theives, and currently eles far outshining them in this aspect.

If they honestly said that and you’re not paraphrasing badly then they are simply incompetent.

They said it, and it proves once again that as usual, devs know nothing about pvp…like in every game ever.

rolos.7491:

However, it is hard to test accurately without important variables such as fury and might, which an elementalist has (almost) permanent access to.

You can do this manualy though. Formulas used for the calculator are displayed on the faq page, effect of fury is easy enough to count (add .20 for crit chance) and you can find formula for power per might stack and estimate how many stacks you consistently maintain.

Godomir.7159:

In fact this last week the only brutal zergs I saw were the aurora (TUP, KISS…) and Riverside (All germans in 1cm as usual) ones.

Hello there, can you say which day exactly TUP was seen zerging? I´m just curious to know as we usualy tend to avoid precisely that kind of behaviour.

Personaly i levelled ele from 0 to 80 with staff, and only thing i ever needed was glyph of storms in earth attunement.

Do your cc and jumpping around to gather mobs in a nice little pack, glyph of storms it in earth and you´ll have about 10 seconds of near invulnerability to nuke them down. If they´re still up after that, even slight kiting should keep you alive untill they die.

(gear doesn´t matter, works with both glass cannon and support setups atleast)

Puandro.3245:

Air AA is pretty garbage in actual PvP against good opponents, just run around the ele and watch his attack “miss” as he tries to hit you.

Try it when zerg diving in wvw after you´ve unloaded all your other skills in a quickness field.

Zaflis.7294:

edit: 300-600 max range on skills? Stops autoattack when you’re further than that, is just bs. Sorry, that’s enough elementalist for me. 1 level lower normal wolf do 1 attack at me for 50% hp. Bye bye, and see you on other class forums possibly.

Should i point out that if you use autoattacks, you´re doing something wrong.

LordByron.8369:

Because you have some short memory.

Some times ago Staff bunker ele was FOTM build next to guardians and thieves…

In 2 weeks the class disappeared almost completely from pvp……

So yes…destroyed…i m sure you can find even some “silly” glass cannon D/D ele but they are commonly considered uneffective by most PvP teams.

That is not even MY opinion…..just open PvP forum and look for some feedback from known players.

Like i said, destroyed solo staff, spvp is nothing but a solo game.

Mank.2183:

Again, you’re misunderstanding me. That specific comment was directed to Strang.8170, I haven’t meant to portray that everyone wants everything handed to them.

And yet you don´t love me enough to reply… love me kitten love me!

Those ignorant people who think it´s lazy to want account bound, what are you smoking because i want that kitten too. Doing something that feels like work in a videogame that is made, bought and consumed for enjoyment purposes is bad, simple as that. We´re willing to work for our titles/skills/etc. once, so that we feel we´ve achieved something and to make those rewards have more oomph factor. We´re not willing to work and work and work for it all over again everytime we want to change our playing experience by changing characters.

Intigo.1653:

“destroyed staff”

You write some truly silly things, LordByron.

Destroyed solo staff and i can agree, but yea, silly little byron.

Mank.2183:

Strang.8170:

Little more grind added to multiple little grinds, even if it´s “just a little grind” doesn´t mean it´s ok.

You want everything just handed to you don’t you.

There´s this thing that this is a guild wars game.
Some of us were fans of gw1. We liked what it was like. It was very alt friendly, we could easily gear up our alts, we could focus on trying new things and builds, we could tinker with whole character, from equipment to attributes and skills very easily to develop and create what we felt like was our character and what suited our playstyle.
To us, our character progression came not from game telling us that we´ve gained a new level, it came from how we played that character, how our skill builds and playstyle evolved, how we interacted with the game.

Now while this is gw2, and should not be exactly like gw1, i think it´s reasonable to want it hold atleast some core principals of what made gw1 the game we liked. Instead, we now have to go through a process of getting alt to 80, gearing him with exotics and now we can start experimenting with builds and stuff, but oh…we need to get different set of exotics if we want to try out different build, well better start grinding those again.
Personaly, i only started to get attached to my alt after i got him to level 80, started toying with the build and looks of the gear and actualy playing the thing i like most, wvw. Before that i had to just grind away at things i had already gone through with my main, same areas, same events, same mobs, same npcs. Aside from personal story (beginning of that anyway) there was very little unique about my playthrough. Skill set was a bit different, true enough, but i only began truly appreciate that after i had fully unlocked it along with traits.

So as matter of fact i don´t want everything handed to me, but i would like it to take less than months of casual play, all taken out of time i could´ve played things i like (wvw for example) to get an alt to point where i can actualy start playing with it. And furthermor, i´d like if i wasn´t made to go through same process of artificialy building my character and then another and another, everytime they release an update.

Geikamir.6329:

Strang.8170:

Tested it in pvp, it does stack.

So it’s 40% with it and protection, right?

43% to be exact.

Mank.2183:

Intigo.1653:

Making World XP (and by extension, titles / ranks) character bound over account bound is a horrible mistake.

Habib said it himself, “The best way to think of this system is as alternative/extended character progression.” You want pve xp to be account wide too?

Judging by how easy levelling is, the new system probably won’t be the end of the world either, and I’m looking forward to specialising on all of my alts. ANet have made it character specific for a reason, I’d guess that having it account wide takes away most of the meaning, for both the progression and specialisations they have planned.

Little more grind added to multiple little grinds, even if it´s “just a little grind” doesn´t mean it´s ok.

Progression can be done easily even with account bound, gw1 alliance battles show this well enough. Specialisations will not be permanent (atleast they better not be), so i would expect to be able to easily switch specialisations when you switch characer.

Personaly i don´t see good enough reasons for it to be character bound, but please point out exact reasons you think it´s would be better if character bound.

Nothing happened, people just took their heads out of their rear ends. No major buffs have happened, if somtehing they´ve done slight nerfs as time´s gone by. And still people who used to go lololo ele is UP, now go lololo d/d ele is OP.

Also might have to do with the fact that d/d is just plain fun to play.

Tested it in pvp, it does stack.

For those who think character bound is ok because it may be just a little grind to get there:

We do a little grind to get our alts to 80.
We do a little grind to gear our alts with exotics, and a little grind to get the looks we want.
We do a little grind to get our ascended rings,
a little grind to get the accessories,
and wait a month to get amulet.
Now we´re talking about little grind to get the rank and skills up.
What will be the next little grind we´ll be doing?

All those little grinds suddenly add up to a one kittening big grind….

Time needed to get top level gear already punishes experimenting with builds and not to mention switching class, but apparently it´s not hard enough punishment and we need yet another thing that discourages trying to play multiple characters…great….

If your group knows what it´s doing, ele (waterfield is the single best support you can have after maybe a time warp)
Otherwise, propably just up to your preference.

Staves give waterfield, single most useful thing anyone can throw down to support their team. Also, a lot of soft cc and ability to aoe spam like no tomorrow, great for defending chokes in wvw.

Apart from that, yes, staff user is in disadvantage against d/d, and against anything 1v1 or smallscale oriented. Staff is a support weapon (artillery is still support, so shut up about offensive staff)

Those are offerings bought from wayfarer foothills karma vendors for 16 copper each. They increase your stats by 6 and have 10 minutes duration. Duration stacks though, so basicly you could just buy a kitten ton and have infinite buff.

zTales.4392:

Strang.8170:

Chillax, not everyone is a power gamer.

Just because they´re not doing things optimal way, doesn´t mean they´re doing it wrong. Pve part of the game can be finished with pretty much anything, so let people have fun with their game the way the want.
If they get frustrated with the game, they´ll seek advice, or rage quit and roll a warrior.

That’s the point, though. I don’t want people to ragequit and roll something else. That’s why I directed this toward NEW Eles, so that they’re aware. Staying in Fire/Air, for example, can get you killed pretty easily. A person may then ragequit without bothering to try branching out to other attunements first. For all they know, they could have really enjoyed the class if they tried stance dancing. But nope, they just quit. :|

It´s their personal problem, if they don´t have the common sense to ask guidance and/or think it out, i say good riddance.

Chillax, not everyone is a power gamer.

Just because they´re not doing things optimal way, doesn´t mean they´re doing it wrong. Pve part of the game can be finished with pretty much anything, so let people have fun with their game the way the want.
If they get frustrated with the game, they´ll seek advice, or rage quit and roll a warrior.

You blasphemers, everyone knows true piken cat has glorious and radiant aura around it, those are just fakes and illusions!

I´m afraid our quest is not yet done and we shall spare no effort when serching for it. No tower or keep will hinder us if we suspect that the cat might be held there. Forces of evil shall fall if they seek to hinder our search!

Malcastus.6240:

Speaking of which. When people say “perma stuff”, I assume they keep it up all the time, neglecting gameplay and strategy. Not necessarily a good thing, unless you are running only with noone to fight.

Which just proves you don´t really know what you´re talking about.

Btw, that vigor trait might not keep vigor up every millisecond of the fight, but it does keep it up kitten near permanently.

Khenzy.9348:

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Sorry, most of our guild forces run team builds. Needless to say they´re not ideal in duels

Battle, energy and blood are i think the most solid choices for mainhand, but ther´s niche builds that can benefit from others, like 100% chance of critical after swapping etc.

Offhand is tricky because of the strange cooldown system, so it´s basicly, stacking sigil, force/accuracy or on kill effects.
Stacking sigil you should have on a spare weapon anyway. Bloodlust is most popular choice, but cond dmg or precision are nice boosts, precision one even more so if you use chance on crit kinda stuff (heal on crit food for example).
Force and accuracy are nice effects if you don´t really need other stuff, see above for why accuracy can be solid choice too.
On kill sigils can be awesome, but they do require the kill to activate, rendering them useless in many boss fights etc. Best one imho is stamina.

Gamblit.5041:

Wamgor.9347:

The mature and friendly roleplay WvW community is becoming toxic.

Its like a miracle on christmas eve appeared today out of nowhere.

I sure like to meet this guys. Does your imaginary RP WvW community also have members?

You obviously haven´t seen our toggle walk charges, pirate boats or storytimes around a campfire.
Have you perhaps seen the cat kind sir?

Jade sea is definately going up to compete with other hugely populated servers.
Baruch is going to drop a tier or two.
Ar is going up and no doubt will stay at t3-4.

As for piken, judging by recent developement, it will end up in free fall sooner or later (more likely sooner). Bandwagoneering broke piken way of playing and it´s already starting to show in game.

If they properly add laurel rewards to other achievements it might be ok.

As of now, 3 months to get one set of rings and amulet…it certainly is NOT acceptable amount of time to gear up in a game that supposedly encourages to swap builds and try out different things.

Matt H.6142:

And for those talking about having more freedom and tactics, I want to hear them. I can see why you’d be happy for the ranged immobilize, but then you’re gonna be switching to another attunement I’d imagine and waste magnetic leap. Or maybe you use flash for a closer making the leap wasted again.

You´re not wasting leap, you´re choosing to only use immobilize (which doesn´t use utility slot), and gain full benefit from that part. Previously you could not, now you can and you can use it old way too (even if a bit slower)
If you want to use leap part too:
You can immobilize as your opening move when going earth, change target do eq, rof or ce, tap leap again and switch to other attunement, water for example which normaly would lack mobility tool. You could do this with old too, but lot slower and big chance of self root, and no real benefit from immobilize.
You can cast it on downed in a sideline and leave it as a escape tool.

Maybe people don´t like more control over their skills….then again, some like daughter, some like mother….

I like shocking aura sound…well, i like annoying the kitten out of people with it anyway.

Personaly i noticed aura effects showing more often after the patch, not completely fixed though.

I love the new version, give alot more freedom and neat trick to do with the skill. I don´t see it being a lot slower in doing what it used to do eiher, and it has become hell of a lot more reliable.

Also….could the trolls crying nerf!1!!11! please stop, nobody actualy believes you and you´re cluttering the thread.

Nope, not a qq thread.

But has anyone actualy tested what it does?

Personaly i ran a little test(about 500 reps) and got around 8% chance of activation, activations happened both on normal and critical hits. As these crit% values are usualy round numbers, i´d guess actual chance is either 10% or 5%.
Any other results.

(also worth noting that when consumable wasn´t widely known i seem to recall far higher chance of activation, but can´t be sure as i didn´t test it back then)

ps. dear moderator, please don´t move this to some random forum somewhere, this is relevant to wvw as only wvwer even knows what skale venom is.

Comaetilico.3645:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blessing_Of_Bear

20 power for 10 minutes… not that much

That´s from dredge haunt cliffs, it´s food buff (notice the nourishment sign), so it overrides your food.
Blessing spoken of earlier are unique buffs in that they don´t override anything, much like skale venom, and offer far less stats (+6 apparently).

ThiBash.5634:

Then you’re both doing something wrong. First of all, the glyph has a 120 seconds cooldown (96 with trait) which kicks in the second your elemental goes down. Second, even if you disregard all the other options your elite skill has, your Air Elemental can spam a ranged stun every few seconds. Tell me, how is that NOT useful in WvW?

It´s too unrealiable, you need stuns when they matter, not randomly in a fight. Ice elementals field force you to certain locations, which needless to say is bad for mobility focused profession. Earth doesn´t achieve anyhing really, and fire ones lack of ranged damage makes it practicaly 0 dps.
Elemental can potentialy rally all of the opposing team, should it die.
Stupid ai and slow movement in a fast paced gameplay makes elementals at most moderately useful, definately not elite material.

Yes, elites can be better than nothing, but nothing changes the fact that we have many utilities that would be more powerful than our elites.

Fuzzion.2504:

A couple of points is good. How much are they and can u buy em from the TP?

Nope, can´t buy from TP as far as i know, but i´d imagine treck down to starter area is not all that hard.
Guildie mentioned something about 8c if i recall correctly, but migth´ve been some other item too.