But there are also a lot of players that are just as unhappy and not posting about it.
That is true. There are unhappy people out there who can’t/don’t want to post. But it’s more likely that they will complain opposed to unhappy or indifferent people who never complain. Therefore the people you see complaining on the forums are a fraction of an already small fraction. Therefore they must be in the minority.
Ummmm….what? This is the strangest logic I’ve heard yet. I did a very informal poll in all the main cities today, and found only 14% (7 of 52) have or will purchase if nothing changes. The others – and the five people in my household – are waiting for resolution. Again, not scientific, but to say those who are unhappy are the minority is not a slam-dunk conclusion.
You forget all the players in the main cities who didn’t respond to your little poll there. It’s safe to assume they’re indifferent about this subject.
you are a vocal minority, there are about 6 major websites with articles that disagree.
Those 6 articles were written by 6 people. That doesn’t mean they represent a majority. All they do is write about the vocal minority so more people can read what the vocal minority thinks.
6 people with a bigger audience than you maybe ?
The audience is certainly big. That doesn’t mean everone who reads their article is unhappy about the price. Most of them are happy or indifferent about the subject.
But there are also a lot of players that are just as unhappy and not posting about it.
That is true. There are unhappy people out there who can’t/don’t want to post. But it’s more likely that they will complain opposed to unhappy or indifferent people who never complain. Therefore the people you see complaining on the forums are a fraction of an already small fraction. Therefore they must be in the minority.
you are a vocal minority, there are about 6 major websites with articles that disagree.
Those 6 articles were written by 6 people. That doesn’t mean they represent a majority. All they do is write about the vocal minority so more people can read what the vocal minority thinks.
1) The majority of players do not post on the forums. That’s a fact.
2) That majority of non-forumgoers can either feel happy, indifferent or unhappy about the game.
3) It’s far more likely that the happy and indifferent players combined are a bigger portion than the unhappy players. Why? because if it was the other way around we would suddenly have a majority of players complaining on the forums since unhappy people are the only ones who complain…and that would interfere with sentence 1).
4) Therefore we can deduce that the complainers are in the minority.
As you can see we don’t need numbers to prove that. All it needs is logic and some common sense.
Also it doesn’t matter if you understand this or not (though I hope you will). All that matters is that Arenanet understands it.
I think before the announcement I’d posted less than a half a dozen times on the forums.
Since the announcement I’ve posted quite a few more, and have not been in-game except for a few minutes to gauge my guild’s reaction to it (it wasn’t “I can’t wait to spend $50 on this expansion!” for the record).
I just proved your logic incorrect.
What? no you didn’t.
The only thing you proved is that you’re an unhappy person who found his way to the forums to complain.
Also you’re still one person no matter how often you post on the forums.
You’re still in the minority.
edit: I’m not saying your complaints are invalid. Just saying that the complainers who post on the forum do not represent the majority. They represent the vocal minority.
This is already diving down, there are way less people complaining than a few days ago. Also here is a fact , majority of players are happy with pre purchase. I’m not talking about people on forum, I’m talking about people in game. Just go in game and ask at lion arch or any other major hubs. The majority of response I got are positive. People who are unhappy with the situation are more likely to go on forum and complain.
Anekdotal evidence isn’t. I could say the opposite. You do not have any numbers to show a majority, unless you have access to EAnet data.
Also, a lot depends on how you would phrase something like this.
Asking;‘Are you happy with your prepurchase’ would have a majority of people responding that actually purchased it, not those that are unhappy and holding out.
Please don’t engage in logical fallacies to make a point.
1) The majority of players do not post on the forums. That’s a fact.
2) That majority of non-forumgoers can either feel happy, indifferent or unhappy about the game.
3) It’s far more likely that the happy and indifferent players combined are a bigger portion than the unhappy players. Why? because if it was the other way around we would suddenly have a majority of players complaining on the forums since unhappy people are the only ones who complain…and that would interfere with sentence 1).
4) Therefore we can deduce that the complainers are in the minority.
As you can see we don’t need numbers to prove that. All it needs is logic and some common sense.
Also it doesn’t matter if you understand this or not (though I hope you will). All that matters is that Arenanet understands it.
So these “3 maps” are just verdant brink’s biomes? Well as great of map it may be, it’s nowhere near x-pac worthy pve addition. I do hope and expect for it to be more, much more.
I honestly suspect something along 5 pve zones (each with 3 biomes) + golden city. And that’s my base expectation, not be be mistaken with “royal treat”.
No, you got it wrong. No one knows the exact number of maps. Each map will feature 3 biomes. There’s going to be a minimum of two maps, possibly more.
…Are you paying money in order to get the core game ? The answer is yes.
You can say you are paying for the expansion until you’re blue in the face but the core game is bundles in with the expansion that you are paying for, thus it is not free.
Agreed. If the core game was truly free, it would be available as a free download on their website. It is no more free than an infomercial that offers extra things for “free” if you order Right Now!
But that is absolutely unnecessary. Why would you buy the core game if you can buy the expansion for a lower price and get the core game for free in the process?
Of course it’s free. You pay 50$ for the expansion. The core game is thrown in for free. They could have also charged new players another 20$ (for the core game) on top of the 50$. That wouldn’t have been free.
The core game is for free when you purchase HoT. That’s a fact.
Thrown in free along with an expansion means it’s a bundled package.
No it’s a free bonus. You only pay for HoT. If you happen to be a new player you get the core game thrown in for free.
As of now, everyone pays for HoT and only HoT and the people who don’t own the core game yet get it thrown after for free.
Correct, currently the expansion comes with the base game rolled in to it for ‘free’ regardless of which package you purchase.
If its part of the bundle in which you are paying money for it is not free. It is now a feature of the bundle, the Revenant is not free, the maps are not free, the specialization is not free even if they tell you it is. You are paying to receive it.
But all the things you listed are part of the expansion, not the core game. Of course they are not free. Unless you meant the old maps and the old specializations. Those are free if you’re a new player.
Are you paying money in order to get the core game ? The answer is yes.
You can say you are paying for the expansion until you’re blue in the face but the core game is bundles in with the expansion that you are paying for, thus it is not free.
Of course it’s free. You pay 50$ for the expansion. The core game is thrown in for free. They could have also charged new players another 20$ (for the core game) on top of the 50$. That wouldn’t have been free.
The core game is for free when you purchase HoT. That’s a fact.
Correct, currently the expansion comes with the base game rolled in to it for ‘free’ regardless of which package you purchase.
If its part of the bundle in which you are paying money for it is not free. It is now a feature of the bundle, the Revenant is not free, the maps are not free, the specialization is not free even if they tell you it is. You are paying to receive it.
But all the things you listed are part of the expansion, not the core game. Of course they are not free. Unless you meant the old maps and the old specializations. Those are free if you’re a new player.
Again with the “insecure” bit. If all you have are insults then have no argument or justification for defending Anet’s shady business tactics. Logic is lost on you.
Does Anet know you’re handing out free HoT weekends?
Being insecure is not an insult. I’m often insecure of what I’m doing. I usually apply the “wait and see” approach. I’m sorry if you feel this is an insult.
I’m not handing out free HoT weekends. I never said I would. It’s just a suggestion that might help people who’re on the fence whether to buy HoT or not.
I really don’t know why you are so worked up. Just to quote my original post again in which I tried to offer you a solution:
If you’re insecure about how much HoT has to offer, don’t preorder. Wait until release, watch some reviews, maybe there’s even going to be a “free to play weekend” and purchase later. Problem solved.
“insecure”? HoT has offered nothing yet, but they demand full payment in advance. And as far as a “free to play weekend” do you work for Anet to make such concessions? If not then stop making things up.
Would you give your money up and sign a contract to purchase a car before you know what kind of car, or even if it’s a running car.
HoT has offered nothing yet? C’mon…put some effort into your arguments.
They do not demand payment. No one demands anything from you. It’s your choice whether to preorder or not.
I’m not working for Arenanet. It was just an idea. Could help some people in their decision whether to purchase HoT or not. I’m not making things up.
No one forces you to preorder HoT. Just wait and see how it turns out. Is that so difficult for you?
Just what has HoT offered that is not subject to change?
“Could help some people in their decision whether to purchase HoT or not.” That is exactly what you trying to do. You’re trying to sway people’s decisions on whether or not to purchase HoT based on your BS LIE!
Everything is subject to change and we all know that. HoT has offered a list of features. You can find the list on their homepage. It’s certainly not “nothing” like you said.
I’m not trying to sway people’s decisions. I said “wait and see how it turns out”. That’s the exact opposite of telling you whether to buy it or not.
I’m simply saying that we don’t know the full content list of HoT and therefore can’t say whether $50 is a reasonable price or not. I’m also offering a solution: if you’re insecure about purchasing HoT, don’t preorder. Wait until it releases and you’ll have an easier time making up your mind. Maybe Arenanet will even do a free to play weekend where you can try out HoT for a couple of days for free.
Where do you see a BS lie? I don’t see one.
If it’s all subject to change then clearly HoT has promised nothing. You can not say for a fact what if anything is in HoT. The only thing we know for FACT is that Anet is charging full purchase price upfront for something that is entirely subject to change.
“Maybe Arenanet will even do a free to play weekend where you can try out HoT for a couple of days for free.” Again do you know this for FACT? NO? Then “maybe” you should stop telling people this.
Then don’t preorder. Like I already said numerous times: If you’re insecure, don’t preorder. Preorders are for people who’re confident that everything’s going to turn out to their satisfaction.
Can’t you read? I said “Maybe Anet will do free to play weekends”. That’s not a fact. I simply tried to offer a solution. Maybe there’s going to be one of those weekends and it might help you in your decision on whether to buy HoT or not.
“insecure”? HoT has offered nothing yet, but they demand full payment in advance. And as far as a “free to play weekend” do you work for Anet to make such concessions? If not then stop making things up.
Would you give your money up and sign a contract to purchase a car before you know what kind of car, or even if it’s a running car.
HoT has offered nothing yet? C’mon…put some effort into your arguments.
They do not demand payment. No one demands anything from you. It’s your choice whether to preorder or not.
I’m not working for Arenanet. It was just an idea. Could help some people in their decision whether to purchase HoT or not. I’m not making things up.
No one forces you to preorder HoT. Just wait and see how it turns out. Is that so difficult for you?
Just what has HoT offered that is not subject to change?
“Could help some people in their decision whether to purchase HoT or not.” That is exactly what you trying to do. You’re trying to sway people’s decisions on whether or not to purchase HoT based on your BS LIE!
Everything is subject to change and we all know that. HoT has offered a list of features. You can find the list on their homepage. It’s certainly not “nothing” like you said.
I’m not trying to sway people’s decisions. I said “wait and see how it turns out”. That’s the exact opposite of telling you whether to buy it or not.
I’m simply saying that we don’t know the full content list of HoT and therefore can’t say whether $50 is a reasonable price or not. I’m also offering a solution: if you’re insecure about purchasing HoT, don’t preorder. Wait until it releases and you’ll have an easier time making up your mind. Maybe Arenanet will even do a free to play weekend where you can try out HoT for a couple of days for free.
“insecure”? HoT has offered nothing yet, but they demand full payment in advance. And as far as a “free to play weekend” do you work for Anet to make such concessions? If not then stop making things up.
Would you give your money up and sign a contract to purchase a car before you know what kind of car, or even if it’s a running car.
HoT has offered nothing yet? C’mon…put some effort into your arguments.
They do not demand payment. No one demands anything from you. It’s your choice whether to preorder or not.
I’m not working for Arenanet. It was just an idea. Could help some people in their decision whether to purchase HoT or not. I’m not making things up.
No one forces you to preorder HoT. Just wait and see how it turns out. Is that so difficult for you?
I think it’s alway a struggle between offering veterans familiar locations to rediscover and designing new areas to expand the world. I tend to be happier if the latter happens. Nostalgia usually wears off fast.
I’m not disappointed with the price of HoT because currently there’s no way for me to find out how much content HoT includes.
Maybe they also chose the Maguuma Jungle because they already did some babysteps towards developing it prior to Launch. We know for sure there used to be more portals in Brisban Wildlands in some early beta builds and there’s also Artwork from Ketai Kotaki that showed Jungle Dragons and Minions. And that was all done before the launch of GW2.
Almost completely stopped playing due to lack of content, and now you have ensured that I will definitely not be coming back. Bye bye!
By giving you more content? The very lack thereof that made you almost stop playing?
Jeez, the logic of some people..
What content? What little (and I mean little) Anet has told us about this expansion is that it’s all subject to change. So we don’t know what they are really selling us do we. Anet could choose not include anything and hide it in yet another Gem-store transaction. Anet is by no means “giving” anything away.
If you’re insecure about how much HoT has to offer, don’t preorder. Wait until release, watch some reviews, maybe there’s even going to be a “free to play weekend” and purchase later. Problem solved.
Hot Vanilla (nothing added) for $35 would have went over really well. I think a large majority would have slapped down the credit card and purchased it right away. That missing fourth purchasing option is what created all the havok this week.
This is basically what I think they should have done, too. This or the character slot thing (which I do not think “necessary” just because a class was added, but DO think it would cover the price disparity).
Maybe…but I wouldn’t be so sure. Even if they sold HoT for 35$ some people would have kept complaining, just not as many. The moral of the story is: people will always complain because people always want more for less. It’s a universal thing happening everywhere all the time.
As long as we don’t know everything HoT has to offer (and for example telling us how many zones HoT will include could help) there’s no way we can say whether 50$ is a fair price or not.
Almost completely stopped playing due to lack of content, and now you have ensured that I will definitely not be coming back. Bye bye!
By giving you more content? The very lack thereof that made you almost stop playing?
Jeez, the logic of some people..
Except they’re not giving it. They charge the price of a full game for it. It probably has less content than a full game and they ticked existing players off by throwing the core game with it for free for new players but not giving them a discount.
Did you expect it to be free? Of course you have to pay for it.
“It probably has less content”. Yeah, you don’t know how much content it has, no one knows.
They didn’t tick me off for giving new players the core game for free. I’m actually happy for the new players. It helps the game to grow.
Yes it is, maddoctor. HoT ain’t a dlc/expansion/addon. Can’t be. 2-3 maps and 1 profession is a bit shabby.
IT won’t be just 2-3 maps that’s insane
I think someone mentioned 3-5 maps in one of those youtube interviews, not sure though. Maybe someone has a link and a time?
No one except Arenanet knows how many maps HoT will contain. All we know is that it’s going to be at least two maps (Verdant Brink + Jungle map). People who say 3-5 maps are just speculating. If they knew the exact number of maps they would give an exact number and not say 3 to 5.
Don’t go too fast with your beta or you risk finishing the whole expansion before you even install the game. The whole expansion has only 3 explorable zones in it equal in surface area of 4 and a half GW 2 maps. Enjoy your wise investment people.
Where did you get this information? I’m genuinely interested.
A friend of mine read about the 3 zone in an article he is still looking for again because I also want to read it, I will ask him again today and keep my old replies updated.
Everything else in the expansion which I nicknamed Living Story 3 is exactly what it feels like to me. For those of us who buy it, yes even me but below $30 this insult of an expansion will only last us a month even at a slow pace.
He probably read about the fact that every zone will have 3 biomes (canopy, floor, roots). As far as I know the total amount of different zones is currently unknown. Only the Verdant Brink has been revealed so far.
You don’t know how long it will last or how much money it’s worth.
Don’t go too fast with your beta or you risk finishing the whole expansion before you even install the game. The whole expansion has only 3 explorable zones in it equal in surface area of 4 and a half GW 2 maps. Enjoy your wise investment people.
Where did you get this information? I’m genuinely interested.
In the end it all boils down to the simple fact that a minority of players are unhappy with the price.
Some of them have the decency to say it directly as in “I think $50 is too much for HoT, I’d rather pay $40” but most have some long winded-version of it talking about “not getting enough value for their money” or “the price would be ok if they thrown in a character slot” or “it would be ok if new players get less in comparison” or “it would be ok if they added gems” and so on. But clearly it’s not ok for them since all those criteria are not met.
It’s basically the most boring discussion you can have between a developer and a customer. If you don’t like the price of HoT, don’t buy it. That simple.
nah, we are beyond that. There IS no choice to get the core game alone.
There is no fantastic deal when you have no choice. that’s pretty simple to understand.
Why would you choose the core game without expansion if you get the core game for free by buying the expansion? If the expansion content bothers you , just don’t venture into the new zones.
nah, we are beyond that. There IS no choice to get the core game alone.
There is no fantastic deal when you have no choice. that’s pretty simple to understand.
Why would you choose the core game without expansion if you get the core game for free by buying the expansion? If the expansion content bothers you , just don’t venture into the new zones.
There’s nothing wrong with posting like a whiny child, and posting like that doesn’t make it not critical. If you have a problem with the way people post on this forum, report them, or don’t read what they have to say. The worst thing you can do when confronted with people who post like whiny children is to go full force against them or criticize them. If you don’t, the storm blows over, if you do, expect 1000+ post threads of pointless reiteration that make the company look bad.
And of course you can try to haggle for the price. The fact that people are doing it proves that. It’s probably pointless, sure, but so is pointing out that it is pointless. It all just perpetuates the pointlessness and it makes the community look bad.
In short, if you support ANet, the worst thing you can do is argue with disappointed people, because you can’t win and you actively contribute to making magnificent mountains out of insignificant molehills.
I’m not going “full force” against them. It’s actually rather the other way around. Also I’m not trying to “win”. I just try to camly explain to them that their whiny complaints are motivated by petty envy and a wrong sense of entitlement. It’s a good excercise on my way of becoming a Jedi Master.
Just like this Ricky fellow. I’m using him as practice right now.
but yeah, where can I get the version without heart of thorns, my neighbor just wants to make videos of me scared to put on youtube, please help.
You can’t. You simply pay 50$ and get everything GW2 has to offer including new content. It’s up to you how much of that content you want to explore. They already give you the core game for free and it can’t go cheaper than that.
but i just want the main program. I don’t want the scary expansion. where do i get that on the official site ? i don’t want it there, my neighbor is mean and might bring my character there when i’m not home. as i understand it, there is guildwars core, and hot the expansion. I just want guildwars core please.
You can buy it for 50$. It contains all the old zones plus the new HoT-content. Simply ignore the latter and don’t venture into the new zones.
While I don’t feel entitled to anything. I feel a kitteneated with them being so stingy to the point that they would not include an extra character slot with the standard versions, at least for veteran players. This isn’t me feeling entitled. It’s me holding them to their own standard. They’ve always included an extra character slotin their expansions, which by the way had much more content and were priced the same or cheaper. I’m not angry about them including the base game. That’s a great deal for new players and is a great way to bring in new players. I would love to see this game expand. But come on. At least show you’re thinking of veterans. I honestly think something as small as the extra slot in the standard would have helped avoid all of this.
Okay… still not seeing it. Maybe you can bold the section you’re referring to?
There you go. He feels entitled to an extra character slot.
thank you, but the ad says it’s 2 products, I just want the main one without the flying, thats scary. they are 2 different products right ?
I can win this argument in two ways. First, nowhere does it say it’s two products. It’s one game that receives an update in form of an expansion. The expansion is seamlessly incorporated into the game. Therefore one product.
Secondly, even if it was two different products you can simply chose not to fly or to go to the new HoT-zones.
Since you already own the game you can simply choose not to buy HoT. As a result you’ll never get confronted with scary flying.
The only reason this has escalated is the preponderance of posters who think they can argue with opinion and are doing so in the same or worse tone than the people posting critically.
That’s exactly his point. They are not posting critically. They are posting like whiny children who get upset tummies because they’re not getting what they want. This is not a bazaar. You can’t haggle for the price. If you want HoT you need to shelve out 50$ no matter if you’re a veteran or a new player.
Hi, I’m new, I saw the stuff about hearts of thorns, but i’m scared of flying and heights, I’d like to buy the original guild wars 2 without the scary expansion.
where can I find the un-expanded version of guildwars 2 on the official guildwars2 site please ?
You can’t. But what you can do is pay for HoT get the core game for free and choose not to go to the new zones. It’s the financially most feasible solution.
While I don’t feel entitled to anything. I feel a kitteneated with them being so stingy to the point that they would not include an extra character slot with the standard versions, at least for veteran players. This isn’t me feeling entitled. It’s me holding them to their own standard. They’ve always included an extra character slot in their expansions, which by the way had much more content and were priced the same or cheaper. I’m not angry about them including the base game. That’s a great deal for new players and is a great way to bring in new players. I would love to see this game expand. But come on. At least show you’re thinking of veterans. I honestly think something as small as the extra slot in the standard would have helped avoid all of this.
While I don’t feel entitled to anything. I feel a kitteneated with them being so stingy to the point that they would not include an extra character slot with the standard versions, at least for veteran players. This isn’t me feeling entitled. It’s me holding them to their own standard. They’ve always included an extra character slot in their expansions, which by the way had much more content and were priced the same or cheaper. I’m not angry about them including the base game. That’s a great deal for new players and is a great way to bring in new players. I would love to see this game expand. But come on. At least show you’re thinking of veterans. I honestly think something as small as the extra slot in the standard would have helped avoid all of this.
Yes, but this argument has already been invalidated several times. You didn’t get enough character slots to make one of each profession when GW2 launched and you’re not getting one now.
The fact that there’s a new profession and the fact that you used up all character slots are two separate events that are in no way connected with eachother.
Also keep in mind that there are some veterans who still have character slots left. Or don’t mind deleting an old character.
An opinion can’t be invalidated unless it is proven to be based upon entirely wrong premises. In every other case, it can only be disagreed with.
Yes it can be. I just did it. It’s a silly argument to say “they owe as a character slot because of new profession”. They don’t. For reasons that were stated numerous times.
That’s indeed a silly argument, but why are we talking about this? No one made that argument in the quote train we’re in now.
I can do one too!
It’s a silly argument to say “all trees are blue because birds have 2 legs”.
Because you’re deliberately not quoting the part I was refering to. See JobHand’s Post.
While I don’t feel entitled to anything. I feel a kitteneated with them being so stingy to the point that they would not include an extra character slot with the standard versions, at least for veteran players. This isn’t me feeling entitled. It’s me holding them to their own standard. They’ve always included an extra character slot in their expansions, which by the way had much more content and were priced the same or cheaper. I’m not angry about them including the base game. That’s a great deal for new players and is a great way to bring in new players. I would love to see this game expand. But come on. At least show you’re thinking of veterans. I honestly think something as small as the extra slot in the standard would have helped avoid all of this.
Yes, but this argument has already been invalidated several times. You didn’t get enough character slots to make one of each profession when GW2 launched and you’re not getting one now.
The fact that there’s a new profession and the fact that you used up all character slots are two separate events that are in no way connected with eachother.
Also keep in mind that there are some veterans who still have character slots left. Or don’t mind deleting an old character.
An opinion can’t be invalidated unless it is proven to be based upon entirely wrong premises. In every other case, it can only be disagreed with.
Yes it can be. I just did it. It’s a silly argument to say “they owe us a character slot because of new profession”. They don’t. For reasons that were stated numerous times.
While I don’t feel entitled to anything. I feel a kitteneated with them being so stingy to the point that they would not include an extra character slot with the standard versions, at least for veteran players. This isn’t me feeling entitled. It’s me holding them to their own standard. They’ve always included an extra character slot in their expansions, which by the way had much more content and were priced the same or cheaper. I’m not angry about them including the base game. That’s a great deal for new players and is a great way to bring in new players. I would love to see this game expand. But come on. At least show you’re thinking of veterans. I honestly think something as small as the extra slot in the standard would have helped avoid all of this.
Yes, but this argument has already been invalidated several times. You didn’t get enough character slots to make one of each profession when GW2 launched and you’re not getting one now.
The fact that there’s a new profession and the fact that you used up all character slots are two separate events that are in no way connected with eachother.
Also keep in mind that there are some veterans who still have character slots left. Or don’t mind deleting an old character.
You won’t weasel your way out of this. What is the worth of Guild Wars 2?
If you separate the game into core and expansion: core value is zero. expansion is 50$
If you see it as one big game that is being updated by HoT: 50$
So the game is free? I will be able to open free accounts when HoT drops? I don’t think so.
No, it’s not free. It’s 50$ in both scenarios I listed.
Thus you are acknoledging that Anet is selling 2 different products at the same price.
You did say “both scenarios”.
And you also said that the value is different, since you said that the Core Game is not free.
No, I simply offered two different scenarios to accomodate the person who asked the question. Personally, I see the game as one big game with a core-part and and HoT-part. The core-part being a free bonus if you purchase HoT.
To answer the question again “what is the worth of Guild Wars 2”. It’s 50$. That’s how much you have to pay to play Guild Wars 2 with all its features once HoT releases.
But last week was 40 euros. Sometimes even 10. now they say HoT is 50. And HoT+Gw2 is 50. So gw2 is zero? If not zero, how much?
GW2 (core plus HoT) is not zero. It’s 0$+50$.
You suck at math.
Sorry, you can’t have it your way, it’s either zero or 50.
That’s why I said IF you see the game as two seperate parts (core + expansion) it’s 0$+50$. Otherwise it’s just 50$. The old content just becomes significantly less valuable once HoT hits and thus is given away for free if you purchas HoT (or GW2 2.0 however you want to call it)
So it’s zero when HoT is out?
Then it should be given out for free.
Or it’s not zero, and veterans should get something of the same value so that both packages have the same value.
It is given for free. New players get it for free if they purchase HoT. The value of HoT is $50. If you already own the core game then you can safely ignore that since you already enjoyed it for years.
Again, what is your problem exactly? Everyone pays 50$ and everyone gets HoT.
You won’t weasel your way out of this. What is the worth of Guild Wars 2?
If you separate the game into core and expansion: core value is zero. expansion is 50$
If you see it as one big game that is being updated by HoT: 50$
So the game is free? I will be able to open free accounts when HoT drops? I don’t think so.
No, it’s not free. It’s 50$ in both scenarios I listed.
Thus you are acknoledging that Anet is selling 2 different products at the same price.
You did say “both scenarios”.
And you also said that the value is different, since you said that the Core Game is not free.
No, I simply offered two different scenarios to accomodate the person who asked the question. Personally, I see the game as one big game with a core-part and and HoT-part. The core-part being a free bonus if you purchase HoT.
To answer the question again “what is the worth of Guild Wars 2”. It’s 50$. That’s how much you have to pay to play Guild Wars 2 with all its features once HoT releases.
But last week was 40 euros. Sometimes even 10. now they say HoT is 50. And HoT+Gw2 is 50. So gw2 is zero? If not zero, how much?
GW2 (core plus HoT) is not zero. It’s 0$+50$.
You suck at math.
Sorry, you can’t have it your way, it’s either zero or 50.
That’s why I said IF you see the game as two seperate parts (core + expansion) it’s 0$+50$. Otherwise it’s just 50$. The old content just becomes significantly less valuable once HoT hits and thus is given away for free if you purchas HoT (or GW2 2.0 however you want to call it)
You won’t weasel your way out of this. What is the worth of Guild Wars 2?
If you separate the game into core and expansion: core value is zero. expansion is 50$
If you see it as one big game that is being updated by HoT: 50$
So the game is free? I will be able to open free accounts when HoT drops? I don’t think so.
No, it’s not free. It’s 50$ in both scenarios I listed.
Thus you are acknoledging that Anet is selling 2 different products at the same price.
You did say “both scenarios”.
And you also said that the value is different, since you said that the Core Game is not free.
No, I simply offered two different scenarios to accomodate the person who asked the question. Personally, I see the game as one big game with a core-part and and HoT-part. The core-part being a free bonus if you purchase HoT.
To answer the question again “what is the worth of Guild Wars 2”. It’s 50$. That’s how much you have to pay to play Guild Wars 2 with all its features once HoT releases.
But last week was 40 euros. Sometimes even 10. now they say HoT is 50. And HoT+Gw2 is 50. So gw2 is zero? If not zero, how much?
GW2 (core plus HoT) is not zero. It’s 0$+50$. The core-part (aka old content) will become zero once HoT releases. HoT is 50$. You need to buy HoT (if you’re a new player) to access the zero value core game. If you’re a veteran than your core game has been invalidated since it’s already three years old.
An item value has usually little correlation with it’s price. ANet can only decide the item price. When ANet says the core game is given for free, anyone should know it’s bs and it’s actually paid for somewhere.
But it is for free. How can you not see that? If it’s paid from “somewhere” then tell us where that somewhere is.
Now the issue is that the core now is exclusively sold as a promotional gift when you buy HoT. Now, people (should) start asking : “if core is given for free, who paid for it?”
And since veterans do NOT receive a core GW2 from that purchase, in fact, they get nothing at all other than HoT, they easily come to the conclusion that they are the ones paying for it. And thus they get angry.
No it isn’t. I’m a veteran and I pay 50$ for HoT and that’s what I get. The new players also pay 50$. Everyone pays the same. My money is not being funneled to the new players.
No one pays for the free core game. If you are a veteran you already paid for it years ago. If you are a new player you only have to pay for HoT and get the core game for free. It’s that simple, really.
You won’t weasel your way out of this. What is the worth of Guild Wars 2?
If you separate the game into core and expansion: core value is zero. expansion is 50$
If you see it as one big game that is being updated by HoT: 50$
So the game is free? I will be able to open free accounts when HoT drops? I don’t think so.
No, it’s not free. It’s 50$ in both scenarios I listed.
Thus you are acknoledging that Anet is selling 2 different products at the same price.
You did say “both scenarios”.
And you also said that the value is different, since you said that the Core Game is not free.
No, I simply offered two different scenarios to accomodate the person who asked the question. Personally, I see the game as one big game with a core-part and and HoT-part. The core-part being a free bonus if you purchase HoT.
To answer the question again “what is the worth of Guild Wars 2”. It’s 50$. That’s how much you have to pay to play Guild Wars 2 with all its features once HoT releases.
I love how Jongi is telling people to drop it when he STILL hasn’t provided proof that everyone is being entitled and just want something for free. Sad.
This whole thread isnt proof enough? What about all the other forums? What proof are you looking for exactly? The only thing that is really apparent is that you guys are salty because you see someone is getting core game files when they purchase HoT.
actually, we aren’t salty. It’s just that you are too delusional to acknowledge that the value of those core game files and the right to play them is worth more than zero.
But that’s not for you to decide. It’s arenanets decision (or NCsoft I guess) how much they want to sell the content for.
Arenanet thinks the right to play those core game files is zero once HoT releases. Why do you have a problem with that?
To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.
Where is this located in the FAQ,Buy page, Terms of purchase?
I’m still waiting on the link from the place where you actually buy HoT, or get information about what you are about to purchase.
I’m sorry to tell you.
It’s advertised and sold as a bundle.
And until the wording changes and refunds go out.
That is a fact. Under the law.
Not an opinion.
It’s not sold as a bundle. It simply tries to inform a new player that he gets the core game for free when he purchases HoT. A bundle would be something like “pay 50$ for HoT and you get the core game for a reduced price”, I think Blizzard did this with their WoW-expansions. Even though the content was already out for years people had to purchase it albeit at a reduced price.
In this case they get it for free.
Again, I don’t see why you have a problem with that.
No one is buying the core game anymore. Veteran players buy HoT. New players buy HoT and get the core game for free.
No one buys for the core game anymore.
New players do not pay for the core game? Then someone else is paying for them. Since veteran players pay the same price for HoT than new players, they feel that THEY are paying for them. Which is why they are angry.
Yes, it’s possible. It’s happening right now. If you are a new player you get the core game for free if you purchase HoT. You pay for HoT you get the core game for free.
If you are not paying for the core game again, then why are you paying the same price as someone buying the core game?
You can use your printer to make all the money you want, that still doesn’t mean you know the value of a dollar kiddo.
No one is buying the core game anymore. Veteran players buy HoT. New players buy HoT and get the core game for free.
No one buys for the core game anymore.
I’m afraid you miss the point entirely.
This isn’t about older players being compensated for playing for a while. While that would be a nice gesture (and they do it in the form of birthday presents), that isn’t the problem.
The problem is people pay the same for the same product, and old players get 45€ worth of it (which is overpriced). New players get 84€ worth (assuming the “regular” price of 39€ for the core game). Thats the same as you going to the restaurant and the waiter serving you half a plate to you and a full plate to the guy on the next table.
And that’s what’s at stake here, its that old players not only aren’t being thanked for their continued support (which is the only reason they have an expac to sell, btw) but they’re being actually aggrieved.
It’s not overpriced. It IS the price. 50$ is the price you have to pay to play HoT. Everyone who arrived late at the party (aka new players) get the core game (the old content) for free. There’s nothing wrong about that. It happens everywhere.
Your restaurant example is also flawed. I’m not getting half the plate because I’m a veteran. I don’t get half of HoT. I get everything , just like the new players and we both pay the same price for it.
It’s not getting through because it’s false. It’s just Anet wording it that way, but the game is no longer in the shop, and last time it was it costed 40 euros. 20 or 10 during sales.
But why would you buy the core game as a new player if you get the core game AND HoT for 50$?
Existing users can not use the included base game. So it only makes sense to make up for it and the prevailing ask is for a character slot to actually play with the new profession.
Existing users don’t get a base game. The phrase “included base game” is aimed to inform new players that they don’t have to purchase the base game on top of HoT. You pay $50 for HoT and only for HoT. If you are a new player you also pay $50 for HoT and only for HoT but you get the base game thrown after you for free.
If you don’t like the fact that new players get the base game for free… I suggest you simply stop caring about what other people get.
riddle me this: if it says ‘includes base game’ but I don’t get it does it?
If you are a new player you get the base game.
If you already have the base game you don’t get it again since you already have it.
You are paying 50$ for HoT just like everyone else.
Yeah that what we did. Here is more or less how it went while thinking about the package : HoT is sold to new players with a copy of GW2 core. GW2 core even if not for sale anymore is still worth at least $20 currently so the value of the HoT part of the package is at around $30. But somehow, I won’t receive my GW2 core. So I’m buying a $30 item by paying $50. This won’t do, let’s complain!
Again, you’re basing your assumptions on what someone else gets. Just don’t do that, problem solved. If you on the other hand think that 50$ is too much for the content you(personally) get (which we don’t fully know yet) that would be ok.
