Guild Wars 2

Lyger.5429:

Jongi.7612:

Lyger.5429:

Jongi.7612:

Lyger.5429:

I think we need to stop replying to posts like these cause they clearly don’t see where others are coming from and just keep defending Arena and their purchase.

I see where people are coming from. And its wrong. Its not even an opinion at this point, they are saying “this certain thing is happening” when it really isnt.

Oh so this it about you being right and everyone else wrong? No wonder Anet thought they could get away with this,

If that helps you sleep at night, say whatever you want. But your just creating a scenario that doesnt exist. If im wrong prove it, me and so many other people have explained and where to go look about these things you guys keep bringing up. HoT is $50, your not getting anything more or less than a new player, and your not entitled to getting free stuff because you have been playing for 3 years.

Okay I’ll play your game, let’s say you’re right and I’m wrong. What do you lose if Anet does decide to compensate us?

You would lose nothing of course. But Arenanet doesn’t feel like they owe you something for having purchased the game in the past.
Would it be great if Arenanet compensated you? of course!
Do they have to? no, they don’t.

Menadena.7482:

Existing users can not use the included base game. So it only makes sense to make up for it and the prevailing ask is for a character slot to actually play with the new profession.

Existing users don’t get a base game. The phrase “included base game” is aimed to inform new players that they don’t have to purchase the base game on top of HoT. You pay $50 for HoT and only for HoT. If you are a new player you also pay $50 for HoT and only for HoT but you get the base game thrown after you for free.
If you don’t like the fact that new players get the base game for free… I suggest you simply stop caring about what other people get.

echo.2053:

Straylight.7529:

echo.2053:

so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoT

Tell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy

especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page

It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free if you’re a new player.

or they could have had a reduced HoT deal for existing players with the current price package for new players ( this is where the rage is stemming)

Its not bait and switch? so you have access to play on the second core game purchased through this promotion?

Again, stop thinking about what other people get. It’s none of your business if Bob gets a better deal because he’s a new player. All you have to ask yourself is “is HoT worth 50$ for ME”. That is something only you can decide and the answer should not be influenced if some other guy gets a free core game/character slot/mini/unicorn/whatever and you don’t.

You’ll be happier if you adopt this kind of non-envious thinking. Trust me.

You’re not purchasing a second core game. You are purchasing HoT. If you are a new player you get the core game for free.

echo.2053:

so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoT

Tell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy

especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page

It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free to the new players.

Solori.6025:

Which is by the language on the buy page
100% false.

The standard edition says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)
http://buy.guildwars2.com/store/gw2/en_US/html/pbPage.heartofthorns?_ga=1.150305589.243290696.1381912305&cid=90:5::::Global:40:::

The definition of include is-
to contain, as a whole does parts or any part or element:-

that means
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes ((see the definition))Guild Wars 2 core game)
A Bundle-bun·dle
?b?ndl/Submit
noun
1.
a collection of things

So try and put two an two together.

Sorry this isn’t an opinion, based on this buy page, it’s a matter of fact. This deal is in fact a bundle.
50$ gets you two things( or is supposed to)

Lastly, I asked you to prove that what I was saying was incorrect, that you are not supposed to get both the core and base game for 50$ based on the information provided from the main sale page and the FAQ.

I can only repeat myself. If you pay 50$ you get HoT. That is why you pay 50$. If you’re a new player you get the core game thrown in for free. That’s why it says “inlcudes the core game” so any new player who happens to browse that page knows “ohh ok, if I pay HoT I get the core game for free so I don’t have to pay on top of it”.

Why do you have a problem with that?

And no, it’s still not a bundle. You (as a veteran) pay 50$ for HoT, nothing more, nothing less.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.

echo.2053:

so tell me oh white knight how a brand new player can purchase hot and get a copy of gw2 core for the same price if its JUST HoT?

It has been said many times: if you’re a new player you pay 50$ and you get HoT plus the core game. A pretty good deal.

Changer the Elder.2948:

But what of other people? Not everyone’s a veteran of three years, some bought the game a month ago, under the influence of the original FAQ that said, verbatim, “core game is required to run the expansion.” They bought core game awaiting the expansion, and now they’re told “Well, suckers, you should have waited, now you can buy it AGAIN.” These players didn’t “experience the content veterans got,” they didn’t get “three years of free gaming.” They pay up again and for nothing. And it doesn’t matter if they paid 10 €uro, 20 €uro, or 2 cents. It’s wrong no matter the number, because it’s wrong on principle.

That is actually a valid complaint.

Solori.6025:

Here is my rebuttal

Show me on the faq or buy page where it says for new accounts only.

Show me on the FAQ or buy page where it says people who have had accounts do not get another one free.

Then after that, link me the definition of the word includes.

I have refuted the same point 3 times already, you’re being willfully ignorant.

Again, strawman argument. I’ve never claimed those things you’re now demanding me to “proof”. Read my post again (the previous one), try to understand. You’re not paying for the core game again or some bundle. You’re paying for HoT and only HoT. If you are a new player you get the core game thrown in for free.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

It’s not “entitlement” players just don’t want to spend more to get the base game they’ve already had for 2+ years. That’s it.

BTW, I bought the ultimate edition and I still think there are many valid criticisms about the price.

You’re not spending money to get the base game. You already have the base game. You spend money to get HoT. And HoT happens to be priced at 50$. If you think that’s too expensive, fine…that would be a different dicussion. But you’re not spending more money on the base game. In fact you get new features like the upcoming trait system for free…because they modify the base game.

Solori.6025:

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

the key word is includes.
it means that when you go to the page, you buy HoT and they are supposed to give you GW2 core also, because it is sold with HoT.

Regardless of whether you own gw2 or not, by the definition of the word includes, all customers who preorder are supposed to get gw2core and HoT.

That is what include means.

Does this explanation work? Is this easier to understand? Would it be easier to explain this in your native language, if so please say what it is and I will try and translate using google.

You’re seeing it the wrong way. They’re not selling you the core game plus HoT. They are selling you HoT. You just happen to get the core game for free (because it’s a prerequirement to access HoT) if you are a new player. The price for HoT is 50$

translating your post into a different language wouldn’t get rid of it’s logical flaws.

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

You paid for GW2 and the core game that you already purchased for 70$ 3 years ago. Really, it’s written on the page, it’s hard not to notice it.

Unless, you for it, then you activate it, and then Arena Net eats up your second core game.
Which has value. But it’s taken from you.
If you decide to upgrade an account you lose value.
Because of that , at the end of the day, you bought less than a new player for the same price. It’s that simple.

So it’s back to the whole value argument? That’s not what Solori was talking about. The fact still stands: if you purchase HoT for 50% you get the core game for free (so you can access HoT in the first place) if you don’t already own it.

I don’t care if a new player gets a better deal than I do. He’s a new player, let him have the better deal.

Well, if you don’t care about other players getting the equivalent of (at the very least) 10 euros(minimum price that Gw2 ever reached at the store)= 800 gems= 150 gold for free just because they are new players, even if they are paying the same price, it doesn’t mean that everyone else doesn’t.

Of course not. You’re entitled to your envy.

Jongi.7612:

Then I want to see you on the WoW forums saying that all the WoW expansions should be the price they were on release, protesting agaisnt steam for having sales and anything of the sort. ANet are doing the exact same things the other companies did regarding previous games and expansions or even older games. The scenario is no different.

Exactly. Arenanet offers you to access HoT for 50$ no matter if you already own the game or not. That’s what you pay for and that is what you get. You just happen to be in luck if you’re a new player but again…you missed out for three years.

Solori.6025:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

I think this is going way over your comprehension level.

Do you know what includes means?

Do you know what a bundle is?

Why is is relevant what you have or had from 3 years ago.

RIGHT NOW.

When you go to the buy page, what does it say for standard?

A simple thing called reading goes a long way.
But to reiterate.
It doesn’t matter if you bought the game 3 years ago or 2.
This bundle RIGHT NOW
says (includes Guild Wars 2 core game)
That means you are buying HoT and Gw2 Core.

It doesn’t say ANYWHERE ON THE FAQ OR BUY PAGE
You don’t get the core if you have one already.

So yes. YOU ARE buying a bundle when you buy HoT.

If English is not your first language please say so and I will use google translate to try and make this clearer.

Yes, the core game is included for free when you’re a new player. That’s what I’m saying all along. That’s what arenanet is saying. English is not my first language but I think it’s good enough to show you that your logic is simply wrong.

No matter if you’re a new player or a veteran, you’re paying for HoT which is in arenanets opinion worth 50$. If you’re a new player you simply get the base game thrown in for free. I really don’t understand why that is such an issue for you or for anyone actually.

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

You paid for GW2 and the core game that you already purchased for 70$ 3 years ago. Really, it’s written on the page, it’s hard not to notice it.

Unless, you for it, then you activate it, and then Arena Net eats up your second core game.
Which has value. But it’s taken from you.
If you decide to upgrade an account you lose value.
Because of that , at the end of the day, you bought less than a new player for the same price. It’s that simple.

So it’s back to the whole value argument? That’s not what Solori was talking about. The fact still stands: if you purchase HoT for 50% you get the core game for free (so you can access HoT in the first place) if you don’t already own it.

I don’t care if a new player gets a better deal than I do. He’s a new player, let him have the better deal.

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT and you’re telling me I just bought the base game again? what??

Galandil.9641:

Entenkommando.5208:

Kumion.7580:

Massively OP http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/18/why-guild-wars-2s-prepurchase-deal-has-the-internet-raging/

This is a wonderfully written article.

Every journalist that states “I think that $35, $50, and $75 for the three tiers, intact, would have made far more sense.” and then, after few words, states “But again, we’re talking about a few dollars here either way.” evidently isn’t even able to understand that from $50 to $35 there’s a HUGE difference of 30%. And that the starting price, in such a comparison, isn’t important, the important part is in the % difference.

The important part is how much money you have. Also the starting price IS important. It’s bascially Arenanet’s idea of how much value their expansion has. If the starting price weren’t important you couldn’t even apply the % modifiers.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

I mean just think about it for a second.

No, you think about it. The core game has a value. If it is free for new players, that only means either someone else is paying that cost, or that the cost has been included in something else.

So, i have to ask – if it is really free for new players, who pays for it? Because someone most certainly does. And no, it’s not Anet.

There is no core game anymore. HoT is the new core game. The new most-updated version of the game everyone is going to play in the near future. Everyone pays 50$ to access that version no matter if you already have the game or not. There’s nothing wrong about that.

Soon you can’t purchase the “core” game anymore without purchasing HoT (why would you, you get more for the same price) therefore your argument of “the core game has a value and someone pays for it” is invalid.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

You feel like you should receive more for already owning the game.

No. You think he should receive less because of it. And that is a discrimination.

No, that’s not what I think. I simply think that it’s ok if a new player gets more as an incentive to buy the game and missing out on three years of fun. That is not discrimination.

KGS.9842:

Straylight.7529:

KGS.9842:

Straylight.7529:

Yes, that is correct. You get less value than the new players. But since you’re not a new player it shouldn’t concern you in the first place. Don’t think so hard about what “other people” get. Just ask yourself whether HoT is worth your money or not.

it actually concerns me (us) because both me and the new player are paying the same price for the same product in the same time period; that is simply put discrimination

You’re not being discriminated, jeez…
Yes, everyone gets treated the same way. Just like you said. You’re nothing special for already owning the game.

ok so a new player gets a free bonus, and i get nothing for the same purchase
and that’s not discrimination?
if everyone got treated the same way, with my purchase I would have one key for HoT + one key for the core game

No, it’s not discrimination. The new player gets free stuff as an incentive to join a game that has already been running for three years. In my opinion that’s a good thing. You feel like you should receive more for already owning the game. Arenanet obviously doesn’t share that feeling. Nor do I.

KGS.9842:

Straylight.7529:

Yes, that is correct. You get less value than the new players. But since you’re not a new player it shouldn’t concern you in the first place. Don’t think so hard about what “other people” get. Just ask yourself whether HoT is worth your money or not.

it actually concerns me (us) because both me and the new player are paying the same price for the same product in the same time period; that is simply put discrimination

You’re not being discriminated, jeez…
Yes, everyone gets treated the same way. Just like you said. You’re nothing special for already owning the game.

phys.7689:

Straylight.7529:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Jongi.7612:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

No, your paying for HoT. New players arent getting EVERYTHING GW2 has to offer and thats what I have been trying to explain. They arent getting to experience what Vets already have, new players wont be able to experience no longer existing content. New players get pretty much a watered down old world where you have to pay to see anything past your personal story and a much lower amount of hours played. They get access to dungeons and such, crafting and world events and thats pretty much it.

I already listed the things each group is paying for. $50 for a map and another profession is a bad deal.

It’s going to be more than one map, though how many is currently unknown. You also get a new WvW borderland and a new pvp mode on it’s own new map.

the wvw map, though nice cannot be counted.
its replacing another map, which means they are as much removing something as adding something. They also could not make it HoT only without cutting core players from 3/4 of all maps

Allright, that’s correct. But keep in mind that the new boderland map is likely to be more entertaining and exciting (due to new mechanics) than the current one. Also a new map replacing and old one is probably still preferable to keeping the old one.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Jongi.7612:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

No, your paying for HoT. New players arent getting EVERYTHING GW2 has to offer and thats what I have been trying to explain. They arent getting to experience what Vets already have, new players wont be able to experience no longer existing content. New players get pretty much a watered down old world where you have to pay to see anything past your personal story and a much lower amount of hours played. They get access to dungeons and such, crafting and world events and thats pretty much it.

I already listed the things each group is paying for. $50 for a map and another profession is a bad deal.

It’s going to be more than one map, though how many is currently unknown. You also get a new WvW borderland and a new pvp mode on it’s own new map.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Yes, that is correct. You get less value than the new players. But since you’re not a new player it shouldn’t concern you in the first place. Don’t think so hard about what “other people” get. Just ask yourself whether HoT is worth your money or not.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

Yes, i got it. They have to pay, so it isn’t free.

Somebody is paying for it, and it isn’t Anet.

I mean just think about it for a second. It’s not that hard to grasp. If you’re a new player and you would have to pay 70$ for the core game and another 50$ for HoT then the core game wouldn’t be free. But since new players only have to pay 50$ (the price of HoT) that means the core game is free.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

So that means that those who already have the game are buying it again? Awesome.

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

The core game itself is free for new players.

No, it is not. If a new player wants to buy a core game, the only option (as per Anet’s pricing) is to shell out $50 or more. If you have to pay money to get something, it isn’t free.

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

yolo swaggins.2570:

Because no matter what happens that gap in bought content is still going to be there?

If you’d rather be a new player you can be a new player anytime you want.

yolo swaggins.2570:

It isn’t entitlement, Jongi.

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

If you can’t see why people are kittened off, that’s your fault.

Why do you care what new players get? It shouldn’t concern you since you’re not a new player. Look at what you get without looking what everyone else gets and make the decision whether it’s worth $50 or not. (which is not possible yet since we haven’t seen everything it has to offer yet).

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.

So, to have it “free” they have to pay. Great logic.

Like I said: it’s not necessary to give an option just for the Core game if you already get Core+ expansion for $50. You pay 50$ and get the expansion. If you don’t have the core game yet you get it for free.The core game itself is free for new players. If you don’t see that, I can’t help you.

stof.9341:

Straylight.7529:

No, you’re paying for HoT. The core game is free for new players which shouldn’t concern you.

The core game isn’t free for new players either because new players cannot go, spend $0 and buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain't_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.
Arenanet doesn’t need go give an option for GW2 core game only if you already get Coregame + HoT for 50$.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Its not a matter of entitlement…. Its a matter of being deceitful to your fans and playerbase…. especially those who continue to support the game.

There is no expansion for Guild Wars 2, yet.

The “betas” we have experienced are nothing more than the next episode of the living story.

This preorder nonsense is to fund production of the expansion that hasn’t even come into existence.

Anet needs resources to actually make this expansion… and they want you to pay for what is “behind the curtain” when there isn’t even anything behind the curtain yet besides a mockup.

They need money to even put something behind the curtain…. hence the preorder with barely any information and little details.

Buying a HoT preorder is basically the same as funding a kickstarter to make the expansion happen.

Why not be up front about what they are doing?

They would rather lie to our faces about it so they can get more money.

Then don’t preorder. Simple.

Ephemiel.5694:

You’re either a troll or completely and utterly dumb to not even try to understand and just label it as “entitlement”. Now you’re even dumb enough to say that we should simply sacrifice our accounts and make a new one.

Don’t tell him over and over that he’s wrong. Show him why he’s wrong. Preferably with good arguments. Just telling him he’s wrong doesn’t make him wrong.

stof.9341:

Jongi.7612:

Except you are getting what you paid for. Your paying for HoT, so your getting HoT.

Wrong, you are paying for HoT + GW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain't_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

No, you’re paying for HoT. The core game is free for new players which shouldn’t concern you.

Regarding the often used argument: Arenanet should give us a free character slot because of the Revenant…

Yes, it’s tough having to pay for another character slot if you want to play the Revenant and have already used up all your exisisting slots… but the fact that there is a new profession coming and the fact that you already used up all existing slots are two separate events that are in no way connected with eachother.

Just because there’s a new profession doesn’t automatically make you eligible for a free character slot. Yes, you have to delete an already existing character or buy a new one for $10. That’s just how it is. And the new players don’t get any free character slots either. They get the same amount than everyone else the only difference being that they haven’t filled those slots yet but you can hardly blame them for that.

Does that mean it would be better if Arenanet gave everyone a free character slot? Yes, of course if would.

Does that mean they have to or “owe” it to you? No, they don’t.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Straylight.7529:

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Straylight.7529:

RabbitUp.8294:

Straylight.7529:

But they simply don’t have to offer a different option for those who already own the game. I’m sorry but you’re nothing special for already owning the game.

Veterans don’t ask for special treatment. We currently pay the same to get less. We are asking to be offered the same or something of equal value to what new players get extra (like a character slot, since the core game was sold for $10 during the last sale).

“We currently pay the same to get less”. That’s one way to word it. You could also say “We currently pay the same but the new players get more on top of it”. And why exactly is that a problem for you now? Are you jealous?

It’s envy, not jealousy :’) (just to be annoying)

They are not get more on top of it, they are getting the full content without extra fee. We are getting the full content if we pay $10 more. That’s where the problem is.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Straylight.7529:

RabbitUp.8294:

Straylight.7529:

But they simply don’t have to offer a different option for those who already own the game. I’m sorry but you’re nothing special for already owning the game.

Veterans don’t ask for special treatment. We currently pay the same to get less. We are asking to be offered the same or something of equal value to what new players get extra (like a character slot, since the core game was sold for $10 during the last sale).

“We currently pay the same to get less”. That’s one way to word it. You could also say “We currently pay the same but the new players get more on top of it”. And why exactly is that a problem for you now? Are you jealous?

It’s envy, not jealousy :’) (just to be annoying)

They are not get more on top of it, they are getting the full content without extra fee. We are getting the full content if we pay $10 more. That’s where the problem is.

Right, it’s envy

Where exactly do you have to pay $10 more? When you go to the pre-purchase site of HoT it’s the same price for everyone.

I filled all my character slots. Therefore, if I want to enjoy the full expansion (and play the Revenant), I have either to delete one of my characters (which I don’t want for I love them all), or buy a new slot. As I don’t feel like farming for money (which is easier now than before, I agree), the easiest way would be to throw $10 in the gem store.

I have to pay more to enjoy the same amount of content than new players will have. I’m happy for them to have the full game and discover it all with “new eyes”, I just think it’s not fair for them to have access to all HoT and all professions for $50 while I have to pay more to enjoy the same thing.

I will buy the game anyway, for I am sure we’re just at the beginning of a better adventure, I just don’t want ANet to think that splitting their community is right and that they should keep doing it. If they happen to add a character slot in the standard edition (and 90% of people complaining sure think the same), this chaos would stop for all players, veterans and newcomers alike, would begin this journey on an equal footing.

Allright, this seems like something I can symphatize with. It’s certainly inconvenient if you’re already maxed out on all character slots and have to buy a new one if you want to play the revenant. But I still don’t begrudge new players or arenanet if they (the new players) get this one for free. In my opinion new players should get better deals and they’re getting one right now.
Maybe they could shift the whole nature of the “better deal” by giving both, veteran and new players a free character slot (so everyone has 6 by default) and give the new players something else instead to make up for it.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

Right, it’s envy

envy : Desire to have a quality, possession, or other desirable thing belonging to (someone else)

Veteran : GW2 check HoT want to buy it but not release yet.
Newcomers : GW2 no, Hot no still not released.

Doesn’t make sense.

That’s a strawman argument.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

“We currently pay the same to get less”. That’s one way to word it. You could also say “We currently pay the same but the new players get more on top of it”. And why exactly is that a problem for you now? Are you jealous?

XD; I ’m gonna love this.

So you admit that veteran get less & you reword it to make us look jealous.
Fair enough.
Except that guess what: there is something called customer equity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_equity

An extract there :

In deciding the value of a company, it is important to know of how much value its customer base is in terms of future revenues. The greater the customer equity (CE), the more future revenue in the lifetime of its clients; this means that a company with a higher customer equity can get more money from its customers on average than another company that is identical in all other characteristics. As a result a company with higher customer equity is more valuable than one without it. It includes customers’ goodwill and extrapolates it over the lifetime of the customers.

There are three drivers to customer equity, all of which refer to three sides of the same thing:

Value equity: What the customer assesses the value of the product or service provided by the company to be;
Brand equity: What the customer assesses the value of the brand is, above its objective value;
Retention equity: The tendency of the customer to stick with the brand even when it is priced higher than an otherwise equal product;

Should I say more.

Dude, no offense but you just answered me for the sixth time since you said you’re not going to anwer me anymore…twice
be at least consistent.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

It’s envy, not jealousy :’) (just to be annoying)

They are not get more on top of it, they are getting the full content without extra fee. We are getting the full content if we pay $10 more. That’s where the problem is.

Right, it’s envy

Where exactly do you have to pay $10 more? When you go to the pre-purchase site of HoT it’s the same price for everyone.

RabbitUp.8294:

Straylight.7529:

But they simply don’t have to offer a different option for those who already own the game. I’m sorry but you’re nothing special for already owning the game.

Veterans don’t ask for special treatment. We currently pay the same to get less. We are asking to be offered the same or something of equal value to what new players get extra (like a character slot, since the core game was sold for $10 during the last sale).

“We currently pay the same to get less”. That’s one way to word it. You could also say “We currently pay the same but the new players get more on top of it”. And why exactly is that a problem for you now? Are you jealous?

I think we’re getting lost in the proverbial forest of metaphors and examples

The inital problem of the OP was the he felt “cheated” and “slapped in the face” because new players get this awesome deal with all that free stuff. But like Entenkommando said: it’s just marketing. New players always get the better deal and they pretty much need it if you expect them to catch up to a game everyone else has already been enjoying for three years.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

I’m sorry but you’re nothing special for already owning the game.

But new players are special for not owning it ? How come ?

Because they are new and need an incentive to buy the game. If it makes them buy the game so Guild Wars 2 can grow to a bigger community it’s a good thing.

RabbitUp.8294:

rapthorne.7345:

I am utterly baffled that people can not grasp this concept that what people paid 3 years ago is not representative of right now.

How funny that you are the one who fails to comprehend the real problem.

There were 3 $10 sales for GW2 this year, yet nobody complained. This is not about a new deal for the new players, this is Anet forcing the same deal on the veterans. We are forced to buy a bundled product and we don’t even receive the second item.

If you want to offer a bundle for GW2+HoT, be me quest. Make the game F2P, that’s cool, too. But offer a different option to those that already own the game.

But they simply don’t have to offer a different option for those who already own the game. I’m sorry but you’re nothing special for already owning the game.

Gray.9041:

Straylight.7529:

papry.8096:

Shala.8352:

Also there’s no loyalty kind of reward. If you have been loyal, you have make the original Gw2 price just much more worth than players that have play it less.

So this give Anet the right to screw me.

An example on Gw2; a new offer appear on the black lion :
– a new item very game changing (just for the example).

The offer say that:
– if your account is less than 2 months old; it will cost you 400 gems.
– if your account is older than 2 months; its will cost you 800 gems.
Would you be happy ?

But that’s not happening. According to the op the expansion costs 50 bucks no matter if you’re a veteran or a new player with the latter getting the core game for free.

So your example should actually read:
-if your account is less than 2 months old; it will cost you 400 gems.
-if your account is older than 2 months; it will cost you 400 gems.

you’re right, the cost doesn’t change.

the items do. a more valid example would be:

the Identity Repair Kit – 1000 gems, no matter who you are.
contains 1 name change contract, and 1 total makeover kit.

but imagine if:

• A) if you bought it, but had already received a total makeover kit at some point before (via AP chests, Black Lion Chest drops, etc) you only get the name change contract
• B) neither the makeover kit nor the contract are available separately. you can only buy the identity repair kit as a whole

now imagine you want to change your character’s name, and already have a makeover kit. does this package seem fair now? you’re paying for the kit and the contract, but only getting the contract. true it’s the same price for everyone, but it’s much better for someone who hasn’t had a Total Makeover Kit before.

Correct, it’s better for someone who hasn’t had the Total Makeover Kit before.

But since I’m not a person prone to jealousy I don’t really care if Bob gets a better deal than me. Good for him I say!

papry.8096:

Shala.8352:

Also there’s no loyalty kind of reward. If you have been loyal, you have make the original Gw2 price just much more worth than players that have play it less.

So this give Anet the right to screw me.

An example on Gw2; a new offer appear on the black lion :
– a new item very game changing (just for the example).

The offer say that:
– if your account is less than 2 months old; it will cost you 400 gems.
– if your account is older than 2 months; its will cost you 800 gems.
Would you be happy ?

But that’s not happening. According to the op the expansion costs 50 bucks no matter if you’re a veteran or a new player with the latter getting the core game for free.

So your example should actually read:
-if your account is less than 2 months old; it will cost you 400 gems.
-if your account is older than 2 months; it will cost you 400 gems.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

I do not begrudge new players if they get a better deal.

Neither do I, I begrudge Anet for flawing me.
There is a nuance there that you don’t seems to get.

Arenanet is not flawing you. They give you new content, you have to buy for it. End of story.

No, it’s not about Money
It’s about jealousy.

Why do you care if a new player who starts playing Guild Wars 2 three years later gets the core game for free?

You’re jealous, that’s why.

I got my money’s worth out of GW2 in the past three years. Now I’m going to buy the expansion and get my money’s worth again for the new content. I don’t see the problem. I certainly don’t feel like I’m being slapped in the face by Arenanet.

I do not begrudge new players if they get a better deal. Good for them I say! I’m happy they get such an awesome deal! See you in tyria new players

It looks horrible on my female Sylvari. The original animation was aggressive and savage now it looks like I’m swinging a fairy wand from some Disney movie.

And the off-hand disappears too!

Maybe it’s the CPU that slows you down and not the graphics card? Guild Wars 2 is CPU-intensive especially with many people on the screen. That includes NPCs in the major cities.

Akikaze.1307:

Straylight.7529:

Also I disagree with your proposal. Moving faster should be a choice!

It can only be considered a “choice” if there are options to choose from. As such not all the professions (currently) have access to movement speed boosts, there is no choice.

You can choose to use the signet/trait or sacrifice the speed boost for something else, therefore it’s a choice.

All professions have access to movement speed boosts in one way or another (signet/trait/runes/abilities) The OP simply doesn’t like the fact that some professions have to put some more “work” into it instead of simply equipping a signet. Does that mean it’s a bad thing? In my opinion: no. I like the fact that different professions need to do different things to reach the same goal. Increasing the speed for every profession as a baseline ability like the OP suggested is boring and unimaginative. It would eliminate the choice.

The Necromancer has Signet of the Locust which gives 25% increased movement and the trait “Quickening Thirst” which increases movement speed by 25% when you wield two daggers and 15% when wielding only one dagger.

Also I disagree with your proposal. Moving faster should be a choice!

Gibson.4036:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The dragons don’t really destroy though. It’s a side-effect, yes, but not what they’re really doing. Plus, the Six Gods aren’t native to Tyria, but another world.

And the cinematic from Omadd’s machine was Zhaitan’s sphere crashing into Tyria.

Is there official confirmation of this? It looked like Mordy’s sphere to me.

There is no official confirmation of course but I personally also believe it’s Zhaitan’s Sphere crashing into the center (Tyria). At first glance it doesn’t make sense because most people intuitively interpret the sphere crashing into the center as a dragon taking control over the world. Since Mordremoth is active right now they think it’s Mordremoth’s sphere.

But what if the sphere crashing into the center doesn’t represent a dragon taking control over Tyria but the exact opposite instead? Zhaitan was most recently defeated and just like “dragons hold magic like a sponge holds water” Zhaitan released all the magic he consumed back into the world and ceased being a seperate entity (a dragon). I think that’s what the sphere crashing into the center represents. So bascially the goal is to make all spheres crash into the center again (defeat all the dragons) and only then will Tyria be at peace (at least for a while). Zhaitan was the first to be defeated. That’s why we see his sphere crashing into the center first.

If you follow this interpretation, than the green orb is in fact Zhaitan and not Mordremoth. Mordremoth would be the yellowish-green orb. (there is in fact no “black” orb). It would also be consistent with the correct order of the dragons awakening (represented by the orbs flashing up and adopting a color). If Mordremoth was the green orb and assuming there’s no mistake in the cinematic than Mordremoth would have awakened before Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan which is obviously wrong. But if Zhaitan is the green orb then it works perfectly and is consistent with the correct order of the dragons awakening established by the lore.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Keep in mind they specifically said that Verdant Brink was the “first” map, they did not say that it was “one of” the maps. Their wording is very important. What this likely means is that when the expansion launches it may be the only map, but they will add maps in subsequent patches through the LS if you have purchased the expansion. They already did this with the new WvW map and the new legendary weapons, it is likely they will do it for the maps as well.

“first” map doesn’t implicate that the other maps will be timegated. It simply means that you have to visit the Verdant Brink in order to access the other maps. Why you think it’s “likely” that the expansion will start off with only one map is beyond me.

Besides, if they released one map after the next, just like they did in Living Story Season 2, they couldn’t justify calling it an Expansion…it would simply be Living Story Season 3.

Awesome! I’m so glad I held off playing the personal story on my twink.

They will give us more information about the core features in HoT in their deep-dives. Those deep-dives will pop up around pax east which is in five weeks.

I share your disappointment regarding the NPE. The leveling experience has changed for the worse (in my opinion).

I suggest you do what I did.

Get over it.