Guild Wars 2

Everything in my my life I can’t afford I’m boycotting.

I don’t say “I can’t afford it”. Nope, I go straight to boycotting.

That’ll show ’em.

It certainly won’t be the equivalent of 12 maps for reaseons people have already pointed out but in my opinion that’s not even necessary or a bad thing.

Yes, 4 maps doesn’t sound overwhelming but I try to look it at it from a different angle: Dry Top and Silverwastes gave me a lot of enjoyment and I spent far more time in them than I ever thought I would. If each of the four HoT-map gives me twice the content of Dry Top than that would equal 8 Dry Tops. This resulting volume of exploration is good enough for me.

lordkrall.7241:

Test.8734:

Isn’t it amazing how low key this topic is? Being that it’s basically the forum topic about the HoT release date, one would expect it to be by hundreds of posts by now. Instead… Nothing.

As if people didn’t care AT ALL about the release date of HoT.

Or maybe, just maybe, there isn’t really much to discuss about a date? We know when release is not, what else is there to say about it?

This

I also think another reason why the release date isn’t discussed to death is the fact that HoT releases so soon. If they gave us a a release date of February 2016 for example than this thread would definitely be longer. Most of it probably filled by complaints.

The fact that this topic is so low key is actually a good sign. It means people are pleasantly surprised about the release date and have no need to complain about it.

See you in two months! HoT is going to be awesome

I like the new names. They are not as overused (and thus generic) as in other games.

Calling the Guardian elite spec “Crusader” or the one of the Thief “Monk” would have been the most uninspired way of naming the elite specs . It’s so generic even your everyday forum poster could have come up with it.

If you’re 100% sure that you’re going to play HoT then yes it’s worth pre-purchasing.
If you’re not 100% sure that you’re going to play HoT then I’d wait.

It’s as simple as that.

good luck

Dracocyborg.5049:

so you’re telling me to accept they get a free game for which i paid 60 euros. yeah… really makes sense. that’s a lot of money, guys

You didn’t pay 60 euros for nothing. You had access to the game for potentially much longer than “they” did.

How hard can it be to accept that HoT is priced at $50?

Stormcrow.7513:

Anyone play with the new lighting option as well? Just seems to make the screen brighter for me

That’s exactly how I understood it. Light adaptation tries to simulate how a dark cave for example lightens up because your eyes get used to the darkness. It’s less noticeable out in the open but if you go to a dark place like the large skritt cave in the center of Brisban Wildlands you’ll see a huge difference.

Honestly, I don’t really like the new light adaptation because it tries to make everything equally bright and results in less overall contrast. I prefer the dark places to be dark and the sunny places to be bright.

I can’t seem to find the new AA options either??

voidwarranty.6193:

Dear Anet,

So you would like me to purchase your new expansion. Hmm lets take a look here. The base one offers me no real incentive, the second one offers me some incentive, but not at that price. That last one, well lets just say it leaves me feeling quite sore around my rectal area. So do you really want to sell me your expansion or just have me go back to playing other games?

Oh you do want to to try and actually sell it to me. Well here is how you do it. Start it out at $35 for the HoT expansion (by itself). Now throw in one of those character slots so I can actually try out that new class you spent so much time developing. Hmm maybe I need a shiny useless title, but lets be honest I have plenty, so no thanks. Maybe some sort of celebration booster, just a thought don’t really care either way.

So lets see what we have.
$35 expansion [X]
Character Slot [X]
Some sort of extra gimmick [X]
Everyone walking away happy [X]

Congratulations you just sold your first expansion. We’ll be here in another year to make sure you follow the same formula.

~voidwarranty~

First I was like “are you serious…” and then I was like:

Season 1 is not accessible anymore but may be implemented in the (far) future. Exception: some dungeon paths of Season 1 like the Mai Trin fight are accessible trough fractals of the mists.
Season 2 can be purchased with gems and will always be purchasable with gems.

I also liked it better before. Now it looks like the character is trying to pop out of the window.

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

little sad i cant get season 1

Yeah, me too since I took several breaks during Season 1 They said re-implementing Season 1 is something they want to do in the future but it’s just too much work right now.

I wonder what were the circumstances that led to the abuse? You mentioned you were abused in LA and later you mentioned your neighbour was verbally abused. What facilitated that abuse? In my experience just running around the world playing the game will not get you verbally abused. Mabye you are a member of a dysfunctional guild?

Not trying to discredit those experiences you had. Just curious.

I agree. Definitely make a new character to relearn the game and organically experience the new player experience.

Once you hit Level 80 you can either chose to finish the personal story which ends with the (spoiler) death of Zhaitan OR you could unlock Season 2 with gems. Season 2 consists of 8 episodes that will take you to Dry Top and the Silverwastes. Two new zones that can both be accessed on the western border of Brisban Wildlands. The story of Season 2 will be continuted in the upcoming expansion.

On a sidenote: Living World Season 1 is not available anymore.

To the OP: Would you rather like if HoT released complete? If that was the case we wouldn’t see any new content until the next xpac. What matters is the amount of content HoT will provide even if it’s “incomplete”.

And yes, most likely some content will be added at a later point and I don’t see a problem with that. To take your example of Mordremoth possibly coming later during the expansion: In my opinion it would be weird if the Mordremoth fight was already accessible right at the start of HoT because he represents the end of the journey/plot. So I think it’s quite reasonable to timegate some content especially when that content has strong ties to the story. It would also allow them to gather feedback over a longer period of time which could help in (hopefully) designing a better bossfight when it comes to the Moderemoth fight. I think Arenanet realized that the Zhaitan fight was a bit lackluster and it’s safe to assume it would have turned out better if they had more time.

The beta tests will arrive somewhere in the future. All you need is patience I’m sure they will announce it on the front page.

But isn’t that the point? Losing your mentor should make you feel sad and upset. There’s already enough lighthearted storytelling in GW2. It’s just silly when everyone you meet survives every calamity. This is a world that is besieged by several elder dragons simultaneously afterall. Claw Island is that one victory Zhaitan has in order to be perceived as a “threat”. At least in the personal story of your character.

Quote of the Day: July 6

“It takes courage to grow up and become who you really are”
-e.e. kittens

Just wanted to chime in and give this thread some value.
Bye!

Achey.3612:

so this means that if theres another expansion, they’re going to make us pay whatever that price is, but they’ll get the core game free and heart of thorns for free.

Well, yeah..duh..that’s what’s going to happen. If it bothers you so much I suggest you wait another 12 years or so and then you can buy GW2 and all its future expansions in one big bundle. The rest of us will be busy playing the game…

Galen Grey.4709:

tons of Ruines (0:34-0:45), Huge underground caves (1:00-1:06), some kind of temple (1:14)

You really expect all that is cramed in 1 single map, a single map which the beta already uncovered 1/4 of it and there is nothing looking like any of the above references areas?

this part is actually in the Verdant Brink. Bottom middle part of the map. Right before the circular “arena”.

I agree with everything else you said though.

WOW. Better than I imagined! Gives a strong Greek vibe too. With the white stones and the white-blue color palette.

And a big thanks to Scarlet for destroying LA so we can have this version!

Turtle Dragon.9241:

soakman.7539:

I just want to say that for each person who feels “betrayed” by Anet, there is one of us that sees almost nothing wrong.

I showed GW2 to my friend, she was very interested in the game and also in the incoming expansion HoT after watching the trailer. So she read from the FAQ that she would need the core game to play HoT and she decided to buy it from a retail store for $20 on May 1st 2015, right after Chronomancer was announced.

Her oldest character is 50 days old only today. HoT prepurchase was announced and Arenanet stealth changed their FAQ about requiring the core game, now offering the core game for free if you purchase HoT for $50 minimum.

Arenanet will not refund or discount my friend, she spoke to a supervisor at their customer service and because it was purchased at a retail store they refuse to do anything about it. They will also not discount-upgrade the account to have HoT if she pays them $30($50 minus the $20 she paid at the retail store), there is no such option anyway. So my friend will have to shell out $70 in total, and only get HoT Standard.

You see almost nothing wrong with this?

I guess she should have known the risk of purchasing an almost three year old MMO that soon gets its first expansion.
The kind of discount you’re describing happens all the time everywhere. There’s nothing illegal about it and it’s certainly nothing out of the ordinary.
Though I can symphatize with your friend I’m afraid there’s nothing special about this issue you’re describing.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

Because the cost of the free bonus is zero.

We have already agreed that it is not (yes, even you, where you agreed that it has to be paid off by increased sales). It’s nothing more than a market speak. It’s not free unless you can get it for free. And you can’t, you have to pay $50 first.

You can’t have everything for free. You get the core game as a free bonus when you purchase HoT. Is HoT free? no, it costs 50$. Is the core game free? Yes, but only when you purchase HoT. That doesn’t change the fact that you get the core game for free.

It wouldn’t be free if a new player had to pay another 20$ on top of the 50$ in order to play HoT.

XeoShock.7094:

Straylight.7529:

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

The cost of the free bonus is zero.

It is not. It costs Anet something to offer that bonus. They run a business, not a charity – they wouldn’t have offered it if they didn’t think that cost would pay off. And it can pay off in only one way – from money that come from customers. In the end, everyone that buys the bundle pays that cost, but not everyone receive the bonus. Thus, there’s a group of players that subsidize the bonus for others without getting anything in return.

When you see the “free bonus” offers, you have to remember that they are free in name only. Somebody does pay for them.

It pays off by attracting new players. They will purchase HoT as a result and maybe even buy gems. The cost of the core-game is zero if you purchase HoT. If I (as a veteran) buy HoT I pay 50$ for HoT and nothing else. It’s really not that hard to grasp. It seems you have reached the stage where you desperately want to be unhappy/offended.

but who’s to say whether it is truly a ‘bonus’ or not?

How do you know you are just buying HoT when it is the same price as HoT + Core?

Because the cost of the free bonus is zero. Therefore the 50$ can be attributed to the expansion. Everyone who pays 50$ gets HoT. Those who don’t have the core game simply get it as a free bonus.

If new players had to pay 50$ + another 20$ (for the core game) for a total of 70$ then it wouldn’t be free. But that is not the case.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

The cost of the free bonus is zero.

It is not. It costs Anet something to offer that bonus. They run a business, not a charity – they wouldn’t have offered it if they didn’t think that cost would pay off. And it can pay off in only one way – from money that come from customers. In the end, everyone that buys the bundle pays that cost, but not everyone receive the bonus. Thus, there’s a group of players that subsidize the bonus for others without getting anything in return.

When you see the “free bonus” offers, you have to remember that they are free in name only. Somebody does pay for them.

It pays off by attracting new players. They are more likely to purchase HoT when they get the core game for free. Once in game they might buy gems.
The cost of the core-game is zero if you purchase HoT. If I (as a veteran) buy HoT I pay 50$ for HoT and nothing else. It’s really not that hard to grasp. It seems you have reached the stage where you desperately want to be unhappy/offended.

XeoShock.7094:

and who’s to say whether it is truly a ‘bonus’ or not?

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.

Astralporing.1957:

Ayrilana.1396:

No. There’s no cost being covered by the players. What part of the concept of a bonus do you not understand?

What part do you don’t understand? The cost of the bonus is always covered by someone – and it’s always the customer, not the seller. The “free if you buy” kind of bonus is never free, it’s just its price has been moved onto something else, to give you an illusion you receive something for free.

The cost of the free bonus is zero. Therefore it’s not covered by anyone….or everyone, doesn’t really matter since it’s zero.

Baldrick.8967:

Straylight.7529:

Shinzan.2908:

New players getting HoT for free is ridiculous, at least throw in a discount, gems, some bonus upgrades or free character slots.

They are not getting HoT for free. They have to pay 50$ just like everyone else. They are simply getting the core game as a free bonus IF they purchase HoT.

ReiCH.6273:

lol, they haven’t delivered any “content” for months now… and even when they were “delivering” content in the form of living story episodes, you seem to be forgetting the weeks long “breaks” they were taking

But when you got something you got it for free. Stop complaining about free stuff.

Unless you missed the two week window, in which case you have to pay for it with gems…so not exactly free then.

But it’s possible to be free and they gave you a fair chance of getting it free.

Nemizar.6152:

Straylight.7529:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

ReiCH.6273:

lol, they haven’t delivered any “content” for months now… and even when they were “delivering” content in the form of living story episodes, you seem to be forgetting the weeks long “breaks” they were taking

But when you got something you got it for free. Stop complaining about free stuff.

You got it for free? I had to buy the game in 2012 to get it. No wonder you’re so protective of ANet, they apparently gave you the game for free.

Yes, I did not have to purcahse anything from Living Story season 1 or season 2. I got it for free.

When you paid for the game you paid for every update, up to and including season 2.

No, I paid for the base game in it’s vanilla state. Everything that followed was a free bonus. I didn’t pay for the Living Story updates and I didn’t pay for the patches and class tweaks. I guess that’s the reason why I don’t have a problem. 70$ for Guild Wars 2 in its vanilla state without any Living Story was one hell of a good deal especially since there’s no monthly subscription fee.

You did NOT pay Arenanet in advance so they owe you a personal butler that brings you three years worth of updates on a silver platter. You paid for Guild Wars 2 in it’s vanilla state. Nothing more, nothing less.

But you payed them by buying gems and other “cosmetic” things from the BLT.Dont forget that there isnt free to play or buy to play game.

That has nothing to do with what I said. Buying gems is completely optional. You get all the Living Story updates and patches without buying gems.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

ReiCH.6273:

lol, they haven’t delivered any “content” for months now… and even when they were “delivering” content in the form of living story episodes, you seem to be forgetting the weeks long “breaks” they were taking

But when you got something you got it for free. Stop complaining about free stuff.

You got it for free? I had to buy the game in 2012 to get it. No wonder you’re so protective of ANet, they apparently gave you the game for free.

Yes, I did not have to purcahse anything from Living Story season 1 or season 2. I got it for free.

When you paid for the game you paid for every update, up to and including season 2.

No, I paid for the base game in it’s vanilla state. Everything that followed was a free bonus. I didn’t pay for the Living Story updates and I didn’t pay for the patches and class tweaks. I guess that’s the reason why I don’t have a problem. 70$ for Guild Wars 2 in its vanilla state without any Living Story was one hell of a good deal especially since there’s no monthly subscription fee.

You did NOT pay Arenanet in advance so they owe you a personal butler that brings you three years worth of updates on a silver platter. You paid for Guild Wars 2 in it’s vanilla state. Nothing more, nothing less.

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

So we shouldn’t say anything about a deal that penalises existing players and seems unfair?

Just meakly except it ?

No I think not.

It doesn’t penalize you in the slightest. They simply put a new product on the table and leave you with the choice of buying it now, buying it later or not buying it at all.

It might seem unfair because we don’t know the full content of HoT yet. You might want to wait until release and check out reviews before you purchase the game. No one forces you to preorder. It’s completely ok not to preorder.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

ReiCH.6273:

lol, they haven’t delivered any “content” for months now… and even when they were “delivering” content in the form of living story episodes, you seem to be forgetting the weeks long “breaks” they were taking

But when you got something you got it for free. Stop complaining about free stuff.

You got it for free? I had to buy the game in 2012 to get it. No wonder you’re so protective of ANet, they apparently gave you the game for free.

Yes, I did not have to purchase anything from Living Story Season 1 or Season 2. I got it for free.

Shinzan.2908:

Straylight.7529:

They are not getting HoT for free. They have to pay 50$ just like everyone else. They are simply getting the core game as a free bonus IF they purchase HoT.

Why don’t I get a second copy of the base game then? That’s anet just trying to misdirect us by changing the wording.

I paid full price for GW2 and got the base game, now I have to pay full price again to get HoT.

GW2 was more expensive than 50$ when it came out. That means you’re not paying the full price again for HoT.

You don’t get a second copy of the game because you already own the game. You pay for HoT and you get HoT nothing more, nothing less.. If you were a new player you’d get the core game thrown in for free but since you’re not a new player it shouldn’t concern you.

Shinzan.2908:

New players will pay full price for the base game and also get HoT. BS.

No, it’s exactly the other way around. They pay full price for HoT and get the base game.

Shinzan.2908:

New players getting HoT for free is ridiculous, at least throw in a discount, gems, some bonus upgrades or free character slots.

They are not getting HoT for free. They have to pay 50$ just like everyone else. They are simply getting the core game as a free bonus IF they purchase HoT.

ReiCH.6273:

lol, they haven’t delivered any “content” for months now… and even when they were “delivering” content in the form of living story episodes, you seem to be forgetting the weeks long “breaks” they were taking

But when you got something you got it for free. Stop complaining about free stuff.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

There is no reason for them to put the core game (without the expansion) on a separate sale.

So it’s an expansion that doesn’t require the core game on sale now ?
Interesting.

According to your own words from this other thread, yes:

papry.8096:

What do they sell now HoT not GW2 core.
These are two totally different situations.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

And everyone who already has the base game won’t need it again.

False: I own 4 alternate account.

I can name you a bunch of friend/guildies that also own scondary account.
So once again you are wrong.
Congrat.

Please stay on topic. You said:

papry.8096:

An expansion that make the base game dissapear from sale.
Doesn’t look like an expansion to me.

And I tried to eplain to you that under the current circumstances (which is: core game given away for free as a bonus if you purchase HoT) it’s completely ok for the core game to disappear from sale since it’s already included when you purchase HoT.

Nope; your statement as to why I don’t need Gw2 is that I already own it.
& I just prove to you that I do own multiple accounts for my own purpose.
Your argument is flawed, thank you.

If you wanted additional accounts in the past you had to pay 60$ for each GW2 copy.
If you want additional accounts come HoT you have to pay 50$ and get core game+ expansion!

There is no reason for them to put the core game (without the expansion) on a separate sale.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

And everyone who already has the base game won’t need it again.

False: I own 4 alternate account.

I can name you a bunch of friend/guildies that also own scondary account.
So once again you are wrong.
Congrat.

Please stay on topic. You said:

papry.8096:

An expansion that make the base game dissapear from sale.
Doesn’t look like an expansion to me.

And I tried to eplain to you that under the current circumstances (which is: core game given away for free as a bonus if you purchase HoT) it’s completely ok for the core game to disappear from sale since it’s already included when you purchase HoT.

papry.8096:

Entenkommando.5208:

Hexalot.8194:

B2P or not, I honestly don’t know how anyone could interpret what ANet is doing as being anything but a gouge. It would have cost them nothing (we are talking digital bytes here after all) to release the expansion as two versions… the standalone expansion at a lower price point for those who already have the game, and the bundled version at 50 bucks for the new players which saves them from buying game plus expac separately.

Because the expansion IS worth 50$ in their eyes.

An expansion that make the base game dissapear from sale.
Doesn’t look like an expansion to me.

Why would you want the base game?
1) you either already have it and therefore don’t need it
2) you get it for free when you pay 50$ for the expansion

there’s no need for a third option that only gives you the base game. No new player in his right mind would reject base game+expansion for 50$. And everyone who already has the base game won’t need it again.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

It appears that you lack basic understanding of statistics, although I can see how painting unhappy customers as a neglible group would suit your argument.

If you are right, EAnet can happily ignore the outcry in a 4800 post thread, the most upvoted thread in the GW2 subreddit, and the mediacoverage.

We’ll see.

I’m not painting unhappy customers as a neglible group. I simply showed you why they are a vocal minority and not a majority like they think they are.

Assuming the playerbase of Guild Wars 2 has 500,000 people. 5000 angry reddit posters would be 1%. Yeah..I think Arenanet will probably ignore them.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Straylight.7529:

But you’re not getting it. It’s a free bonus for new players and new players only.

Even so, people feel like vets and new players are getting disproportionate values for the same $50.

That’s true. New players get the better deal. But I certainly won’t begrudge them for getting such an awesome deal. Good for them I say! It’s just childish to tug at Arenanets coattail and saying “but..but…I want this too!” when you’ve already gotten so much value out of your initial purchase.

Conski Deshan.2057:

1. This is a poor representation of the argument. New players are getting a vanilla copy of the game, despite what anyone says, this has value. The existing players would like to get the value out of this too. Either by the key (literally the same as the new players) or 800 gems/extra character slot (both of comparable value to the base games lowest price).

But you’re not getting it. It’s a free bonus for new players and new players only. If I were you I would stop concerning myself what “the other guy” gets and instead deal with what you get. I apologize for being rude but saying “the new player gets more than I do, I deserve this too!” is such an immature attitude that reeks of envy.

Conski Deshan.2057:

2. Opportunity cost, the 5 hours I’d have to spend farming that gold could have been put to other use if it had been given with the HOT package. The person who did just straight out buy it has also just gained 5 hours on me in that time.

You’re being presented with an easy solution yet you refuse it. And 5 hours? Wow, you’re going to be waaaay behind everyone else. You might not even make it to Mordremoth until the next x-pac hits.

Conski Deshan.2057:

3. Liking something for what it did and blind fanaticism are very different. Each purchase should be considered on it’s own, maybe they felt that 20 euro was worth it at the time, but have decided the hot purchase is not currently. Also do not assume people have large amounts of money to spend, remember people in fairly dire financial situations play MMO’s too (large number of hours of content for a relatively low initial price generally)

That I can agree with. It’s certainly your right whether HoT is worth your money or not.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

Your ‘Logic’ is illogical. It presumes that everyone that’s upset will actively post here. That’s not true.

No , I don’t assume that. See here:

mrstealth.6701:

mrstealth.6701:

But there are also a lot of players that are just as unhappy and not posting about it.

That is true. There are unhappy people out there who can’t/don’t want to post. But it’s more likely that they will complain opposed to unhappy or indifferent people who never complain. Therefore the people you see complaining on the forums are a fraction of an already small fraction. Therefore they must be in the minority.

……………………..

Pretty Pixie.8603:

What we do have is a large sample of very disgruntled customers. A statistical majority. If your illogical theory was true, no company would ever address the concerns of their forum communities.

And yet EAnet quickly backed out of their plans of charging individually for colored commander tags.

A large sample of very disgruntled customers is not a statistical majority. They’re just that: a large sample. Maybe a few hundreds of upset posters on the forums. That’s few compared to the hundreds of thousands you never hear of. Even if every single forum poster would be unhappy about the preorder they couldn’t reach a majority because the forum is such a small part compared to the entire player base on the planet.

Maybe they simply haven’t started yet. Maybe the expansion is further out than we think.

Though thinking back to the original GW2 I can’t remember a big advertisment campaign either. At least not the likes of the WoW-expansions.

NecroN.8306:

Yet again this is pure speculation. You have ZERO proof of any of this. You’re voicing your opinion on to others.

Straylight.7529 Your only purpose here is to derail this thread. Go troll somewhere else and stick to facts.

I don’t have statistical proof nor is it necessary. It’s speculation based on reason and logic. It’s simply absurd to think that the vocal minority on this forum who’s upset about the preorder represents the majority. Yet that is exactly how (many of) the people act when they complain towards Arenanet. And in quite a rude fashion I might add.

Of course I’m voicing my opinion. It’s the only thing I can do here. I was simply trying to explain to Pretty Pixie.8603 (about a page or two ago) why you don’t need statistical evidence to show that the forum-complainers are not the majority. You can do that with reason and logic (which I applied in my 4-step process). You and others obviously don’t agree and I simply responded to your posts. If you don’t want to talk to me anymore, simply stop talking to me.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Straylight.7529:

mrstealth.6701:

Straylight.7529:

Baldrick.8967:

Here’s some logic:

The vast majority of players are unhappy about the expansion.

If they were exstatic about it, people would be buying it in droves, towns would be full of happy people spouting on about it, and forums and social media would be full of people singing it’s praises.

-snip-

No, I’m sorry but your post already falls apart right there. The vast majority of people are indifferent/happy about the expansion/game. There are hundreds of thousands of GW2 players you never hear of. They never post on the forum. They never complain and they never voice their opinion. Those are all typical behavioral patterns for indifferent or happy people.

So, all of the unhappy people I know are really just indifferent?

…or they just don’t bother posting on forums. Perhaps because they’d rather not have to see people telling them they’re “feeling wrong”. Instead they just vote with their wallet. The vote that really matters to Anet.

No, the unhappy people are unhappy and the indifferent people are indifferent. It just happens that the few unhappy people you know pale in comparison to the number of indifferent+happy people out there.

Sure, there will be people who’re unhappy and simply vote with their wallet. But you forget that people who don’t complain are more likely to belong to the happy+indifferent group opposed to the unhappy group. Most people are not complaining that means most people are indifferent or happy.

You’re making it sound as if indifferent people are on your “side”. I have never spent money on something I was indifferent about.

Indifferent people are just that: indifferent. They don’t care about the preorder , they don’t care if they get a free character slot, they don’t care whether change x is going to be implemented or not…and so on. That’s what I meant with “indifferent”.

Indifferent people are not on my side or anyone’s side. They just don’t belong to the unhappy people.

mrstealth.6701:

Straylight.7529:

Baldrick.8967:

Here’s some logic:

The vast majority of players are unhappy about the expansion.

If they were exstatic about it, people would be buying it in droves, towns would be full of happy people spouting on about it, and forums and social media would be full of people singing it’s praises.

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No, I’m sorry but your post already falls apart right there. The vast majority of people are indifferent/happy about the expansion/game. There are hundreds of thousands of GW2 players you never hear of. They never post on the forum. They never complain and they never voice their opinion. Those are all typical behavioral patterns for indifferent or happy people.

So, all of the unhappy people I know are really just indifferent?

…or they just don’t bother posting on forums. Perhaps because they’d rather not have to see people telling them they’re “feeling wrong”. Instead they just vote with their wallet. The vote that really matters to Anet.

No, the unhappy people are unhappy and the indifferent people are indifferent. It just happens that the few unhappy people you know pale in comparison to the number of indifferent+happy people out there.

Sure, there will be people who’re unhappy and simply vote with their wallet without telling anyone. But you forget that people who don’t complain are more likely to belong to the happy+indifferent group opposed to the unhappy group. Most people are not complaining that means most people are indifferent or happy.

Baldrick.8967:

Here’s some logic:

The vast majority of players are unhappy about the expansion.

If they were exstatic about it, people would be buying it in droves, towns would be full of happy people spouting on about it, and forums and social media would be full of people singing it’s praises.

-snip-

No, I’m sorry but your post already falls apart right there. The vast majority of people are indifferent/happy about the expansion/game. There are hundreds of thousands of GW2 players you never hear of. They never post on the forum. They never complain and they never voice their opinion. Those are all typical behavioral patterns for indifferent or happy people.

Conski Deshan.2057:

Straylight.7529:

mrstealth.6701:

But there are also a lot of players that are just as unhappy and not posting about it.

That is true. There are unhappy people out there who can’t/don’t want to post. But it’s more likely that they will complain opposed to unhappy or indifferent people who never complain. Therefore the people you see complaining on the forums are a fraction of an already small fraction. Therefore they must be in the minority.

Even if it’s true why does it matter? why are you arguing with the players here?
The point of this topic is some players were unhappy with the whole pre-order deal for various reasons they are posting here to express them. Since you’re apparently happy with the deal it doesn’t negatively effect you the only outcomes that can occur are:
1. Anet changes something to give a better deal, in which case this is a boon to you.
2. Anet does nothing, in which case since you’re already happy it doesen’t effect you.

The only outcome is a potential positive change for you, so why pick fights with the people here for no reason? Their reasons are their own nothing you say will change that doesn’t matter if you don’t agree or think their reasons are false.

But the local minority who’s unhappy with this preorder deal is unhappy for all the wrong reasons and I want them to be happy. I actually want to help them. Also it can’t be said enough: if you’re not happy with the preorder, just don’t preorder. Wait until the game releases, watch some reviews, ask a friend who bought it etc.. People here act like Arenanet is holding a gun to their heads saying “Preorder or die”.

I’m not picking fights. I’m simply voicing my opinion like everyone else. I’m just one person with one opinion. Nothing more.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

Yes it’s called feeling like you get what you pay for. I felt the gems I bought and what I spent them on were worth it. I don’t see the expansion as being worth $50 ($60 CDN) by a long shot. That for no frills base model without even a character slot. I feel as many others do that ANet is giving a nice deal to new players while giving the finger to old players.

I wouldn’t go so far and say Arenanet is giving the finger to veteran players. They simply don’t treat veteran players preferentially because they (Arenanet) doesn’t feel like you’re something special for already owning the game. If you think you are something special for already owning the game than you can think that of course.

GeekDavid.2786:

Straylight.7529:

GeekDavid.2786:

Straylight.7529:

1) The majority of players do not post on the forums. That’s a fact.
2) That majority of non-forumgoers can either feel happy, indifferent or unhappy about the game.
3) It’s far more likely that the happy and indifferent players combined are a bigger portion than the unhappy players. Why? because if it was the other way around we would suddenly have a majority of players complaining on the forums since unhappy people are the only ones who complain…and that would interfere with sentence 1).
4) Therefore we can deduce that the complainers are in the minority.

As you can see we don’t need numbers to prove that. All it needs is logic and some common sense.
Also it doesn’t matter if you understand this or not (though I hope you will). All that matters is that Arenanet understands it.

I think before the announcement I’d posted less than a half a dozen times on the forums.

Since the announcement I’ve posted quite a few more, and have not been in-game except for a few minutes to gauge my guild’s reaction to it (it wasn’t “I can’t wait to spend $50 on this expansion!” for the record).

I just proved your logic incorrect.

What? no you didn’t.

The only thing you proved is that you’re an unhappy person who found his way to the forums to complain.

Also you’re still one person no matter how often you post on the forums.

You’re still in the minority.

edit: I’m not saying your complaints are invalid. Just saying that the complainers who post on the forum do not represent the majority. They represent the vocal minority.

You cannot prove that we don’t represent the majority that don’t speak up. You might want desperately to believe it, but you can’t prove it.

And licking ANet’s shoes won’t get you your Legendary any quicker.

No, in fact you’re the one who desperately wants to believe he represents the majority. You belong to the vocal minority. Nothing more, nothing less. That doesn’t make your complaints invalid by the way.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

I honestly think we will hear nothing from ANet as long as the sales are good. If they reach sales targets, I’m sorry, but we can all scream to the rafters all the day long and they DO NOT CARE. Once again, the erosion of trust will continue, and more and more people will finally get fed up enough to just uninstall the game. And as long as they continuously bring in new players, it doesn’t matter one iota. Although, they may really miss the likes of me, as I have spent well over a grand in the gem store over my time here. And yet I refuse to buy this overpriced expansion when it’s really only worth $30 AND they don’t give the extra character slot, which I think is a slap in the face. On top of that the change of the FAQ was disgusting.

Wait, did I read that correctly? You spent over a thousand dollars on the gem store for fluff-items but you’re not willing to spend 50$ for an actual expansion?
Well played sir, well played..

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Straylight.7529:

Myrden.2456:

Straylight.7529:

mrstealth.6701:

But there are also a lot of players that are just as unhappy and not posting about it.

That is true. There are unhappy people out there who can’t/don’t want to post. But it’s more likely that they will complain opposed to unhappy or indifferent people who never complain. Therefore the people you see complaining on the forums are a fraction of an already small fraction. Therefore they must be in the minority.

Ummmm….what? This is the strangest logic I’ve heard yet. I did a very informal poll in all the main cities today, and found only 14% (7 of 52) have or will purchase if nothing changes. The others – and the five people in my household – are waiting for resolution. Again, not scientific, but to say those who are unhappy are the minority is not a slam-dunk conclusion.

You forget all the players in the main cities who didn’t respond to your little poll there. It’s safe to assume they’re indifferent about this subject.

No it isn’t safe to assume they are indifferent. Not everyone will respond even if they feel strongly on something because of a myriad of reasons, including being afk lol

But it’s more likey that they’re indifferent about a particular change when they don’t respond to a poll. If it bothered them so much they would respond.