Guild Wars 2

Ok thanks, I’m tired and just couldn’t find it anywhere.

When is the league end date?

Chad.6104:

Ok. You’ve said what you’d like removed. And you’ve said put in a better selection.

But what? You should give examples otherwise I’m fine with a chance for a rare dye, a node worth 2-3 hundred gold or a mini pet.

Sure, we can discuss that.

Ascended mats would be better than those other mats.

Chance at a random bltc weapon skin.

Chance at game currency like laurels.

Chance at a “gift of” something

…

I didn’t put a lot of thought into it, but we could all take an hour and design better chest offerings right?

Llethander.3972:

Swagger.1459:

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I can’t agree with this more. Black Lion Keys have been the one thing on the gem store that, more than anything else, I refuse to buy. The one time I made the foolish decision to buy a stack of keys I got a bunch of useless boosters, an overwhelming number of repair cans, and nothing of notable value. I would have been far better off had I simply exchanged the gems for gold.

Yup, these chest items really need to be redone.

Gold is not what most players seek from these chests, we can exchange gems for that at a far far better rate of return.

I could run around any high level zone for 30 minutes and get 10x the value of crafting mats.

There are other means to obtain these unnecessary items when they are released on the gem store for direct purchase.

Anything I desire to get later on I can just purchase it off the bltc.

The items I mentioned are unnessary bloat and fluff to these chests, there is no real argument here about that. I’m fine with the concept of rng, but I’m not fine with redundant.

I would like to say this…

If players can afford to buy black Lion chest keys, we do not need crafting materials, dyes, minis, finishers, ore nodes, probably a couple more things but I’ll get back to you.

We can buy crafting mats on the bltc or get them in game.

We can buy the ore nodes off of the gem store when released or bltc.

We can buy the dye packs off the gem store when released or off the bltc.

We can buy minis off the gem store when released or bltc.

We can buy finishers off of the gem store when released or the bltc.

You are putting redundant items in those chests that can be obtained if desired by other means, and it seems disingenuous to put them in there with such high drop rates as well. I understand the concept of random, but I do not understand the concept of unnecessary. If you look at my account I do purchase gems frequently to support the game, but I do not support the way these chests were designed at all. Please change them to offer a better selection of items and by removing certain things asap.

Thank you

Edit- please follow the link and see what I’m talking about if you are not aware of what I’m talking about…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Chest

Edit 2- I don’t mind tossing hundreds of dollars to your company and to obtain certain items, but I would (and I’m sure others would too) prefer to not spend those hundreds of dollars to contribute to the market flood even more with crafting mats, dyes, minis, finishers… that go for a few silvers…

Playing other profession more, one patch at a time…

gennyt.3428:

I heard you liked jungle excursions.

Lol

TheTab.9583:

Yeah I read “decreased” for some reason. Guess I’m just used to them nerfing stuff lol

Lol me too about the nerf stuff

I thought I read increased.

This morning is full of surprises…

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3uznbc/major_wvw_overhaul_colin_j_ft_e/#s

And that’s precisely what doesn’t register in their minds. It’s such a simple concept, yet we have to write novels to explain and over explain it…

Edit- Caps are for emphasis…

A 4 map (3 borderland and 1 EB) megaserver will have ALL the same stuff and objectives that’s in WVW now, and you will get MORE. The only difference is that there WILL be bodies in EVERY MAP fighting for and completing WVW objective to win. The devs WILL create systems of rewards and incentives to help motivate your side to want to win and coordinate.

We already SEE and KNOW all problems with wvw being purely individual server based and I guarantee the devs wish they could go back and make it 3 sided megaserver.

You CAN’T run and maintain meaningful and healthy tournaments when the outcomes ARE predictable and are purely individual server based. That’s why we don’t have tournaments now.

You CAN’T have a healthy wvw environment if there are no reward structures or incentives either.

Right now, server pride is the ONLY thing that fuels wvw, but 99% of people, who like player vs player content, do NOT care about server pride. They DO care about the player vs player combat experience and actually having OTHER PLAYERS TO FIGHT AGAINST.

99% of players do NOT like emptier maps.

99% of players do NOT like SLOW gameplay.

99% of players do NOT like to NOT be rewarded for time and effort.

99% of players do NOT care about PPT if there are ZERO incentives to having the most PPT.

99% of player combat oriented players WANT people to fight against, NOT DOORS.

The list can go on and on and on and on and on and on…

The current individual server based wvw design, without rewards, without lots of bodies, without tournaments… HAS showed and IS clearly showing that’s it is NOT a conducive design for a healthy, active and sustainable game mode.

Some of you MUST face the wvw “realities” and start supporting ideas that WILL actually work out in YOUR favor and that help to make the game mode that YOU ultimately want. Yes, there are a lot of things that need to be adjusted to make all this happen, but the devs will work on making it happen…

Also GW2 does not have 7 bajillion players… The devs NEED to condense the X amount of players, who like wvw/rvr/pvp, into ONE space. The devs NEEDED to do it in PVE where there are tons more players, and they NEEDED to do it for SPVP… Sooo, megaservers WILL come to a WVW near you because it IS NEEDED.

The cc system is a mess. This is s possible solution to work with…

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Player_vs_Player

“Status Effect & Knockback Suppression
Every time a character recovers from a Hold, Immobilize, Disorient, Sleep, or Fear status, that character becomes immune to all five of those effects from other players for 15 seconds. Every time a character suffers a Knockdown, Knockback, or Knockup effect, that character becomes immune to all three of those effects from other players for 10 seconds. These two timers are independent. It should be noted that Confuse effects, while technically mezzes, are on a separate 15-second timer than the other mezzes listed above.”

Obviously I know that things would need to be tweaked all around, but a “no effect” timer could be a good mechanic done right in such a heavy cc game.

Jayne.9251:

Junkpile.7439:

Jayne.9251:

Eh, go ahead and make WvW like EoTM.

See how long the ktrain lasts until the next big shiny pops up.

Then it’ll be vacant, because the “leet hardcore” players who loved this mode of play will have left and not come back. Nobody wants to defend or scout for a bunch of random players they don’t know.

It’s sad the people who aren’t fully invested in WvW can’t see that.

Players wanna defend and scout when winning means something. 500g reward every winner and i bet that there is lot’s of scouts.

I’ve done it at a 15-20g loss a day voluntarily for the past three years (minus a break). Why? Community and team.

Then you will be a valued member to your wvw megaserver community and teams. I fully expect you to lead all the newbie lemmings to many defending and scouting mission victories. You’ll take charge, be helpful, set up meetings prior to matches, organize things on TS… You’ll work hard to build up a nice and welcoming megaserver community and become a great defending and scouting role model for generations to come.

Well, I’m not a big numbers person anymore, but I will say this in response… Healing ele with water, tempest and staff was a hell of a lot more fun and smooth to play than Druid.

I just did the dragon stand meta in pvt gear and celestial trinkets and kept a crap ton of green numbers floating… It’s funny how much I complained about aiming with CA form, but I didn’t have that same feeling. I felt relaxed, had fun, paid attention to the screen action more not my ability bar, was dropping damage left and right while smoothly healing in the mix… I was tossing out my staff aoe heals, ticking regen, splash heals from auto… and kept jumping in and spamming all the heal stuff I had specced…. Got credit, made a difference and actually enjoyed it so much that I’ll get some gear tomorrow and take an ele healing build more seriously.

It’s kinda funny because I disliked my ele when I made it, but now it’s enjoyable. It’s the ranged and pbao heal design that I wanted for Druid without any of the “clunkiness”, inconsistent healing and limiting AF mechanics…

Ele healing design is far better built with the user and combat gameplay in mind. I don’t care what ranger Druid can do differently or better, it’s just simply not as enjoyable for me at all.

And the added bonus to it all… if I actually take the time to learn ele and get competent, I’ll be tearing up those ranger druids in wvw and spvp while they are fiddling around building their astral force trying to survive my elemental fists of fury

Precisely.

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Aidenwolf.5964:

Ktk.5107:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ktk.5107:

What does the tempest heal build look like ?

This is what I run. The trinkets change depending on the toughness of the tank but it’s also fully capable of heal tanking.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFAWn0XC9XiNYCWYCcYilSAz9smWnrEJgKQAooKuBGBA-TRxGABupDAgHAwiq/k2+DkfBAAA-e

Is the condi dmg really good here ? You have very little condis application. Wouldn’t zealot be more powerful ?

Healing gear loses ferocity to add healing so even with higher crit you’re at baseline. By running Apoth I can add near full power condition damage with burns though without duration they are big. Fire overload is a whirl finisher on a fire field which also creates an aura which heals huge. I cycle water until everyone’s topped off them earth (protection) air (swiftness) then fire (might) and lay down my fire field drop a flame Aura (feel the burn) which AOE heals and adds burns, overload, then back to water (big heal on attunement).

If I need more heals I dodge into allies for arcana.

Just from messing around yesterday, and not taking things seriously while I get my hero points, I can safely say I have had 100x more fun playing a ele healer build. By far, it will be a superior healer and smoother to play in any game mode.

As of right now I will never use my Druid for team healer at all, and refrain from small teams related content while I have Druid in my build. If I run team stuff, I’m going dps and taking out the Druid traitline because I refuse to be expected to heal on it. I’ll run open world pve or through wvw goofing off with Druid on, but that will be my “selfish heal myself” build because that’s what it does best.

Let me rephrase that eylana… I provided a lighthearted response to your post. For more information on this topic I will refer you to my scattered posts in this thread. Some provide my thoughts to things in your post, some are responses to other posters that I’m trying to keep on track. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

As always, the other classes may do more amazing damage, but they ain’t doing any amazing damage when they’re dead.

Ranger tends toward ranged damaged . . . it’s kind of in the name. And the smarter ones also tend toward letting the pet tank, bear or otherwise, since the pet often takes a beating better than the class itself.

I never understood why this is a point to be mocked, but I’m okay with that. And so are the people I rez who wanted to marvel me with their superior skills.

Sadly, that tends to turn ugly in PvP when I use my less than superior skills on them. That scenario also gives a hint as to why those players scream nerf against rangers and druids … and ANet listens.

But that’s another topic.

Everybody, read this out loud like a grizzled old west cowboy telling a story around the campfire

That was pretty self explanatory, I’m not sure what you may find confusing.

EylanaE.1579:

Swagger.1459:

EylanaE.1579:

First of all, for constructive feedback take a look at these links, you’ll find plenty from my perspective:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/How-Heart-of-Thorns-affected-WvW/first#post5809441
https://eylanae.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/wvw-after-hot/

As for this mega servers thing, it’s safe to say it would ruin the way I love to play this game.

What really bothers me is the word “Server Pride”. For the majority of people it hasn’t got anything to do with server pride (and even if it does it’s fine). It has everything to do with a servers community, the people playing. Over the years these communities have grown to be pretty organized, website and ts. When playing on a server you get to know so many people, not just your guildies, but also the pug commanders with the regular players, the guilds, roamers, scouts and you even get to know your opponents.

This is the strength of a server based model imo. Because people know each other they will fight together, not for PPT, but to help each other. And every server needs them all, public commanders, pugs, fighting guilds, ppt guilds, roamers, scouts and new players eager to learn.

Any mega-server like idea will destroy these communities. And to be honest, it’s the only thing left that has some importance for me as it is, WvW wise.

As for population balance? How about fixing the core issues WvW is suffering from first, that way there might be some population left to balance.

You will absolutely love megaservers and come back to these forums praising the devs! You’ll meet more like minded friends, have more peeps to play with regularly, get more rewards, have more fights, run lots of tournaments…

Wut???? It seems like you’re really contradicting yourself now. You have repeatedly asked for constructive feedback on WvW, which I gave you. Also the reasons why this megaserver idea won’t work imo. And this is your answer? Sorry, you lost track of your posts in here.

I also would like you to respect mine and other people’s opinions, because your reply shows you have no idea how a constructive discussion works. Worse it also shows you have no idea what this discussion, that has been going on for a while, is all about.

I provided a lighthearted response to your question. Feel free to read any of my other posts because I’m not going to repeat the same things over and over per person. If you are that interested in my responses then by all means scroll through the thread.

briggah.7910:

I’m tired of hearing this EoTM player try to turn the one game mode I love into another mindless ktrain game mode..

Then feel free to exit the thread if you are not contributing anything constructive.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Sad about WvW these days. All I know is since HOT I have been having some insane fun in EoTM. Might have something to do with large number of players…..ahem!

Ahem.

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Heck lets just turn LA into an insane champ train

Or you could spend more time contributing in a constructive way and answering the questions that I asked you jayne.

Just letting people know who’s posting here and what their ideal is.

We already know about you.

I did answer your questions. You chose to ignore my responses. Perhaps you could answer mine?

I don’t know what that comment you quoted was in reference to, but people are entitled to change their mind and opinions. Obviously (s)he is have some good experiences in eotm, so who cares what they might have said in the past.

Your quoting provides nothing constuctive to the thread. You didn’t provide and solutions to the problems and questions the devs are asking themselves.
If you want to post here then fine, post, but contribute with constuctive comments, debates and suggestions of your own.

And yet you still don’t answer my questions, yet I’ve answered yours. I think in comparison I’ve contributed more to this thread.

The same can’t be said of you:

Swagger.1459:

You are running in circles and not really paying attention. I would suggest you go back and reread all my posts then come back and have this discussion.

Swagger.1459:

I don’t care what any of you suggested in the past, we need plausible suggestions and solutions to the big problems happening right now before the devs just drop another patch based off of “friends and family” feedback…

Swagger.1459:

I don’t care what you posted in another thread or what topic you have made. I’m talking about THIS thread.

Pay attention.

Swagger.1459:

Your precious wvw is bleeding out and most of you are niggling about auto upgrades and server transfers… Most of you peeps don’t think about real solutions, you are all stuck with your server pride stuck somewhere and can’t see the forest from the trees…

And I’m not saying you specifically, but if I look I’m sure to see things that don’t really address big issues. By all means, though, go answer those questions I presented and let’s see what you got.

The above is basically all you’ve contributed to this thread.

How is that on topic and constructive?

When asked for concrete examples, you avoid and throw insults.

And I guess I’m done making you fat.

If Anet does go ahead with this, they have had plenty of feedback indicating this is a terrible idea.

I contributed a lot more. Selectively quoting me when my entire post history is accessible is immature.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Eh, go ahead and make WvW like EoTM.

See how long the ktrain lasts until the next big shiny pops up.

Then it’ll be vacant, because the “leet hardcore” players who loved this mode of play will have left and not come back. Nobody wants to defend or scout for a bunch of random players they don’t know.

It’s sad the people who aren’t fully invested in WvW can’t see that.

I suggest you go back and read the differences between wvw megaserver and eotm megaserver I wrote out. Thanks.

I suggest you outline real scenarios instead of “you’ll love it” over and over again.

You’ve failed to address how guilds will get onto the same map without the pain of trying to get on five, six, seven times. You make vagaries about how the devs are working on squads and guild UI, but nothing concrete. If you know something about this, please share. Until then, that’s a massive problem.

You’ve failed to address how unguilded/solo guild players who are the backbone of most server’s defense team will be able to get on the same map they’ve been playing together for the past three years.

You don’t offer solutions to people being thrown together randomly, and the effective destruction of the meaning of team. If you cannot rely on a set group of people, and not just within a guild, throughout the whole server, then communication falls apart and it’s a crap shoot if you get a “good” map or not. How will you address that?

You don’t offer anything concrete about how teams will be sustained, outside of mentioning TS, which is something the .. wait for it .. community created, not Anet.

You don’t offer anything concrete on how EoTM and Mega-server WvW WILL differ.

When pushed into a corner and asked to actually use your “critical thinking” you sling insults and call people elitist.

No dear, the term is “invested.”

Come up with answers to these questions and problems.

I doubt you will.

If you look at my posting history, I’ve been overly pollyanna about almost any new thing that’s come along. I’ve advocated for people to test stuff out and not give Anet so much grief over things.

Why then am I reversing my optimist personality and bristling at you?

Actually I did. Go back and reread.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Sad about WvW these days. All I know is since HOT I have been having some insane fun in EoTM. Might have something to do with large number of players…..ahem!

Ahem.

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Heck lets just turn LA into an insane champ train

Or you could spend more time contributing in a constructive way and answering the questions that I asked you jayne.

Just letting people know who’s posting here and what their ideal is.

We already know about you.

I did answer your questions. You chose to ignore my responses. Perhaps you could answer mine?

I don’t know what that comment you quoted was in reference to, but people are entitled to change their mind and opinions. Obviously (s)he is have some good experiences in eotm, so who cares what they might have said in the past.

Your quoting provides nothing constuctive to the thread. You didn’t provide and solutions to the problems and questions the devs are asking themselves.
If you want to post here then fine, post, but contribute with constuctive comments, debates and suggestions of your own.

Edit- and if anything, all you are doing by quoting that person is highlighting how opened minded they are, and how close minded you are.

Jayne.9251:

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Sad about WvW these days. All I know is since HOT I have been having some insane fun in EoTM. Might have something to do with large number of players…..ahem!

Ahem.

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Heck lets just turn LA into an insane champ train

Or you could spend more time contributing in a constructive way and answering the questions that I asked you jayne.

Jayne.9251:

Eh, go ahead and make WvW like EoTM.

See how long the ktrain lasts until the next big shiny pops up.

Then it’ll be vacant, because the “leet hardcore” players who loved this mode of play will have left and not come back. Nobody wants to defend or scout for a bunch of random players they don’t know.

It’s sad the people who aren’t fully invested in WvW can’t see that.

I suggest you go back and read the differences between wvw megaserver and eotm megaserver I wrote out. Thanks.

EylanaE.1579:

First of all, for constructive feedback take a look at these links, you’ll find plenty from my perspective:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/How-Heart-of-Thorns-affected-WvW/first#post5809441
https://eylanae.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/wvw-after-hot/

As for this mega servers thing, it’s safe to say it would ruin the way I love to play this game.

What really bothers me is the word “Server Pride”. For the majority of people it hasn’t got anything to do with server pride (and even if it does it’s fine). It has everything to do with a servers community, the people playing. Over the years these communities have grown to be pretty organized, website and ts. When playing on a server you get to know so many people, not just your guildies, but also the pug commanders with the regular players, the guilds, roamers, scouts and you even get to know your opponents.

This is the strength of a server based model imo. Because people know each other they will fight together, not for PPT, but to help each other. And every server needs them all, public commanders, pugs, fighting guilds, ppt guilds, roamers, scouts and new players eager to learn.

Any mega-server like idea will destroy these communities. And to be honest, it’s the only thing left that has some importance for me as it is, WvW wise.

As for population balance? How about fixing the core issues WvW is suffering from first, that way there might be some population left to balance.

You will absolutely love megaservers and come back to these forums praising the devs! You’ll meet more like minded friends, have more peeps to play with regularly, get more rewards, have more fights, run lots of tournaments…

Loosmaster.8263:

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Sad about WvW these days. All I know is since HOT I have been having some insane fun in EoTM. Might have something to do with large number of players…..ahem!

This…look at all of the EotM instances and compare them to NO ques in WvW and tell me where people are playing. The Ktrains don’t happen like they use to. There are some actual fun instances.

This too… Sad people can’t see it…

Daggos Skelito.2910:

Sad about WvW these days. All I know is since HOT I have been having some insane fun in EoTM. Might have something to do with large number of players…..ahem!

This is what I’m talking about, but sadly nobody listens…

Offair.2563:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Edit- I would also like to remind you peeps that there are 4 wvw maps that all count toward objectives. Individually and collectively there is a lot of room already on these maps, but again, the devs will look into things.

Feel free and join eotm and try to get in different instances all the time. Then count the instance people actually work together with scouts/roamers/defenders/siegers/zergers. I am sure you won’t find them much around.

You are running in circles and not really paying attention. I would suggest you go back and reread all my posts then come back and have this discussion.

sercommander.6817:

Disable ALL Hero Points in HoT maps while meta events ar up – seriously, did you ever test impact of HP trains when map becomes full and event goers cant invite those ho will help them?

That’s not going to happen and not realistic.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Well at least this thread was good for something. Players OVERWHELMINGLY do NOT want mega server for WvW.

If you consider the few posters, like you, who provided zero feedback (and deleted their post about puppet accounts just before I was about to quote it) in this thread, and would rather attempt using personal attacks and “+1000” that provide irrational counter arguments, then sure…

That’s the thing dear. There’s been tons of feedback. Has been tons of feedback for years here. You are just stubbornly refusing to read/hear it.

I get that your job is to encourage this “vision” of yours, but sadly, nobody’s buying it.

obviously that feedback hasn’t worked right?

See how the players rallied to change the original required amount of hero points for elite specs? Following and supporting rational advice (like mine) is what moves the devs, so far most of you hold onto irrational thinking and server pride, and that’s what holds wvw back. Most feedback is either a nonstarter to the devs or focused on micro issues that don’t address the real macro issues. Example, some players actually believe that the way to save wvw now it to remove auto upgrades, server transfers and screwing over lesser tier servers (by merging only those) because some of you are probably sitting pretty in tier 1 like me… Meanwhile, there are population disparities across servers and players are jumping ship which only contributes to a bigger problem, rankings are predictable, no real reward structure or meaningful rewards, tournaments for meaningless junk scraps (still have my 500 junk scraps collecting dust from last year because I’m not just going to buy one measly weapon or some dragonite ore) are a rare sighting, the current maps are not conducive to a healthy competitive environment, …, …. BUT yet, some of you peeps still believe server pride is still more important right now as we type while wvw is basically on life support…

I don’t care what any of you suggested in the past, we need plausible suggestions and solutions to the big problems happening right now before the devs just drop another patch based off of “friends and family” feedback…

Jayne.9251:

Well at least this thread was good for something. Players OVERWHELMINGLY do NOT want mega server for WvW.

If you consider the few posters, like you, who provided zero feedback (and deleted their post about puppet accounts just before I was about to quote it) in this thread, and would rather attempt using personal attacks and “+1000” posts that provide irrational counter arguments, then sure…

You have spent more time commenting about me directly instead of providing solutions. I asked you questions that were relevant in order to steer the topic in a constructive direction so we can help share thoughts to save wvw.

Some of you don’t really have an interest in saving wvw, you want to save your (meaningless to the big picture) server pride in exchange for having a healthy and thriving wvw environment. Most commenters here are not really interested in looking at what is happening around the game, what it needs or providing meaningful solutions to macro problems plaguing this game mode over the past 3 years.

I’m not going to answer questions that I already provided answers to inside THIS thread. I’m not going to answer similar and related questions over and over and over just to appease you or anyone else. I’m not doing the legwork when you could easily just go read through the entire thread. Your question isn’t new here and I’ve already brought up points that address what you are asking.

I don’t care what you posted in another thread or what topic you have made. I’m talking about THIS thread.

Pay attention.

Take my above response, apply it to yourself and start providing constructive feedback and ideas to share instead of asking questions that I already provided answers to in this thread…

I could answer your questions but that defeats the purpose of learning to use some critical thinking before replying to posts.

The back pieces are part of their non for profit initiative.

Rangers are the best at

I’d like to suggest that you peeps put more thought into the answers to your own question first, you’d be surprised what you might find…

More critical thinking and idea sharing will help wvw. Server pride, elitist attitudes and narrow thought will not help wvw.

Also, if you start paying attention to systems the devs implement around the game, you can see what they are experimenting with and what direction they want to take the game…

nacario.9417:

I’d like to add the frustration that we lose our map participation % when taxing. Often when you do events the map you’re on turns out to be empty/ppl leave to other maps for metas. And if u manage to get into a taxi via lfg you lose all ur %, giving u much less rewards. That is broken, and yet devs do nuthin. I keep throwing G’s at the gemstore but nothing is happening either.

That’s exactly what happened yesterday… saw TD ORG META… Flipped over… Handful of people, no tags… Only a few minutes on the clock before the meta starts… Looked at progress bar… Zoned to DS… DS 51 minutes in the clock and tons of people standing around…

I would like you to use your critical thinking in this case to find some of your own answers. I’m not just going to keep handing things to you peeps.

Dawdler.8521:

Swagger.1459:

Megaserver wvw means you will have a larger group of players to play with, utilize and that contribute to wvw objectives, roles and meaningful ppt numbers across 4 maps…

Well except ppt wont mean much if green hold an entire instance, log off and poof the instance go away and green now get 0 points for it.

Said it before, WvW megaserver is theoretically possible but there are so many practical obstacles. The reason EoTM works is because it doesnt matter what instance you are on – no one care about ppt. No one even care about winning. I dont see any way forward with a WvW megaserver unless you completely scrap the ppt concept.

I’m pretty sure the devs can “mathematically” balance out megaserver numbers from the start.

You are still equating the exact format of eotm to wvw just because of the word “megaserver”. “Megaserver” has nothing to do with gameplay objectives or zone mechanics or internal design or ppt relevance… “Megaserver” means more people on the wvw map that are drawn from whatever home server they are from…

WvW has auto upgrades. Eotm doesn’t.

Wvw has tournaments. Eotm doesn’t.

Wvw has 4 maps that all contribute to ppt. Eotm is one map with ppt that is not connected to wvw ppt.

Wvw has its own set of achievements. Eotm has its own set of achievements.

Wvw has dolyaks. Eotm doesn’t.

…

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HoT zone mechanics are different than the regular zone mechanics, but they are all zones.

Instance content like Fractals require agony resistance and dungeons don’t, but they are both instance content.

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If by “theoretically” you mean “successfully tested and implemented in Eotm”, then yes, it is “theoretically” possible.

Tell me, what is the difference in tallying up megaserver ppt and the server ppt that we have now?

Do you think that the ppt in wvw carries more meaning than Eotm?

Don’t you think the devs will create a reward system for wvw based off of wvw ppt numbers, rank and participation?

Don’t you think that players will want to win those rewards?

Don’t you think wvw tournaments will make a comeback and be a consistent event and activity in wvw?

Devs are working on lots of stuff for wvw, and there will obviously be differences in that and eotm.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Swagger.1459:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Swagger.1459:

Phantom.8130:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..

Does eotm count toward wvw PPT?

Did eotm count in the tournament we had last year?

Dude, just…. just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself now. I’m not saying this to be a jerk. I’m not saying this to troll you. You’re putting your ignorance on display, and are in danger of becoming a joke at this point. If you honestly think that an arbitrary, artificial, and deeply flawed scoring system is the reason defenders defend, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. And if you think that defenders defend because of shinies, or because of some artificial reward in an abitrary tournament where the winners were decided before it even started, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. You have NO idea what it’s all about. You really should learn before you deem yourself fit to argue about what’s best for it.

Ignorance?

You just compared the coordination required to achieve ppt numbers to eotm that doesn’t count for anything ppt related.

Eotm does not require the coordinator required that wvw does…

You don’t think that a megaserver wvw will be completely different than eotm?

Use your critical thinking more before you use the word ignorance. You just completely embarrassed yourself with these comments and provided nothing constructive in your last two posts.

Edit- and you couldn’t even answer the questions I asked and used some rational thoughts…

Edit 2- judging by your comments, it only reaffirms some of my earlier statements in this thread.

Wait, there is no score in EotM now?

I clarified already. Eotm numbers have nothing to do with wvw ppt or tournament ppt. Please read so we are not wasting time and forum space…

It seems to me that your reading comprehension could use some work or you don’t understand what you are asking for. You claim that people would still scout, defend, etc in your EotM clone. If your claim is true why don’t these things happen in EotM? You claim that Ts wouldn’t be a problem which is hilarious. I’ve read this entire thread and it seems that you are arguing just to argue wasting time and forum space.

My reading comprehension is just fine. You all sit there and assume “megaserver” means eotm internal mechanics… That is everyone’s flawed thinking here… Megaserver eotm gameplay and megaserver wvw gameplay will be two different “things” just like they are now.

Eotm megaserver- fast paced gameplay, “casually” competitive depending on commander, learn the wvw basics, level some characters, have fun goofing off, hang out here while in queue…

Wvw megaserver- slower paced gameplay, highly competitive, fight for the meaningful ppt based off of 4 maps, requires more tactics, needs more coordination and organization to succeed, tournaments…

It boggles my mind how much most of you don’t really understand or pay attention to your own game. I’ll say it again and cap it for emphasis… MEGASERVER WvW DOES NOT MEAN MEGASERVER EOTM INTERNAL MECHANICS. Megaserver wvw means you will have a larger group of players to play with, utilize and that contribute to wvw objectives, roles and meaningful ppt numbers across 4 maps… Maps will not be empty anymore for anyone. You will have more coverage, more combat and more rewards than you do now or did before. More people there means more people doing stuff to support your side, not less…

Does everyone understand? Am I clear enough with my description? If you do not understand then ask and I will explain it again.

Edit- and if you can’t use basic communication tools like TS and map chat to organize your side in wvw then you don’t deserve to win.

I’m running around HoT in pvt gear and celestial trinkets grabbing HP. I have water as a trait line and use staff, and it’s much more enjoyable doing “healing” for groups on HP. I’m obviously not doing any serious gameplay, but I can already see a better functioning “healer”. Can’t wait to spec as a dedicated “healer” and see the full potential with tempest in there too.

I know you peeps like talking about me, but you should stay on topic and provide solutions to help wvw instead…

If you put away your server pride and elitist attitudes, you might be able to see the forest from the trees.

Phantom.8130:

Swagger.1459:

Phantom.8130:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..

Does eotm count toward wvw PPT?

Did eotm count in the tournament we had last year?

Dude, just…. just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself now. I’m not saying this to be a jerk. I’m not saying this to troll you. You’re putting your ignorance on display, and are in danger of becoming a joke at this point. If you honestly think that an arbitrary, artificial, and deeply flawed scoring system is the reason defenders defend, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. And if you think that defenders defend because of shinies, or because of some artificial reward in an abitrary tournament where the winners were decided before it even started, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. You have NO idea what it’s all about. You really should learn before you deem yourself fit to argue about what’s best for it.

Ignorance?

You just compared the coordination required to achieve ppt numbers to eotm that doesn’t count for anything ppt related.

Eotm does not require the coordinator required that wvw does…

You don’t think that a megaserver wvw will be completely different than eotm?

Use your critical thinking more before you use the word ignorance. You just completely embarrassed yourself with these comments and provided nothing constructive in your last two posts.

Edit- and you couldn’t even answer the questions I asked and used some rational thoughts…

Edit 2- judging by your comments, it only reaffirms some of my earlier statements in this thread. You consider yourself a more experienced and knowledgable vet about wvw yet I’m the one who understands more than you.

Well, I tried to warn you. By all means, continue your meltdown. You clearly have nothing other than arrogance and bluster. I AM a more experienced and knowledgeable vet than you. You understand nothing about it. You understand EotM. That’s all.

But, just to make things crystal clear for you, in no uncertain terms. Defenders defend due to server pride. Yes. Server pride. The PPT scoring system is hideously flawed, and the vast majority of matches were decided before they ever began. Everyone knew who was going to come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, in every tier, ever week. When the scores no longer matter, winning and losing is irrelevant. However, people still scout, people still sentry, and people still do all those little chores that never get done on EotM. If you ever actually ask them why they do it, most say that they do it because it helps their server. Server Pride.

If you remove servers, there’s nothing to be proud of. Everyone loses that identity, and there’s no reason for people to do any of those chores anymore. Not when you’re no longer helping people you know. There’s no sense of community left. Random bodies all standing at the same place like what happens in PvE is NOT community. It isn’t even social. It’s about as much of a community as as NY subway. It’s a bunch of complete strangers who all happen to be going in the same direction. There’s NO sense of loyalty there. There’s no reason to sacrifice your time for a bunch of random people that you probably won’t ever see again.

And I have been using critical thinking. I’ve also been using my wealth of experience at every level and ever job in WvW and my deep ties to my server’s community. You ARE ignorant. There’s just no other word for it. It is the dictionary’s definition of the word. You lack knowledge of the subject matter. Yet you arrogantly blather on and on and on and on, and act like ALL of the people in this thread are morons, and you’re somehow the only one who knows what you’re talking about. The possibility that you’re wrong about something you actually know very little about hasn’t even entered into your mind, has it? You honestly believe that everyone that actually knows what they’re talking about is wrong, and you’re right, don’t you? You don’t even need to answer those questions, because I already know the answer. This entire thread and every single one of your responses is a testament to it. The thought that you’re wrong has never even remotely crossed your mind.

And if irony is so cruel that you actually ARE an Anet dev, then you will achieve nothing but driving the final nail into WvW’s coffin. You should not be allowed to touch anything even remotely related to WvW. You’re NOT qualified for it. At all. Good day sir.

Im not “melting down”, just stating some facts, dropping some knowledge, sharing my wisdom, helping provide a voice of reason to the community and saving wvw one post at a time…

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Swagger.1459:

Phantom.8130:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..

Does eotm count toward wvw PPT?

Did eotm count in the tournament we had last year?

Dude, just…. just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself now. I’m not saying this to be a jerk. I’m not saying this to troll you. You’re putting your ignorance on display, and are in danger of becoming a joke at this point. If you honestly think that an arbitrary, artificial, and deeply flawed scoring system is the reason defenders defend, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. And if you think that defenders defend because of shinies, or because of some artificial reward in an abitrary tournament where the winners were decided before it even started, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. You have NO idea what it’s all about. You really should learn before you deem yourself fit to argue about what’s best for it.

Ignorance?

You just compared the coordination required to achieve ppt numbers to eotm that doesn’t count for anything ppt related.

Eotm does not require the coordinator required that wvw does…

You don’t think that a megaserver wvw will be completely different than eotm?

Use your critical thinking more before you use the word ignorance. You just completely embarrassed yourself with these comments and provided nothing constructive in your last two posts.

Edit- and you couldn’t even answer the questions I asked and used some rational thoughts…

Edit 2- judging by your comments, it only reaffirms some of my earlier statements in this thread.

Wait, there is no score in EotM now?

I clarified already. Eotm numbers have nothing to do with wvw ppt or tournament ppt. Please read so we are not wasting time and forum space…

Phantom.8130:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..

Does eotm count toward wvw PPT?

Did eotm count in the tournament we had last year?

Dude, just…. just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself now. I’m not saying this to be a jerk. I’m not saying this to troll you. You’re putting your ignorance on display, and are in danger of becoming a joke at this point. If you honestly think that an arbitrary, artificial, and deeply flawed scoring system is the reason defenders defend, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. And if you think that defenders defend because of shinies, or because of some artificial reward in an abitrary tournament where the winners were decided before it even started, then you need to spend less time in EotM and more time getting involved in your server’s WvW community. You have NO idea what it’s all about. You really should learn before you deem yourself fit to argue about what’s best for it.

Ignorance?

You just compared the coordination required to achieve ppt numbers to eotm that doesn’t count for anything ppt related.

Eotm does not require the coordinator required that wvw does…

You don’t think that a megaserver wvw will be completely different than eotm?

Use your critical thinking more before you use the word ignorance. You just completely embarrassed yourself with these comments and provided nothing constructive in your last two posts.

Edit- and you couldn’t even answer the questions I asked and used some rational thoughts…

Edit 2- judging by your comments, it only reaffirms some of my earlier statements in this thread. You consider yourself a more experienced and knowledgable vet about wvw yet I’m the one who understands more than you.