Guild Wars 2

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..

Does eotm count toward wvw PPT?

Did eotm count in the tournament we had last year?

Moosington.3816:

I don’t like how transient the EoTM system is and definitely like server pride, but we have a serious population issue. What about more permanent WvW server merges instead? Combine a T2 server with a few lower tier servers to balance out population. There’s 8 tiers now right? Maybe shrink it down to 5. WvW is the only thing your server really matters for now anyways, so merging them would make sense.

Well, I’m 99% sure megaservers are coming so everybody will have to put away their server pride for the greater good and future health of wvw.

Offair.2563:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

+1000. Nothing to add on this.

I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…

Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…

“Lose defenders”?

“Lose scouts”?

“Lose team framework”?

More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?

Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?

Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.

Edit- I would also like to remind you peeps that there are 4 wvw maps that all count toward objectives. Individually and collectively there is a lot of room already on these maps, but again, the devs will look into things.

So they will change an animation unnecessarily, but they won’t change the sound on the dreamer?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Swagger.1459:

This thread was a good reminder to get those hero points on my ele. Can’t wait to try tempest out!

I was sceptical of the Tempest but no longer, it’s good.

I haven’t really played my ele (tomes and craft leveling) so I’m really just running blind to get those HPs and trying to survive. It was essentially my extra bank space with good intentions to play, but I think now is the perfect time to goof around on it.

Once I unlock the elite fully I’ll test out a “focused on healing” build and see how much I can pump out of it. Should be fun.

Do you know any solutions to fix wvw?

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

You just typed out ZERO solutions to any of the main wvw problems. Not one system change in your post that serves as the foundation to build up and maintain the wvw community across ALL servers and resolves any complaints that have popped up for 3 years. ZERO.

And your SINGLE suggestion would destroy WvW entirely and turn it into a big pve karma train map, indistinguishable from any pve map in GW2.

You may have sold your “vision” as the new Devon Carver to your superiors, but I hope to God they read the feedback here.

If you spent any significant time in WvW, you’d realize that it already had a loyal and dense following, regardless of complaints on the forum.

Where are your suggestions? Surely you can come up with better solutions than I, but I haven’t seen anyting from you besides commenting on my posts.

Phantom.8130:

What the hell is up with sudden influx of people with no real experience or legitimate qualifications coming in and trying to brow beat everyone into abandoning their home servers. Then acting extremely rude, condescending and entirely dishonest when they’re called out on their complete lack of knowledge of the subject matter?

To say this whole thing feels shady as hell is an understatement…..

Perhaps you should spent more time reading and less time commenting so you understand the big picture.

You could also focus more on the topic at hand as opposed to me, but feel free to post how you want while wvw is bleeding dry…

Most wvwers PVE according to the devs btw, and most of you “die hards” suggest nothing substantial to improve wvw. I’ve looked at these forums for 3 years and it’s the same old same old posts from most of you.

The devs just commented on ppt stuff with relation to day and night, I skimmed by it, but you are saying well who cares… It’s obviously something to look at, but you peeps don’t devote enough thought on real solutions so the devs run blind most of the time…

If you “leet” veterans are so good and knowledgable, why is wvw dying as we speak? Answer that. YOU peeps failed to provide the right direction to the devs and that’s very clear. Even way before these maps, some wvw servers were dying, but where were your suggestions that filled them and keep them competitive?

It’s funny but for the longest time matches and rankings were predictable, how did you all suggest to fix that? Answer is… you didn’t provide any real answers for the devs to chew on and implement. By all mean, though, keep doing nothing to improve wvw and flex your “wvw only” rank numbers like it will fix the problems… Most of you alienate new players too on these boards with your “leet” attitudes, so how is that wvw community building for ya?

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Those weren’t all eotm, but you can keep thinking you actually know more than I on how to help wvw…

Most WvW vets have never gotten ANY levels from EoTM.

Swagger.1459:

Please show my your list of wvw fixes that address population imbalances?

Anet started to do this with the full cap on servers. Sadly people aren’t patient enough to see the benefit.

Swagger.1459:

Day and night capping ppt balancing that’s fair for all effort put into their timeframes?

Who said WvW was supposed to be fair?

Swagger.1459:

What are your reward systems?

I’d be happy with zero rewards in WvW. Most people who WvW don’t do it for the rewards or they’d have left three years ago.

Swagger.1459:

How are you going to make sure populations numbers are up consistently at any time of day?

Who needs that?

You? Ok. Not everyone feels the same way.

I don’t care if I fight outmanned or not.

Oh there we go, I’m being leet again….

Swagger.1459:

What is your structure for running tournaments consistently to generate a sense of competitiveness and keep up momentum?

Keep the server caps on. Don’t stand down from them. Force the playerbase to spread out if they won’t do it willingly. EU doesn’t have these problems. This issue is player-created.

Swagger.1459:

How are you going to attract new players into wvw and keep them playing?

By building a strong community that not only is friendly to new players, but takes the time out to teach. Most strong community servers do this. I guess you haven’t stuck around in WvW long enough to discover this.

And given the info gleaned in this thread, I think I’m done responding .. it feels like he’s trolling now. No point making him fat. I will say that if it’s discovered that he is an Anet employee, I’ll be very very disappointed.

Swagger.1459:

I’m sure I could look at your post history too and see the same tired old suggestions that do nothing for this game besides keep it in the same neglected and boring loop. Flex on oh knowledgeable ones, let us hear what your brain can summon to save your dying game mode…

You just typed out ZERO solutions to any of the main wvw problems. Not one system change in your post that serves as the foundation to build up and maintain the wvw community across ALL servers and resolves any complaints that have popped up for 3 years. ZERO.

Jayne.9251:

Loosmaster.8263:

On reset of match all colors are open, no server affiliation. One map with no overflow.

1: When you choose to play EotM, select a “Color” to represent.
2: When that color reaches map capacity, grey it out. You will need to select one of the remaing two colors.
3. When the map reaches full capacity on all three colors, another map is created.

How do you ensure that everyone who has played together every day for the past three years gets on the same map? That the team you’ve built and grown remains the cohesive unit?

You can’t with this method.

Worse still, it could mean splitting guild raids who can’t get onto the same map.

It’s a bad idea.

Sorry.

They are improving squad functions and perhaps they intend to push limits with populations…

They are also very guild focused with the guild initiative so they obviously want large groups of people to queue up and run things together…

There are lots of things the devs are going to address, but you peeps need to break out of that linear box you’re stuck in sometimes.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

I have played wvw, it’s boring as all get out… Doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m taking about. You guys are way too leet me me I guess

It has nothing to do with elitism, casualism, or randomism.

Everyone is entitled to give feedback.

This game mode has a dedicated and loyal following who have played it nonstop since day one and love it. It’s not unreasonable to ask that people giving Anet feedback have some real-time experience in the game before they advocate for such a sweeping change to its format. It’s suggesting a change without truly understanding the implications. You implied you spoke for a big chunk of WvW players. Clearly you don’t.

That’s what you’re being called on.

Your precious wvw is bleeding out and most of you are niggling about auto upgrades and server transfers… Most of you peeps don’t think about real solutions, you are all stuck with your server pride stuck somewhere and can’t see the forest from the trees…

And I’m not saying you specifically, but if I look I’m sure to see things that don’t really address big issues. By all means, though, go answer those questions I presented and let’s see what you got.

Those weren’t all eotm, but you can keep thinking you actually know more than I on how to help wvw…

Please show my your list of wvw fixes that address population imbalances?

Day and night capping ppt balancing that’s fair for all effort put into their timeframes?

What are your reward systems?

How are you going to make sure populations numbers are up consistently at any time of day?

What is your structure for running tournaments consistently to generate a sense of competitiveness and keep up momentum?

How are you going to attract new players into wvw and keep them playing?

All of you spent more time commenting on my posts and not providing solutions. Funny how you peeps want to save wvw, yet don’t really make and meaningful contributions (not in this thread at least)… I’m sure I could look at your post history too and see the same tired old suggestions that do nothing for this game besides keep it in the same neglected and boring loop. Flex on oh knowledgeable ones, let us hear what your brain can summon to save your dying game mode…

Idk, guys I think world rank 842 is experienced enough to make a judgment on wvw…

I have played wvw, it’s boring as all get out… Doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m taking about. You guys are way too leet me me I guess

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

Not when you will need to coordinate taking and holding objectives and completing events for rewards… See HoT zone wide reward structure for completing events and timers?

Does that happen in EoTM now?

There’s your answer.

does eotm have the HoT reward structure in place? No. There is your answer. And it would be unlikely that eotm would need to get it anyway, considering it is in a healthy state and doesn’t count toward ppt…

Here read this to see a glimps of wvw future…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-wvw-predictions/first#post5794780

Why do you care what happens to wvw when the bulk of your posting history indicates a love of pve?

Amd why do you keep spamming that link. Three times already in one thread? If people want to read it, they will.

I’m allowed to comment on any portion of the game and provide feedback. I’d prefer wvw if it were more fun and rewarding. I do eotm occasionally. I spend more time tinkering around the pve game and working on characters.

I was an avid zone pvper once with over 20 characters. I spent some time in arenas as well. I’ve played solo (roamer), team support, team heals, team disruption, melee and ranged dps, minor tanking for fun, combinations of these…

My heart is more geared toward players against other players, but this game needs a lot of work on the profession development and (certain) combat mechanics ends for me to take up any real interest. I’m fully aware of what goes on and what the game lacks in many ways with regard to pvp/wvw related things. I’m experienced enough to know the gist of “things” without spending 5000 hours in a certain game mode.

When the devs start taking profession development seriously and make strong adjustments to wvw rewards, population discrepancies, certain big mechanics and stuff…, then I’ll take the game and wvw more seriously. If that day comes, then I’ll crush all you “hardcore” “server priders” under the boots of my massive and elite army of digital soldiers, not digital potters. Until then, just be grateful I’m not in wvw destroying all your competitive hopes and dreams any more than these maps did.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

Not when you will need to coordinate taking and holding objectives and completing events for rewards… See HoT zone wide reward structure for completing events and timers?

Does that happen in EoTM now?

There’s your answer.

does eotm have the HoT reward structure in place? No. There is your answer. And it would be unlikely that eotm would need to get it anyway, considering it is in a healthy state and doesn’t count toward ppt…

Here read this to see a glimps of wvw future…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-wvw-predictions/first#post5794780

These fun predictions also solve every major complaint with wvw in its current form

Diku.2546:

Swagger.1459:

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Yes…we agree on something.

New WvW = EotM = Megaserver/Faction based

Classic WvW = Server based

Actually nope, eotm stays the same and wvw gets the added benefit of being megaserver like eotm is now

I would prefer that they delete the new maps and put the alpine maps back in (with a visual makeover).

I still don’t agree with you then.

Marketing wise…

This is very similar to Classic & New Coke.

Need to realize this important distinction.

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Don’t force Classic Coke drinkers to drink New Coke.

Don’t force New Coke drinkers to drink Classic Coke.

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Keep the 2 Products separate…and you’ll have more customers at your door…in my opinion.

Wvw is failing as a whole. The devs test systems all the time. You peeps need to look at the problems and see how the devs test out solutions before changes are implemented.

I made this thread for fun, but there is more truth in there than jest…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-wvw-predictions/first#post5794780

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.

Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.

Not when you will need to coordinate taking and holding objectives and completing events for rewards… See HoT zone wide reward structure for completing events and timers?

Randulf.7614:

Swagger.1459:

Randulf.7614:

I am 110% behind this idea

And I’m 110% behind your 110%!

That is 220% more dwarf!

That’s a hellava lotta dwarf, and I like it!

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Agemnon.4608:

Maybe a new Elder Dragon can raise up vampire dwarves but because they have free will are a faction that pull a “good” Sheppard and betray those that revived them whereas another evil faction would stay loyal to the dragon who raised them.

The Elder Dragons will have to raise up a new class of dwarves as they know better than to mess with the Flatulent Dwarves. When annoyed, they can cause a big stink.

Lol

They are dwarves that originated in the mists! No retconning involved! You could do all sorts of interesting lore and things with them, sky’s the limit!

Puck.9612:

Swagger.1459:

You do realize that eotm is the testing ground for wvw right?

Yes and they’ve shown what doesn’t work for WvW. Eotm has proven that megaservers promote casual play and k-trains.

That’s the purpose of a testing ground, you find out what works and what doesn’t. You don’t test something out, find out it would destroy what’s left of competitive play, and then implement it anyway…

Open your mind…

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Yes…we agree on something.

New WvW = EotM = Megaserver/Faction based

Classic WvW = Server based

Actually nope, eotm stays the same and wvw gets the added benefit of being megaserver like eotm is now

I would prefer that they delete the new maps and put the alpine maps back in (with a visual makeover).

It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…

You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.

And that’s why wvw rewards will be based off of megaserver participation, just like rewards are handled in HoT

You do realize that eotm is the testing ground for wvw right?

Megaservers with a focus on guilds, guild alliances, guild rewards and personal rewards…

Diku.2546:

Swagger.1459:

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Haha that made me smile. Nope, sorry you guys are stuck with it until rotation next summer enjoy!

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Not joking – ANet could put the new Desert Borderland into rotation with current EotM Map to keep it interesting for the Megaserver/Faction crowd that runs there.

Just need to perhaps redo the map into 3 equal corners for Red/Green/Blue.

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Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

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This is for all the players who feel EotM is better than Classic WvW.

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EotM gets the new content & resources are devoted to improving EotM as it becomes the New WvW game mode.

Leave Classic WvW alone…that’s my opinion.

we can clearly see how interesting they really are already

These are my predictions for you guys and gals…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-wvw-predictions/first#post5794780

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Haha that made me smile. Nope, sorry you guys are stuck with it until rotation next summer enjoy!

“Let eotm have the better desert borderland map”… Most of you guys don’t even want it and you’re trying to pawn it off to eotm… Lol

It’s kinda funny when you peeps use the term “ktrain”. Eotm offers fast paced fun, teaches the basics really well, reward and xp rates are decent and there happen to be a lot of fights over objectives and bag hunting at times.

Wvw is just a slow paced and unrewarding version of eotm, and that’s not attractive to some players.

You peeps will learn to love the mega, you’ll see

Sorry to break your hearts, but I’m 99% certain you a getting megaservered, among other things…

How about giving it 20% more damage and truly make it a condition pressure weapon by making it bleed from the front too… Maybe it will see some use in meta builds then…

How about we have a better functioning sword, get rid of the root, get rid of the wonky movements and make it a more direct moment weapon that doesn’t root you and hones in on the target…

How about we remove the root on axe 5.

How about we make daggers more interesting.

How about we up the greatsword damage.

How about we all just move up to tier 1 since the doors are wide open now… That’s a solution right?

How about we get rid of a few servers and just merge all the lesser populated ones after we all transfer right?

How about anet redistribute players across all servers to new homes so we are all even?

How about we just give server transfer discounts instead? That will fix things up right?

Getting closer to providing a solution! Keep it up!

Yeah, the guy above you really mist it big time.

Still haven’t provided any solutions I see.

The map is not good for a wvw setting, that’s very clear.

Oh look, transfers to any server are open lol

So you’re saying wvw population has not declined or do you always live in denial?

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Anet tried to do it because we couldn’t do it ourselves and it wound up being a big T1 moan fest of constant threads.

Honestly, if people would just pull up their pants and organize, WvW could be awesome, instead of the huddled masses looking for pve ktrain maps.

Imagine a WvW where the servers rotated every week and you didn’t know who you were going to get each reset. EU is like this. I’d love to see this happen for NA. It’s fun.

Heck, even our King of the Heap T1 server was ousted recently, so everything’s up for grabs. Who WOULDN’T want that in their gameplay?

GvG NA tried to do this by moving to T3. I commend them for that. I know they’re having growing pains with it though.

Ok, so if you can’t do it, anet failed, you can’t come up with any real suggestion… then you may resume your +1000 comments while others figure it out for you. Try not to break the number keys on your keyboard

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Thanks for the advice!

I haven’t touched my ele in a long time and it’s been collecting dust, but I’d like to run through HoT for HPs and stuff. Any build suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

This thread was a good reminder to get those hero points on my ele. Can’t wait to try tempest out!

But those “not so bland” maps are emptier for reason I pointed out and you apparently missed the “_slight_tweak” part… Also, are you two saying that you’d prefer keeping these “ghosts of the mists” maps? Okie dokie…

Another also, ummm, you have a ton of choke and “creative gameplay” points for small groups in the old maps…

traviswrdunbar.4780:

The most interesting thing about dwarves in the Guild Wars franchise is that they went away. They were so stereotypical I couldn’t be bothered to even CARE about the whole Stone Summit civil war thing.

So Mist Dwarves can’t be more civilized, more elegant and have better hygiene than their cousins? Are you saying that all Dwarves are ill-mannered raging alcoholics and that it’s not possible to have family members that are into fine dining, social drinking and casual strolls by the ley lines at night?

Randulf.7614:

I am 110% behind this idea

And I’m 110% behind your 110%!