Guild Wars 2

Druid…

“Bringing heavy healing to GW2, unlike anything you have seen before. Strong support, very powerful in upcoming raids and WvW. Can sustain a zerg train of 20-30 players in WvW.”

http://dulfy.net/2015/09/25/gw2-druid-ranger-elite-specialization-livestream-reveal/

Tell me Druid isn’t supposed to be a healer?

Tell me why ele is doing a far far far better job at supporting and sustaining zergs?

ArchonWing.9480:

Reward tracks, obviously.

A few people have suggested participation tracks for map wide goals much like found in HoT pve. Participation would simply involve being involved in “typical” tasks such as capturing structures, killing enemy dolyaks while protecting your own, stomping and/or killing enemy players, and defending structures. Issues would involve how to deal with afk abuse, but in any case it’d be a much more meaningful reward system as opposed to who can run up and tag the lord fastest. I think anyone that’s trebbed down a wall could agree.

I like these ideas and I’ll go back to read the thread a bit more in detail too.

What kinds of rewards would you like to see awarded and earned by track or currency in wvw?

Also, you didn’t ask for specific numbers/specific builds/stats or “facts” you can see on a spreadsheet… in your title or original post.

I shared my overall experience with both healing professions according to what you were asking for…

Ansau.7326:

1- Bad design to punish people for playing.
2- It doesn’t resolve the situations where there’s no population from a server or 2 of the 3, and one server can pvdoor everything without opposition and can keep most of the structures for hours.

Yeah, you can’t punish players for playing.

These buffs do nothing anyway to address the REAL issues of population imbalances.

How about we just megaserver stuff and make numbers more even more often…

Aesculapia.9562:

right. swagger thank you for your statement but i am looking for an answer that is not as subjective as yours.

that ele is far far far better as druid and you will never play druid in any case and stacking at a boss is not your thing and stuff like that is ok, but if you could offer a little bit more than your individual prefences, something objective like numbers, u know, facts and numbers would be appreciated.

ah and sure! to each his own.

My main is ranger with ALL unlocks and most played for the past 3 years…

My ele use to be extra bank slots until recently…

Go use a build maker for base numbers.

Go roll and ele.

Get the devs to open the channel to combat stats and make an official combat stats meter.

And seriously, just slapping on a full set of celestial gears with ALL “things” tailored for healing and you’ll see those green numbers floating around the screen. You don’t even have to watch health bars because you’ll keep those heals flowing…

Aesculapia.9562:

i could not find anything on metabattle or in forum. have been witnessing a discussion today, where i felt like it was 2013 again. still a lot of ranger-hate in wvw-zerg community. so: is a healingfocused druid-ranger really still a useless zergling?

ty for your help in advance, i appreciate constructive help.

Tini

Ele staff/water/tempest is a far far far superior healer and far far far more smooth to play.

I, personally, will never use Druid healer for any content that requires healing on the move. Ever.

No, I don’t consider stacking at a boss and healing a stationary group of tightly packed players…. good or meaningful or fun or viable healing gameplay…

Instead, I’ll run the “heal myself” build for content and use my ele for any and all team/group/mass healing.

Don’t believe me? Roll an ele…

Edit- PLUS you are not limited by those terrible AF mechanics and ALL those terrible reticle aim skills in CA form… Ele just has to contend with cool downs on skills, and ele staff heal skills and pbaoe heal skills are far superior than what anything Druid healing has to offer. Plus you do lots more damage and have better on the move team support skills. Plus, staff reticle aim stuff functions better/smoother.

Tis the season devs!

In the spirit of giving for the holidays, I believe the best thing to do would be to take this new map and drop it like it’s hot…

Besides, the alpine maps have all those trees… and players have been so excited to decorate them with viles of red pixilated blood from their enemies and all that colorful blue and green loot you give them throughout the year!

It’s time. Time to finally warm the hearts and souls of your wvw players and spread some joy and cheer and hope and other good stuff…

Happy Holidays!

GS is slow and absolutely boring, like the rest of this entire profession… Reaper shroud stuff is on the slightly ok side, and the only redeeming quality of this class.

Bubi.5237:

Swagger.1459:

Nobody really cares about server pride or ppt, except the rare few that have server transfer history on their account…

I never transferred servers.
I have server pride.

The 99% salute you for your dedication!

Offair.2563:

Blaming the lack of rewards for these empty borderlands is quite silly. I never heard about anyone playing wvw solely for the loot before HoT. Don’t think thats the main reason why these new maps are empty now.

Swagger.1459:

Why is nobody playing?…

Swagger.1459:

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

The key word here is wvw in the “wvw lacks rewards” comment.

Wvw was and is boring as heck in general. Been a really slow drawn out death. But because most everybody (and their second account) do the tier one shuffle, you can see wvw still gasping for air…

These new borderland maps are why “nobody” is in these borderland maps.

But!!! It is also exacerbated by the general lack of decent rewards and reward structure…

If the devs dropped in some brandnewsupercool wvw rewards to coincide with these maps, then a bit more of the masses would be playing.

Unfortunately, though, the devs dropped in the map and are still working on that “top secret” wvw project that includes new rewards…

Again, wvw is boring as heck in general, AND in general wvw lacks rewards in general. Generally speaking, the general populas of players want to get rewarded for time and effort. That’s just how it goes and that’s part of the general problems.

These maps don’t fit wvw and there are no new incentives to go there either, or wvw in general…

Nobody really cares about server pride or ppt, except the rare few that have server transfer history on their account… Players want good maps, lots of bodies to fight and to get some phat lootz…

It’s a combo of issues in general, but these maps didn’t help the situation at all…

So what are “dynamic servers” exactly?

And how are you going to fill up every single 4 map wvw on these “dynamic servers” across the entire game?

Well you won’t have “dynamic” wvw unless you use the megaserver tech and have a good reward structure to incentivize wvw gameplay…

Brazzi.2045:

Nobady likes jumping puzzles and the map is one huge jumping puzzle ,pluse there are no rewards at the end.

Exactly

The issue is most players don’t like the new maps… That’s why they are in EB instead…

All wvw issues are not a “created by the players” problem. We play what the devs create, the devs need to create something better obviously…

Who said anything about grinding maps or gold?….

Rewards mean a lot of things…. Are you anti-reward structure?

So if there were, for example, ways to earn ascended armor and weapons with badges of honor would you complain?

Maybe the devs are going to make ascended runes and sigils for earned rewards.

Maybe the devs will make a set of special legendary armor for wvw players…

It’s called incentivized gameplay… Most players want rewards. You want more peeps in wvw? Give out better rewards…

Sigh…

Well, the devs have been working on some secret wvw project for a year and have a team plugging away at keyboards on stuff still.

Is there hope? I don’t know.

Extreme.8350:

Swagger.1459:

Extreme.8350:

Swagger.1459:

Swagger.1459:

Why is nobody playing?…

Swagger.1459:

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

I’m very confused. You are asking why the bl maps are empty… So I’m telling you why those maps are empty. I’m also adding in the fact that wvw itself is not rewarding enough for most players.

I’m not sure how much more clear I could be.

Its not rewarding enough why was it rewarding enough pre hot?
then it was 3 times more players actually queue on 2 or 3 borders instead of just EB
why did anyone play it at all pre ord since its not rewarding? but not now ?

Was EVERY server’s bl and EB filled to the brim with players dying to play wvw before HoT?

I dont know but my was and not anymore.

That answer was a no unfortunately… That’s what I’m talking about…

Extreme.8350:

Swagger.1459:

Swagger.1459:

Why is nobody playing?…

Swagger.1459:

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

I’m very confused. You are asking why the bl maps are empty… So I’m telling you why those maps are empty. I’m also adding in the fact that wvw itself is not rewarding enough for most players.

I’m not sure how much more clear I could be.

Its not rewarding enough why was it rewarding enough pre hot?
then it was 3 times more players actually queue on 2 or 3 borders instead of just EB
why did anyone play it at all pre ord since its not rewarding? but not now ?

Was EVERY server’s bl and EB filled to the brim with players dying to play wvw before HoT?

Swagger.1459:

Why is nobody playing?…

Swagger.1459:

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

I’m very confused. You are asking why the bl maps are empty… So I’m telling you why those maps are empty. I’m also adding in the fact that wvw itself is not rewarding enough for most players.

I’m not sure how much more clear I could be.

I’m giving you reasons why people are not playing wvw. You asked so I answered

So besides the karma thing, it doesn’t seem like much of an ingame winter celebration event…

Why is nobody playing?…

Swagger.1459:

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

Extreme.8350:

Swagger.1459:

I know the rewards didn’t change…

So what rewards do you get in hot?
best way to farm money is chests in sw you dont need hot for that.

:(. Did and does wvw have a great reward system?

Are there any good rewards or reward incentives to playing wvw currently?

Most common players want rewards, hence all the reward systems in game. Wvw can’t survive without a decent reward system to cater to folk. Just because some of you can scout or stand on a tower for 12hrs without some type of actual reward and be happy, most don’t share that same feeling…

Wvw lacks a decent reward system…

Ok ok ok….

The 4 wvw maps that need to be coordinated and are the place for tournaments ARE DIFFRENT than eotm..,

Overall objectives are DIFFERENT

Megaserver does not mean anything besides megaserver…

Separate the two peeps because most of you see the word megaserver wvw and megaserver eotm and make an assumption they are the same…

I know the rewards didn’t change…

Because the bl maps are not great and wvw lacks rewards.

displayname.8315:

Swagger.1459:

So what does eotm do well?

High participation numbers and better reward pace.

That’s what’s missing from wvw right now… We need to think about those fundamental things more.

The people that particate in EotM are not the ones you want in WvW. They want the most mindless PvE experience you can find. Probably all foreign prisoners being forced to gold farm/sell/scam.

I believe you are missing the points…

So what does eotm do well?

High participation numbers and better reward pace.

That’s what’s missing from wvw right now… We need to think about those fundamental things more.

What are your ideal rewards and reward structures for wvw?

Go crazy with your ideas folks…

Dawdler.8521:

Swagger.1459:

All in all, megaserver tech is a success so it serves as a great player pooling tool. It’s always fun with more players, and after all, we are taking about a player vs player environment here…

… except it would be impossible to use in a 24/7 weekly scenario where coverage decide the winner of a matchup.

Timed matches and rewards for 1st, 2nd, 3rd place winners maybe? HoT style objective reward system?

We all have to think out of the current wvw box more… Obviously all current wvw things are failing, so it’s time to make wvw great again!

I think it would be fun if anet did a reoccurring “discoveries of the month” thing. They could provide a picture of said items and starting clues…

Thoughts?

All in all, megaserver tech is a success so it serves as a great player pooling tool. It’s always fun with more players, and after all, we are taking about a player vs player environment here…

Sagramor.7395:

The fact that Anet is posting straight to Reddit instead of their official forums at all is baffling. Reddit is where users should be reposting Red posts from the official forums, not the other way around.

Then perhaps we should be more active with the gw2 reddit community instead. Healthier and more productive two way discussions are needed so…

Zetsumei.4975:

This is hilarious, a bandwagoner trying to pretend he has server loyalty

Haha yup, totally missed that for some reason…

Samhayn.2385:

At this point I feel like the could close EoTM and just have people be mercenaries on other realms not in you own tier.

Or randomly asign guild/players a color every week.

Since server is sorta just a name at the point you could set up 9 wvw “servers” when you reach the level to go into wvw you pick one of these servers and that who you fight for moving between servers can be done free but is limited to once a month and only out of the wvw season. This still gives the sense your fighting for a team well condensing the wvw population thus increasing the amount of people per map. This can also be monitored to make sure servers don’t get over stacked because you can always close it to incoming transfers.

All I know is something needs to be done to get more people per map because even on tier 3 na I have run around for over an hour with out seeing the enemy.

Close eotm??? You mean the place where people are actually playing and that doesn’t have population issues? The place where obviously players are having fun? That place should be closed? Really? For real? Is this “real life”?

If anything, they should shut down all BLs at this point instead… Just keep EB for y’all…

Wvw server loyalty is almost dead. Wvw itself is almost dead.

It’s a handful of you on the boards, wearing homemade BG #1 t-shirts, trying to rally 10 loyal soldiers while the rest of the troops either quit the war and went home or went to the other side…

Reminds me of that movie Braveheart, but this version only has a handful of soldiers to hear the inspirational speech…

The phrase “a day late and a dollar short” come to mind as well…

So jayne, what are ALL your solutions to make sure that EVERY server has tons of players having fun and providing enough coverage on EVERY bl and EB map?

Give me a complete system from A-Z to fix ALL population issues and that creates incentives to play consistently…

fixit.7189:

They do not care, they got HoT box money and if people leave; no big deal to them. Infact that is a good thing, less server costs! Win win for them.

The devs do care, but something severely wrong is happening around headquarters. I don’t know.

What I do know is this… There are many great elements to gw2, but for all those great elements, it feels like pieces of a product instead of a whole product… Kinda like putting together a puzzle and having missing pieces… That’s the overwhelming feeling when I play…

I have never felt like that at all in any game that I’ve ever played. When we were told we would get X, we got X. Not pieces of an X. Sure, all big patches and xpacs have issues, but not to this degree… A 3 boss ultra mini raid and not even a legendary gear preview?… A year into some super secret wvw project, but they just decide to throw in a map NOW for no real reason that I can see… Spvp and esports- Are we seriously still at a point where matchmaking and points can’t be figured out? I mean league stuff is going on but profession balance, matchmaking and ranking systems are still all craycray…

Idk.. But again, something or somethings are severely going wrong… I think it’s time that we all open up some serious communication channels around here…

So bubi, how are you going to save wvw across the whole game while keeping the individual server model?

I’m seeing a lot of words and no real solutions that are better to a megaserver style wvw.

Put up some detailed ideas and let’s give it a discussion whirl..

Bubi.5237:

Swagger.1459:

So bubi, what are ALL your solutions to make sure that EVERY server has tons of players having fun and providing enough coverage on EVERY bl and EB map?

Give me a complete system from A-Z to fix ALL population issues and that creates incentives to play consistently…

Before we make any big, system-wide changes, we need a long discussion with Anet devs about it, so they know what exactly the people want. Something they called CDI.
If they want me to take their efforts seriously, first they have to make fast-changes, band aids, so we can have fun while making the best out of the resources they have for wvw.

“We”, as the wvw forum, posted countless ideas, great ones or not so great ones, but almost never got feedback. I’ll not propose a complete system-overhaul, as it’ll never happen anyway.

But I’ll protest against every change that makes the little fun we have in wvw even less, as that’s the last thing we need. Even less fun.

And Who Said That Every Server Needs “tons of players” To Have Fun?

Lowest-Tiers had people having fun there with their less-than-tons population, as they liked that style. Why want you to destroy their fun? ‘Cos it’s not yours? ‘Cos you can’t understand it? ‘Cos you don’t even know they like it that way?

You just want to push your Golden Megaserver system to all of us as The Solution, advertising it in every thread if you have an opportunity.

Besides, as you don’t have to be a master-chief to say if a food tastes bad (for you), I don’t have to propose anything but can say that your idea will make my wvw less fun.
It’s constructive criticism, not implementing megaserver is a better “change” for my wvw than implementing it.

Again, what are YOUR detailed A-Z solutions?

I don’t care about anything else. I want to know what YOUR fixes are…

So bubi, what are ALL your solutions to make sure that EVERY server has tons of players having fun and providing enough coverage on EVERY bl and EB map?

Give me a complete system from A-Z to fix ALL population issues and that creates incentives to play consistently…

Fun with less players in total?

In a player vs player environment?

You mean an area where the devs spent thousands of hours and a million dollars (whatever) creating so players could clash against other players?

Go to spvp for less players…

Wvw means WORLD vs WORLD vs WORLD…

World= big = mass = many = put em all together and let them beat the carp out of the other pixelated character…

So let’s all enjoy my original post from today…

Swagger.1459:

It’s kind of amusing seeing the “save server identity” and the anti-megaserver comments…

According to the devs, most wvwer accounts participate in pve where they enjoy the benefits of megaserver…

Spvp players gain the benefit of megaserver.

Eotm is always packed and players are enjoying the benefits of megaserver.

Some of you want fuller bl, bl, bl and EB maps, yet still think the segregated server idea is good…

Also, you see the word “megaserver” and assume that means eotm gameplay mechanics… “Megaserver” = more players being placed on the same map… And that’s what you all want but fight against… Not logical… Not rational…

“But if we had a free server transfer”…. And left other servers with less wvw population…

“But if we took out auto upgrades”… This won’t make a difference…

“But if we just closed down and merged servers”… You mean the servers where thousands upon thousands upon thousands of players are enjoying pve and not interested in wvw… just for the benefit of YOUR wvw experience… Pretty nice and selfish of some of you to destroy pve communities for the sole benefit of YOUR wvw experience…

“But we don’t need rewards because true wvw players fight for server honor and don’t need rewards”… Meanwhile you are in pve building up your ascended equipment to gain a competitive gear edge…

Not logical… Not rational…

The devs are sitting back and looking at and compiling a list of wvw complaints, then looking at some of your suggestions going… Huh? What? Really?… And this is probably why it’s standard protocol to not talk and just find their own solutions because there are very little viable solutions being offered or presented… And what decent solutions pop up occasionally get drown out by the “noise”… So the devs just ask some friends and family members to give the green light on stuff and call it a coding day…

Yup

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I think you missed the part about “after last tournament”…

Please read so I don’t have to post in circles clarifying and reclarifying over and over…

And 5 years of rvr experience and some arena experience as well, and playing roles in pvp environments/modes such as team heal, disruption, cc, buff/debuff, melee and ranged dps, some tanking and combinations of these… But I’m just a very part time ktrain eotm kiddie after the last wvw tournament and spend more time in pve now because all wvw related player vs player stuff here is boring and unrewarding as hell…

Even without my past experiences, gw2 wvw is not hard to figure peeps…