Guild Wars 2

So I put in an old Geforce 9400 GT I had and took out my two 7970s just for giggles on my system to see how it would perform in GW2 in LA specifically.

At Best appearance: 3-4 fps

At Best Performance: 17-20 fps

And in pve solo:

Best Appearance: 5-6 fps

Best Performance 35-60 fps (mostly 40 fps)

Hope this helps.

Bazeleel.8219:

I know it is not my PC. I can run run BF3 at 90FPS on max settings and stream it at 60 just fine. Ive tested this with SWTOR, SCII, Farcry3, skyrim, and many other high end graphic games.

So again can a GW2 dev possibly comment on this please. I understand you guys are trying to help but I know its not my PC.

Meh. Should your PC be able to run GW2 at medium graphics at a steady 60 fps? probably. Will it ever? Probably not. See here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtMZJh0-nVU That system has trouble getting 40 fps in some places in LA on max settings depending on where you are looking.

Nah, no effects like fog in LA ;p It has to do with that statue that is normally there in the middle of LA. Whether its there or not, there is always problems there.

You’ll notice in any other part of LA, you’ll get higher FPS, but when you get to the middle and look around where the statue is (or was) it always dips.

It’s pretty normal unfortunately. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtMZJh0-nVU

edit: I want to add before this last patch, I was getting 50-60 fps in LA. Just depends on what they’re doing at the moment there, but it’s always pretty bad.

What cpu do you have? There are cpus that when overheating, will drop down to a lower speed in order to cool off. Are you overclocking? Is it a laptop or desktop? What components do you have and what power supply do you have?

exodusprime.3154:

I can’t believe some of the crap being posted here… so let me help clear things up.
1. having a card in a x16 slot and and x4 slot does not cause noticable performance drops. this has been tested at least a hundred times by various sites. heres one foryou to look at: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-crossfire-nvidia-sli-multi-gpu,2678-5.html
2. This game sux with crossfire enabled. The micro stuttering is horrible and often FPS is lower than with a single card. Pretty much why anybody running this game in “windowed, full screen” will see an increase when using crossfire.
3. Everyones idea of a “cpu heavy game” is horribly mis interpreted. I play this game on an i7 2700k at 5.0Ghz under water with 8 gigs of ddr3 2133 and crossfire 7970’s. If i downclock my cpu to stock i get no change in framerate. CPU heavy game would be Metro 2033 or battlefield 3. This game has never shown to have drastic clock changes based on cpu’s of the current generation. Perhaps and i3 or the older core 2 duo’s may, but then again the game doesn’t really load up the cpu as much as people think. His cpu at stock is more than enough to push good frames from this game.
4. Under no circumstances do board slot colors indicate their performance. PCI express slots can be different speeds depending on the board, or more importantly how many gpu’s you are running. Some cut down lanes based on this. This is because the chipset only has a usual number of 32 total lanes to dedicate to the pci express bus. Thus if you plug in two cards you get 16 each, ifyou plug in 3 you may get 16,8,8. It does no downscale the first pci express slot until you’ve got more than 3 or so cards. Not all boards exibit this behavior but for the most part refer to point one, it makes little to no difference.

This game is simply not good with crossfire, other than disabling it and running the game with an overclocked single card, i’ve never been able to get a positive return with crossfire and i’ve tried every driver i can for my 7970’s

Actually most motherboard manufacturers will color their pci slots different colors depending on what speed they are, this is not a standard and they can be any color. You will get worse performance on crossfired high end cards, if you have 1 on a 16x and one on a 4×. You will get worse performance if you have ONE graphics card and its only using 4x and not 16×. Also crossfire works just fine in this game with the newest drivers and caps. I get double the FPS in crossfire than if I disabled crossfire. So on all accounts you’re wrong.

No. A solid state drive will decrease the time it takes to load levels on any game, but it will not increase your FPS.

Sorry man. Im stumped.

Also in gw2 you can offset the camera slightly left or right of your character to adjust for the center bezel on a 2 monitor setup.

You only need 1 display port if you have 3 monitors. For 2 monitors 2 dvi/hdmi will work fine

SolarNova.1052:

My advice for a cost effective setup would be.

Intel 2550k + Motherboard + Evo 212 cooler (OC to 4.5ghz)
GTX 560ti or ATI equivalent
8 or 16 gb 1600mhz RAM
600W PSU minimum, recommend 750w

If that doesnt fit inside your case or your case has bad cooling then any ~£60 gaming case will do. If you HDD’s and Optical drivers are still IDE, then you will need some Sata drives. They dont cost much. ~£20 for optical and ~£75 for 500gb-1TB HDD.

Looks like a great setup to me. I agree with nova.

theres the instructions on setting up eyefinity. Should be the same just with 2 monitors not 3.

I tried it on 2 monitors for fun and it worked fine except cut scenes were zoomed in to the characters too far.

You can play on 2 monitors. You need to setup either eyefinity on amd or whatever nvidias is called.

If you guys own your own router, and its not the cable company’s, you should be able to type in the ip address of the router (google search the ip address for your specific model router) and find a log file which will give you some sort of insight at what might be happening when your network drops.

Anyway heres the page I found some of those suggestions I gave you on http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=340914

It appears one guy said the card was rather long and weighted heavier on one side and it actually was loose at one end. The disabling and re enabling of the 2nd gpu worked for one guy in the device manager. Let me know if you get it working with any of those suggestions.

Do you have Catalyst AI set on? Also have you tried disabling the 2nd gpu in device manager and re enabling it? Finally if that doesn’t work, try uninstalling CCC and see if that has any effect.

Kitama.6471:

Are there any updates on fixing this issues. I keep searching but am finding nothing.

I had two monitors running in eyefinity just to confirm that the problem was still prevalent and it was. In character interaction cutscenes, the display is zoomed in and the heads and legs are cut off.

When you run gpu-z , does it show that while you are running GW2, that it is at pci-e 3.0 x16 @ x16 or pci-e 3.0 x16 @ x1?

can you take a screen shot of the OSD in game? it may not be showing both on account of GW2 being minimized.

Have you run msi afterburner on screen display to confirm both gpus were not being utilized?

Also what area is your fps testing from? Cities? WvW? Pve by yourself or in a bigger DE?
Also what motherboard are you using?

Though I don’t believe this is the bulk of your problems, did you happen to also download the CAPs from Amd as well? Without them you won’t get great crossfire support in GW2.

Actually a 5970 is a single gpu card. A 5990 would be a dual gpu card.

Btw zerk are you sure that doesn’t mean that both slots support both 4x and 16x? Both slots are colored blue on the motherboard which normally means they both support 16x

Edit: I read another article and confirmed that in crossfire one of the pcie slots lowers to 4×. That is very misleading.

Thanks for the info zerk, those specs are a bit misleading because it also says it supports crossfire and quad crossfire. Not sure what good that does with 1 slot that only supports 4x speeds.

Try the 12.11 drivers instead if the 12.10 give you trouble

Moonstruck.3612:

I was actually looking at the PCI-e link after my original posts. I noticed on my GPU monitor gadgets that one was at x16 and the other at x4. Pretty sure that’s where the problem lies. Now I’m trying to figure out how to resolve it. I’ve already switched the cards between slots, so the issue must be with the slot. I’ve blown it out with canned air and it looks clean. I’ve looked for settings in the BIOS and can’t find any that relate specifically to PCI-e link. I also went into my Windows power profile and ensured that power management for PCI is disabled.

Any other thoughts?

Interesting. I’ve taken a look at your motherboard and if you listed the right one, you only have 2 pci-e slots and they both are 16x slots, so that shouldn’t be the problem. Are there any power saving features in the bios that you can find that are enabled possibly? I did a quick search on that motherboard and a guy had a problem with the card going to 8x, and he said he fixed it, it was a powersaving feature. http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/49615-p67-pro3-down-pci-e-8x.html

The CAPs are Catalyst Application Profiles. They are basically what tells the gpu how to play the game in crossfire. If you don’t have the CAPs you will get much lower fps. You download the caps from the same page as your amd drivers.

^what a load of garbage lol. OP do you have the latest drivers from amds website as well as the newest CAPs. Also are both of your video cards in the right pci slots? If one is in a 16x slot and one is in an 8x slot, they will both run in 8x hense it will be slower in xfire. You can download gpuz to find out what speeds they are both running at.

Binding isn’t really a macro. A macro I would think could be frowned upon is binding a whole rotation to 1 button. Binding won’t give you an unfair advantage as everybody has the option of doing it.

According to the post above, you can not be temp suspended from one incident. So you must have had multiple infractions in order to get banned.

Naqaj.6219:

Mrowqa.3861:

First of all get Ati card instead of Nvidia. They seems to preform better in this game due to bandwith of data etc.

Interesting, my impression just from monitoring the feedback on here was the opposite. Did anyone do the work to pull together a list with graphics cards and reported FPS for comparison?

It doesn’t seem like a placebo because we have people with gtx690s and 2×680s and 2×670s getting horrific fps on a decent cpu as well. Im not saying thats the case for all nvidia users but it does happen quite often. I only go down to 30 fps in giant events where everybody is spamming their abilities at the same time. I normally get 80-200 fps in pve depending on what Im looking at and get a pretty solid 55-60 fps in big cities like the black citadel and LA.

@OP do you have any sort of on screen display running while playing? Some of these can make gw2 crash when loading if you have them running at the same time. They would be the same programs that display fps of the game you are playing.

And btw OP, I have two 7970s and its only because of my 3930k oc’d that gives me 50-60 fps in LA. During the Halloween event, I had 30-40 fps in LA. Cities and WvW are very cpu heavy.

Turn sli off. You will get half the fps as when sli is enabled. What cpu do you have?

We already have Sli/crossfire support

No.

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Good catch, Rabbid. Definitely check that out OP

There is a crossfire profile for gw2. It came out a month or two ago. I can confirm crossfire doubles my fps. Make sure you have the newest drivers (12.11 beta) and are using the newest catalyst application profiles (Caps)

When you turn the camera and the fps goes down that is occlusion culling. They need to fix that for sure.

Just log in at like 3 am and xfer

If I were you, I would sell the computer separate from the monitors you own. It’s a nice computer and you put a lot of work into it but it’s going to be a hard sell at 5 grand for any budget especially since the person buying it still has to overclock so it narrows whos going to buy it. Sell the computer for 2500 and sell the monitors for 2500 on ebay. That’s probably your best bet.

Canyourunit just goes by the minimum requirements. Unfortunately the minimum requirements set doesn’t mean you will be able to run the game smoothly if your computer meets them. A lot of people are having issues with getting low fps in this game regardless of their system. You would need a new computer basically if you wanted to run the game more smoothly.

Whats the CPU overclocked to?

Congrats Rabbid. Your amd cpu is amazing.

Rabbiddog.7690:

Swordbreaker.2581:

Rabbiddog.7690:

SolarNova.1052:

Pozmol ..you rigs problem is the CPU ..its AMD.
Your playing a cpu intensive game. AMD isnt really the choice for gaming tbh, becouse atm gaming is not optimized to use all threads. Even their best gaming CPU is no match for Intel’s gaming CPU’s. Its kinda like buying a GTX 630 over a GTX 670, the 630 is a media gpu the 670 is a gaming gpu.
AMD is media basicaly and Intel is gaming. You get what you pay for unfortunatly.
I got nothing against AMD i used to use them back in the day ..their cpu’s are fine ..for multithread optimised applications like encoding and such ..but for gaming Intel is the clear choice.

If a person cant afford a Intel setup (as is the main reason people use AMD) then they have to be prepaired to get what they pay for bassicaly…every now and then AMD may come out with somthing that is actually really good for the money ..like their current generation GPU’s ..but on average ..they are the ‘cheap’ option for a reason.

Please dont take this as fanboy talk or being bias ..its just fact.

Hmn, that’s funny. Cause I’m running a Phenom 1100t (no OC and stock cooler) and getting average 70-80 FPS (with spikes up to 100+) in most areas with it not dropping below 40 FPS in the worse areas (like LA). But I’m sure that’s not because of my AMD CPU.

BTW, I see just as many FPS issues threads with people running Intel CPUs.

Well thats not really a fair comparison. The 1100t was the best (and probably is still the best) amd cpu out there. Just because you get good fps with an 1100t doesn’t mean the other amd cpus should get the same frame rate.

That wasn’t the comparison or point of my reply. Re-read SolarNova’s comment and then that should put my reply to him in better context for you.

I did re-read SolarNova’s comment and for the most part he is right. Just because you have an amd cpu doesn’t mean you are going to get bad fps, but a lot of the amd cpus do suck compared to i5’s. The 1100t is an exception to the rule ,and I wouldn’t brag about 40-50 fps in pve (which alteris did and made the point that amd cpus don’t suck because he was able to get 40-50 fps) :/ 70-80 fps is great. If you have a setup that works for you, then good for you. I wouldn’t make a blanketed statement that simply isn’t true though that just because you have a amd cpu and have good fps that amd cpus normally aren’t crap because they are, in comparison to modern sandybridge/ivybridge intel cpus. The people with intel cpus that are getting bad fps are the generation of cpus before sandybridge, and core 2 duos, OR they have decent cpu’s with something like the nvidia 680 and 690, which to be honest, don’t perform as well as amd GPU’s for some reason in GW2 (when they should do just as well if not perform better than amd gpus.

You’re quite smug about the fact that you have an amd cpu and you get good fps. I would be willing to bet that you either don’t have everything turned on high, or you have cards in sli/crossfire. It’s not a conspiracy theory that amd cpus suck compared to intel cpus. All you need to do is look up the tom’s hardware article that plainly shows amd cpus getting their kittens kicked by intel cpus.

Rabbiddog.7690:

SolarNova.1052:

Pozmol ..you rigs problem is the CPU ..its AMD.
Your playing a cpu intensive game. AMD isnt really the choice for gaming tbh, becouse atm gaming is not optimized to use all threads. Even their best gaming CPU is no match for Intel’s gaming CPU’s. Its kinda like buying a GTX 630 over a GTX 670, the 630 is a media gpu the 670 is a gaming gpu.
AMD is media basicaly and Intel is gaming. You get what you pay for unfortunatly.
I got nothing against AMD i used to use them back in the day ..their cpu’s are fine ..for multithread optimised applications like encoding and such ..but for gaming Intel is the clear choice.

If a person cant afford a Intel setup (as is the main reason people use AMD) then they have to be prepaired to get what they pay for bassicaly…every now and then AMD may come out with somthing that is actually really good for the money ..like their current generation GPU’s ..but on average ..they are the ‘cheap’ option for a reason.

Please dont take this as fanboy talk or being bias ..its just fact.

Hmn, that’s funny. Cause I’m running a Phenom 1100t (no OC and stock cooler) and getting average 70-80 FPS (with spikes up to 100+) in most areas with it not dropping below 40 FPS in the worse areas (like LA). But I’m sure that’s not because of my AMD CPU.

BTW, I see just as many FPS issues threads with people running Intel CPUs.

Well thats not really a fair comparison. The 1100t was the best (and probably is still the best) amd cpu out there. Just because you get good fps with an 1100t doesn’t mean the other amd cpus should get the same frame rate.

you can compare wow against running it on an older computer two to 3 years ago. You cannot compare wow with running on a newer computer verses running rift or Guild Wars 2.

It is apples and oranges.

WoW is 10 years olds. You can’t be serious.