Guild Wars 2

I always consider myself double-downed if I go down on a Necro. Fortunately the class is so strong that it kind of evens out, but it’s easy to the naked eye to see that there is something off about necro downed state.

Sorry Bas, been busy recently, and even when running bandicam I always forget to hit record on inc. I promise to actually have some decent video… one day. Until then there is the quick playstyle and solo videos made from like 2 days of recording

IGN: Talentless Necro
NA or EU: NA
Server: Jade Quarry
Access to Mumble: Yes
Video Capture Capabilities: Bandicam
Easiest Day for you: hard to say, been busy recently. Best around 7-10pm EST. Can plan accordingly.

My Necro doesn’t die, so this isn’t a concern.

I use traited focus as my 1200 range, Axe as I move in, then Dagger to kill. Playstyles will vary, but there isnt another Necro that can kill me, period.

1.) Remove the limit currently on damaging aoes to allow small-man operations with better coordination to more easily deal with zergs. Retain the 5-person limit to defensive aoes/buffs.

2.) Remove the unlimited nature of buffs for non-party members. If random player X could no longer provide speed buff for others outside his group, the zerg couldnt move at perma-swiftness. A zerg shouldn’t be able to move as quickly as a 5man.

GW2 can never be daoc. Real pvp’ers have been split between spvp and wvw. The playerbase of WvW is mostly carebear zergers and you cant find enough people running gw2 “8mans”.

Some of the game’s mechanics like aoe limits and unlimited buffs for outside party members dont help, but I still think most fault lies with the bad players.

Is DH a guild we should know on BG?

Liquid.9672:

Jedbacca.6297:

@Havoc work, Mance and Talentless were both working in supply denial.

Out of curiosity, do they play a D/D Ele and Thief? If so, I ran into them a few times. Props to them for doing the boring but important stuff.

When Jed says I was running havoc.. I was duoing with a fellow SF thief last night only. We had the same success usually reserved for typical 5man operations though since everyone and their mother was in Garrison.

Papaj.9035:

I was gonna call you a liar Jed and say that you failed on a weekly basis in your quest to beat Sea of Sorrows back when you were on SBI, but then I saw the qualifier of the statement, “map.” You should’ve been in JQ Bay keep tonight instead of in BG Garrison. I always prefer SBI loot bags to JQ ones.

I’m sorry, do you matter? I for one have never heard of you nor taken note of your guild on the battlefield.

Samhayn.2385:

Talentless.5708:

I dont normally make posts like this, but LOL at the 5-6 SOR that chased me for about 5 minutes just now on BGBL only to have a necro display how it is better than the 2elems and whatever else you had at escaping

Grats! They should make a title for you. Some thing like “Brave Sir Robin”

I’ll take it

I dont normally make posts like this, but LOL at the 5-6 SOR that chased me for about 5 minutes just now on BGBL only to have a necro display how it is better than the 2elems and whatever else you had at escaping

pot.6805:

So this is like the 16th time the trolls predicted BG was dead and imploding and the 16th time they were wrong.

Im sorry, who is BG?

The OP explains quite a few guilds on Blackgate.

Tobias Steele.2071:

I can’t believe people still complain about this. If you don’t like it, change tiers or games. Don’t blame the devs for the actions of the players.

Players capped aoes at 5? Players created a kitten downy system? Players created a wxp system that has 0 pvp bonuses?

Shared responsibility.

dreztina.4820:

Top WXP ranks are going to be like the first people to hit rank12 in DAoC. The people who zerg all day long. Nothing to do with skill, just a big kill me sign because you know they’re bad.

+1

However, unlike DAoC’s abilities one earned from rps, wxp abilities are pointless for PvPers.

axe is good if you swap often.

Here’s hoping the next WvW update is PvP-related

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Disturbed.9305:

Good build for what exactly?

I think we have several good builds.

WvW, what builds are on par with the top Ele, mesmer, thief and now engi builds?

Read the forums… and not the posts made by scrubs who complain rather than learn.

read em, tried em, not up to par.

neither of you will be specific because you know there is nothing that will hold up…

btw have you gotten any better since we grouped last talentless or are you still underperforming?

Dont find myself under-performing, nor do I find myself knowing who you are… I rarely, if ever, pug out spots. Perhaps you are mistaken.

Is Talentless Necro your characters name?

Some of us arent afraid of their opinions being linked to their ign. Hence a signature.

It was a rhetorical question regarding your “perhaps you are mistaken”

I should have known you wouldn’t miss a chance to beat your chest and act superior, hence your last post…

and yes when I grouped with you in wvw that night I thought it was an appropriate name although you weren’t terrible, unless you have gotten better you shouldn’t be telling people to L2P.

still dont know you, and have my doubts. Anyone who complains about something in this game should be forced to display their character name. Furthermore enemy tags should display their names in WvW too.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Dastion.3106:

Because every Mesmer suddenly doing what you described wouldn’t force them to recognize and hot fix it?

What’s the name of this thread again. scrolls up Oh, right.

Heheh, yep. Regardless though, there is no exploit, this guy is simply either trolling or seriously kitten about a mesmer killing him. We have all known what proximity anguish is for a long time, and there’s nothing exploity about it.

Nothing buggy about 15k damage instantly on someone with 1600+ toughness?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I guess then I can discount WvW completely. Since it’s completely different from PvP anyway, and often easier.

You can if you want. Some of us enjoy the added element of avoiding zergs and trying to get the drop on an enemy. SPVP is too “structured” for me… it’s boring when I know where my enemy is and have little maneuver space… but that’s just the inner daoc 8man inside me waiting for a game to truly pick up the mantle of daoc2.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Could anyone roam with Necro? Yes. Talentless Necro on JQ does it every night in a five man havoc (sometimes less.

I do not waste my in-game time listening to people complain about a class. If you dont like it, dont play it. There are a few other choices available. I know the devs arent dumb enough to give the necro everything the whiners want, so I am comfortable playing a very powerful class that is really not in need of anything.

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Disturbed.9305:

Good build for what exactly?

I think we have several good builds.

WvW, what builds are on par with the top Ele, mesmer, thief and now engi builds?

Read the forums… and not the posts made by scrubs who complain rather than learn.

read em, tried em, not up to par.

neither of you will be specific because you know there is nothing that will hold up…

btw have you gotten any better since we grouped last talentless or are you still underperforming?

Dont find myself under-performing, nor do I find myself knowing who you are… I rarely, if ever, pug out spots. Perhaps you are mistaken.

Is Talentless Necro your characters name?

Some of us arent afraid of their opinions being linked to their ign. Hence a signature.

zaxon.6819:

Talentless.5708:

Esplen.3940:

Proximity Anguish is a betaskill but it occurs when standing near a player in stealth. The minor damage is the actual damage being taken. Getting insta-gibbed means you’re most likely running full squishy or ignoring phantasms.

More information about Proximity Anguish at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Proximity-Anguish/

If you’re not aware of the bug/exploit, dont post… if you are, then stop playing dumb

seems that you could have explained the exploit instead of kinda being snarky to esp.

I’d rather be dismissed as a troll than explain it and risk it being used more. Sorry if that sounds bad. Anet has the submitted screenshots and reports, just hoping to bring more attention to the problem without influencing an increase in its use.

Dredlord.8076:

Talentless.5708:

Dredlord.8076:

Disturbed.9305:

Good build for what exactly?

I think we have several good builds.

WvW, what builds are on par with the top Ele, mesmer, thief and now engi builds?

Read the forums… and not the posts made by scrubs who complain rather than learn.

read em, tried em, not up to par.

neither of you will be specific because you know there is nothing that will hold up…

btw have you gotten any better since we grouped last talentless or are you still underperforming?

Dont find myself under-performing, nor do I find myself knowing who you are… I rarely, if ever, pug out spots. Perhaps you are mistaken.

Esplen.3940:

Proximity Anguish is a betaskill but it occurs when standing near a player in stealth. The minor damage is the actual damage being taken. Getting insta-gibbed means you’re most likely running full squishy or ignoring phantasms.

More information about Proximity Anguish at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Proximity-Anguish/

If you’re not aware of the bug/exploit, dont post… if you are, then stop playing dumb

It has been days since the patch, and Anet is still allowing people to get instantly blown up with combat logs showing 5-12damage. Fix this now… Mesmers are already a very strong class… they dont need insta-death buttons.

Dredlord.8076:

Disturbed.9305:

Good build for what exactly?

I think we have several good builds.

WvW, what builds are on par with the top Ele, mesmer, thief and now engi builds?

Read the forums… and not the posts made by scrubs who complain rather than learn.

Best moment of the night on BGBL:

Having the FEAR, LUN, CDS, TW zerg chase my havoc squad from our spawn tower to the west coast of war machine island before turning back to our spawn tower allowing us to feed off the 4-5 people who the zerg forgot about.

gotricekitten.4812:

For Jade quarry to facilitate this behaviour i understand more because it gives them the edge. You guys make a strategy to keep BG down, thus heightening your lead. It’s a viable strategy and I completely understand that. I have no problems.

For SOR to be doing this, though, it’s like they are literally just playing only for 2nd place.

Last week and this past weekend SOR camped BG entrance while JQ easily took the keep. I know you guys are saying being double teamed is part of the game, but you guys really should be watching what is going on. I have literally seen a SOR zerg stand inside the BG keep and protecting the front while JQ tried to cap the keep. They did not even fight each other.

You guys say double teaming is part of the game, but man, this has been going on for almost 2 weeks now. Let alone the fact that SOR is hardly in JQ BL.

go to bed, sleep on your side and pray that you dont have to sit for too long tomorrow.

OP makes good point. Necro’s utility allows it to perform anything you want when matched by player skill. However, the real PvP population in GW2 is split between SPVP, TPVP, WvW and all of he various tiers. Thus, in WvW you find mostly scrubs and zergmongerers. This is not meant as a super-insult, just a fact that skilled PvP in WvW, and the ever-desired “honorable fights” some of us enjoyed in DAoC is rather lean to be kind.

Sometimes I swear I am the only one who bows after a rare “honorable fight”

HiSaZuL.2843:

Talentless.5708:

HiSaZuL.2843:

Talentless.5708:

Alkaline.2809:

Talentless.5708:

Instead of a boycott, I would suggest you play your necro more so that one day you might L2P

Always responding negative on the forums do not help.

Agreed, but I gave up hope on an OP that says he wants to boycott a class. There are plenty of positive posts, suggestion threads and even podcasts on the necro to help people who have trouble. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for people who dont want to make any effort and just go out in WvW, press a single button and kill everyone.

And I have no interest in l2p comments nor seeing “proof” in form in wvw ganking of underleveled and undergeared players getting “melted”. Granted boycotting sounds like a pretty boring and unproductive way to get attention. And cashshop is one of few things that works well. You aren’t forced into it like with 99.9% of so called “free2play” where free mostly stands for free to install.
People keep saying we have the most variety… oh joy… mediocre semblance to being on par in very specific situation. Every single of one of the so called builds is pidgenholed into a very specific situation and nothing else, outside of that situation you are immediately hit will walls and the fact that you aren’t doing jack that could ever be called productive. Yeah… the rest of classes are also pidgenholed into 2-3 viable specs with few small variation but frankly I’d take 2-3 specs that work on par with everyone else over an infinite amount of worthless garbage that can’t compete on any reasonably equal ground.
I was going to make a l2… jab… but frankly people who refuse to see anything past their own opinion are not really worth trying to have a conversation with.

enjoy your boycott. I hope you find what you are looking for. Fortunately the devs are smarter and wont make this class OP to suit kiddies.

Good job not even managing to read second sentence. That is why I said talking to people like you is a waste of time.

touche.

HiSaZuL.2843:

Talentless.5708:

Alkaline.2809:

Talentless.5708:

Instead of a boycott, I would suggest you play your necro more so that one day you might L2P

Always responding negative on the forums do not help.

Agreed, but I gave up hope on an OP that says he wants to boycott a class. There are plenty of positive posts, suggestion threads and even podcasts on the necro to help people who have trouble. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for people who dont want to make any effort and just go out in WvW, press a single button and kill everyone.

And I have no interest in l2p comments nor seeing “proof” in form in wvw ganking of underleveled and undergeared players getting “melted”. Granted boycotting sounds like a pretty boring and unproductive way to get attention. And cashshop is one of few things that works well. You aren’t forced into it like with 99.9% of so called “free2play” where free mostly stands for free to install.
People keep saying we have the most variety… oh joy… mediocre semblance to being on par in very specific situation. Every single of one of the so called builds is pidgenholed into a very specific situation and nothing else, outside of that situation you are immediately hit will walls and the fact that you aren’t doing jack that could ever be called productive. Yeah… the rest of classes are also pidgenholed into 2-3 viable specs with few small variation but frankly I’d take 2-3 specs that work on par with everyone else over an infinite amount of worthless garbage that can’t compete on any reasonably equal ground.
I was going to make a l2… jab… but frankly people who refuse to see anything past their own opinion are not really worth trying to have a conversation with.

enjoy your boycott. I hope you find what you are looking for. Fortunately the devs are smarter and wont make this class OP to suit kiddies.

Alkaline.2809:

Talentless.5708:

Instead of a boycott, I would suggest you play your necro more so that one day you might L2P

Always responding negative on the forums do not help.

Agreed, but I gave up hope on an OP that says he wants to boycott a class. There are plenty of positive posts, suggestion threads and even podcasts on the necro to help people who have trouble. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for people who dont want to make any effort and just go out in WvW, press a single button and kill everyone.

Instead of a boycott, I would suggest you play your necro more so that one day you might L2P

Renny.6571:

Talentless.5708:

Intended or not, it was what won fights…. time to adapt or die for many guilds like yours and Choo.

We are adapting. Just because culling has been removed doesn’t mean 4 seconds of your entire zerg being invisible instantly loses it’s strategic value, lol. I guess I can understand why you think it has though…

No one is saying the value is gone, it’s just been cut in half – your guild has been nerfed. Everyone has to consider the removal of culling now. I cant speak for the main SF zerg, but from what I saw during NA primetime they helped control BGBL quite well… and that was with Jedbacca screwing around in my havoc crew while our junior ROTC commanders were running the map.

Renny.6571:

Nuked.2360:

Its that 4 seconds but coming out a portal we can see you as soon as invis ends now not another 3-4 seconds later but if you don’t understand why this tactic worked you might be a lost cause.

We never intended our veil use to abuse culling. It’s primary purpose to our commanders is to hide our movement and delay the preemptive buttonmash aoe killzone you guys establish so well.

Intended or not, it was what won fights…. time to adapt or die for many guilds like yours and Choo.

Ezeriel.9574:

I need to L2P? you need to learn that just because something looks good, doesn’t mean that it is.

Sure epidemic looks cool on boss fights when you light up adds that die in seconds with 20 stacks of bleeds and what not, but is that really helping the raid all that much?

90% of the time, they would just burn down any adds without even noticing. So the fact that you played a little bit of kill stealing isn’t really all that impressive unless you are the one watching the bleed ticks fly.

If this patch has taught us anything it’s that WvW raiding parties are HUGE. Landing 4-8 bleeds on 5 guys is meaningless if you have to get close to do it, and trust me people run in and out all day long, if you want to use epidemic on the guy that just stepped on your mark of blood, you are gonna have to chase him as he runs back to his raid.

It’s not worth it.

Sure culling made it look good when you could only really see your raid and the first 5-10 of theirs, but that’s all changed now, and it’s clear to see just how painfully mediocre epidemic really is.

Your mistake is thinking that bleed is the key/only condition that should be spread. Admittedly I have not been using epidemic on my bar the past 2-3weeks, but that is due to my group makeup and small-man operations in WvW not requiring it. If I were ikittenerg, my well of darkness or spectral wall might be swapped for it.

Victor.7354:

GekoHayate.2451:

SFShinigami.2015:

Over on SF mumble we had quite a good laugh about a certain guild that shall remain nameless and their inability to adapt after this fix. It was hilarious to just kind of watch them get steamrolled because they couldn’t hide behind culling anymore.

Great 3 way in bay over on BGBL, I saw quite a few SF tags so I’m guessing you were there.

Definitely a great fight there. There were quite a few of us on BGBL.

Vic, I’m sure our main force only had 15 though right?! (love you TW, totally wrong).

FYI folks… when other servers are running in a single zerg-ball, havoc for PvP is rather boring, but you get plenty of wxp flipping stuff and have a much easier time avoiding folks now that you can actually see them. I was only online for 1-2hours last night on BGBL and counted 5-6 times where the Choo Train was spotted a mile away and caused us no difficulty.

In regards to wxp though… yay… pvp bonuses that dont increase my pvp abilities, lol.

The OP needs to L2P.

Dredlord.8076:

Skyro.3108:

@Bas

I was directing my post to you because to you painting an unrealistic scenario.

I think many bad players here are sick of you blowing rainbows and sunshine up our kitten holes with tales of realistic necro situations and your “lists of abilities” (not builds) that correctly portray an “everything is fine” necro.

Fixed your grammar. L2P.

WRod.3856:

Talentless.5708:

Today’s patch mean the end of the Choo train?

What you did there, I see it.

It’s funny how easy things are when they choo can be seen.

Today’s patch mean the end of the Choo train?

Good patch for us.

FYI – Dark Path is now unblockable

Quick update
JQ: PPT doesn’t matter
BG: PPT doesn’t matter
SOR: PPT doesn’t matter

akamon.2769:

let us all enjoy the last few moments of culling as it stands.

lets… cause then cds/fear zergs won swallow havoc anymore/

Hoots.9564:

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

hex.3218:

Hi everyone. Had fun last night running with TIN on whatever map I was on (dunno, was hard to tell from the bottom of that bottle). Greatest guild ever. EVER.

Just one of many future new guilds we enticed over for a few days with our vast reserves of gold allocated for both recruiting new guilds and server jumpers. It’s the only way we can win.

Good to know someone on JQ understands why they win!

Forum warriors should know better… you’re here enough. TIN, BUGA, ZERG… I wont explain.

change the WvW enemy nameplate mechanic to show the character names imo.

Dont worry about Mesmers… shatters are my weakness too, but that is mostly due to stealth culling which is apparently coming to an end. Running axe/focus, dagger/warhorn makes guardians a waste. Dropping well of darkness traited with chilling darkness when a thief tries to burst makes them easy minus stealth culling as well.