Guild Wars 2

New site looks amazing, can definitely tell that you’ve put a lot of work into this.

The elitism being shown on here by some of the ppt-kittens is quite disgusting, yet they call out the GvG- community for being toxic, oh the irony.

Unless I’ll start earning a salary from playing this game I’m going to continue playing WvW the way I define as fun, and that definition doesn’t involve the ppt-game you lot seem to be worshiping.

By all means, if you enjoy playing that way be my guest, but telling others how they are mean’t to be playing, and basically belittling them for not playing this game the way you want them to, is pretty kittening pathetic.

Nikkinella.8254:

I still think the orb buff is a bad idea in general. Outmanned should have the stat buff and the orb should be a useless MF buff.

This.

The new map changes looks great, the only issue I have is the god kitten stats increase the bloodlust buff will provide.

DevonCarver.5370:

I have said it before and it clearly bears repeating, our focus is on making improvements to WvW as a game type. When we implement changes it is with that goal in mind. We are aware of the GvG scene and we think it is really impressive, but the effects of any of our changes on GvG as it currently exists are not a priority for us. As such, when changes do come in, like the new map, some of them will be a positive for the GvG crowd and some will not. However, none of the changes we make are intended to stamp out GvG nor are they intended to make GvG more popular. When/if we focus our attention on GvG we will do our utmost to make it a game type that fits the needs of as many people as possible. That time is not now.

We are focused on WvW right now and improving it. Please try not to conflate our decisions in regards to WvW as some sort of judgement or endorsement of GvG in any form.

The fact that you will actually go through with such a change (bloodlust buff granting stats increase) just highlights how beyond clueless you really are. People have pointed out why this will have a negative impact, even WvW as a whole will suffer from this one change, the snowballing effect will be immense.

But by all means, don’t listen to the valid feedback you’ve been given from the people actually playing this game, it won’t be the first time you do this, and probably not the last either.

KumaTazZ.8054:

I love this idea, with the new mechanic wvw is not about everyone join map zerg anymore.

If map zerg go cap points = no tower or keep harm.
If map zerg go cap tower = roamers can de-cap points.

The map changes are good, what people are kitten ed about is the unnecessary stat buff, that will guaranteed provide a snowball effect like we had when the orbs were around.

aspirine.6852:

I’m not sure but the server with the biggest team of players is now even harder to fight against?

Correct.

Moon.6371:

Why wouldn`t I be voicing my opinon, these are the WvW forums afaik. That`s my observations after watching countless GvG`s and after having played most of these so called tiptop GvGers myself in smallscale environment, where individual player skills actually matter…. it`s most of the time just pathetic what these guys are able to deliver.

Get PVT, some guards, warris, wellomancers, sprinkle in an ele and a mesmer and you`re good to go for the cyclejerk called GvG. Sadly, there is not much to have a clue about in GvG, that`s the point.

Your guild and BuLL, Tellerion, are actually the only notable exceptions, there are some VcY members, that indeed know how to play. That doesn`t make GvG any more challenging, tho. It`s Baby-PvP for people who are not able to master their classes properly. Yeah, and I`ve met them all on the field, at least the EU ones.

Best regards

Your very much entitled to share your opinion on the matter, however, my point was that the statements you seem to be making differs a lot from the actual reality of things. You even said it yourself that the experience you have is based on having seen some videos and having fought some of these “tiptop GvG’ers” in a small scaled setting. Anyone with basic knowledge about WvW/GvG knows that these guys will be running builds/specs more suited for larger field fights, which makes them vulnerable for people that’s purely built into duels/smaller scaled combat. Small scaled combat differs from larger scale, just because you favor one over the other doesn’t give you the right to badmouth the other, as your experience/knowledge is obviously very much lacking, I for example don’t go about commenting on living story when I know kittenall about the subject.

I’m not by this implying that larger scale fights require the most of each individual, as it’s obviously more room for individuals failing when there’s more people involved, that point we can agree on. But to move fluently as a big group does require practice and a certain degree of skill, thinking otherwise is plain stupid and ignorant.

Moon.6371:

“Ogre has been the voice of the PvP community…” Wait, what? Since when is mindless GvG now called PvP? GvGers follows the same principle as PvE Raiding in other MMOs, follow the lead, spam AE, rely on mass boons from up to 24 allies… Sorry thats`s not PvP, try gain, when you`re capable of focus targeting, assisting, interrupting, communicating key skills, etc pp. You GvG guys amaze every day… an endless stream of tears and whine combined with an absolute deluded ego that`s blind for reality.

GvG is PvP now… seriously?

Best regards.

I suggest that people like you, who obviously have little to no clue regarding GvG, just stops commenting on the matter, as it really shines through how clueless you really are.

Oh well guys, it was fun while it lasted

DevonCarver.5370:

I never said they did. However, I’d argue that they do in fact stand a chance against the 6th ranked server and the 5th ranked server. We are not trying to only ever match you up against your closest comparable server. That was what was happening with the system before and it was bad. If you are saying you don’t ever even want the chance to try and show your skill against a higher ranked server, then I don’t know what to say.

If you actually believe that WvW at it’s current state is skill-depended then I don’t know what to say. Such a statement coming from a dev just shows how clueless you really are about the part of the game your in charge off.

DevonCarver.5370:

We want to make it so that skill is more important than sheer numbers and we have some ideas. None of them are so easy/safe to implement that they are going to happen in the near-term.

You seem to be using the term “skill” pretty often, can you please specify what you mean, as I think my, and many others, view of having “skill” differs a lot from your perspective.

I won’t let Devon forget about this

Kaos.9162:

Seigfried.5938:

However, there will be smaller rewards doled out along the way, and even if you don’t participate in WvW, you could be on the receiving end of some goodies if your server does well.

Anet, WHY would you add something as stupid as this??? This is just another reason for PVE carebears to populate winning servers and do absolutely nothing for it.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we all got rewards for what the PvE players are doing?

Life is unfair

DevonCarver.5370:

Your reward will be based on the server you log into the first time once the season starts. You can transfer as much as you like, but you will still get the reward from that first server.

I wonder what made you guys think that WvW is even remotely ready for something like this in it’s current state.

Anyway, when you announce such a change this early, without taking necessary precautions, you will now see more people stacking up on already filled servers, in order to win and get better rewards the easiest way possible. If anything this game needed it was some encouragement for people to spread out more, not the opposite. This just tells me that you guys are even more clueless than I first thought.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Zanthrax.6538:

Best pvp dodge ive ever seen…..I dont see this game ever getting pvp to a competitive level now….god kittening dammit

Can’t blame him for that, considering how toxic the PvP community is, no offense.

Maybe there’s a valid reason for it being so toxic?

Mif.3471:

So the 2 hour queues on T1 servers will become 5hrs.

I fail to see the difference it will make.

The difference will be the lack of people in the lower tier servers, as the only thing this will encourage is for people to stack on already high-stacked servers, as WvW is purely about coverage.

So basically we are going to see more ghost-town servers such as Vabbi.

Massive server-transferring incoming.

Was that it? …

Doomdesire.9365:

I think this thread being moved was a good idea. The devs, if anything, are hinting at an external GvG arena, such like sPvP(but suited to the GvG community of course). Acknowledging GvG outside of WvW is the first step we need to take to get this GvG arena going.

Make this area the unofficial GvG forum, and we’ll see results.

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but if you actually believe this is the case your in for a massive letdown.

Svarty.8019:

People who want a sterile room with two zergs in it should have nothing to do with WvW.

Also, they shouldn’t be collecting lootbags, badges, exps for killing one another in pre-arranged fights. This seems to be against the spirit of WvW and something I’d expect Arenanet to categorise as exploitation.

Quite possibly the worst argument against GvG’s I’ve seen so far, well done.

Aneu.1748:

pot.6805:

Aneu.1748:

The buff will be stats to the entire map. Once you hold 3 of the 5 objectives your entire map is given that buff. It is zone wide – that is how the orb mechanics work.

Isn’t released yet, hopefully they change it.

They aren’t going to change it.

Can’t say I’m surprised …

To be honest the few glimpses of what we could see from the remade middle area it really looked like a entertaining and refreshing place to PVP in.

There’s probably nothing stopping it from being sieged up into oblivion though … :/

Best reset I’ve had in weeks, thanks for the fun fights on AR border tonight.

Lead.1784:

I actually signed into my forum account, and I never do, because I KNEW there would be a forum thread about this. GvGs aren’t the point. The point is that Anet, you are getting increasingly detached from your most loyal playerbase day by day. The proof was in that stream. I could not BELIEVE how you guys just ignored the people crying out for a GvG mode. You act like they don’t exist and even act like they detracted from the stream somehow….that stream was crap, to be honest, (some Q&A…..seriously) and it’s incredibly insulting to the hardcore guilds that make up the core of WvW the way you simply ignore us, in a stream for the very gamemode most of us play exclusively. I can’t believe how blind you guys are to this cash cow right under your noses. You try to push sPvP like the plague as an esport where a set GvG mode really has the potential to blow up. How can you not see this? There are so many people involved in this GvG scene with absolutely zero support from you lot. Imagine if you showed the slightest bit of support. You keep catering to the lazy PVE crowd, the group of players will be gone to another game the second a new shiny one is out. I don’t think you realize, Anet, how GOOD the pvp in this game really is. There is a reason we started playing this game and still are, the few of us PvP people who are left. Most games don’t have pvp that is as good, as interesting, or as diverse as this game’s, less are MMOs. Even lesser still are still available to play. The siege buffs, especially ACs are completely ruining this aspect of the game. Do you seriously think that all the people trying to get you to stop are all trolls? Believe it or not, whatever sample of the playerbase you have in your testing IS NOT helping WvW. I am trying to tell you. They are not representative of the people who play WvW. That much is obvious. The PvP people play this game to actually play the game and fight other groups of players. All people do anymore is sit in towers with siege, this is NOT the game that we love so much. That is spamming 3 buttons and having them be effective because they hit more targets than anything else, and do more damage than most player groups. How is that rewarding? How does that encourage actually playing the kitten classes in this game? I am telling you this, because when both groups of people move from this game, the PvErs because of a new carrot and the PvP crowd because of horrible support from you guys, you will be left with no one. The PvP crowd will leave in whole guilds and it will be sudden. You will either fix this now or this game is doomed to fail. I sincerely hope you change before you remember this crossroads when it is far too late.

Nailed it.

By the looks of things this will be an interesting week.

Guild Wars 2 ?@GuildWars2 22 t

“Hugh Norfolk will be presenting the new WvW abilities in tomorrow’s livestream at Noon PDT, with a surprise!”

So exciting I might as well just drop it.

I’ve never experienced WvW being so empty(read: dead) as it is right now, most people seem to be having their hands full farming the living story event into oblivion.

Xillllix.3485:

It seems there is a lack of imagination at work here. So much more cool stuff could be done with WvW. Making a ladder that affect siege stats isn’t one of them.

- Suggestions~

I believe it’s all down to the lack of resources allocated towards WvW. Have a look at the content the living story team puts out each second week, that should give you a pretty clear indicator where the most resources are spent.

When they can’t even fix this after 11 months, what does that say about the future of WvW? :/

Aneu.1748:

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

I am exceptionally disappointed to see how narrow-minded and ignorant a developer can become. Rather than supporting an emergent game-play style you respond to this topic with what must be one of the worst possible responses I have seen from you yet.

Let me correct you on your glaringly obvious mistake and possibly educate you in the way you require. World vs World is what the players want it to be, not what it may have been designed for, not what you believe it to be, not what you scream from the top of your lungs what you wish it to be… it is what PLAYERS want it to be. If players didn’t want there to be GvG then guess what? There wouldn’t be GvG but there is a large scene for it now and to what must be your utter disbelief – huge swathes of servers actually have pride in the guilds that represent them in both WvW and GvG.

If you understood the above and actually realised that we, the players who focus on World vs World and want to actually fight other players (not bunker inside keeps), are not happy at all with the way we have been dealt with for quite some time then you may actually begin to build bridges, however with the above statement it is quite obvious that you are oblivious to much of what is occurring in the world of World vs World at the moment (Oh I’m sure you can read your metrics, well done).

You may also wish to understand that with the lack of any direct competition with other games at the moment GW2 does hold dominance in this area but that is not through great support for the WvW community, it is because as I said, there is a dire lack of competition and I can assure you that once said competition comes out you may wish to hold onto your seat because I can assure you that your community will shrink and quite drastically.

I have kept off the forum for quite some time, ever since your complete disaster of implementing Arrowcart changes and so on but I simply couldn’t help myself in responding to this reply. Hopefully you will see the light – I wont hold my breath however.

Yours faithfully,
Aneu

Spot on, couldn’t have put it better myself.

MiLkZz.4789:

I don’t know, how many times people have denied us? We freaking transfered to another server and still people don’t want to GvG us. And these guilds do GvG against others. We can go every day of the week and still they deny. I think these guilds should get named and shamed somehow on the site.

My main issue is that I don’t want GvG to become a chore for people. It’s supposed to be a break from the tedious WvW’ing, and if you feel forced to do GvG’s each week it will soon become exactly that, a chore, and not something we do for the fun of it.

About the guilds denying the requests, that’s entirely their own choice, if they don’t want a challenge then that’s not really my problem or yours. They are the once that will most likely stagnate due to their lack of matches against better guilds. There should however be room for guilds to decline requests without being beheaded thought.

MartyPartys.9187:

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You definitely deserve credit for the fantastic work and effort you’ve put into making that site, you really do.

However I don’t think picking matches for guilds is a very good idea, I would rather keep it as it is today, with the guilds sorting that stuff out on their own.

Quotes you will most likely never encounter in a WvW setting:

“I’m really enjoying playing my burning oil mesmer, the experience is so unique compared to my arrow cart warrior, it feels like a whole new game!”

“I don’t mind the queuetime when I need to relog to a character more suited to fire a trebuchet, during primetime.”

“I’m glad these WXP ranks aren’t account bound so I could see my overall rank, as now
I don’t get confused by which character is my main, as all of them have different ranks and titles.”

DevonCarver.5370:

We will be adding more liquid WXP that will be purchasable, likely with badges and some other currency, soon. As in, less than a month. I’ve made it a personal goal to improve the experience for playing alts in WvW. And to cut it off now, we are not making WvW rank account bound.

I think that this speaks volume about the very few resources that are allocated towards WvW. I imagine that changing WXP into account bound would be a far too resource-demanding task for you guys at this point, therefore you are working around it, by creating liquids and boosters, instead of solving the issue by it’s roots.

I really hope it’s because of the limited resources WvW has available, because surely no one can be that clueless when it comes to the part of the game their in charge off. It has already been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, with valid arguments provided, why changing WXP into account bound would be the ideal solution to this mess.

My eyes hurt

So kittening stupid.

I’ve dropped down to around 80% now, but still I’m matched with/against people that’s top 100 on a regular basis.

Not sure if it’s the matchmaking or the lack of players tbh.

I’ve pretty much given up, the matchmaking is flawed to say the least, seeing how it matches the top rated players together against the rest of the bunch that was unlucky to have signed up at that point.

I call troll on this one.

Korgov.7645:

What kind of match-up system could take into account sudden departure of such a large part of WvW players?

The fact that RoS went down 3 places and dropped -93.560 in rating during their last match-up is a pretty clear indicator that things have happened to the server. (Source: Mos millenium site) Therefore, if the matchmaking was working, you would be put up against the likes of Arborstone, Whiteside ridge, rings of fire etc. and not matched up against a server that is currently 9 places above you. On top of that AG even gained rating during their last match-up, so this makes no sense at all, and it just shows how random the current matchmaking really is.

I think the Aurora Glade – Far Shiverpeaks – Ruins of Surmia match-up just underlines how beyond laughable the current matchmaking system really is, I’d even go as far as say it’s broken, seeing how it doesn’t serve it’s cause.

How can a server(RoS), that has had a mass exodus of WvW guilds/players during the recent match-up, resulting in them losing -93.560 in rating, be matched with a server that is 9 ranks above them? On top of that AG actually gained some rating in their lasts week match-up, 17.907 to be more precise, according to the Mos millenium site.

I thought the whole point of having such a system was to put the different servers in their respective brackets against similar servers, seems I was wrong …

This match-up just shows how flawed their current matchmaking is. I feel sorry for RoS, I really do.

So the vocal majority on here has provided valid arguments of why changing world xp into account bound would be a good change, and a change that would definitely be warm welcomed one. But still Devon & co seems determined to follow their own path, instead of listening to their customers who actually spend countless hours playing this part of the game. We will now see resources spent on adding booster and liquids in order to speed up the process, instead of grabbing the problem by it’s roots, which is world xp being character bound, and not account bound.

Can’t say I’m surprised to be fairly honest.

In my opinion 20 is the ideal number here, with 15 being the minimum and 25 the maximum.

I don’t see why they are doing this to be honest.

The easiest solution would be to make WXP account bound, then they wouldn’t even need to increase the rate of it imo.

DevonCarver.5370:

The WXP boost is to basically everything and should significantly increase the rate at which characters gain ranks.

Why don’t you just make them account based already?

What is the reason for making them character bound in the first place?

Yet another exciting update seen from a WvW point of view …

DevonCarver.5370:

Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes, although the way you get it and hold it is going to be drastically different. Are you going to see a major map change in concert with this? Yes. Is it coming soon? Most definitely.

By soon, do you mean July 2018, when your done adding those extremely useful and game-improving masteries?

They don’t listen to their customers, instead of the obvious thing to do they will give us this:

“World vs. World XP / Point Adjustments: Earning World Experience will be easier for players playing normally in WvW as the WXP rate will be increased across the board. World Ability Points also will be adjusted so that a player’s total points will equal his or her current rank. New characters will start with one Ability Point, and all existing characters will receive one more.”

Really …

Meglobob.8620:

Usual WvW update…nothing…

While it feels like nothing, those very “useful” masteries is something I guess …

Trebuchet Mastery this month, followed up by Golem Mastery next month most likely.