Guild Wars 2

Umm… guys. It’s 8 moths old topic, and author last posts are also from 8 months ago. I wouldn’t wait for any videos or responce from him.

I was opening this topic, ready to read another stupid idea, but… wow O.o

This actually is brilliant! I guess it’d take some more work on details (which we don’t even know about yet), but general idea is very good.

Atherakhia.4086:

You can fix coverage problems by finding some way to reward defending more than attacking. If the few players on could hold onto a few objectives and get more points than the attackers who take a whole map things would even out.

But attackers also can defend the whole map they capped. It still leaves “100vs10”, boring for both sides, and frustating for PPT players who play during prime time and know their work doesn’t matter anyway.

nagymbear.5280:

Also he didn’t claim they are easy, he claimed that the number of baddies has gone up.

Looks like most of ppl in this topic miss this small fact.

Chopps.5047:

This is such an annoying post for me because you have no idea how many times a guardian or warrior has launched foes out of my entangle roots. Yet, only ranger gets the blame for misused CC.

+1

I guess OP meant thing like here on 18:01:
http://youtu.be/qkfnMd3yreg?t=18m
(it’s from 6 months ago)

Yeah, zerk warriors always were joke, no matter what build I used. Maybe once or twice some managed to 100b me while I had all skills on CD during fight with other guy, but I can’t recall any zerk warr being a problem for me 1v1.

@Queen
I also made ranger to use bows (and I actually stick to LB), but just because they don’t work as I/we hoped, it doesn’t mean it’s kitten in PvP. PvP is the strongest side of ranger.
…it’s like ele saying eles sux, cos he made one to use staff, and it’s useless in spvp lol

GW2 is kittenty for archer players, but ranger has other weapons and utilities. Using them don’t stop him from being ranger.

I don’t know how hardcore PvE you play, but I never needed full 15 sec of water field. On the other hand I often got annoyed by it blocking other field, after it got blasted in max 3s after I put it down.

Anything improving LB is good for me, but this idea is one of the least likely to happen imo :P

You guys can laugh, but he actually has a points with this post. I so often see people crying about bugs (forums, game, even IRL), and when I ask if they reported it, they always answer either “surely others did”, or “devs don’t care anyway”. For bugs to be fixed, they need to be reported first, and not many ppl do it.

10:06 and 22:01 is how LB 4. works with piercing

Before speaking about golem survi, did you remember about latest pet/minion hp buff? Maybe you compare pre-buff pets to post-buff golem?
Honest question.

Piedplat.3597:

The push with LB work only with the selected target and not with all the arrow hit. It is a bug? Again?

It works at all targets in line. I tested it yday to be sure.

We don’t know if there will be more wxp abilities resets, but if there will be, could it work in a different way than currently? Right now I’m close to rank 400 and setting all points again is simply annoying. I know it’s nothing big to make screenie (or note them) day before patch and then click few times, but it’d still be very helpful if we could refuse to reset if we are happy with current setting.

ANYTHING that’d allow me to take piercing + eagle eye + remorseless is good for me. I find it sooo stupid I can’t have all traits connected to my weapon at once :/

Piercing arrows works with LB 4.

I don’t know wtf you guys play. I don’t have problems with staying in melee train with GS and in ptv gear. I don’t argue warr or guard are more useful there, but there is sth wrong with you if you “melt” there.

I see such posts every patch since 1 year. Guess what? I will see them for next year at least. Reason? They don’t change anything.

I’m not happy with the lack of attention we get, but I’m not going to do anything about it. When I will get fed up, first thing I’ll do, will be stop reading this forum – it actually is worst part of ranger class for me

Pegaasus.3280:

12) Simply deleting this class becouse it sucks badly.
No devs play ranger and they do admit it.
They have nerfed our pets and our spirits with no reason.
They simply hate rangers and if October15th update is a failure, me and tons of rangers that I personally know ( some of them in real life ) simply will quit the game.
Arenanet is joking with the fire.

Then why don’t you gtfo to other class? I’m happy playing ranger, so saying to delete it, only coz you have problems to reroll to warrior, is, simply said, moronic.

Balance issues are balance issues, but noone is forcing you to play ranger. Leave it for ppl who like it.

I used LB just as example. It apply as well to sword, which has even better dps, blancing trait bonuses.

My point is, against all the “melee is stronger coz reasons” ranger could do very respectable dps from range, comparable even to warriors melee. I don’t say it’s better or even equal, but still far from what ppl try to make us belive on this forum.

And not 1200, but 1000 range for max dmg :p

No HoM, no spider. You can always buy GW1 and get 30 points (iirc), it’s pretty easy.

I just had a brain fart… if warriors axe is 2k dps and rangers LB 1,6k dps (yes, comparing melee to ranged!), that leaves 400 dps difference. 400 is 20% of 1,6k. Our pet is easily 20% of our dmg.
You see what I see? If those numbers are correct, it’d mean ranger with LB and pet isn’t any worse in dps than warrior spamming axe. Ofc, pet dying, keeping distance etc are different topic.

Is it me missing sth, or?

True. And? I stopped playing WoW after few years of top hardcore raiding. I’m not interested in it. And there are some ppl who also aren’t. The nice part of GW2 PvE is that, you can do it with build/weapon you like and still have fun.

Speaking about dmg, I’d like to notice this mesmers numbers also aren’t that impressive.

ilr.9675:

Stice.5204:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Here’s the situation. I play ranger (full berserker gear with LB) and i almost always roam on map (avoiding pve stuff).

I win about 90% of the 1v1 fights, and about 40-50% of 2v1 fights.

I personally consider this unlikely as a full berserker glass cannon longbow ranger matches up quite poorly against many of the popular solo roaming builds.

Agree…. I smell Bs. That or he runs on one of the bottom tier realms

Best roamers I met were in T8

But agree, GC LB simply can’t be that good with all the bunkers. I spent over year making and practicing my LB build and still don’t win 90% of fights :P

Meh, stop with this BS… I made DM title and still do regural arah runs, using only LB/GS build. Melee, zerker gear and all other fancy-numbers-kitten is if you want to farm or make very good times.

This is how hard PvE is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPRFNsBqac8&feature=youtu.be

You can use whatever you want and still easily finish dung.

Only exceptions are very high lvl fractals. I went only up to lvl 34, no problems there, but I guess fotm 48 runs would finally push me to change build.

Care to post some exact numbers? I didn’t do proper tests, but quick play with golems looked promising for LB.

If it was too UP for you to play before, then don’t try it now. Ranger is state of mind, not class you choose based on numbers :P

Solandri.9640:

Except warrior isn’t limited to 900+ range to maintain damage, isn’t rooted in place for 3 sec to get off his highest DPS skill, and with rifle doesn’t even have to do anything except point at the target.

Counting F1 or not? If so, then warr needs to stay rooted :P And then ofc we should add pets.

Speaking about traits, I think (only think, coz I’m too lazy to login now to check) ranger has more traits that work with ranged weapons – including all “+X% dmg when Y”.

I just thought… why to compare ranged and melee dps? As melee is (nearly) always better, ranged is used only in places where its advantages make up for less dps.
So maybe we should look how are ranger LB, SB and axe compared to other classes ranged weapons? I belive we are in decent place there, giving the “unpararelled archers” part some meaning.

There is no reason to make any special build while leveling. Too many things change. On lvl 80 for best dps you should go sword/warhorn. In this game melee always deals more dmg than ranged (ok, mostly).
I’m LB fan myself, but if you want to use it in PvE, better find nice ppl to run with – from what I hear pugs can be problematic (never experienced it myself btw).

+25% run speed isn’t true if you use one of two rune sets with same bonuses. There are no weapon-type specific signets yet, but it doesn’t mean there can’t be.

jcbroe.4329:

This is why in guild wars 1, build templates were lifesavers. Make a group, tell joiners we “need this from you”, ask them to ping their build, and if they didn’t cooperate or weren’t running the requested build/utilities, kick them and find somebody else.

ESPECIALLY for instanced content.

Tbh I hated this part :p I had my build(s) which I knew and mastered, and it was simply breaking fun for me to change build totally for single instance. One of the reasons I ran only with friends, where I always knew what build I’ll have to use.

Don’t care, staying on ranger.

Yes, plox!

+1

If he stood at 1500, he failed not because he wasn’t in melee, but because he needs only 1000, which still gives max dps and also better options to support group.

After few years of hardcore WoW raiding, I’m fully casual here (yes, I do dungs with LB! lol), but ignoring it when your team clearly asks you to do/don’t do sth, is far beyond “playing as I want” imho.

And, as others said, it’s not only ranger issue.

Chellanius.7526:

What exactly is your point with this video? The fact that you put the anti stealth trap on the dead person and stood on him with 5 people and mashed air? (pssst, you want the thief to trigger the trap, not to avoid it). And it didn’t occur to anyone to place the trap on the stairs or above/below the stairs so it’s unavoidable for him?

Some people take situations like this as fun challenges, But there are still people like you, who want everything given to them on a silver platter. With a little cunning and logic that thief wouldn’t survive 1 minute in the tower. If nerfs get done based on the QQing of people like you, I cry for the future of this game and cry for this community.

I played LB ranger before it got any buffs and ran with 30/25 build used by many now. If anyone here is going easy way and “silver platter” thing, it’s thieves.
This video is just one (if you are ineterested, I stared topic in thief forum long time ago about it with more videos). I made it after we lost 30 mins camping dead mesmer in hills.
I don’t have exact quote now, but I’m sure you remember ANet said they don’t give permastealth (like WoW for example), coz it’s not fun. And what do we have now? Just because it takes some refreshing and sometimes appearing for 1 sec 2k range from enemies, it doesn’t make it not perma.
Also, why the kitten do I even need traps to fight 1 guy? If so, I want enemies to be FORCED to use AC to kill ranger.

I discussed it a lot in topic mentioned earlier. Not going to reapeat myself anymore, sry :p

Shh, don’t talk about spear. We don’t want it to be “fixed”.

Why no love for “search” button? There has been pootylion topics about this. And the same arguments in EVERY one.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Why do people play rangers if they do not want pets?

Because Rangers are mostly associated with archers, and with Aragorn, who did NOT have a pet.

+1

Rapid fire is kitten .

@edit
wtf? “4 and half of sec” got cenzored -.-

Class unique skills are F1-F4 thingies. No other class can control pets, other than give them single command. Saying our pets aren’t unique is like saying eles attus aren’t, coz all classes can change weapons (or if you want to play with number of skills, take engis kits). Or maybe warriors adre is sth different than just another way to hit enemy with weapon, but addionaly restricted?
One can easily find hole in anything if one wants…

Some things are OP, but… meh, back to sad reality

Bambula.3649:

even with rapidfire and vul your do better dps with auto atk

You tested it?

After playing ranger for 3 years in GW1 (too lazy and check exact time) and over 2,5k hours in GW2, I disagree with your post.

And I’m also too lazy to even explain why. I did it sooo many times on this forum.

I run LB/GS build over a year now, and belive me, I rarely shoot from less than 1k range Against good enemy it just means that I mostly use GS in fight, but average one can be kept away for big part of fight.

Zanzer.6450:

Terkov.4138:

Calculating longbow on medium range is just wrong. Noone normal would use it this way for longer than few secs before swapping weapon or gaining distance.

Also, I have to agree with Ars. Some weapons are more affected by traits than others (for example LB with remorseless). Skipping traits gives some results, but they aren’t any better than just reading tooltips.

Let’s assume for a second that you could keep the 5% vulnerability up 100% of the time. That would boost long range shot to 1,123 DPS. However, Hunter’s Shot, alone, does significantly less damage than a regular auto-attack. There is some damage loss. The shot also causes you to stop attacking and stealth. There is another damage loss. In the long run, I would argue that this is a detriment to your sustained damage.

5 vuln AND 100% crit And before they boosted LB aa rof, I could easily use hunters shot between aa’s, losing maybe 0,1s. Not sure how it’d look now, coz I don’t use 3. in “rotation” anymore. Stealth also isn’t problem, you just click 1. just after 3. It eats some time, but not full 1 cast. I guess we won’t know exactly until it’s tested :/
And yeah, I forgot to mention rapid fire, but you already did.

You know you compare healing skill to utility? It’s like thief saying his steal + healing seed has longer CD, a lot of rng and is weaker than rangers healing spring

imho just change dmg (this kitten wasted my stealth several times already…) to remove cripple/chill/immob.

Calculating longbow on medium range is just wrong. Noone normal would use it this way for longer than few secs before swapping weapon or gaining distance.

Also, I have to agree with Ars. Some weapons are more affected by traits than others (for example LB with remorseless). Skipping traits gives some results, but they aren’t any better than just reading tooltips.

It’s not fixed, because it’s not considered bug. You can discuss if devs are right or not, but can’t expect them to “fix” sth that’s working as they want.

runeblade.7514:

Signet of the Beastmaster is mostly defensive and Longbow and other weapons that uses marksmanship can use the quickness.

We already have 3 LB traits in MM tree, of which we can use only 2 at once. Before adding any more very good traits for LB builds, we need some merges.

+1

If you don’t want +1, you are posting in wrong topic. I play this class for bows, just like many thieves plays their for stealth (while steal is thief class skill).