Guild Wars 2

+1
Pets can stay, but only as small utility (like guardians virtues), not as big part of class. They are useful, and I wouldn’t want to totally get ride of them, but they are too limiting in group play.

@up
Pets should be utilities, not dmg. Other classes can ignore ‘F’ skills and still deal most of their dps. Also, they don’t lose their class mechanic in first melee train hit.

No matter what skin (just not 8 legged creep -.-’ ) ranged pet making us loved in group play, plz!

I use LB/GS ranger in WvW (roaming, zerging and organized groups). Rank 177 now. Nice to meet you.

GS is my weapon of choice in melee trains in WvW. If it only had something more, that’d make us interesting alternative for heavies… Blast finisher on maul? Some protection proc? Maybe condi removal? Or AoE hard CC? Anything!

Anything that’d make rangers more wanted in GvG is good idea. Giving it 2 sec immob on first hit sounds reasonable imo.

Hi. I read many topics on this forum and asked on /g, but neither gave me clear answer, so I decided to ask

How is staff?
I wanted to give ele a try. My main is ranger (LB/GS) and I like it, but, after 2k hours, I want some change. I’m interested in ele with staff.
What I do in game:
- WvW (raids, pug zergs and small groups)
- PvE (‘normal’ dungs and higher lvl fotm)
- casual s/tPvP for dailies

The only thing I’m sure about, is staff won’t work in s/tPvP and it will work very well in raids, GvGs and pug zergs. What about rest? Would I be forced to keep daggers in my bag in case I want to go flip camps with some friends? If I get attacked when running to zerg from spawn, can I survive to get to friendlies (or maybe even win 1v1 against weak/medicore players)?
And if I decide to swap to daggers for some ‘smaller’ action, will my gear (look down) work, or need another set (I’d prefer not…)?

What I plan to do, is 0/0/0/30/30. Still thinking about last 10 points. PTV armor and PTV or cleric jewelery. No idea about runes or sigil.

Also, I ran LB ranger in its worst times (before any buffs) and I did lvl 30+ fotm, dungeon master, ran in zergs and solo flipped camps and won many 1v1s, so I’m ready for “not the best weapon for such things”.
I just want to know what to expect

Thanks in advance for any opinions, advices etc!

Huh? After last update it’s a bit better. Today some guy tried to walk to sides (he thought he will troll me lol) and I hit 40-50% of shots. Not enough, but on the other side he was out of range, so I still had advantage… and my pet was on the way

Tip: run while shooting. It helps. Not only arrows somehow gets better accuracy, but also you distract enemy.

Anyway, if you meet enemy in 1v1 and he tries to run to sides to avoid arrows then you should be happy – to do it, he has to stay on range and you still deal part of bow dmg + most of pet dmg. It can be annoying, but it’s far from best way to kill bow user.

Play what you like. Every update can turn everything upside down. Unless you like rerolling to/from new best/worst class after every major balance patch…

More on topic: Ranger is fully viable. Playing it alone, I made Dungeon Master and lvl 34 in fractals. I also played few GvG’s and regularly run in both, small and big, organized WvW groups.

Who cares if it’s bug or not? If it isn’t, then instead of saying “plz fix” ppl will say “plz change”.

Zorby.8236:

Why discuss one or a few traits when our entire tree needs a good overhaul anyway?

Why? Other than this one, we only need merge of piercing + eagle eye. Rest is ok.

^agree 100%

/moarletters

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Next-update-may-be-a-ways-off/first#post2409673

elprimo.4398:

Given that we have a debuff of -30% power called pet AI, power based builds are just for trolling IMO.

And yet ranger looks good in DPS tests.

I don’t understand 1 thing. Ppl keep saying “full zerk in WvW”. Are we talking about pugging, blobbing and karma trains, or organized raiding grops and GvG?
If 1st one, then ok.
If 2nd one, then I don’t agree In organized fights (mostly using voip) 1500 vit and tough is minimum imo. Otherwise you are free rally and waste your friends work. There is no “backline”. It’s all just melee trains running through eachother, and everyone who hoped to stay safe in back is dead because he was left away from heavy core. At least that’s GvG meta I experienced.

Some ranger tips that aren’t posted yet:

• When hitting garri WG, traited LB can hit inner cannon (and this cannon can hit your guys too!)
• LB 4. can be used to throw enemies from walls. With some luck to enemy positioning, you can actually throw him from corner, so he falls to you zerg.
• Enemies often forgot about our range (and bonus from being on higher ground), so traited LB can be used to take down siege (ACs, catas).
• GS evade in 1. chain is amazing in melee trains.
• RaO is not for some funny 20 sec of fury… it’s 20 sec of stability!
• Hitting running enemies with Entagle is guaranteed death for them. For some reason many players still didn’t learn to break vines, so if they used their teleports and condi removal while running, they will just stand there waiting to get killed.

They said it months ago. There was no ETA on changes, but ppl lost patience and started calling them liars. I don’t think Dev saying “yes, ranger needs help and we are working on it” would make anyone here happy – ppl would just rage bout them “trolling” us.

And well, wtf I’m still doing here? lol. This forum makes me want to puke.

This kitten again… if they have more numbers, that’s their advantage, not something they should be ashamed of. Everyone has right to “blob” (wtf is this word anyway?), build kittenzylions of ACs or camp EB JP. If you don’t like it, go sPvP or other game, because this is how WvW works.

Win is win (tho it should be more rewarding) and it doesn’t judge the way you won.

I feel bad I have to say it to fellow GH players, but I’m just bored of all the whining you learned from RoS.

Myrmix.5460:

And if you are lucky and fight against someone who can really control his class, you have no chance.
i don’t mean, that you have just bad luck, using a skill at wrong time.
It’s impossible for a ranger to win against other superb played classes, because they got much higher potential in one build, than we ever had in the whole class.

So you say it’s impossible to win against good player as BM bunker? :P
Criticism is good, but don’t go too far, or you will feel weak even if we become most OP class.

@topic
Whatever they’d say, ppl would shout “actions not words” or sth like that. As much as I can’t blame players for not trusting words, I also can’t blame Devs for not wasting time here – we all know it won’t change anything, even if they told us exactly what we want to hear.

I don’t want to defend them too much, but what do you want? If they come here and say they are working on ranger, ppl are unhappy (for obvious reasons). They can’t come and say what they will change in next update. So why bother? They can aswell just don’t post anything, and it will at least make less ppl answer here, so they have easier job watching forum.

There is already topic about it (2 actually), why do you think you are special and need separate topic for you suggestion?
No offence, but it’s just boring.

Didn’t I say 2 motnhs? :P But you know, it doesn’t have to be big – I just want LB buff, and that is only 1 weapon on only 1 class xD

ilr.9675:

Why not try basing it on everytime you apply or remove a condition instead? Or every time you successfully evade an Attack? THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE. Otherwise this class will suck forever

I don’t agree. Instead of saying “our direct dmg sux, go condi” we should look for things that support power builds and synergize with them. Anyway, whatever they’d do with it, it’s stupid to be forced to use GM trait to make minor traits work O.o

No matter how they buff Remorseless, Opening Strike shouldn’t require GM trait to be worth something.

iirc it’s dev who said they won’t do it, but I’m too lazy to search for topic now.

Warrior rifle isn’t better than ranger SB. Good ranger can keep his pet alive in all dungs. And what Chopps said

Zerg? Build-in evade on GS 1. is AMAZING there.

Heals? Who needs heals if we can have passive 600+hp/s regen?

And btw. why do you make this topic anyway? It’s like if I went to ele forum now and made topic “I won’t make ele, coz I have to click much more and still 100b warrior makes better dps”. WTF?!

But then he’d compare pure weapons. Class isn’t just weapon, but also traits and how they work in specific combinations. One of few advantages ranger has over warrior, is having crit dmg in precision tree, while warrior has to put points in last tree, that gives lame bonus to burst skill. Also, I may be wrong, but ranger seems to be most postioning-based class: flanking bonus from traits and on SB, range bonus on LB, hp>90% bonus from traits, full endurance bonus from traits.

One more thing about warriors: they have crit dmg in last tree and this is not excuse, this is their weakness. They can’t have maxed prec, power and crit trees, just as ranger can’t have max pet dmg and max own dmg.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Terkov.4138:

Interesting. Numbers would change a bit if you used optimal skill “rotation” – GS and LB for ranger would be better, but also other classes would benefit on some weapons. Also, I takie it those numbers are without pet? (they are close to what I remmber from my tests). If so, adding cat (whos AA didn’t get nerf!) would boost ranger nicely.
Still, I love when ppl actually do something and not just “my dmg seems lower than yday, they ninja nerfed me by 9000%!”

Also, thing to remember: there is no auto attack in GW2. It is just another skill, that has no CD and is set on auto cast by default – you can mark any other skill to be “AA”.

Sorry but yes the time to kill would decrease if you used skills on a ranger, but that would mean using 100b on the warrior. I don’t really think you want that in your comparison. It would just make it painfully obvious how far behind rangers are.

To go ahead and preempt the whole “you are just a complaining ranger” my main is actually guardian. You are welcome to check my posts in that forum. My second two would be warrior, and thief. I can’t even bring myself to finish my ranger.

This will probably kitten people off in this forum but to me rangers are just free bags right now. Oh and as a nonzerker guardian my AA will crit for a quarter of your life easily. Not that I care because if you ever get get a chance to AA then you are doing something wrong.

Huh? With my 1800 toughness and 1500 vit even GS warrior doesn’t hit that much with AA, so gg. Not to mention, if guardian isn’t speced for movement, I can just run in circles and he will hit me only with his gap closers. My only alt is guardian, so I have some idea about them.
About kill times: wtf do you want? I clearly said “but other classes would benefit on some weapons”. I don’t know what you like on guardian forums, but here we like REAL data, so I don’t mind “painfull” info.

Interesting. Numbers would change a bit if you used optimal skill “rotation” – GS and LB for ranger would be better, but also other classes would benefit on some weapons. Also, I takie it those numbers are without pet? (they are close to what I remmber from my tests). If so, adding cat (whos AA didn’t get nerf!) would boost ranger nicely.
Still, I love when ppl actually do something and not just “my dmg seems lower than yday, they ninja nerfed me by 9000%!”

Also, thing to remember: there is no auto attack in GW2. It is just another skill, that has no CD and is set on auto cast by default – you can mark any other skill to be “AA”.

If I ever went bersekrer gear, it’d be only with sword+wh for dungs.

Yes, melee weapons do more dmg than ranged ones. Welcome to “risk vs reward” logic.

I guess ppl who say GS doesn’t fit ranger never played BG O.o If not the fact I wanted to make archer, I’d run with GS and pray to ANet for hamster pet.

I don’t know anything lol

Just seeing how small balance team is (2 ppl iirc?) and how they once decided to wait 2 months, I think it will stay like that… ofc, I’d prefer it to be earlier.

Last time we had 2 months break between balance updates. I’m afraid it will be the 2 moths again :/

Tellerion.8102:

DevonCarver.5370:

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This thread was purely made out of frustration, it’s already become fairly obvious where you intend to take this part of the game.

If it’s so obvious, then why do you still waste time here?

Rufy.6093:

GC/LB as that is what I normally run. Been trying axe instead of LB in spvp and it seems better to me. As far as your video, I don’t see what zerge fights and idiotic players proves? A good warrior will stun lock you and kill you in 2 seconds.. a mesmer will dwindle you down and out do you. A necro will rip you apart. I ganked some weak players as well, doesn’t make my class good.

I showed video, you just keep writting. I guess I’m unlucky then, coz I met maybe few “good warriors” and they still couldn’t kill me. Atm it’s me stunlocking them (3 KDs + fear from pets alone).

Rufy.6093:

Are you fricon kidding me? How do you hit anything in wvw with a ranger? Everyone has some sort of evade, survival skill, and as a glass they come up to you, lock you down and you’re dead. in 1 combo. I don’t know if you people are full of bull or what, but there is no way you will kill anything with half a brain as a ranger.

Are you speaking about GC ranger or in general?
If 2nd…
Maybe you do it wrong? Movie in my sig proves I can kill ppl. Now I want to see counterargument.

hyjaxxx.1584:

They need to offer a pet that would match the “no pet” option people want. Maybe a ferret that sits on your shoulder and offers buffs rather then attacks.

that way they dont have to add a “no pet” mechanic they can just do this and have abilities like

1- Hunters agility-50% on dodge roll to apply 4 seconds of stability
2- Face Rake- 5% on hit to cause 2 second Blind. (15 second cool down)

something to this effect – Keep in mind , this pet cannot attack at all. But can still be used for guard,protect me, but shouts like Sik em! could affect the Ranger instead.

just an off the cuff answer to a new pet and the people who want no pet.

Jaxx.

Yes, plz ^^

UrMom.4205:

steam minotaur, f2 as op said cloud of smoke that grants a couple seconds of stealth…i’d be all for this lol

It’s enough if it’d be smoke field, so we could leap with sword or GS to gain stealth.

I run LB/GS 30/25/15/0/0. You can see how earlier versions of this build worked in link in my sig.

I’m too lazy to search for them now. In short: AoE reduction isn’t an option, coz rangers would solo dungs too easy. Hitting moving targets isn’t problem because they don’t want us to, but because of way it works or sth (don’t remember good now).

elprimo.4398:

Not until the fix the existing ones.

So we will never get new ones? I’d rather have more broken pets, than no new pets and still broken old ones :p

Did you even bother to search forum for such suggestions? Most of it was posted more than once or twice… also, Devs answered to some of it (like why no AoE reduction or problems with hitting when moving).

Abrilete.1439:

Wow, looks like with each patch we have MORE BUGS, instead of less bugs. I’ve tried to keep calm™ since beta, but I’m starting to get very angry…

Do they (ANet) really think they can push that 2-week-updated-content without completely breaking the game?

Go and test before saying anything?

As mentioned post before, heals and cnd ticks don’t show. No idea if it’s intended or not. Anyone can check on mesmer or necro minions?

Hits are nice, but I’d never go GC in WvW, unless I wanted to make some numbers for lulz. Also, tentacles on Maw have some stupidly low armor.
Still, nice to see ppl keep thinking, not just saying “meta is what it is, there are no more builds for rangers”.

Soon someone will jump in, tell you to turn off autoattack and shout “L2P!”

I don’t use sword too much, but I agree it should be changed.

I think ranger needs some specific role, that will make him wanted in some groups. Incoming (hopefully…) change to LB is good chance to make it. Considering LB “feeling” and what other classes already do, I think it should go into high single target burst. I’d love LB ranger to be known as a build that is meant to burst down enemy casters or commanders
In most games I played (and I always play archers :p ) bows are mostly single target weapons. They have some AoE options, but that’s not what they are for. I hope Devs think same about rangers bows.

Puandro.3245:

Default 1,500 range, LOL i want what you guys are smoking.

They could give us that and change Eagle Eye into something other, like SB range.

Yup, it was nerf.

But on the other hand, Wolf F2 casting time reducted from 3s to 1,5s or massive survi boost to all pets was buff, and ppl keep forgetting about it.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Also to be honest axes are really more of a range weapon on the ranger. And again ranger doesn’t mean archer.

Offtop, but…

And again, ranger is closest to archer. Just as ppl interested in mages went to ele, ppl interested in archers went to rangers. And you can’t blame them for trying to build character around one/two of weapon he has available.

The bleeds on GS are useless for power build and are not enough to make it condi weapon. I’d rather have them really buff LB, not add another useless kitten :p

Huh? Even if I fail and stand in place whole 100b, I always survive it.

It’s been some time since I used SB…

Falnking also counts hits from sides. Usually I managed to get bleeds on enemy if we ran in circle shooting at eachother.