Hi. Seeing ANet is interested in WvW, I’d like to start this topic
First quetion: why? Sometimes I spend 1h to get some tower ready, spending money and time, and in reward it becomes my prison – refreshing it is a pain and I can’t always count on others to do it. Is it to save server space or something? If so, how does it work if all get refreshed anyway?
What about other options? Longer duration for superior siege? Longer duration in general? Or maybe siege limit is enough?
And why would GW2 be unhackable? Even in WoW there are hackers. You don’t see them much, coz they get banned fast and ppl don’t want to waste account they pay for. Best example can be teleporting to glags in WSG.
What all of this convo have to do with drakes F2 and ranger AoE dmg?
Tread spoiled, ill open new one soon.
If there are mods here, this tread is for recycle bin.
Topic says “wvw and ranger. Organised grp play” and that’s what they are discussing. It’s a kind of answer to your points about aoe and drakes – they are trying to show other things ranger can do to “balance” it.
Utilities I thought about are spike & flame trap + 25% run signet. I’m addict, can’t run without signet >.>
I’m looking at it, and it’s getting more and more tempting, I’d gain so much survi, both passive and active.
One more thing: sometimes I like to do few FotM runs (lvls 30+). LB surely isn’t good there, but would SB trapper be any better?
Hey guys.
I’m playing mostly WvW and I’m using LB. Lately I got a little bored with running in zergs and I’m flipping camps alone or in small groups. I thought to change my build to trapper (20/30/20/0/0, rabid/carrion, SB). I’m using this build in sPvP and I love it, but will it work in WvW? And how would it work in sieges or ZvZ if I’ll need to go there?
I’d just test it myself, but buying whole set is a bit too much for me atm
Also, I wanted to keep my LB on swap. With low power it won’t do much dmg, but I guess barrage will still be useful to AoE siege on wall (do traps deal dmg to it?)
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F2 skills CD doesn’t reset on pet swap since last patch.
Oh rly? Then what is “not-soft” AoE? Barrage has good dmg (not imba, but still good), cripple that helps to keep targets inside and big radious, that is very helpful when using it on walls.
You can dodge easily any ground targetted AoE, and LB 5. isn’t any “worse” in this matter.
Also, most ppl don’t know if it’s barrage or AC shooting at them.
Yeah, coz dmg is everything… I can’t count how many times I downed stealthed players by using LB 2. just before they went invisible.
Dodgin out of 5.? I play mostly WvW, and with all the AoE there, I’m fine if someone dodges my attack, coz it means he jumed into another AoE.
LB 4. can be used to take players down from wall, even when you are under them. Just need some positioning and luck to them standing in right spot. Situational, but worth mentioning. Tbh, 1500 range alone makes LB far superior in any siege or zerg vs zerg for me. LB 1. can crit even 4k on glass cannons (not uplvl’d), when I’m not GC.
Sure, I’d love LB to be also great weapon for 1v1, but life isn’t that beautiful :p And ofc some buff wouldn’t hurt.
Aoe dmg recuction wouldn’t work in WvW anyway.
All piercing ranged skills, most melee swings – nearly all attacks are AoE in some way, so there are 2 options:
a) Give pet reduced dmg from everything that hits more than 1 target = pets totally OP, coz noone can actually kill them.
b) Limit reduction to ground targetted AoE = no real effect in WvW, as pets still would die from running in crossfire.Idk about dungs. I use ranged pets there and they can survive more than some players… :P
And why should you be able to kill pets to begin with, when they are the built in portion of the ranger’s damage? So if a warrior takes a certain amount of damage, should he lose 30-40% of his damage for 45 seconds?
Pets NEED to melee, unless you use ranged pets, whose projectiles are slow and damage is really bad.
Warrior does 100% of dmg or 0% of dmg – depending if he can attack or is forced to kite/dodge. Thanks to pet, ranger can do part of his dmg nearly always (in theory).
Devouers dmg bad? If you compare everything to cats or birds, then gl.
I thought about it too… but on the other hand we can go tanky and use high dmg pets.
But tbh I think there are bigger issues (like pet standing in red circles or F2 delay), coz we don’t have new tiers of gear added all the time. I have best gear now and imo my pets dmg is still too high xD (compared to mine).
Aoe dmg recuction wouldn’t work in WvW anyway.
All piercing ranged skills, most melee swings – nearly all attacks are AoE in some way, so there are 2 options:
a) Give pet reduced dmg from everything that hits more than 1 target = pets totally OP, coz noone can actually kill them.
b) Limit reduction to ground targetted AoE = no real effect in WvW, as pets still would die from running in crossfire.
Idk about dungs. I use ranged pets there and they can survive more than some players… :P
I’m 20 and I love this game.
I’m playing mostly WvW and I’m happy with my LB ranger there. 1500 range, piercing arrows, sigil of fire and LB 5. make running in zerg a pleasure. It gets harder when I run solo to hunt dollies or flip camps, but with GS on swap I can run from most bigger groups (if I see them comming soon enough :p ) and I also win often in 1v1 – ppl totally underestimate LB rangers. 100b warrs or HS spamming thieves can be killed without taking dmg. But I won’t lie: when you meet a good thief/mes/ele, you don’t stand a chance with LB. Guardians and engis can be pain, but I think I never lost a 1v1 with them.
Some ppl here can have other experience. I just say what I know after over 1k hours on ranger, most of it in WvW. Most important thing imo: if you play something long enough, you can actually do pretty good, no matter how kittenty build or class is (unless you meet someone also experienced with their class
).
Why don’t we have crossbows? Because the game world already developed guns and only keeps bow around for the better effective range and the modified arrows. Crossbows are just sub-par pistols.
There are rifles and some still run in plate armors… don’t try to mix reality into game world
Imo 1h crossbow fits mroe for thief, but 2h one could make decent weapon for ranger. But on the other hand, it’d need to be slow and long range weapon, and LB already fills this role.
Mine is like as weak as it was before.
I’d never say ranger is weak or sth if I didn’t read forums. You know what I mean
I think this is actually really important, because you get a lot of people who say that they feel perfectly fine and useful on their rangers because they haven’t played anything else and don’t have the perspective necessary to see how much less effective they are. You go into a dungeon, you do do damage that seems pretty good by your own metrics, and get excited when you help out your team with healing spring. What you can’t really see is how much more everybody else is doing. How much less they have to sacrifice to be on par or exceed what you can offer.
Agree, but there is also opposite thing: ppl who never learned to play ranger and compare it to classes they know better or that are easier to play. I’m not saying ranger is “fine”, but it surely isn’t as broken, as some ppl say.
I’d never say ranger is weak or sth if I didn’t read forums. You know what I mean
I’m playing ranger since headstart, I played ranger in GW1 and I played archer-guys in all games. I’m not going to reroll, becasue nothing changed. Outside of some P2W asian MMOs I never saw a game that didn’t get some class fixed after some time. Be it year or two, I can wait, coz ranger IS fun for me.
Rerolling other character everytime your old main gets nerfed? In GW1 it’d mean every balance changes, so no thx. Also, some ppl like to have 1 char and play only on it, so moving because it’s weak/broken/hard/whatever at this moment, is bad idea in internet game.
Hi.
Today when doing my daily sPvP I saw sth strange: 4 rangers in my team and 2 in enemy (the number of rangers is strange too, but it’s another topic :p ) and they all used spiders. Has something changed? I thought most ppl use wolves as CC pets.
I have to admit, it actually gave me some hope, as I like ranged pets, but wolves seems to be simply better in WvW than spiders (small grp fights and 1v1’s).
What do you think?
Yesterday, 9(!!!!) of my friends left the game because of the nerfs.
I’m still here and fighting against their own stupidity.
2 options:
a) they all were rangers – so, friend rangers is pretty much, so it was a lie all rerolled after previous patches.
b) they player other classes – in this case they were lost already. Everyone who played GW1 will confirm that, it’s neverendning circle of nerfing and buffing.
I made legendary LB and bought commander on ranger. Don’t regret it (yet).
I have some problems with adapting build to quickness nerf and maybe I’ll finally make an alt, but surely ranger will stay my main.
Hi.
I was torn between rifle warrior and ranger since beginning, and now, after no fixes to ranger LB, I’m even more eager to try warrior.
The problem is, ppl tell me rifle warrior isn’t any good :/ I’m playing WvW + dungs (fotm included), and I’d aim for build and gear that’d work in both. Should I even bother? From what I remember from trying rifle in sPvP, I felt I had no way to avoid dmg as I did on my ranger, and passive hp/armor of warr wasn’t enough.
Can you guys give my some advices and tell if it’s even worth trying?
LB3 (weakness + vulnerability from opening strike),
Weakness?
My LB still works.
Any idea if putting 5 points into BM tree just for this trait is still worth it? I mean, quickness isn’t that good anymore and I really could use free 5 points…
Because a nerf to Mesmers is a buff to Rangers? Ok.
It’s about how you are comapred to others, because numbers alone doesn’t mean anything.
As I said, I’m happy with changes. The only thing I want is MORE of them
For now this tag in GW2 belongs to completely incompetent and inadequate people (I mean current leaders in GW2). You should not be deceived by the name of this tag and personally I wouldn’t recommend to count on this guild.
Their main problem is lack of communication with existing communities. I think it would be best if they went somewhere that didn’t have one, in order to avoid another situation like this.
I beg you not to write in this thread because your PvE guild focused
The fact you don’t even know what guild is PvE and what is WvW focused, just proves points of your lack of communication with existing GH community.
Still, it’s shame you go, as you had SOME ppl I liked. Well, gl and hf, it’s just a game after all
Not bad, but I still want some buff for LB
Do you think it’s still worth to put 5 points into BM just for quickness on swap?
I’m pretty sure the most common way for people to get out of it is by cond. removal.
I didn’t know that you were able to directly walk out of it inbetween pulses, that would be a neat trick to master.To practice!
I always do it, or swap to melee weapon to destroy it. Still, it’s best elite I have in WvW – if enemy doesn’t have some skill to get out, he nearly never destroys it. Soooo often I meet ppl just standing in it while I kill them from distance
Prepare for all the “they better fix pets first” comments
Personally, I really like the idea. Not this exact form, but general idea of “building” our pets.
Actually, devouers dps is rather good, especially considering it’s easy to keep them on tagrget nearly 100% time.
I tried using the fact it’s aoe agaist enemy zergs… didn’t go as planned. I’d -love- to use pigs, but I wolves seems just so much better :/
Also, the items you pick up barely lasts 15 seconds at best, so you gotta use them almost right away. Which is kinda annoying… should last atleast as long as CD
I tested it, and both stealth items stayed in my hands for 30 sec.
I expected it’s good idea to save my badges until this update
1,5k+ now
Retreat is useful…. but i hate it, devouers don’t have prio on KD – can’t use swap to save me from stomping like wolves
There were some topics about pigs, one included full list of F2 items and what pig gives what items. I tested pigs as WvW pets, my results: F2 is not realiable enough (need to pick it up and it’s too random) and their KD is missing too much compared to wolves.
LB 4. is great skill. I use it to interrupt enemies finishing my allies, to throw enemies off cliffs/bridges (also can throw them from wall to your zerg in some specific positions), to interrupt enemies on walls casting meteor shower etc, to throw away siege users (good to take away pressure from allies), to stop enemies running into besieged tower, to make a gap AND KD melees attacking me.
It’s actually one of the best skills we have…
I had the same situation in the same place (just other enemies :P ). They even killed my pet, but it kept rezing me. After I got up and I get downed again the same thing happened – they killed my pet when it was rezing me, but it didn’t stop.
So, the only “right” legendary is black, burning <weapon type> of doooooom, that shoots acid and has fangs, thorns etc?
I’m male (and rather “manly” one in matters of look). I have Kudzu and I think it’s beautiful. Exactly this word. When you have it in hands, there are little orbs (or leaves? Not sure) flying from it, like with the wind. It’s just pretty. Not crappy, plastic, gigantic weapon that looks like toy.
About projectiles: they are gold and have unique sound. After shoot, there is something, like petals, falling from the way where arrow flied.
Btw. what’s wrong with flowers? Plant is plant. I don’t see ppl hating on sylvari…
Sometimes I wonder, why don’t ppl eat hamsters alive and kill kittens, just becausethey are too “cute and girly” for them.
On the other hand I have to agree on The Dreamer – as much as I like skin, I couldn’t stand shooting unicorns.
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Um, for bows for example? Thieves SB shoots some funny spirals and warriors LB feels more like granade launcher than precise long range weapon.
Chain would be cool, but afaik there is no chained ranged attack, so I don’t think they’d make exception for us.
Remove distance req, change dmg… do what you want. But DON’T touch fire rate. I like full animation, when character moves hand to quiver. It’s (should be) slow firing and hard hitting weapon, so don’t make it 2nd shortbow.
. This bow is used by other classes as well as rangers.
By warriors, mostly with burning dmg
I don’t mind p/t/v stats, as I have soldier/berserk mix, so I just had to replace some other pieces of gear to balance stats after I made Kudzu. Still, I think we should be able to choose stats on legendary. And yes, you can change sigil.
Jaguar stealth effected the ranger as wel.. uuuh that would be sooo freakin sweeet.. drewl
If it was trait, I’d even got into BM tree for it O.o
Whew, ton of post in here, but I have a question. What was the issue with reducing overall pet damage, and slightly boosting ranger damage so it wouldn’t be that big of a blow to the ranger whenever a pet got killed due to certain situations.? That seems like a simple solution to me, but maybe it’s not.
I know it was probably answered, but hard to find among all these most, lol.
Yeah, that’d be good. But I they had some reasons to don’t do it.
Because its not a perk its a defining feature. If you removed pets (temperally or permentantly) what would be the rangers defining mechanism.
Weak argument. Defining feature? What, warriors have 1 addional skill and even can trait to don’t use it. Guardians have 3 skills that are great passives. Most necros use DS as addional hp bar. Why our “feature” is 30-40% of our dmg, can die and is hardest one to use?
It is what it is I didn’t design the game. It has been like that since beta. I know alot of you come from WOW where if you didnt what to do something or didnt like the way something looked you could mod it or use a script. Accept the reality of what the ranger is/isn’t and based on that decide if you want to continue to play one.
Understand somethings are core and wont change easily.
No, I’m from GW1, where it was normal they turned a class upside down in 1 path. As I stated in other topics, there are other solutions – support pets etc.
Because its not a perk its a defining feature. If you removed pets (temperally or permentantly) what would be the rangers defining mechanism.
Weak argument. Defining feature? What, warriors have 1 addional skill and even can trait to don’t use it. Guardians have 3 skills that are great passives. Most necros use DS as addional hp bar. Why our “feature” is 30-40% of our dmg, can die and is hardest one to use?